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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (31 children)

This is a false choice.

Here you see a picture of TWO BUMS. Neither of them produce anything useful for anybody. They both grift off of working people.

When are you ding-dong government religionists going to realize that their is no real distinction between corrupt corporate bureaucracy and corrupt government bureacracy. I use the word RELIGION because you have a MAGICAL BELIEF that anything with a government label on in is inherently virtuous and for the people. Its not. The private and public sector bureaucracies are totally in bed together. Its not worth teasing them apart and trying to reform this massively byzantine bloated government because you are stuck with the SAME PROBLEM. Bureaucracy.

Bureaucracy does not create any direct wealth. Its there to help manage and coordinate workers. But weve turned it into a worthless bloated aristocracy. There is no difference between corporations and governments anymore. They are all part of the same problem. Stop giving the bureaucracy more and more power to steal shit from people doing useful work.

An economy is like a computer. It relies on accurate economic information to run its program. That is how all the little parts of the machine do their jobs and coordinate with each other. It is critical that useful work is accurately valued within the economy. It is also critical that stupid useless bullshit jobs, be they in corporate america or public sector are similarly accurately valued. As worthless.

Do you ever feel like your job is pointless and your not really doing anything useful? Thats because YOU’RE NOT.

You think if you just redistribute wealth from rich assholes to poor assholes you will fix something. You are not. You are destroying information. Garbage in, garbage out.

Do you want to fix this problem? Or do you want to cling to your sentimentality as the titanic sinks beneath the waves.

I want this fucker’s head on a platter as much as anyone. A fucking platter. But you will not fix the problem by shifting more monopoly money around.

Bring useful manufacturing jobs back to this country. Allow Americans to build factories and trade unimpeded. Institute protectionist barriers to favor american workers and american consumers. It will also reduce waste and improve fuel efficiency. If that matters to any ivory tower greenies.

If guy number one wants to get off the spice and get a job, let’s make sure there’s one that exists. That pays a living wage.

Hey, how do you get a living wage anyway? Do you think if you pass a law that every employer has to pay $15 worth of monopoly money that it will fix the problem? Or will it just cause inflation of the dollar while simultaneously destroying useful economic information? huh? They control the worth of your silly funny money. Bezo’s banker buddies decide what $15 is worth.

The only way to improve real wages for workers is to reduce that ratio of workers to consumers. Stop importing labor. It drives down the price of labor. Corporations love it. Increase the number of single earner households. Someone can stay home with the kids. It doesn’t have to be the mom.

Get rid of bureacratic jobs. Increase manufacturing.

Decreased number of wealth producing jobs supporting an ever increasing number of useless bureacratic jobs that redistribute wealth reagardless of productive behavior is just making being non-productive more viable, and penalizing good useful behavior.

This is just math. No feelings in the world are going to help you evade the math of this situation. 2 + 2 = 4. Its never going to equal 5. I promise. Never.

Standing around virtue signalling that you care so very much about Dirty Steve and you hate rich guy cause you’re a socialist and a really swell guy accomplishes zero. Its pure status seeking behavior. Vanity and self-indulgence. You own little war to prove to people how fucking sensitive you are. Who cares.

How about acting rationally and applying a fix?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Not that anyone is going to change your mind, but I might note that the only part here that makes sense is:

This is a false choice.

After that you continue with additional false equivalence analogies. The fact is that - in the US - the 1% have gleaned so much from the 99% that many in the 99% have no savings, no reasonable living wage, a lot of debt, don't own a home, no job security, and small businesses have gone bankrupt, because there is not a reasonable share of the profits with the 99%. Moreover, many in the 1% are tax evaders. If the "American experiment" is to work the 1% must pay taxes that are truly representative of their wealth and that are comparable to the taxes paid by the 99%. To see the results of extreme income inequality, look to the BRIC countries. The 99% in those countries are fucked. There are many in the 1% in the US who want the US to be like a BRIC country. Fuck that. AN equal share of taxes for everyone, based on their actual incomes (including the offshore wealth, as the EU has begun to tax).

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

the fact is that - in the US - the 1% have gleaned so much from the 99% that many in the 99% have no savings, no reasonable living wage, a lot of debt, don't own a home, no job security, and small businesses have gone bankrupt, because there is not a reasonable share of the profits with the 99%

Im not disagreeing. Didn’t you read the part about the head on a platter? Im saying psychopaths like Kamala and Hillary and Pedo-joe are oligarchs just like Bezos and that giving government increasing power has CAUSED multinational corporations to become powerful.

Moreover, many in the 1% are tax evaders.

No shit. Now tell me why its a good thing if government gets that money. Its so arbitrary how you love some oligarchs but hate others.

