It really is the new conversion therapy

submitted by Constantine from self.LGBDropTheT

Okay, so I just watched the movie "The Miseducation of Cameron Post" for the first time. Highly recommend, by the way, it's a great film. But anyway, it's about a teenage girl who gets caught with another girl and sent to gay conversion camp for nearly a year.

And throughout the entire film, I couldn't even believe how much of the same language these people at the camp were using that TRA people use today. I watched a similar film, "Boy Erased," not too long ago, but this was much more pronounced.

When first getting to the camp, the kids have to make this thing called an "iceberg" that's supposed to explain why they have same-sex attraction. And over and over again when filling these things out, the leaders tell them to write down anything that gave them "gender confusion" in their childhoods. So basically, these "icebergs" are covered in gender stereotypes. The boys spent too much time doing housework with their moms, the girls watched sports with their dads or played sports in school. The only sport they're allowed to participate in at the camp is hiking since it's the "only gender neutral sport." There's an emphasis on the kids' hairstyles and making sure they're appropriately masculine and feminine.

And then in one scene, the characters gang up on the main character and tell her that she's not making the camp a "safe space." And when the main character pushes back on this, she's told "not to invalidate others' feelings by expressing disagreement."

Anyway, I didn't go into this movie expecting to see anything about the TRA movement in it at all, but I was just blown away by all the similarities. Gender ideology is really good old evangelical homophobia dressed up to look woke. They even use a lot of the same language, and the mentality is definitely the same. And much like a lot of TRAs, I really got the sense that the people running the camp weren't bad people, they were just trying to help in the only way they knew how. And most of them were victims themselves.

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[–]julesburm1891 49 insightful - 2 fun49 insightful - 1 fun50 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I actually had to go to therapy sessions with our church’s preacher when my parents found out I was a lesbian. I can confirm that TRA rhetoric is the same thing. They’ve just changed everything from being about hurting Jesus’ feelings to hurting trans people’s feelings.

[–]SeahorseLTHarold, they're lesbians! 28 insightful - 10 fun28 insightful - 9 fun29 insightful - 10 fun -  (8 children)

Just wait, they'll transwash Jesus, too.

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 23 insightful - 13 fun23 insightful - 12 fun24 insightful - 13 fun -  (2 children)

I don't remember any depictions of Jesus with short hair and pants.

[–]SeahorseLTHarold, they're lesbians! 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Let's not give them ideas, lol

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

XD

[–]Lesbianese⚢ 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Seen it already. https://archive.vn/5rS29 - "Jesus: The First Transgender Man"

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh. My. Fuck. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BIBLE MEANT

First off, the "cloning" of Eve from Adam would have involved the replacement of that Y chromosome with another X, otherwise Eve would've had a penis, not to mention the fact that if their DNA were otherwise identical, even with the last chromosome being the opposite, they likely would not have been able to have fertile offspring. Inbreeding is already bad, and there has never been a case of a man and woman having near identical DNA like Adam and Eve would've.

And on Jesus, "born of her flesh" means that he was carried in her womb, I'm completely sure there are dozens of examples in the bible of people "being born of their mother's flesh" without motherfucking cloning

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, he DOES have long hair and often wears a dress.

[–]NiceDickBro 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I hear that Jesus had a beautiful masculine vagina

[–]BiteYourTongues 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well of course, he had long hair and wore a dress so for sure he was trans. /s

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it is plain old conservative homophobia, just under the different cover. Even rhetorics are word to word the same, I've already was writting this in debates with libfems and QT in /s/GCdebatesQT - that they are answering to me with exactly same phrases word to word as conservative homophobes who were beating the shit out of me and firing from job for me being lesbian and not wanting the dick.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When it comes down to it they're both homophobia. I can't beleive so many people aren't making the connection.

[–]Treeofthoughts 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The rhetoric used from the gender side of the debate is so very similar to that used by the Christian Right. That we are disordered fetishists who can learn the right kind of sexuality.

I do agree with you. The saddest thing is that like that camp the people who are promoting and causing these harms I suspect many in the gender debate are a combination of misguidedly trying to do good as well as people who are actually the most victimised by it.

It’s all really damaging, the worst part is it’s from within our “church” rather than from being done to us by an external force. It’s the biggest reason I think the LGB and the T need to go our separate ways. So we can return to the message that it’s ok to be gay, lesbian or bisexual, and that we don’t need to and can’t change.

Also it’s a great film. I’ve yet to see boy erased.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A good friend of mine was sent to the state mental institution when she was in her teens, for being same sex attracted. This would have been in the late 70's maybe? She's still a lesbian.

[–]les4leshomonormative 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I rewatched that movie yesterday haha. small world

Anyway yeah. It's a good movie. I think a lot of people don't have any idea what conversion therapy is like or how it works, it was definitely eye-opening to me (and made me feel pretty sick to my stomach lol.) The book is good as well since it's more in depth. It's the business of making young gay people hate themselves dressed up as a Bible camp and it's taken a completely different face than the horror shows I think most people would imagine

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! I will give it a look. I have been trying to read more about how conversion therapy works, and this sounds like a useful resource.