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[–]BravoVictor 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

It's almost too depressing to watch. So many people with so many mental illnesses...

Really is a goldmine. Here's my favorite from /r/politics:

"Currently in Texas having a panic attack. It's not like I didn't see this coming, but it certainly feels different now that it's here.

Super stressed about having to move. Been squirreling away money like a motherfucker since the bounty hunter bill passed. Luckily my boyfriend isn't a total asshole, so we haven't been having that kind of sex, even though we're definitely very safe normally. Absolutely not worth a fuck up right now.

Fuck everything. I can't wait to get the hell out of this shitty fucking state. Feeling seriously sorry for anyone who can't afford to move. I mean, living in Texas always sucked -- it's hot, 1/2 the surface area of my city is covered in parking lots, no public transportation, the real estate market is going absolutely bananas, so it's not even that cheap anymore -- but this is the kick in the ass I needed.

Idk what the fuck is going to happen to this country. I wasn't really sold on having children anyway, but I'm getting my tubes tied as soon as a physician will see me. That decision has been made for me."

Supports my theory that this is a great decision, not just because it helps life, but it'll also help drive out lunatic lefties from red states.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Darwinism in action.

It's not popular to say but the vast majority of these young anti-natalists will change their minds and want kids when they are older.

People are so obsessed with control when it comes to families and kids they would rather castrate themselves than admit these things are mostly beyond your control.

And of course that obsession with control is to benefit employers, tax payers and men who don't want responsibility for their actions, not mostly women.

Which then raised the other point, you are mostly going to be paying for these extra babies. Not just in raising them but also the crime they are going to cause because they mostly wont have fathers who stick around.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Or to put it more bluntly: overturning RvW will ruin many lives of the 99%. The popularity of it among the far right so-called evangelist "christian" one issue voters will help with the midterm elections in GOP gerrymandered states and more GOP candidates continue to destroy the lower and middle classes in the US, so that their corporate and wealthy donors can reap a minor financial profit. The 60% of Americans who favour RvW no longer matter because of the 6:3 GOP hack majority in the Supreme Court. Packing the Supreme Court with GOP hacks was specifically for this purpose. They're doing what they're told to do. Saiditors who complain about government overreach should be very concerned that this is happening. It will immediately create serious problems for millions of women (and men) in 22 states when it reaches a vote. I hope there will be numerous protests.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think you need to remember that women are one of the most anti-abortion demographics.

This issue has very much been legislated in a top down way rather than letting working class and religious women work out for themselves what's for the best.

Likely they will need to learn the hard way before this issue is finally solved.

I think this is likely why America has such a problem with this issue compared to the rest of the West, it's always one side trying to win over the other by force or tactics rather than discussing what's the best compromise in a difficult topic.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not sure why you'd write this. I include women in my arguments. The compromise was RvW. The US GOP have worked for the past 40 years to promise this overturing of the compromise RvW, in order to get votes from crazy far right religious people who turn a blind eye to abuses of the GOP, in order to push a religious agenda that's not Christian in the least. Without that agenda, the GOP know they cannot get sufficient votes.

The percentage of 'pro-life' women is recently (2021) approximately 43%, which is 7% less than the percentage of 'pro-life' men. And of that 43%, 78% are 'conservative', only 17% are liberal, 75% attend religious services weekly, and 62% have not attended college. This is informative of the kinds of people who have time to answer a Gallup poll, it's informative of the percentage of votes for Trump and similar rapists. 40% of US individuals support the overturning of RvW.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think this is likely why America has such a problem with this issue compared to the rest of the West, it's always one side trying to win over the other by force or tactics rather than discussing what's the best compromise in a difficult topic.

That's why overturning Roe v Wade is good because instead of one answer being forced by the federal government, the people of each state can participate in considering this complicated moral issue.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, because women are always the victims and men and the patriarchy are responsible for all of society's ills.

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ah yes the traditional racist reply that most of these kids will grow up to be drug dealers and gang bangers.

The argument is asinine. And neither you nor the govt should be allowed to determine which groups of children are expendable or to deem the economic status of the parent means the children are viable.

