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[–]Mikulbleu 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It reminds me of the emo/scene kids from when I was a teenager. They “infected” others by talking about their self harm constantly and actively encouraging self harm, it was a raw, mostly unmoderated wild west internet filled with unsupervised children who were more tech savy than their parents

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I consider the current genderosexual bullshit to be the direct child of emo culture. I suspect it’s next incarnation is the disability-mental illness fetish raging amongst them on Tik Tok right now.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's a child of both this emo/self-harm culture and pro-ana spaces. The only difference it is all covered it very sick superficial positivity unlike these emo and pro-ana places. When you get your first binder (which slowly destroys your posture, chest, breasts) you get celebration. The more you detach yourself from who you actually are, you get a lot of praise. A bit similar to pro-ana places bragging about eating 0 calories during a whole week or how little their weight is. But the difference being was how these spaces praised you for losing weight but still called you an ugly, fat monster to keep you going. Trans shit says you will kill yourself if you don't transition. And if you have any doubts then they say it's internalized transphobia.

Damn anyways it's terrifying how manipulative this movement is. Seeing how a girl binds her chest is praised makes me feel sick but I am forced to be quiet. I usually choose not to applaud these people and ignore them.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very perceptive, OP; I've been thinking much the same thing myself.

Teens and young adults are always looking for ways to shock their elders, right? But what happens when their elders are, well... pretty open-minded? Even comfortable with what used to be the counterculture? To the point that much typically countercultural stuff becomes... mainstream?

Because I think that's where we are now. Thanks to the aging of the Baby Boomers, and, perhaps even more, GenX (for whom the counterculture created by teenage/young adult Boomers was the stuff of early childhood). Now the "youth" have to contend with shocking their parents and grandparents who went to protests, were swingers, were punks, did drugs, got a million piercings and tattoos... who, honestly, might be a lot cooler than 16-year-old you.

But wait! They think that "gender" is a bunch of backwards bullshit! Something that they were determined to raise their own kids without! Encouraging their daughters to play sports and study science, their sons to play with dolls and show their emotions! No more pink is for girls/blue is for boys!

So... THAT'S how you shock them. With "gender". Making it the center of your life. Even to the point of mutilating yourself to conform to it.

I also think that, in terms of being-so-open-minded-that-your-brain-falls-out-ism, we've seen this movie before. When, in the 1960s and 1970s, the counterculture was ascendant, and the mainstream discredited. So you couldn't question any "revolutionary" idea that came down the pike. Such as... adults (well, men, really) "having sex" with children. Yeah, the western world's political left embraced that "cause", to a horrifying degree. Because if the traditional view was that sex = bad, then the enlightened, modern view must be that sex = good! In any and every form. The end.

We eventually got over that (largely due to leftist women), thank god... but it looks to me like "trans" is the new version. Both were packaged as individual freedom (children's rights! gender identity!) despite being anything but; both were taken up in the name of compassion and tolerance and progress. Hopefully, when people realize that "trans" is as beneficial to women, kids, and LGB people as its predecessor was to children, it will go the same way. Can't come soon enough for me.

[–]HelloMomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Teens and young adults are always looking for ways to shock their elders, right? But what happens when their elders are, well... pretty open-minded? Even comfortable with what used to be the counterculture?

That's one of the ideas that Abigail Shrier briefly mentions in her book. She muses that what if these ROGD moms had pretended to be scandalized or outraged at some phase their daughters went through before this—even if they weren't really? Could that have allowed their daughters to achieve the developmental milestone of rebelling against one's parents, and then left them free to move on to other things?

[–]motss-pb 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a theory that it goes all the way back to Stonewall. No, Stonewall was not the start of the Gay Rights movement, but it may have been the point where we were assimilated into the larger Counterculture movement.

The same movement that spawned identities such as beatnik, hippie, freak, punk, goth, and emo reinvented itself in the 2010s as queer. If you think about it, even the rainbow flag is more of a counterculture symbol, having been used previously as both an antiwar peace symbol and in the Civil Rights movement's Rainbow Coalition.

Once gay marriage became legalized in western countries, gay people fell out of favor with the counterculture movement. Counterculture has since moved on to trans issues.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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