DiscussionAre heterosexuals right about us?

submitted by exponent2 from self.LGBDropTheT

Im not that old but i remember a time when we were discussing gay marriage rights and even before that, whether we should stop spitting on gay people when we saw them in the streets lol (the 90's).... i think gays and lesbians were naive. Not stupid, just naive. They kept complaining about the end of civilization (stupid, i know) or how cancerous our movement would be to heterosexuals but i guess when gays and lesbians have enough power to offer a "safe space" for people, THIS is what heterosexuals turn into? A bunch of fucking clowns? 40 year old straight men "living their authentic self"? Like, we're not the ones doing this to them. Theyre trying to fight us to the death to brainwash us into accepting them but i mean, come the fuck on. Straight women's breasts flying up in the air as they chop them off, demanding to rapey fuck gay boys...straight men putting on a wig and screaming into lesbian's faces that theyre evil for not accepting them as lesbians and gays/lesbians accidently initiating some sort of bi-copalypse "awakening" and gays/lesbians barely have any power but i feel like the more we do, the more i get the feeling that only homosexuals have an identity made out of pure titanium. We've been tested as an element and after 2000 years of attempted genocide against us in every generation, we're incapable of being attracted to the opposite sex no matter how hard they try with their murders, with them tormenting us, with us tormenting ourselves, with them killing us, with us committing suicide for not being able to "convert", with their transexual therapy bullshit on us. And then i find out that the very word "heterosexual" was created by a gay man in the 1800's? Because before that, it was "normal people vs faggts", and "normal men were men who put their dicks in the Fgg*t" and only he was the disgusting demon and the "top" was just seen as a normal man who was desperate for sex...as if you've caught some innocent desperate horny idiot putting his dick in a cow..he's not a cow-o-sexual..just a horny stupid desperate man.

I know we focus on transexuals here but im seriously starting to REALLY look down on straight people. And i dont resent them because of the oppression, but how pathetic they can be despite all the privileges set up for them with having their heterosexual cult religion (christianity), their institutions (marriage and everything else) and basically the whole country. But we have to admit, the more gays and lesbians gain power, these heterosexuals have no idea how to handle...to condense a 600 word essay into a cringey mythological cartoon and condense it into a kid's term: "gay chaos magic". The second they touch it, they're "free" but so undeveloped, so fucked up, so broken that they turn into deformed, disgusting monsters? No wonder they have to try and quarantine us because look at the disaster these fucking people turn into.

Maybe this is a phase they need to go through. And im starting to suspect that there are as little heterosexuals on earth as there are homosexuals and maybe 80% of earth is bisexuals but the second they touch "queer" space, theyre basically destroyed if they truly embrace it since it gives infinite freedom for genders and sexualities and these people have the ability to be anything they want to be but there's nothing to guide them. Lets not forget when gays went through this transformation to build their communities, we were a fucking disaster. But i guess these people cant go through their transformation and we can because we're about 10% of earth and these people are 80% of it. If they decide to go "weird" to explore themselves and be self destructive disasters, the entire nation collapses so their sexuality literally is a national security threat lol

Again, im just amused that christians were right but gays and lesbians NEVER understood them because we just thought: Our identities are solid unbreakable titanium...and we assume yours is as well! WHATS THE PROBLEM!? lol

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[–]latuspodSuper Straight 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You need to hang out with more straight people. These people you speak of are a small minority of weirdos that invade your spaces. Most straight people don't hang out in LGBT communities.

[–]exponent2[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes. You are correct. Most straight people dont hang out in "queer" spaces but when they do, they usually turn into a disaster if theyre raised within the culture which is what my post was saying...and when they touch "queer" space, they break into a 1000 pieces and then blame it on us because with infinite freedom to explore yourself, you get what we're dealing with.

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't know that they blame it on you, the gender identity people seem to like their own absurdity.

And perhaps those people who explore in that manner were never actually straight.

You also have the added confusion, coming in a few years, of people raising gender neutral kids. There will probably be an increase in confused hetero and homosexuals. But it has nothing to do with gay people, and everything to do with queer theory and gender identity.