If you and people like you would put half the thought and energy in getting rid of all govt welfare programs for people and corporations, things would be different. But everyone has a spot on the teat I suppose.

[–]noshore4me 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where did the person you're replying to mention race at all?

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Government welfare programs don't cause women to get pregnant, that's men.

If anything welfare programs decrease abortions because people can support their kids. Black women have some of the highest abortion rates and highest welfare, so welfare isn't causing them to have more or less kids. Rather it's purposely created cultural breakdown which has caused more extramarital sex. They only think about the money needed to raise the kids after the fact.

see

https://thejoyfulpatriarchywife.com/2021/09/02/the-horror-i-witnessed-inside-the-womens-liberation-movement/

https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2012/07/when-having-babies-beats-marriage

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/the-disconnect-between-marriage-and-motherhood/

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Government welfare programs don't cause women to get pregnant, that's men.

Women and men are equally responsible for causing pregnancy. Each one made the same decision to take their pants off.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

She's a TERF, they think men are the cause of all problems in life and should be exterminated.

[–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Humanity cannot continue to exist without both women and men. The most important factor in raising well adjusted children is having both parents involved.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humanity shouldn't continue to exist and the whole simulation needs to be shut down because it's 1984 cognitive slavery. Including being forced to constantly perform sexual functions as the whole meaning of your life.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been working both ways.

A lot of the blue who claim to love freedom and hate oppression have been leaving states like Cali, NY, Illinois or Maryland heading to places like Florida, Texas, Tennessee or Idaho.

They go all in except when it comes to their spot on the teat, or it goes after their preferred crony capitalism corporation like Disney,

If there's one thing we've been shown over the past three years, it's that the list of people who will actually stand up for freedom is very, very small. Bro dudes mask their kids in between gym sessions and rant about how it's unfair they govt masks the kids. Rednecks with a home arsenal wait in line to get a jab that makes more likely to get the virus, because their govt told them they had to comply.

While none of us know what the actual decision says yet, generally I think this is good. But the govt aborts real live adults now. They forbid early treatment for whatever, unless you were a certain class of individual, like the governor of Maryland, they prevented normies from getting monoclonal antibodies, and now unless you're jabbed they can prevent you from getting cancer treatment or a transplant.

So this is a good thing, but I fear justice is winning this time because why bother with child sacrifice when you can have the adults too.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Luckily my boyfriend isn't a total asshole, so we haven't been having that kind of sex,

"My boyfriend is so sweet, after Roe V Wade got repealed he would only do anal."

[–]Dr_Bukkake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I guarantee this same cunt was all about mask mandates and forcing people to get the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Out of no where, the Supreme Court has decided to go after Roe vs Wade.

This was expected by everyone watching the appointments of GOP hacks (against the standards of appointing Supreme Court Justices). Absolutely not 'out of no where'. It's been obvious for years.

As good feminist allies (along with being incels) the majority of Redditors are melting down at the moment.

60% of US adults support RvW.

Overturning RvW will ruin many lives of the lower and middle classes. The decision to overturn it is NOT about justice. It's about midterm election GOP votes, and about extreme right-wing 'christians' who've hijacked much of the GOP. It's also class warfare.

[–]Norseman_Horseman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's also class warfare

Lol

[–]AcceleratedWallops 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"lol"? If you think the wealthy won't still be getting abortions, you are sorely msitaken

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Being pro-life isn't extreme

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I didn't say it is.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Overturning RvW will ruin many lives of the lower and middle classes. The decision to overturn it is NOT about justice. It's about midterm election GOP votes, and about extreme right-wing 'christians' who've hijacked much of the GOP. It's also class warfare.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

do you see pro-life in any of that?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