Government hyperregulation is creating these monopolies. It doesnt cost $300 to go to the doctor. Bureaucracy is driving up that cost. When everybody has insurance you are just creating an unneccessary middleman that doesn’t help to cure you. 10 million dollar malpractice awards are what is driving that cost. Useless government workers with exorbitant health insurance at tax payer expense is what is fucking with the supply and demand pricing mechanism.

The government enforces ridiculous patents and copyrights. Why do insulin and epipens cost so much? The government. It costs about 5 or 10 bucks to make that shit, not 300!

The government empowers the Fed. That is what keeps Wall Street robber barons in business. They implement the chronic inflationary state that robs savers. Government does that.

The government supports an increasingly worthless credentialling system that robs tax payers of funds and encourages teenagers to indebt themselves. For what? To sustain communist madrassas where leftists can avoid real work while living of workers. Its total exploitation. No one want to support your theological seminaries.

Instead of giving Bezos’ $$$ to Kamala or a bunch of communist librarians, think about the suggestion I made to endlessunflowers.

https://saidit.net/s/LateStageCapitalism/comments/7s2h/brainwashed_by_buzzwords/t78n

Destroy all the cash that billionaires have over a fixed cap. Instead of giving Bezos’ stolen booty to the cleptocrats in the DNC and RNC, you are just increasing the wealth of all non-billionaires that have any property or who earn money.

BTW we should seriously get rid of money loans. Or at least limit how much of a purchase someone can finance. Loans are the reason why things like cars and houses and college is so expensive.

They’ve made is useless to save money because of inflation. Theyve driven up the price of everything with financing. This shit ony makes bankers rich. But stubbornly you insist that the only solution is the one thats been tried and tried and tried and that fails every time. Communism fails because bureaucrats abuse power and pay themselves first. That is fucking predictable if you understand evolution.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

So we agree that that we should elect politicians to office who will focus on the 99%. Part of this happened with the election of so many Democrats to the Hill. The Republicans have been fucking the country for decades. In the past 4 years they put the country $27 trillion in debt and a recession. Fuck them. Democrats are working on raising the minimum wage, health care, human rights, etc., etc, etc.

[–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Democrats are working on raising the minimum wage, health care, human rights, etc., etc, etc.

No they're not. Stop spreading this lie.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Are you not looking at the bills that have been proposed? Where are you getting your news? Also, run a simple search for:

democrat bill minimum wage

biden health care

biden human rights

And if you don't believe something, look up evidence to support your argument, and don't bother visiting websites listed at /s/ShitpostNews

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Antifa seems to be calling for violence

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These are not white nationalists

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But you already knew that. No person arrested for participating in the antifa riots has ever been shown to be a crypto fascist. Its just a conspiracy theory spread by the billionaires who fund antifa on their MSM news outlets.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

More information about the Nazi who is your source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

A few mentally ill people do not represent an Anti-fascist organization, especially because there is no national anti-fascist organizaiton. There is a Portland Antifa website, but even they would argue that these mentally ill people doxxed by Andy Ngo are not officially with their Portland Antifa group. Anti-fascists are generally against violence, because they are against fascism.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A few mentally ill people do not represent an Anti-fascist organization,

Yeah of course they do. Everyone knows this is exactly who antifa is. Violent and mentally ill.

Andy Ngo an nazi. I mean I have heard mentally ill violent antifa people claiming that he is. Its pretty funny. He is an utterly middle of the road vietnamese fag. He’s obviously a civic nationalist. People who say that are either totally ignorant of what what nazism or civic nationalism are as political systems, or they are just trying to start witch hunts. His views are comparable to 90% of americans who just dont want drug addicted transvestites burning down their town. Oh but theyre all nazis too right? I hope you guys keep calling asian twinks who get bashed by communists “nazis”. I hope you make the term totally synonymous with utterly boring average views like “Stop murdering people”.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

drug addicted transvestites burning down their town

LOL

Andy Ngo is an obvious alt-right gimp. It's not a controversial thing to say. Nor is it controversial to refer to alt-right gimps as nazis, even if they're not happy with the title. They essentially want big daddy 1% to totally dominate the 99%.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

and small businesses have gone bankrupt,

But the Left despises them, remember? They're deplorable. If there's a table with a Nazi and ten people talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Nope - Republicans have caused small businesses to close. Think of Citizens United, failure to respond to COVID19, tax cuts for the .01%, deregulation, etc, etc.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You don't think burning them down had an effect? The Republicans are all about small business. They are the heart of strength of the GOP.

The idea that the Left gives a shit about small business in America is laughable. The harmful bourgeois element? They are to be liquidated, not celebrated.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Are you referring to the white domestic terrorists who are on video throwing molotov cocktails into stores? Yes there may have been blacks who also did this, but I've not seen videos of them. I've seen blacks try to stop whites from this violence.

