How to get -40 votes in just 12 minutes by stating facts on reddit

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[–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

It's like why even bother commenting? "True Reddit" my ass. I guess it is "true reddit" in the sense that it's controlled by shills and censored to hell. I assume I'll be banned from the sub within the hour, once the mods notice my comments.

Just another DNC-shill controlled subreddit like the rest of reddit.

What I'm saying even backs up the point made in the article itself. Reddit is an absolute dumpster fire.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

And that's exactly what every reactionary has said to me, literally every single time I've ended a discussion due to intransigence. I could set my watch to it. It's fucking boring.

They know how to shoot around the facts.
And then retreat.

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah when they just accuse the "way" you're saying something, or they just go for character assassination stuff (like looking through post history to find past posts that they can use to argue you're a "bad guy") then you know they've lost the argument. They have no logical rebuttal so they just resort to emotional smears. Their emotions literally won't let them think, it's pretty sad tbh, I feel pity for them. But the fact they censor my opinion, stated clearly and rationally, is the real problem.

[–]Chipit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And that's why we have the Pyramid of Debate at Saidit.

Seriously, posting here has helped me a lot in arguing on other sites. I can point out when other people aren't arguing, and make my points well. I used to get angry when I got ad hominem attacks from them, but now I just smile because that means they don't have any arguments. Because if they did, they'd be using them.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I used to get angry when I got ad hominem attacks from them, but now I just smile because that means they don't have any arguments. Because if they did, they'd be using them.

Well said. I've noticed a similar progression in myself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is the way. Of the left.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It got to -155 before being removed by the mods. I don't understand. The subs side bar says "Please follow the sub's rules and reddiquette". Doesn't reddiquette say not to downvote on-topic comments?!?

https://www.reveddit.com/v/TrueReddit/comments/rtw32l/prepare_for_rightwing_us_dictatorship_before_2030/hqvf9rm/?ps_after=1641090478%2C1641099526&add_user=magnora7..c.new.all.t1_hqvew5r.&

[–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Your comment makes me want to support saidit even more than I do. Sadly I don't have the time that I used to have but what a great admin.

[–]spelllingchamp 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Well I guess the downvoting has stopped because some mod deleted your post lol

[–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Yup, seems so. Just as I predicted. But when I'm logged in, it still shows it as existing and being there. So they shadowdeleted it, so it looks like it's all still there to me when it's not.

For posterity, the comment was:

As opposed to the current left-wing dictatorship that's locking everyone in their houses in Canada? Over a disease twice as deadly as the flu?

The way the left has been acting the last two years is going to move a lot of people to the right.

However the whole left-right dichotomy is just another divide-and-conquer mechanism, to give us only two choices when in actuality both choices are controlled.

edit: This sub is allergic to the truth, judging by the votes. Wish I could say I was surprised.

Apparently this thoughtcrime is literally verboten on "true reddit". Thank goodness the shills were able to get it to -153 to keep it hidden for the 3 hours until the mods had some time to delete it. Thank goodness! Wouldn't want information to be freely exchanged or anything. /s

Lmao. What a joke.

[–]BravoVictor 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Reddit censor: "Looks like someone's had a bit too much to think!"

Honestly, that's one of the most generic and benign comments I've seen removed on Reddit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's only because we don't see what they remove. ;-)

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I seem to have a knack for saying exactly the thing no one wants to hear but is true

[–]spelllingchamp 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you can always see your own posts if others delete it. Other people (and bots) can see your posts too.... it just doesn't show up in the subreddit.

[–]Node 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit is an intellectual ghetto. Expecting them to accept facts or actual reality is setting your expectations way too high.

I hear there are still some niche subs, and I occasionally click on game sub results, but the average user is mostly a human bot.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I think reddit comments are about 70% bots and shills at this point, not joking one bit. It's a wasteland.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you did a fine job. Fuck Canada.

[–]Brewdabier 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hell I got 84 downvotes for a comment I made then banned. 159 total downvotes on an account t that was seven days old

[–]dingoatemytaco 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Sorry - magnora - but here's the rub:

Left-wing is traditionally pro-democracy, pro-social wealfare (inc. vaccines), pro-safety for the 99%, pro-universal healthcare, pro-environment, pro-99%, pro-clean water, peo-parks, pro-education, pro-diversity, pro-small business, pro-affordable houseing, pro-check and balance pollitical system, pro-progressive approaches to society.

Right-wing is essentially the opposite of all of that.

Regarding Nazis - note that they changed their approaches during the 1930s - first as the people's party of national socialism, and then gradually - by 1939 a fascist dictatorship that promised to be the same as 9 years earlier but oviously was quite the opposite. Much of what they became is actually noted in Machiavelli's texts on state-craft, which was also influential on Musolini. I have a page of parallels betreen Machiavelli and Germany in 1939 if you'd like to see it.

[–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I used to think that too, when I was in college and highschool. It made sense to think that way after the Iraq war and what Bush and co did.

But then we saw what Obama did in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guantanamo Bay. Drone bombings. And as this is happening the left is supporting war? Supporting Israel attacking Palestine? Supporting China?

Too big to fail, bailing out billionaires. How does this help the little guy again?