[–]exponent2[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I dont think ideology can play a role in this. In the 16th century, homosexuals were still homosexuals and no amount of ideology or culture could change that no matter how hard they tried. No matter how extreme the pressure was, it couldnt "break" their homosexuality. Even the homosexual children tried breaking their homosexuality because their lives depended on it and failed. It just seems like heterosexuality is a thin veneer if when theyre raised in proximity to queer culture, they end up breaking apart.

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I agree that ideology can't change peoples sexualities. But a culture that has ideas about sex and gender being fluid and based on feelings will lead to people being confused about who they really are, leading to things like homosexuals thinking they are in the wrong body, and heterosexual identifying as homosexuals of the opposite sex. I don't think ideology is going to change peoples sexualities.

Saying heterosexuality is a thin veneer is silly. You are using an example of a very small number of people, most of whom were never straight. Where are all these straight people with their sexualties breaking apart? Straight people aren't threatened by whatever it is you are calling queer culture. I'll just go on living my normal boring monogamous hetero life.

[–]exponent2[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I looked at your profile. Youre mature enough to have not even participated in any of this stuff and grew up being validated. I wasnt even aware you're a heterosexual but heterosexuals now outnumber gays and lesbians and possibly even bisexuals within their own communities and they identify as transexual gays or lesbians. And straight men who identify as lesbians really are just straight men. I think its mostly gays and lesbians being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers flooding into their community.

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And I think that is a direct result of queer theory, and this idea that gender and sex are fluid, and also weirdly a confused idea of strict gender roles.

I agree that straight men identifying as lesbians really are just straight men, I think the problem is the woke idea that everyone's whims and fancies are valid. The whole idea of being validated or being valid is stupid.

[–]exponent2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I dont think a single one of these people have read up on or were influenced by queer theory. It's a ridiculously wordy complicated and highly abstract ideology. It cant inspire them. All thats happening is that these people are coming into gay/lesbian spaces and acting out the trauma that comes with their misogyny and homophobia that gays and lesbians worked very hard to get rid of. This happened even before queer theory, which is still an important ideology to understanding the idea of human sexuality. They've just appropriated it. But their identities are a broken disaster that they've just learned to hide. Homosexuals have been down this road. "Im a woman but im sexually dominant towards men...i MUST be a gay man" "Im a man and i secretly like incredibly feminine things and degrading myself and getting off on it...i'll degrade myself by dressing like a woman..i MUST be a lesbian". I guess it just reveals that what heterosexual society used to push on to gays and lesbians with the transexualism to heal "gender dysphoria" is induced within heterosexuals as well. It's just that they've never been free to talk about it until the gay community gave them the space to. The whole point of the gay community was to teach gays/lesbians : Your sex doesnt have to match a certain gender. You can be a feminine gay man or think in this way and not be a woman. And society was OBSESSED with convincing gay men theyre either secretly women or theyre imitating women... even when they were 3 years old and their parents could detect "he's not like the other boys".

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think people need to read any of this to believe or think they are true. Critical theory and post modern nonsense has infected liberal arts in universities for a long time, all of the "studies" courses are full of ot, I am taking education courses now and it's quite prevalent but low key. It has been seeping into our culture for years.

[–]exponent2[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

how does it seeping into universities affect your 5 year old child when they recall they've always had the feeling of "being in the wrong body" when most people who say theyre transexual admit to feeling "off" when theyre as young as 5 or 6. I doubt theyre being influenced by university culture. Heterosexualism isnt just a sexuality, they try to turn it into an ideology and all it does is cause this dysphoria. I highly doubt the straight men and women who do this to themselves are so different from the gay and lesbian people who feel gender dysphoria. Are the heterosexuals perverts and get off on it sometimes? Sure..but thats mainly because theyre a highly damaged, isolated people with no community to help them so they slowly become perverts. But thats from trauma and isolation. Heterosexualism causes gender dysphoria. Queer theory just studies heterosexuals. Thats it. You keep pretending that queer theory exists in a vacuum and everything straight people do is just as nature intended. But you suddenly dont have this opinion when it comes to "the natural order of the inferiority of women"..suddenly you bring out your big ol book of feminism because obviously feminism is meant to study the ideology called patriarchy. Feminism is to patriarchy as queer theory is to heterosexualism. You're purposefully ignoring the ideology that causes the gender dysphoria and queer theory certainly wasnt present in iran where they chop of gay people's dicks to turn them into women for their allah.

