Heterophobia/bias against straight people?

submitted by BiHorror from self.LGBDropTheT

Has any other LGB witness it and if so: what is your reaction to it? Do you call it out, think it's "justified," etc? Agree with it? Disagree with it? Neutral?

Personally, I think it is hypocritical. Alongside the fact... You're making fun of the majority who we 100% need allies from. Not only that but no one should be treated like shit just because of what some others in the same group did. Past or present. This type of shit is, for most part, always left off the hook but if the roles were in reverse... We all know damn well just what would happen. There would be an absolute shitstorm.

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’ve never witnessed it in real life, but when people have talked about it I highlighted my opposition to anti-straight sentiment. I don’t consider keeping gay spaces gay to be anti-straight, but saying you want to beat up straight people or screw them over with affirmative action policies makes me angry. Not just because it hurts our cause, but also because it’s nasty to be cruel to people because of their sexual orientations. If a gay or bisexual person wants to hate on straight people, I’m not going to change his mind, but I am going to stand up for anyone who he’s nasty to, I am going to speak my mind if he drags me into a debate, and I am also never going to be friends with a miserable person like him.

I will also add that I am against "cisphobia', in other words, hatred against normal people. I’m against misogyny and misandry. I’m against racism against any race.

[–]BiHorror[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% agree with your comment. It's weird how you can be discriminatory towards x group but they cannot be right back (or even if they're not being discriminatory and just standing up for themselves) without a shitstorm happening.

It doesn't help when some would look at that then decide that homo/biphobia is then justifiable because of it. Lol, when you make your opposition known, ever been considered a bootlicker or similar? It's pretty funny, when they pull stuff like that. Esp the times when they don't know you weren't straight.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What a completely radical, bigoted, extreme point of view!

[–]cinnaflo 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In real life no, but online, yes. Mainly in TRA/libfem circles. Generally I don't care, but nowadays it's been beaten to death to the point that its become obnoxious and cringey. Stuff like that just leads to straight people to thinking that they have to identify as a pansexual biromantic fluid or else they're a close minded bigot.

[–]BiHorror[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mainly in TRA/libfem circles.

My experience is kinda different, I have seen it in both TRA/Libfem and RadFem circles (misandry added to it sometimes).

Stuff like that just leads to straight people to thinking that they have to identify as a pansexual biromantic fluid or else they're a close minded bigot.

Basically or that being straight is somehow "boring."

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen it in this sub and promptly reported it because it is 100% hypocritical, shortsighted, and just stupid to attempt to alienate all straight people for being straight. No one should be punished for the sins of their forefathers/mothers, especially if it wasn't even their ancestors that were responsible. To hate straight people because "they're homophopbic" is the most rediculous thing any actual victim of bigotry can do because real victims of bigotry should know better than anyone that it is wrong to hold predjudice against someone for something that they cannot control and are not responsible for.

I have been fortunate enough to not have suffered from homophobia because of various factors, but I have seen the remnants of that ideal in some people. Those people who barely hold onto those ideals should be our greatest focus to gain allies because they are our greatest threat, but also the greatest potential to show active homophobes that they're wrong and alone. Hating straight people only fuels hatred for us. We are in no position to attempt irradication of anyone, so anyone ourt there that wants to make homosexuality the dominant sexuality is not only evil but stupid.

Hate the homophobes, hate the homophobia, but never hate anyone who has done nothing wrong. And those that were raised to be bigoted but have potential to be saved should be treated with respect to show them that those ideals are wrong, that homo (and bi) sexuals are not anything to be hated or feared, and that mutual respect is possible with equal rights not only under the law, but also equal treatment in society.

[–]BiHorror[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one should be punished for the sins of their forefathers/mothers, especially if it wasn't even their ancestors that were responsible.

Yep! Not only is it present in some aspects of LGB, but there's also other minority groups that do this. For example, I'm mixed race, and in both of sides of my parents' cultures, people make fun of white people, they can get away with it (doesn't help that racism is defined by the whole "power+prejudice" definition now) and it's like ??? Because they're supposedly "racist" despite not having said or done anything.

Hating straight people only fuels hatred for us. We are in no position to attempt irradication of anyone.

I don't get how some don't see that then do act surprise when potential-allies-turned-homo/biphobic attacks them (note: not justified but it's not surprising when you keep on pushing and pushing until eventually they crack).

Hate the homophobes, hate the homophobia, but never hate anyone who has done nothing wrong. And those that were raised to be bigoted but have potential to be saved should be treated with respect to show them that those ideals are wrong, that homo (and bi) sexuals are not anything to be hated or feared, and that mutual respect is possible with equal rights not only under the law, but also equal treatment in society.

100% agree.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm (thankfully) not aware of any instances myself, but I am prepared to believe there are segments of the Tumblrverse where it happens.

But I tend to be of the opinion that discrimination in all its forms is wrong.wow hot take. Whether that's 'I hate wypipo' or 'Down with Cis' or 'String up the Jews' or what have you. People should be treated as individuals. Dislike or disagreement with individual white people / 'cis' people / Jews is fine and to be expected, but tarring everyone with the same brush is, in general, not cool.