Both Republicans and Democrats are corrupt as fuck and neither care about you at all. They control both sides. They get what they want and pretend to give you the illusion of choice by which figurehead runs the machinery of the banks and military industrial complex. It's so obvious once you see it, you can't un-see it. If your memory is long enough, it's impossible to deny.

The US government is a corporatocracy. Run by corporations. It does not matter if you choose pepsi vs coke. Either way, they make money.

[–]dingoatemytaco 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think we agree on this, especially because many Democrats haven't done enough to oppose the Republican-majority Senate since 2011. I think Obama failed to be a strong president, as did much of his party, which could have worked much harder to deal with the manipulations of the Republicans. But they failed. For 10 years we've seen a failure of the Democrats to take back control and we've seen numerous abuses of Republicans. So - yes - in practice, the 'Left' hasn't stepped up - because they couldn't or because they wouldn't. But we also know that the Republicans have done everything in their power to limit legislation that would help the 99%, feather the nests of the 1% with tax breaks (some of which Dems supported), and that both parties deserve credit for the abuses you mention. My view is that none of this should be oversimiplified, but instead understood as the complicated situation it is, that there are those in congress who for 10 years have consistently developed extreme income inequality, and that there are those who've been elected to help the 99%, and that there are only 2 parties who will have a major voice in the US elections, and it's important to vote into office only those who are truly in the party that tries to support the 99%. Regarding the military industrial complex: that is the hardest to change or control. Regarding jobs bills, taxing the rich, regulating offshore accounts, regulating Big Corp, spending on Education, etc, etc, there are Dems who have been and will continue working on those kinds of progressive developments, and I see that 99% of Republicans have not and will not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you start your talk of history at 2011 but it was long before that, thousands of years before actually, leaders often promise people things to get support then reneg on it. Why ever vote for a dem, they will never deliver. No one in govt will help you, the only reason to vote is for lower taxes. Which likely won't happen but definitely don't vote hoping for things like healthcare or things to be given to you.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right-wing is essentially the opposite of all of that.

Sadly, this is what people think who live in a censored bubble.

If one side understands the other better, and by extension probably their arguments better too, and still holds their position...that speaks to the strength of their position.

http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

When faced with questions such as "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal" or "Justice is the most important requirement for a society," leftists assumed that rightists would disagree.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150428090025/http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/

Jonathan Haidt's experiments ask liberals and conservatives to fill out questionnaires about their values, then to predict how someone from the opposite tribe would fill out the questionnaire. He finds that rightists are able to predict leftists' answers just fine and seem to have a pretty good understanding of their worldviews, but that leftists have no idea how the right thinks or what they value.

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The headline is about stupid. The right wingers want a divorce from the USA. They don't want to run it especially with all the blue lefty shithole cities and states. Just shed those bastards off and split up.

[–]Gravi 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not worth it, Redditors believe they're something above everyone, they argue by voicing insults on others, asking for sources here and there if it actually mattered, which it does not. Reddit has left wing subreddits but no right wing ones (at least I have not found a single one). You can very easily see where their agenda lies, where their political bias lies, it is a pure safe space, Eco chamber, a fucking bubble that they all sit in and shit on each other because the government or CNN told them it is good to do so. It's hilariously sad to see these pretenders.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's sad. /r/conspiracy is probably the most right-leaning sub on reddit, but it's even quite centrist compared to actual right-leaning forums. It's the space they relegated the 'crazy people' to, so the rest of reddit can ignore them and call them crazy lol. But sometimes the information there can be quite interesting. There's a lot of garbage though too, of course.

[–]solder0 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think only a few forums have undercover people who aren't like this, I mean you'd be surprised how long people stick with something even when it sucks. Reddit has even outlived digg! I believe that you are right though, most redditors are bots or paid shills

BTW, I know I'm late but happy new year.

[–]terflon 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

that was possibly the dumbest thing I've read in weeks, magnora you're as dense as a neutron star and your brain is equally as smooth. you don't actually believe the left right dichotomy as* a tool for division, you just see that as a talking point that might sway others to "your side." cowards.

[–]jamesK_3rd 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Wait what are you refuting? Can you even read?

I've read multiple posts from you recently and it looks like your handlers may not know you've ventured to a new website. Be advised that outside of Reddit you actually must make a statement, validated by evidence.

You can shit post like that at Reddit and everyone will tell you how wonderful you are, here, I'd just like to be the first to tell you to lay off the Xanax for a day or two and maybe you might still have a few brain cells left to form an actual thought.

[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

it is literally true

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    [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Do not advocate violence. It is against saidit rules.

    [–]Node 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    It's less advocating violence than simply the best video I've seen so far this year. But I've edited to less inspirational verbiage.

    Anyway, it's my belief that this pro-globalhomo and anti-hate/violence push is signaling that we're near the end of humanity (as we've known it).

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Last advocating violence warning. You already have 2 warnings noted on your account from that one admin a while back.

    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The comment one up the thread is ugly ad hominems from a brand new account. https://saidit.net/s/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/8r32/how_to_get_40_votes_in_just_12_minutes_by_stating/wg6x

    [–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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