[–]MyLongestJourney 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is queer critical theory,an ofshoot of critical theory which invaded the academic "soft science" (think sociology) and liberal arts academic institutions and then spilled over in society. Do not blame heterosexuals for this.

[–]exponent2[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thats not correct. Queer theory was the study of sexuality. Thats it. It might have been hijacked to add transexuality to it but transexuality is just inherently transphobic. What im saying is, in most cultures...even throughout all of time...no ideology could "break" homosexuality. Even homosexuals tried "breaking" their homosexuality because their lives depended on it and they couldnt. But apparently, heterosexuality is a very thin veneer for a giant mess of complicated and jumbled up misaligned identities. "Queer theory" cant affect straight people without their identity being so fragile that if theyre raised in proximity to queer culture, they end up identifying as lesbians.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

critical queer theory is the academic junk that is causing all the these problems. deconstructing sex and gender, like changing sexual attraction to gender attraction, etc. Its alot of bullshit but they dumb it down for the masses and that DOES influence straight trenders. Sadly it has effected lgb people too, so they push it as well and we all suffer.

[–]MyLongestJourney 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Queer critical theory.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Queer Theory looks through the lens of sexuality, and the theorists who comprise the backbone of Queer Theory are not heterosexual, but Queer Theory ultimately has nothing to do with sexuality per se. Queer Theory can be applied to anything. https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1E7AD460-A2E1-4441-99CF-7CA149AFF420-1140x1520.jpeg

[–]Happy_Blueberry3910 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I might be wrong but I have a strange feeling that the problems are not caused by heterosexual people but by marxists who previously used working class, then lesbians and gays and now they use transgenders. They want power and use all these gender / intersectionality / Critical Race Theory bullshits to manipulate people and rule over them. When transgenders won't be useful then marxists will switch to another "oppressed" minority.

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    [–]exponent2[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

    ...no. what you just said is completely ahistorical, out of context and wrong. You're literally just parroting childish right wing talking points to elevate the priorities of right wing whining and crying. "why is godzilla approaching the coastline of califoinia?" Answer: "because DEM LIBRULS did SOMEFIN and we have to make sure to put conservatism ON TOP of everything else and then MAYBE godzilla will go away!".

    It's absolutely a "heterosexualism" thing. Gay and Lesbian rights can only exist when heterosexuals give themselves the freedom to let go of their crazy patriarchal "heterosexualist" ideology. It doesnt mean theyre not heterosexuals. It just means they turned their sexuality into an ideology and their gender roles are a gigantic massive shit show. Their "genders" are all wrong. Gays and Lesbians and our culture never really obsessed over gender. Remember, we were persecuted because our genders were "wrong", gay men were too feminine and lesbians were too masculine and we should just have sex with the "right" vagina to fix ourselves.

    Heterosexuals will NOT allow themselves to let go of gender and it completely fucks themselves up. And it completely fucks and destroys gay people up if we dont escape from their clutches just in time to enter the gay community to see we're "normal" for our type. The more freedom these people are given, the more they express their trauma. Teaching them heterosexual gender ideology thats so deep it's embedded into their culture (everywhere) that it damages them and they confuse certain "energies" with masculine or feminine and they MUST secretly be 25% woman or something stupid like that. It's how they think. And it plays deeply into their sex life. This again, isnt some queer theory thing. For thousands of years through multiple civilizations and cultures, heterosexuals have always broken a lot of their children that are homosexuals by raising them all wrong and then trying to "fix" their homosexuality by making them into transexuals so that their femininity and sexual desires "match" their sex. Gays and lesbians are by definition "trans" because our sexuality doesnt match our gender. Their original conversion therapy was making sure our sexual desires matched our sex.

    And this isnt a rich people thing. Get off twitter. In places without twitter, money or prosperity, in countries that are more primitive without gay rights, transexuality is EXTREMELY prominent. The heterosexuals there have no ability to even understand what homosexuality is. They all think we're women "trapped" in a guy's body. and THATS WHY we're attracted to males.

