Do you find that people don’t believe you when you describe what’s happening to lesbians?

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When you tell someone that lesbians are being pressured to date trans people, especially trans women, do you find that they don’t believe you?

I’ve told people from outside the community that INSIDE the community lesbians are being labelled terfs and bigots for only considering women as potential partners. That we are unable to speak about it without censure and hate, and that our spaces are being usurped by Bi/pan women and trans women who call themselves “lesbians,” or some variation of lesbian, and that we are no longer welcome.

People seem reluctant to believe this, and it ends up making me feel worse. Has this happened to any of you?

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[–]beholdyourheart 51 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 0 fun52 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I think a lot of people don't even notice because it doesn't affect them. Really the only ones being affected by this are lesbians and to a lesser extent gay men - for anyone else, they can go their whole lives without ever encountering the idea of a girldick. I've found though that the few times I've discussed it with others, they seem somewhat incredulous but not in a malicious way. More like they can't understand how anyone could ever expect a lesbian to be into dick and are baffled that it's even an argument. Which is comforting in a way because it makes me realize that the majority of people out there do indeed understand what same-sex attraction is, but I also wish it would be taken more seriously. I think there's this perception that it's just a fringe group of weirdos who perpetuate this stuff, but nowadays that's really not true and gay people are genuinely losing spaces and voices.

[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

People have literally responded like “Well, just tell them you are a lesbian and you don’t date people who are not born female..” and look confused. They also can’t believe that women are calling themselves “bi lesbians” and that women who are calling themselves “lesbians” are dating straight men, and that they ALL hate us for saying lesbian is a homosexual female. It’s like they cannot get past how illogical it is, and I end up feeling really embarrassed.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Hey, you are doing something though. You’re making these people aware. The fact that they say this and make a confused face means they see that there is something odd with the logic that trans people try to push. They didn’t get angry and call you a transphobe, they didn’t threaten you with violence. They said to tell these trans people that you aren’t interested and thought it odd that it would be any more difficult which means they see the absurdity in all of this

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Showing them the whole ball-waxing case helps.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What’s the ball-waxing case? And I mean that the people see the absurdity in the trans people who try to push that logic

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Jonathan Yaniv, Jessica Yaniv took a bunch of women to court for refusing to wax his lady-balls. It was a whole depressing stupid thing. Blame Tranada!lol

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

OHHH! I remember reading that and thinking how dumb it was. I’m curious how it ended. I don’t know who Tranada is :P

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Canada. We call it Tranada because we are aggressively progressive here and will shut everything and everyone down

He lost his human rights cases. He went to the human rights tribunal or something and took them all before it and lost

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That’s cool. That’s what the fucker gets for trying to force women to touch his genitals. Fucking creep. On another note though, this is why schools should teach a well-versed sex ed. Then maybe people like them could get the help they need and realize that maybe they aren’t trans and have some other kind of diagnosis, like maybe AGP. Then these people would better understand

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the right wing people have their way we won’t be hearing about anything in sex Ed.

[–]windrunner 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they can't understand how anyone could ever expect a lesbian to be into dick and are baffled that it's even an argument.

Right??? It baffles me how this is even an argument. But that's the point we've reached now in this damn 'community'

[–]verystablegenius 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes. i have experienced this. i’ve been trying not to be annoying as a communicate this to the people i love and trust in my life. this issue is weighing down so heavily, and it it effecting my mental health. i feel like i must share what’s going on in the lesbian community so that my loved ones understand why i am so upset at times. explaining the issues in our community is hard because it literally is unbelievable. it takes time to relay the gravity. i’ve started showing my friends and family the posts that trans people and TRAs make, and i show them photos of males on dating apps. they are starting to understand.

[–][deleted] 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I told my therapist and I didn’t feel she believed me, about the drama in the community etc, and how you either toe the line or you are kicked right out.

Then all the stuff with jk Rowling started and that became news all over the place, and the Harper’s letter against cancel culture, and how reddit banned all of the subs and true lesbians, including detrans for a minute there, and I think she gets it now. People don’t realize that this has been happening to lesbians for years and is only recently becoming mainstream.

It’s really hard to be isolated with it and knowing that people who haven’t seen it happening probably think you’re crazy, because it sounds nuts! Glad you are making some progress letting them know.

[–][deleted] 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yep! People have been acting like I'm a conspiracy theorist if I dare to bring up that lesbians are being kicked out of LGBT spaces if we dont want to sleep with women / dont believe that men with AGP are 100% biologically female.