As an insider to the conservative world I would say the rights of the unborn is one of the few things they still genuinely care about. The mainstream media is fake news, they present anti-abortion stances as attacks on womens' autonomy, when that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The MSM is not 'fake news'. The MSM does not have a single voice on anything. It doesn't help to simplify approaches to facts and journalism.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Journalism is almost all progressives, such an unbiased and trustworthy source. They control pretty much all media except Fox News.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

when that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

In what fucking way bro

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Because the problem is killing the baby, not women controlling their bodies.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I left Reddit due to the awful treatment of so many there if it was a sub where your opinion was not in line with the others. And yes, most were dominated by the liberals but the Conservative sub, of which I am, was a cess pool as well. I see small signs of this happening here in the short time I've been here. Was trying to find a decent forum where discussing politics and other subjects were not dominated by one side vs another and the ability to spew filth. City-Data.com is pretty good as the moderation will remove anyone getting out of hand but it also seems to be a dying forum as well. That being said as a Christian I am conflicted. I do not wish an abortion on any woman but I also believe there should be exemptions for say rape and incest. It's not easy for me to even go along with this much but I have softened my opinions on this over the years. And admittedly, I do not have the answers at all.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's true that conservatives dominate the argument here, every forum is probably going to have a majority. But the nice thing is that you're allowed to express disagreement without getting banned. If there's a particular user who is overly hostile, you can just block them. Saidit isn't perfect, but there aren't a lot of options out there right now.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No doubt. This is far from being Reddit but a few I've read make me wonder if it is Reddit lite.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The difference here is they haven't infiltrated the admin team and seized control over the site itself and every major sub (yet).

[–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What else are you expecting on hot button political issues where the opinions are mutually exclusive and there is zero middle ground?

The left sees abortion as both life saving healthcare and way to untether human biology from responsibility so sex can become a commodity.

The right see abortion as literal murder.

The left will never settle for just a little life saving healthcare or a little commodity sex.

The right will never settle for just a little murder.

There is no middle ground. Inevitably, tempers flair as each side sees the other as a monster standing in the way of correcting an injustice.

I'd agree with you insofar that I just don't have the energy for all the toxic negativity, even if I do believe liberals are horribly immoral and especially hypocritical on the topic of abortion. But hey, the Internet is where people vent.

[–]buffalo_fart_the_IV 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Musk should go after Reddit next. They'll have nowhere to go.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He should leak all their default mod chats.

[–]AXXA 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

This is a big boost for freedom and equal rights. Now all of the people of each state will be free to participate in the relevant fashioning of laws in their states. Previously the freedom of the people and the states to do so was subjugated by the federal government. This resulted in the inequality of mothers having more power than fathers over the lives of their babies.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Even if you wish to argue that an unborn first trimester fetus is 50% the property of a man (though it's not), the 50% ownership of the fetus by the mother would give her as much right to determine what is best for her and the fetus. Overturning RvW would remove that right from the woman in 22 states. The rights of the man would be greater than those of the mother. Moreover, one can easily show that the mother has much greater than 50% of the right to determine what is best for her and the fetus. Men who want to have children can make arrangements with women who want to have children. Men do not have the right to force women to have children, regardless of unethical laws in some states.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Do you not see the problem with considering a person someone's property in the first place?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

'property' is not the issue. A fetus is part of the mother, part of her body.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

So we should just have a mater familias system where children are nothing more than an extension of their mother who owns them to the point of having the right to kill them?

[–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Stop asking u/socks hard questions! It's wacists!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

work on your reading comprehension

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

WACIST

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I'm stupidist.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

That's not related to my comment.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yes it is, because you are basically saying that a baby is just part of its mother and has no rights of its own.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

that's not what I wrote, nor is it implied in what I wrote

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You said a fetus is part of the mother's body and therefore the mother can do whatever she wants with it.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No. I wrote:

Even if you wish to argue that an unborn first trimester fetus is 50% the property of a man (though it's not), the 50% ownership of the fetus by the mother would give her as much right to determine what is best for her and the fetus. Overturning RvW would remove that right from the woman in 22 states. The rights of the man would be greater than those of the mother. Moreover, one can easily show that the mother has much greater than 50% of the right to determine what is best for her and the fetus. Men who want to have children can make arrangements with women who want to have children. Men do not have the right to force women to have children, regardless of unethical laws in some states.

and then this:

'property' is not the issue. A fetus is part of the mother, part of her body.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Men do not have the right to force women to have children

According to who?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

(Ethical humans.)