Republicans have caused thousands of small businesses to close. The GOP fucked them over.

The only party that cares about small businesses is the Democrat party.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The only party that cares about small businesses is the Democrat party.

Bahahahahaa....oh that's hilarious. At least make your lies believable. You're going to get a poor evaluation on your next social media influencer job HR meeting.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Look around, Chip: those who aren't brainwashed by Fox, InfoWars, Breitbart and others at /s/ShitpostNews are sick of the Republican rape of the US since Reagan. Just look at the history: taking Social Security money to pay a debt develped with tax cuts for the rich (Reagan), the trickle-down lie (Reagan &c), deregulation of Wall Street and resulting recession (Clinton, pushed by Republicans), a war in Iraq engineered by Republicans (Bush Jr), Citizens United and the packing of the Supreme Court with Republican lackies, absolutely no adequate response to COVID19 until it was too late (McConnell, Trump &Co), Tax cuts for the rich that helped raise the debt to $27 Trillion (McConnell, Trump &Co), allowance for offshore accounts that mean that Bezos and others contribute nothing to the economy, and much more. Do you understand? What kind of brainwashing nonsense do you have to believe in order to think that Republicans are looking after small businesses? Be specific.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Nice copypasta.

Democrats despise small business. They consider small business the harmful bourgeoisie element in society. Ask any Democrat. They hate our guts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No Chip:

You don't have a source for this as if it were a copy-pasta

You still don't have any arguments or evidence about Democrats not liking small businesses. They're the only ones supporting small businesses. Read about it.

You still don't have any arguments or evidence about Democrats thinking small businesses are harmful or bourgeoisie. In fact, no one in their right mind thinks this, because it makes no sense.

You wouldn't know a Democrat if you ran over him at a pro-democracy rally.

Again, you have no argument or evidence that Democrats "hate our guts."

Get your facts straight and stop spreading lies. And if you think you have an argument, make it, and support it with reliable evidence. Your responses are pathetic, like a 5-year-old continually saying: "no it isn't" a 1000 times.

(I am taking the time to respond to you because you are one of the leading spreaders of disinformation on Saidit. You're supporting the Republicans who have been in the process of raping the country. You you need to give all of this some thought, rather than just knee-jerk childish responses.)

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Theres lots more where this came from. Can you show me a video where you think domestic white terrorists are smashing a destroying and looting stores? Can you show me video where they are burning buildings? Or chanting that they will burn buildings? Any video of white terrorists ripping people out of their cars and beating them to death? Any video of white domestic terrorists torturing and killing animals in the street? Because thats what I turned up in 5 minutes of searching. From some pretty tan looking white terrorists.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/74Jo33j0cVlC/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/2n1iKDtb1CRC/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7C2QvNIYfiXm/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KVGaEieSAuUq/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/u27kpIwtURTn/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/m4BeO56tvdXT/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zlxrjJgwihwm/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the links. Many of the videos were on https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/ when they happened. I don't have time to dig videos up for you. Moreover, much of Bitchute has numerous disinformation videos, specifically for racists, hence the reason many of those videos were banned from Youtube. Whites were definitely burning buildings, as were blacks. The videos of whites doing this are helpful because there is a tendency to focus on blacks in some videos. The problem isn't one of race; it's class. Low income people will riot, regardless of race.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The cogintive dissonance must be painful when reality does not match your religious training. Maybe you weren’t aware that youtube heavily censors information like evidence incriminates political partisans that they favor. Youtube is run by a billionaire who supports a legal ethnostate that is exterminating its native inhabitants. A billionaire that supports genocide.

Oh but its the right kind of genocidal billionaire. Gotcha.

Theses riots are being carried out by mostly blacks in combination with a handful of wealthy and middle class white college kids that are all antifa members. You can see their multiple face piercings, they aint nazis. But you already knew that.

The poorest white areas of the country arent rioting. Its just blacks and rich white leftists. The poorest white neighborhoods have lower crime rates that the wealthiest black ones. “Poverty” aka lower income percentiles (which will always exist because math is a thing), is not the biggest driver of crime. IQ is a major driver of crime. But it isn’t the biggest. Race is the biggest driver.

Wealthy and middle class blacks are far more likely to commit crime than poor whites.

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They are also far more likely to have high scores on psychopathy assesments.