Especially with TRAs being so good at cancelling people who speak out for being "bigots" and "TERFs" so people hear that someone's a bigot and dont bother to look into their actual opinion. Then they cover it up by saying "We never said anyone has to sleep with anyone they dont like! It's a strawman by the evil TERFs"

And then they go right on back to trying to pressure lesbians into sucking girldick and silencing the ones who speak out so that the rest of the lesbians who don't want girl dick keep quiet since they feel alone and like they're wrong. If you're a baby lesbian just starting to explore, basically all of the lesbian spaces are filled with bi women, "queer women", hand maidens, and trans people to the point where it's not even a lesbian space anymore. So baby lesbians are surrounded by the girldick narrative and people telling her she's wrong and has "a genital preference" and "internalized transmisogyny" because she is a LESBIAN and doesn't want to suck a dick.

[–][deleted] 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It’s pretty brutal to be attacked from all sides. I feel the most pity for young lesbians who don’t even get the welcome into the community that I got. Lots of us gay kids were kicked out of our homes or beaten by family etc when we came out, but the community was there for us. Where do the young lesbians turn now? It’s so sad

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sadly, a lot of them are turning to testosterone

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, and a lot of the fundie parents would rather their kid was straight than gay so they are supportive of it.

[–]MrFahrenheit46 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, that was me.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Show her screenshots. Tell her about the JK Rowling thing

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    [–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It’s hard to not be extremely bitter about it. I’ve been threatened by idiots to my FACE. Not just some people hiding online. And it’s getting worse as they keep pushing and limiting the spaces we are welcome in.

    [–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    What a bunch of fucks. The next time they do, record what happens and go to the police to file a report. Even if nothing happens out of this it will still be on record

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I don’t want to tell the police because these psychos will be housed with women. If someone gets in my face again they will get what the last one got, a black eye

    Plus I don’t want them to have a criminal record, just smarten the fuck up and back off. I am lucky they were shitty at fighting and drunk because they were bigger than I am and crazy as a fox

    [–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do they not separate them??? I’m not sure if it would be a criminal record but rather reports that show that that person could be a possible danger to others. Of course that’s not always the case, but a record helps even if that person isn’t dangerous. I don’t think it would have much of an effect on them unless they keep doing it

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If you identify as a woman and go to jail you get put with women. It’s a big problem in prisons because men are identifying as women to get out of men’s prisons now. Thanks, self id. Even crimes are recorded as female

    Plus I am not a big fan of police because we had lots of bad experiences with them being homophobes in my hometown and where I live now and I don’t want to inflict that on myself or anyone else, even dumb trans idiots yelling at me.

    [–]LesbiSilly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I want you to be safe, but can't you just tell them you're being harassed by this "" Lady"""? But DON'T do ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU FEEL UNSAFE. Use your own judgement.

    [–]writerlylesbian 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes. Been disbelieved about this for years.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Lol, the ones that need to see a bunch of proof.

      Lesbians that are like “whatever, live and let live” about it because they don’t pay attention to the community at all are the funniest. Like, no, it’s not live and let live, they don’t want us to be lesbians into women only. We want to be left alone, but we can’t even make our own spaces to BE ALONE. we are not even trying to kick them out. We just leave and they pursue us. Lol.

      I’m going to be laughing when I get an immediate call from one of these dykes, that downplays the situation, as soon as she joins a dating app.

      [–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I’ve found that screenshots work better than links. People are too lazy to click links so using screenshots is easier

      [–]Maeven 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Yes.

      I told someone that I was worried about dating because lesbians get pressured a lot by trans women. She agreed that trans women are men, and I have the right to reject them but thought that I was being paranoid, and that people in LGBTQ groups would understand my hesitation/I wasn't likely to even meet any trans women.

      It's a very liberal area. I've heard exactly the opposite from lesbians who have involved with the community. She just made up this super ignorant assumption from thin air. I guess she didn't want to believe me. It really hurt.

      [–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      People have no idea what they are even saying. Lots of gay people move to larger cities etc and these places are absolutely loaded with trans people. Literally half my “lesbian” friends transitioned ffs. Ages from 18 - 45, most of them in their 20s and 30s. And also loads of butches I was not friends with but would see around. Trans women started appearing in lesbian spaces, but not many, and that number has been steadily increasing over the years. Most of them don’t even seem to try passing now. And these people are pretty much all extremely hostile toward lesbians with boundaries, and will openly try and ask questions to smoke out the “terfs.”

      And this was like 15 years ago or something that it started picking up. People in LGBTQ groups actively shun and protest anyone and anything they think steps even SLIGHTLY out of line with the ideology.

      Randoms who think it’s okay to be gay in the gay community are clearly unaware of this.

      [–]Maeven 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It actually means a lot to see you say that. Thanks.

