DiscussionSome honest, self-aware, anti-gender ideology AGP/AAPs on Twitter

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In case if anyone's interested, found some anti-gender heterosexual AGPs and a heterosexual detrans AAP who weigh in on the whole mess:

@ArtemesiaJade @aNonnaMiss1 @Tiresiasovid @FlohrFritz

Honestly, here's my hot take: AGP/AAP isn't necessarily harmful in itself. It's like any other fetish, keep it in the bedroom and keep fantasy separate from reality, and it's fine. But when coupled with narcissism and self-entitlement (which is EXACTLY what gender ideology encourages), we get the current mess with a lot of transbians/gay transmen that we see today.

I find it interesting how one AGP points out that if a teenage boy starts jerking off while thinking about woman's clothing, if he goes on the internet with questions, he'll almost immediately be told he's a transbian and encouraged to feed this compulsion full-time. Whereas if this same boy grew up in the 90s, he'd just be a functional adult man with a crossdressing fetish in private.

The detrans AAP also talks about how AAP was fundamental in her transition, because she thought the only two options for relationships were to convince unwilling straight men to indulge in her fantasies, or to pass as male and pursue gay men, and she admits that feeding this fantasy IRL and having it validated by others was akin to an addiction.

So anyways, posting here for interested parties as further evidence supporting DroptheT. Because I know we have all said a million times that the T has been overrun by heterosexuals with paraphilias for a while now, but here it is, straight from the horse's mouth.

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[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Speaking of AGPs, there's a sub on Reddit for people who recognize it was because of brainwashing due to fetishizing and sissy porn. It's fascinating, if you can stomach it.

r/TGandSissyRecovery

I find it interesting how one AGP points out that if a teenage boy starts jerking off while thinking about woman's clothing, if he goes on the internet with questions, he'll almost immediately be told he's a transbian and encouraged to feed this compulsion full-time. Whereas if this same boy grew up in the 90s, he'd just be a functional adult man with a crossdressing fetish in private.

That's a HUGE difference between then and now, and is definitely true from what I've experienced. I grew up fairly isolated, but when I was more active and out in the world in the 2000s, hetero AGPs weren't accepted in LGB spaces because everyone recognized it was a fetish thing. It was "you do you, but don't do it here, not the right place". You could find them in sex and bondage clubs, but not in strictly LGB spaces.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You could find them in sex and bondage clubs

https://archive.is/G8h5r

Yeah and it seems that everyone there knows what's up.

[–]howdidthishappen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

8k+ members on that sub. I honestly didn´t expect that to be such a huge thing.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not too surprising considering there's tons of sites that specifically cater to sissyfication by hypnotization fetish, aka trans male or mainstream male/female porn with over-the-top editing and "subliminal" suggestions. Hilarious stuff.

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly, here's my hot take: AGP/AAP isn't necessarily harmful in itself. It's like any other fetish, keep it in the bedroom and keep fantasy separate from reality, and it's fine. But when coupled with narcissism and self-entitlement (which is EXACTLY what gender ideology encourages), we get the current mess with a lot of transbians/gay transmen that we see today.

I agree. I sometimes hear people say stuff like "AGP is inherently evil/shameful" and I just don't think that's the way to go. I generally don't believe in shaming people for stuff, and I tend to believe that as long as someone isn't harming other people with their interests, they should be free to pursue those interests. But also, I think practically speaking it's not fruitful to shame people for it... then it ends up some taboo secret that nobody talks about, and then you end up with a bunch of AGP men (edit: and AAP women!) getting sucked into gender identity ideology.

So anyways, posting here for interested parties as further evidence supporting DroptheT. Because I know we have all said a million times that the T has been overrun by heterosexuals with paraphilias for a while now, but here it is, straight from the horse's mouth.

Not sure if you have seen Debbie Hayton's writing or twitter as well. He is a self-identified AGP man and transwoman who has written some articles about being AGP and a transwoman.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree, I think AGP/AAP needs a light shined on it in an objective, non-judgmental manner if we have any hope of getting to the bottom of the transbian/gay trans man phenomenon. Because 20 years ago most of them would’ve just been men who crossdress in the bedroom and women who are avid collectors of gay male erotica. I mean, the AAP woman straight up admits in one of her threads gender ideology gave her a great encouragement to try to live out gay male relationships.

I do follow Debbie, I didn’t know the AGP part though! That’s awesome that a transsexual woman is upfront and truthful about experiences like that.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Honestly, here's my hot take: AGP/AAP isn't necessarily harmful in itself. It's like any other fetish, keep it in the bedroom and keep fantasy separate from reality, and it's fine.

In my opinion, fetishes in general are harmful. No judgement, but having a fetish reduces one's capacity to be attracted to their partner, worsening theirs and their partner's sex life. Also, fetishes tend to progress when indulged, to the point where they can become dangerous and harmful if they aren't already. My advice to anyone with a fetish is not to indulge it.

Thanks for the people tho. I'll be glad to hear their experiences.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ehh i think there are plenty of people who keep their fetishes in check, and i also think not all fetishes are created equal (a foot fetish is not at all comparable to a rape fantasy, for example). ultimately how adults wanna navigate their niche sexual relationships and desires is up to them, i'm not gonna act like licensed counselor or therapist with insight into an individual's psychology to judge whether something is damaging or not. i do think fetishes should be allowed to be criticized because sexual proclivities are not formed in a vacuum without outside influence, but personally speaking, as long as they're not subjecting the public or nonconsenting participants to it, i'll stay out of it, and leave the discourse to the sexologists and the people who have firsthand experience within those particular fetish communities.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right. I immediately think of more harmful fetishes than something like feet which is really not a problem.

edit: I still think if a fetish is so severe, you can't get off without it, it's a problem. Even if it's something like feet.

[–]Palpatine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

r/askagp

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i think that sub is a great example of what one of the twitter users said: a lot of AGPs aren't transwomen, but most (hetero) transwomen are AGPs. so it's more than possible to live with this paraphilia without being a narcissistic transbian.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah for the most part. I would argue I have some aspects of what is considered "AGP" but it's not really something that took over my sexual identity. It's just an occasional fancy. It was just a way to cope with being bi partially when I was growing up. I only pictured myself with men so a bit different from what is often attributed to AGPs. I guess I just felt it wasn't as big of deal if it was a "straight fantasy". Outside of that it was just a way to escape. I think for a lot of guys/girls into those hobbies that's a primary reason for it because you basically create a new alter ego completely unlike yourself.

I like being a guy and I was always confused why so often people who had some of these feelings thought they were trans because despite having those feelings I never once considered myself anything else but a guy with a few strange backroom interests. After looking in these communities and it's true of trans men too a lot of it is just coming from idealizing fem or masculine archetypes and either going too far with a fetish or a sense of insecurity in the role they were born in. You aren't going to make that better by messing with your hormones and chopping off body parts especially if that is the reason you think you are trans.