This is something I struggle to remind myself when I read about trans bullshit. I don't know any trans people in real life but I like to think I would give them the benefit of the doubt, and would only judge them based on their behaviour rather than their 'identity'.

But you know, I'm not Jesus, I'm as susceptible to bigotry and judgement as the next person.

[–]BiHorror[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but I am prepared to believe there are segments of the Tumblrverse where it happens.

Unfortunately, I have seen it outside of just tumblr. Ex being places like Twitter and YouTube, but not surprising. Esp the 1st one.

But I tend to be of the opinion that discrimination in all its forms is wrong.wow hot take

Lol, very hot take. It definitely doesn't help when there's those who want to change definitions of discrimination to mean power+prejudice (+privilege) either.

This is something I struggle to remind myself when I read about trans bullshit. I don't know any trans people in real life but I like to think I would give them the benefit of the doubt, and would only judge them based on their behaviour rather than their 'identity'.

I understand. Only difference is that I do know one, an HSTS. Think I get more wary when it's someone of younger/modern generation, if that makes sense, and trans community. Esp since the old schools and decent ones were essentially kicked out of their own community.

But you know, I'm not Jesus, I'm as susceptible to bigotry and judgement as the next person.

True.

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[–]latuspodSuper Straight 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There was a thread here just yesterday or the day before about it.

As a straight person I found it kind of funny in a sad sort of way. I imagine, and hope, that those sort of people dont parade their views in public often.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That person is a disgrace. The vast majority of us want equality and to live in harmony with eachother. The more people who support this equality, the better, and any homosexual or bisexual who claims that heterosexuals are inherently anything other than straight is a hypocrite and an idiot. Anyone in their right mind would be trying to collect as many straight allies as possible, even if they didn't respect straight people, because there simply aren't enough homo/bisexuals to do anything without significant help.

And in an age where homophobia has rebranded and is gaining traction, we need as much help as we can get. Not to mention that there is a potential that this new homophobia may likely turn against heterosexuals if it gets its way.

[–]BiHorror[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was? Huh, I didn't see it and it just got pushed down to the bottom or something.

I found it kind of funny in a sad sort of way. I imagine, and hope, that those sort of people dont parade their views in public often

Yeah, it's very sad. Fortunately, as most who responded, it's mostly online (not that it makes it any better). Although, I wouldn't be surprised if some did parade it. Especially when they can get away with it and just accuse others of bring xyz for disagreeing with it.

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[–]les4leshomonormative 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

i dont care either way but the trans identified heterosexuals clowning on the boring straights will never not be hilarious

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hahaha, I kind of wonder what their reaction will be once all of the gender ideology shit hits the fan in the mainstream and they're forced to look in the mirror.

BTW your flair rocks. Did you come up with that?

[–]les4leshomonormative 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

honestly i can't see it going any way other than piles of heterosexuals who had an edgy phase in their teenage years they no longer discuss. but i'm sure a few of them will just go straight into deviant kink subcultures or something

and nope! it's one of the many idiotic accusations the uberwoke like to lob at us normal gay people who want to "be treated equally" and "have rights" and "get married"

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

honestly i can't see it going any way other than piles of heterosexuals who had an edgy phase in their teenage years they no longer discuss. but i'm sure a few of them will just go straight into deviant kink subcultures or something

Yup, that sounds realistic to me.

"Homonormative" is something people say seriously?! LOL. I would love for society to be homonormative, hahaha.

[–]hyunnahh 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's pretty prevalent in online communities, where heterophobia is deemed as "impossible" and played off as a joke. Stuff like, "straight people ew" or "straight people sucks!" without even any disclaimer, but if anyone gets offended, they will immediately say that it's a joke. It's not even just towards straight people but also towards "cis" people, and collectively, "straight and cis". The most targeted group is probably, "straight cis white males".

The amount of hypocrisy in all these jokes, and videos and what not reeks tbh, and imo mostly comes from the younger generation and is getting out of hand. This is also part of why "LGB(T+)" acceptance has gone down over the years.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From what I've seen it's almost always done as a retaliation to/parody of homophobia. But yeah genuine heterophobia is just dumb. We wouldn't be where we are today without straight people empathising with us and helping us get rights.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Has any other LGB witness it and if so: what is your reaction to it? Do you call it out, think it's "justified," etc? Agree with it? Disagree with it? Neutral?

Yeah, I have, and I do not think it is justified, even if it is much less dangerous than homophobia. I have heard a friend (who is one of LGB themself) be like "straight people are so gross" in front of a couple of our straight friends. While straight people have never faced widespread and extensive discrimination as a group in the way that LGB people have, there is absolutely no need to belittle someone over their sexual orientation-- which they cannot change. We won't create a safer and more equitable world for ourselves by shaming straight people for being straight... let's just have less shame, please. And I don't like that it's "uncool" to be straight, either. Sexual orientation is not positive or negative as a trait, it's value-neutral.

edit: And I made it clear to those friends afterwards that I didn't agree with the person who made the remark and thought they were being childish and ridiculous. (Also, I'm definitely on the younger end of posters here, and have heard those sorts of comments many times from my peers; that's just one of the few times I heard it directly among my own friends.)