      [–]Dykexmachina 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      This happens to me all the time. I've rarely been taken seriously when I tell non-lesbians what's been happening to us from within the LGBT community over the years. Fortunately more people are starting to listen lately, probably due to the slight increase in public awareness. But it's still not even close to enough. I have a blog full of hundreds of receipts (mostly credible receipts and not just obvious trolls) on TRA lesbophobia/homophobia/misogyny, and when I show people, they're literally dumbfounded by the absurdity of how this could be happening. It's like it's just TOO cartoonishly evil and their brains can't "click" and accept that this is really happening. They'll say things like "well, just ignore those people! They're obviously wrong and no one is going to take them seriously anyway! Just make friends with other lesbians from now on!" And it's so frustrating because like, we /can't/ ignore this, it's everywhere, don't you get it? In real life too, not just the internet. People with power and influence literally believe this stuff, not just internet weirdos. And thousands of people agree with them. I've encountered it in real life. And it's hard to meet other lesbians since there are almost no lesbian-specific spaces online OR in real life where we can talk about this openly without fear of intense backlash or possibly even violence.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Just ignore them. Lol. Like TRAs trying to cancel the libraries in Toronto and Vancouver or anywhere that tries to talk about gender identity and women’s rights, like okay guys. They will ignore this until all of our sex-based protections are gone and then they might notice. Ignoring problems doesn’t work. It’s illegal to misgender someone in canada. Laws are being changed for this. Lol. It’s so much bigger than they think because they think it’s just the gays in-fighting

      How do they suggest we find other lesbians who are not in full-handmaiden mode?

      [–]Dykexmachina 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Exactly. When I tell them lesbians can't organize because our spaces will either get shut down or be invaded/policed by males and non-lesbians, they don't know what to say, except maybe "this will pass eventually." But this has been going on for so many years and is only getting worse. What the hell are we supposed to do.

      Even when non-lesbians DO realize the full extent of what's happening to us, they still won't help or advocate for us in any way.

      It's even worse when people flat out deny that any of this is happening at all.

      [–]Ricky_Ticky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh, it's really horrible. I wasn't aware how bad it has become

      [–]mangosplums 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You should make a video of all the receipts you have. Obviously it can’t go on YouTube, but there are other video platforms you could put it on like dailymotion. If people could see what’s actually going on then it could change public opinion.

      [–]Dykexmachina 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It would take hours to go through them all lol. For now I'm collecting as many as I can and mostly showing people I know irl. I don't want to draw too much attention to the blog itself yet in case it might get nuked, but I do plan on finding a way to get this shit into more mainstream awareness eventually.

      [–]Canardyyy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      I don’t bother explaining it to people cause it doesn’t affect them and I’ll look crazy and transphobic/homophobic. And in my career, I unfortunately have to be neutral about it.

      Having this platform is a way for me to be able to express it, and of course talking to my girlfriend, whom stand by dropping the T as well.

      [–][deleted] 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

      Pretty much everyone has to be neutral these days. I got into it as work with someone who directly asked me if I would date trans women; I said no and they were so mad. I also said “if you don’t want an honest answer don’t ask a question like that.” This person (straight man) seemed to think it would be fine for lesbians to date someone with a neovagina and I just felt bad for him. It’s not even close to the same thing, the only people who think that are dudes. He even said some of them were more beautiful than “real” women. Like okay man.

      [–]Canardyyy 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      That is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn’t affect them at all and they still got mad at it. And if he think some of them are more beautiful than “real” women then he should date them.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      He was probably defensive because he wants a piece of them and doesn’t want to feel “homo” for it. Lol. When people flip at you it’s usually their problem

      [–]Canardyyy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh probably. Don’t you just love the hypocrisy of these people?

      [–]Ricky_Ticky 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      To be honest I still consider myself neutral. Transwomen have always existed and will always exist. I believe the majority of them are nice people, and besides they are mostly straight and looking for men, so they could care less about lesbians.

      The ones that are invading our spaces are het men who have finally found a legal way to materialize their sick porn fantasies.

      What I don't understand is why don't women just say "no" to girldicks and other weird stuff and ignore it? Why do lesbians give attention to these douchebags? Had lesbians not reacted to them, they would leave our spaces and the problem would be solved by itself.

      [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Most of them are looking for lesbians now. At least around here. There are only 2 that I know that are into men and the rest are “lesbians.” Trans people will always exist, for sure. What I want to see is way more gatekeeping to prevent creepy dudes who are not trans from invading female spaces. Trans people pretending that no one claims to be trans and then does creepy shit is such nonsense. There are many instances of this. And way more gatekeeping for kids and teens to prevent mistakes being made. Etc

      [–]mangosplums 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Exactly. This is what I agree with. Most of the people who are claiming to be trans these days aren’t. But saying that will get you called a horrible bigot, how dare you gate-keep, how dare you tell someone else who they are, only they know that. It’s bull shit. I have no problem with trans people, I have a problem with the self ID policy that that community insists on. There needs to be gate-keeping. Predatory men posing as trans people are not a myth.