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Looks like the supreme court disagrees with you about which humans are the ethical ones. Some people would argue women don't have the right to kill their husbands unborn children. How do you suggest we determine ethics in a democracy?

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Looks like the supreme court disagrees with you about which humans are the ethical ones.

The 1971-73 Supreme Court agreed obviously with RvW, as do I. The current Supreme Court is illegitimate, because it was packed with 3 GOP hacks by McConnell, adding to the 3 other GOP hacks who are there, and thus approved of Texas' recent abusive abortion law. That was the beginning of the end of RvW. It's unethical on several levels.

Some people would argue women don't have the right to kill their husbands unborn children.

The husband does not own a 1st trimester 5 cm, 18 g, fetus that has no consciousness, nor does he own the mother or the later stages of the fetus. The fetus is part of the mother's body. The mother has a right to look after her own safety, and to abort a fetus within the first trimester.

How do you suggest we determine ethics in a democracy?

Disband the electoral college, make gerrymandering illegal (again), make lobbying illegal (it's a corrupt industry), separate church and state (again), overturn the Citizens United decision, require term limits for all politicians to 2 terms max, require everyone to vote, make voting day a holiday, require the Fairness Doctrine (again), enforce penalties for politicians who lie to the public, and much more, but regarding abortion, provide free health care for women in their first trimester of pregnancy, require them at that time to see a free doctor, and the option to abort the fetus if necessary within that period, but not thereafter. Regarding ethics in democracy more generally, remind people to avoid emotivism, to examine their options carefully, and to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Virtue .

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

require them at that time to see a free doctor, and the option to abort the fetus if necessary within that period but not thereafter.

So would you agree with a ban on late term abortion if this free doctor option system you described were in place where?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's part of what I've written. If however the life of the woman is in danger, a doctor could advise on an abortion after the 1st term if absolutely necessary. Other countries do this.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For me, abortion is a men's right's issue. Married women have no right to abort their husbands baby, according to ethical humans.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Possession is nine-tenths of the law

A husband doesn't own the wife or the fetus, it's as simple as that. If however you bought your wife and/or baby in Afghanistan, you might own them. But in the US, we're not that fucked up (yet, if the GOP have their way).

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You might not have noticed this but men and women are different and take part in parenthood differently so should have different rights in that respect.

You seem to be seeing rights as all privilege and no responsibility.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let me guess: should women get all the rights and men all the responsibilities?

[–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mothers and fathers are equally responsible for their children. The bond between a responsible mother and child is no different from the bond between a responsible father and child.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe a little cheer I wrote will, uh... cheer them up.

Hip-da-Hannukah Monica Sonicah

Boost abortion WAAAAAY up!

[–]IkeConn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I enjoy watching lefties get all butt hurt.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

the decision will fuck over the 99%, regardless of political interest

[–]Norseman_Horseman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

99% of baby murderers.

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

why do you insist on being an imbecile?

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should have been aborted. Go ask your mom about it.

[–]SoCo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Reddit probably thinks Roe vs Wade is the only case-law about abortions and think it is a big deal.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

It's obviously a big deal. It will automatically make abortion illegal in 22 states.

[–]Norseman_Horseman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Good. Murdering babies is wrong.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

But government deciding what people can do with their bodies is ok?

True goals of this: 1. Organ harvesting 2. Inflating the labor supply to keep wages down

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People decide what to do with their own bodies. If you don't want to get pregnant, use birth control or don't have sex. Otherwise you accept the fucking consequences because that's how life works.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah the classic "rape isn't real", "ectopic pregnancies aren't real" argument. Conveniently ignore reality so you can expand control, typical conservative

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lmfao, I'm not a conservative. Nor did I say those things aren't real. 1) pregnancy from rape is the exception from the norm, like less than 1% of abortions, but pro choicers always conveniently focus on that and 2) ectopic pregnancy removal is medically necessary because it's impossible for the fetus to survive. Exceptions don't disprove the rule.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well too bad anti-abortion laws don't give a flying fuck about exceptions

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There are two bodies (or more), and only one of them is hers.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"women are incubators, not people", a classic

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you think being able to kill others for your convenience is a human right?