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      [–]exponent2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You're not offering a discussion when you point to the "decadence" of prosperity as some type of degeneracy when gay/lesbian rights can only exist when they gain wealth as well in "decadent" times but they always forget to go deep into the foundational culture to rewrite the code to remove homophobia. And iranians dont have a "tranny lobby". They offered a solution to homosexuality. And heterosexuals ate it up. This is how things work with them. And you seem so far off that you treat transexuals as their own people...as if theyre their own group. Theyre not. They have an origin. The main, primary core of transexuals as the first group is gay males who were "transed". Transexuality is not a biological identity. Being a homosexual is. Your whole "ideolgies are creating this mess" is just so far removed from reality because the only ideology creating this stuff is heterosexualism.

      Where was twitter and queer theory when the mexicans realized some of the little boys were feminine and when they immediately showed signs of homosexuality (blushing, finding boys as cute), they "transed" them into what they call "the muxe". Where was the trans lobby when india created the hijra, with a "transition or face death" mentality. Or the trans lobby and their wealth in native cultures in north america where they transed their gay children there with their "theyre 2 spirited" garbage. These are all ancient cultures with no twitter and no "queer theory". It's just pure psychotic heterosexualism. No one says theyre embraced but transexualism is a temporary solution to homosexuality until they find a way to properly commit genocide.

      I honestly suspect that you're not gay or lesbian and arent very well informed about these people who have been infesting our spaces since the beginning. Even in ancient greece and roman times, many people thought homosexuals were "inverted", meaning they MUST be a woman inside a man's body because how else could they be sexually attracted to men?

      Have points but dont parrot right wing ones. And for primitive, backwards inferior cultures that stayed that way because im guessing you need to take over at least a quarter of earth and enslave 25% of humanity to build your civilization...and if you didnt do that then your culture didnt "evolve", then yes, transexualism is the primary solution to anything deviating out of heterosexualism. We keep talking about "queer theory" but the whole point of queer theory as an ideology was to try and examine how heterosexualism worked. Yes, heterosexuals are real but their ideology doesnt just ruin homosexuals and bisexuals but even straight people are now transitioning.

      You're missing thousands of years of culture when you type.

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      [–]exponent2[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      You're not offering a discussion when you point to the "decadence" of prosperity as some type of degeneracy when gay/lesbian rights can only exist when they gain wealth as well in "decadent" times but they always forget to go deep into the foundational culture to rewrite the code to remove homophobia. And iranians dont have a "transexual lobby". They offered a solution to homosexuality. And heterosexuals ate it up. This is how things work with them. And you seem so far off that you treat transexuals as their own people...as if theyre their own group. Theyre not. They have an origin. The main, primary core of transexuals as the first group is gay males who were "transed". Transexuality is not a biological identity. Being a homosexual is. Your whole "ideolgies are creating this mess" is just so far removed from reality because the only ideology creating this stuff is heterosexualism.

      Where was twitter and queer theory when the mexicans realized some of the little boys were feminine and when they immediately showed signs of homosexuality (blushing, finding boys as cute), they "transed" them into what they call "the muxe". Where was the trans lobby when india created the hijra, with a "transition or face death" mentality. Or the trans lobby and their wealth in native cultures in north america where they transed their gay children there with their "theyre 2 spirited" garbage. These are all ancient cultures with no twitter and no "queer theory". It's just pure psychotic heterosexualism. No one says theyre embraced but transexualism is a temporary solution to homosexuality until they find a way to properly commit genocide.

      I honestly suspect that you're not gay or lesbian and arent very well informed about these people who have been infesting our spaces since the beginning. Even in ancient greece and roman times, many people thought homosexuals were "inverted", meaning they MUST be a woman inside a man's body because how else could they be sexually attracted to men?

      Have points but dont parrot right wing ones. And for primitive, backwards inferior cultures that stayed that way because im guessing you need to take over at least a quarter of earth and enslave 25% of humanity to build your civilization...and if you didnt do that then your culture didnt "evolve", then yes, transexualism is the primary solution to anything deviating out of heterosexualism. We keep talking about "queer theory" but the whole point of queer theory as an ideology was to try and examine how heterosexualism worked. Yes, heterosexuals are real but their ideology doesnt just ruin homosexuals and bisexuals but even straight people are now transitioning.

      You're missing thousands of years of culture when you type.

      [–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Straight women's breasts flying up in the air as they chop them off

      🤨

      [–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I know right? I was like wtf lol.