      [–]Ricky_Ticky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yep, I am in Europe and I can sense that it has gotten a lot worse in the US

      [–]florasis 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The point is that traditionally transwomenwere homosexual males who were super effeminate. The hetero dude of today are new thing supported by gender ideology

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]Ricky_Ticky 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        I meant if a trans woman is attracted to men, she must be a straight trans woman. I hear a lot from gay guys how ftms approach them in clubs or on dating apps. Gay guys just say no and walk away.

        But it is completely different within the lesbian community. Some of us dare to say the truth and we do not buy into this inclusiveness bs (that's why we are here). But many other women who call themselves lesbians are gladly bowing to all this crap. Why is it like that?

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          [–]Ricky_Ticky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In that respect transwomen who are into men are gay? I got confused :)

          [–]mangosplums 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I don’t agree that they’d go away if lesbians didn’t give them attention, but I agree with the rest. I don’t have a problem with most trans people and I think it’s a real thing. It’s that now predatory men are allowed to pass as trans women and get away with preying on us and if you say something about it you’re called a bigot. That’s what I have a problem with.

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            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            It disturbs people because it’s fucking disturbing, and kids who are socially transitioned younger have less of a chance of desisting, according the Dr James Cantor. No shit, their parents are going along with it when they are that young, of course they are more likely to stay that way.

            [–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I tried to tell one of my straight best friends about the phenomenon and all the crap that was happening on reddit around last fall sometime. She's been roped in by her tech company into doing the "gender diversity trainings" at her job (aka they're using her hyper codependent niceness and makes a great handmaiden, apparently has a female "they" boss who she has to go around reminding everyone this boss is a "they"). Her response? "Oh, you should just get to know more trans people!" and "Reddit is male dominated" (she's never had a reddit account)---I was like "yeah, you are so close to getting it". She then told me about one of her acquaintances who is a "queer woman" who has a partner that went full on mastectomy, phalloplasty, etc' "No one would EVER do that if they weren't born in the wrong body". I haven't raised the subject since. I also have several other friends/aquintances that just form what they've been posting about JKR on Facebook knowing that my even attempting to say anything would just get me unfriended and banished for "terfiness"

            [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I know plenty of trans people. Some are wonderful. Most that I know have loads of mental health problems and overlapping conditions, and some shouldn’t ever have transitioned. It’s harming them. If someone has mental illness they should be treated carefully and thoughtfully. Not pushed into radical lifelong changes where they will be lucky if they find a partner. It’s heartbreaking to me. To see them so lonely. Especially since it didn’t have to be.

            Almost 100% of them are rabid about terfs. Real black and white thinking. For some reason they are still my friends, but it’s probably because they know I don’t mean harm. It helps that I have known them all for years, I guess. It also helps that I am known to be honest. People can be awesome and smart and interesting, and then flip into nutcase mode over this stuff. They have been conditioned. It is very much like a cult. Lots of them are good people that can’t shake it. It’s like how religious nuts are conditioned to think we are going to hell.

            My main problem with all of this is that I do not believe in the “wrong body” idea. There is nothing more self-hating than thinking your body is wrong. It’s the opposite of everything I believe in. Having healthy bodies that work is a gift. Instead of losing it over our bodies we should be trying to be more “body neutral.” Like, be active and healthy as much as we can, but not obsessing about ourselves because it’s a huge waste of a life, and totally ignores all of the really amazing things our bodies actually do for us.

            For this reason I am against all cosmetic surgery and bullshit unless it is really needed. It’s not just trans that bothers me, it’s how we end up (especially women) internalizing bullshit and thinking our bodies need to change. I don’t want to get to the end of my life and think about how much time I wasted on feeling ugly or wrong.

            [–]LesbiSilly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I looked up 'Lesbian groups' in my area and all that came up was QUEER CRAP! And no, there aren't any 'support groups' for lesbians (or gays). Also, I agree. I think I would sound like a crazy person if I shared this or this forum with my family. I feel like such a crazy rebel over here. But at least my mom was chill about this all- I DID tell her about this group. I am just worried I will be looked down on (or screamed at) for joining this """Hate-sub""" That's not actually hateful.

            I also feel weird that I know transpeople who call themselves lesbian and one even asked me out. (I didn't even make it to date #1, because I had a freakout, thankfully. But I felt SO BAD about not 'going out' with this person.) I just... I can't deal with this crap!

            [–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            What about showing screenshots (there are a lot) while telling people?

            [–]plumedoomer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I think a lot of straight people know lesbians are the low man on the totem pole. But, I think they think it's just a quirk of "the community" and don't understand how serious it is.

            I mean, even Dave Chappell knew. The dynamic between lesbians and gay men is kind of apparent and they definitely know the Ts are dominating everything. You haven't even really heard about gays and lesbians in the mainstream since 2012. It's just bis and trans.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I wish we could go back to the days where lesbians and gay men had a subtle and practiced disdain for one another instead of being booted right out of the community by people who are not even LGB