Its because what we deem psychopathic or criminal behavior is more likely to be exibited in africans than other groups. Because of genetics. Youre systemic racism theory is unsupportable. The disparities blacks complain of are due to biology.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

SO you have seen the videos of the white people - many of them known as alt-right agitators, as well as anarchists - who've travelled form out of town in order to burn buildings, cause fights, and in some cases, injure and murder blacks. If you've seen those videos and the testimonies from the people who confronted them, you'd know about the alt-right attempts to convert peaceful protests into riots. Many of those alt-right whites are also seen in the marches, throwing things at the police, in order to convert the peaceful protest to a violent conflict. If you've seen those videos, you can write about the protests as if you are well-aware of what happened. If hower you only see the protests and violence as primarily black individuals destroying their communities, then you've not seen some of the important videos. Regarding videos on Reddit, most of those are embedded, from several sources, including Twitter and various other places; not just youtube.

[–]TheOtherSide 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nobody is stopping you from going out and helping this guy. Please go, do so.

We are objecting to your steeling our resources and saying you are going to help this guy, but we know you are only going to help your buddies.

[–]Tophat123 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

False. You had to go to downtown LA to see the many bum encampments, now a days you will find them within the outskirts of the LA area. It is the most heavily taxed place in the US, so do kindly tell me how adding even more taxes will solve this problem.

On top of that, as we see time and time again, when business owners get taxed more they just pass on the expenses to the customer, which is why prices have been rising in price substantially especially in blue states.

[–]Tarrock 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Except that doesn't happen.

Instead Middle-class sue and george in the suburbs get taxed. Amazon and Walmart continue to treat and pay their employees like shit, all the while their workers have to go on government welfare.

When the right says that corporations shouldn't be doing this, then the left says that they're a private company and can do whatever they want, and talk about how brave they are for supporting joggers and trannies. Then the same leftiest come here and post this shit. All the while, sue and george's taxpayer dollars are going to illegal immigrants to come in and replace Americans (along with drive wages down further), while the homeless remain homeless, and now there's more of them!

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Most long term homeless people have epic drug and mental health issues. They aren't where they are because of a lack of social opportunity.

I say this as someone who started off underclass. Most of them are there because of their own stupidity and or behaviour problems.

Most billionaires and millionaires are self made (about 2/3).

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    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Haha really? Either working people support homeless and poor people or we exterminate them? Those are our only choices? Okay, that sounds completely reasonable.

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      [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Kinda based explanation but I blame the kikes

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Some of those guys make $60/hr panhandling. We have people here who park their luxury cars out of sight and go begging on street corners.

      It isn't just a money problem for the homeless, many of them are not... Mentally compatible with society.

      Although I support making the rich support the society they built their wealth from, homeless has issues to it that complicate the message "help the needy."

      [–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Hilarious to see people that can't think for themselves defend the rich and soulless.
      Common Sense / basic taxes on the rich would not affect most people, at all,
      But yet these manipulated people still exist, defending the 1%

      [–]TheOtherSide 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      You are so naïve to think the rich will let your take their money.

      Its not funny, its sad and dangerous.

      [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You have an absolutely absurd belief that you can get the rich to pay more when they already pay less than the middle class. No one is defending the 1% and frankly that you think that demonstrates complete ignorance about the actual arguments against socialism. You have a lot to learn, and very little to say, yet you talk without listening.

      When you can take away congresses' exemption of insider trading laws. When you can get rid of the massive loopholes that allow corporation to get away with paying zero tax. When you can stop the federal reserve, then we will listen to your opinions as if you aren't talking out of your ass and pushing policies that have been proven a thousand times to lead to nothing but destruction.

      [–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I just want to wipe that cockeyed smirk off his face. Use Book Depository: free, fast shipping worldwide.

      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I dont really see anyone on this post doing that. Maybe you’re just referring to some other people in general?

      How about this: anyone who has more than let’s say 100,000,000 dollars (or what ever you think is “rich enough”) just delete their wealth above that amount. Whatever stocks or properties Bezos has above this quantity, sell it off and delete the cash from the economy. This does not destroy any actual wealth it just erases some monopoly money from the system so that people who have less money in dollar amounts end up with slightly more because a dollar is now worth more. Deflation.

      If you do this to the top .01% you reduce the money supply and poorer people automatically have more wealth. Hundred of billions of dollars more. You dont have to redistribute anything.

      You want to defenestrate the billionaires, fine. Absolutely no right wing or trump voters will stop you. Ive just told you one way to do it. You need to come to grips with the fact the the goverment is run by powerful psychopaths. We are not going to let you give more power to them.

      Any time you decide you want to return power to working people and not the government bureacracy, let us know. We think its hilarious that you are still defending soulless government psychopaths. Whenever you choose the people over the politicians who are all part of the same huge circle jerk as Bezos and Wall Street, let us know.

      Common sense is not to pick one psychopath over another. Its to just say no to psychopaths.

      Government is not magic. Why do you worship it to fix all problems?

      [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Only if it were true!