Because otherwise how would not letting pregnant women do so be seeing them as not people?

[–]SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's a bit misleading.

It being overturned will not cause that, but instead will allow a number of states more freedom to democratically vote to limit abortions (which many have already done).

Abortion law has many more case precedence impacting them, which will still be in affect. RvW was more of an established precedence of arguably-technically-flawed interpretation of other cases, rather than a direct precedence. The issue will simply fall back to its more core precedence components.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, 22 states have already arranged - via their elected politicians - to restrict abortions. The population of each state did not vote on this (eg. in a referendum). The elected officials voted. Thus all relatively 'red' states will have the politicians in place to vote for strict abortion laws without calling for a referendum. Among the worst examples is in Texas, the state where the original problems developed in 1971. These abortion laws abuse the middle and lower classes.

[–]AXXA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This decision gives the people greater freedom to put forth referendums to restrict or allow abortions.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, democracy decided those states wanted that. We have a representative government system and rarely directly vote on issues.

One person's protection is always someone else's abuse or oppression.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless you get rid of the matrix at least.

[–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You'd be surprised how many Redditors think Roe v Wade made abortion legal everywhere, or that the Mississippi case SCOTUS was considering wanted to ban all abortion.

Assuming SCOTUS does rescind Roe, it will actually be the most pro-choice action the court could have logically taken.

The Mississippi law this case was based on just wanted to redefine the point of viability at 15 weeks. Why's this important? Because Roe v Wade only bans abortion before the point of viability. But that decision was made back in the 70s. Medical science has come a long way since then. Now, a fetus is viable outside the womb much earlier, which is what the Mississippi law was written to update.

So the court had three basic ways to rule:

  1. Rule against the Mississippi law and ignore all the science that says a fetus can now survive outside the womb far earlier than 20 weeks. As much as the left would love to uphold the status quo, even they can't ignore science forever.
  2. Uphold the Mississippi law and redefine the point of viability nation wide as 15 weeks, effectively restricting abortion nation wide, even in blue states. The left would have fewer abortions, even in far left states where abortions are effectively state subsidized. Can't have that.
  3. Completely overturn Roe v Wade, and let states decide for themselves. The left will whine and moan and act like the world is ending, but this is the best possible solution, not just for them, but for everyone. It essentially maintains the status quo for blue states, so purple haired toxic feminists can keep on having all the "free" abortions they want, while it also unshackles red states so they can enact laws to end what they see as the murder of children in their states.

This is looking like a surprisingly good ruling. Abortion is obviously a controversial topic. Whatever choice society makes to address it should be done through representative means, not through 9 un-elected justices. What a majority of those justices did was to return that difficult decision to the people in a way that causes the least amount of disruption.

[–]FuckYourMom 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Duck Reddit.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who leaked this and why was this leaked? This is not normal.

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know if it's true or not but I did see that Sotomayor may have had it leaked? Still trying to track down the validity of that but it might be a place to start. Also yeah, this is super not normal.

[–]Norseman_Horseman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a lot of triggered baby murderers.

[–]Dr_Bukkake 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Liberals once again showing they are doing anything possible to get their way. Leaking the documents which has basically never happened in modern Supreme Court history. Same way Biden got 81 gabillion votes, the left is destroying this country and their actions will not be forgotten.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Conservatives trying to take away rights from 50% of the population

"ThE leFT iS DesTRoYinG tHiS CoUnTrY"

Jesus, you're a walking version of the bicycle meme

[–]HenryGeorgeOfficial 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Shouldn't TwoXChromosomes be a sub for people with Two X chromosomes?

[–]SerpensInferna 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh sweet summer child...

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chromosomes shouldn't exist in the first place (unless you want them ofc), fuck the matrix.

[–]RustyFoster 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thots and Sluts won't be able to escape motherhood that easily. George Takei is having a meltdown on Twitter over it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It takes two to tango.

[–]AntiSemit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haha guess you guys are only pro-freeDUMB when it suits you, huh?

[–]yabbit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol they glassed a million iraqis but this is what gets them mad? Not being able to kill your babies? Fucking weird ass country.