Medical Examiner's Office source: Only 1 to 2 percent of 'COVID deaths' were really COVID (via communities.win)

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[–]zyxzevn[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The article is about a Medical Examiner from NY. About something that we all know.
So linked direct to discussion.

To keep it simple:
(1) In many countries, any death within a month after a positive test was considered a Covid Death.
This also included traffic accidents, suicide, drugs and murders. But did not include death during arrest by police.
(2) All common tests gave false positives. Most countries used the PCR test.
The PCR test (cycles >30) gives 99% false positives. That is already 99% of the deaths.
PCR can also gives false positives on the cold or influenza.
When the PCR test was not used, the positives dropped by 50x or more.
(3) Hospitals got money for Covid deaths, causing them to write down "Covid" for profits.
Family got insurance money when they allowed to "Covid" as a cause of death, so they rarely protested. (4) Patients who were ill and had positive test outcome were treated with the worst medical interventions possible.

Most damaging treatments were: differs per area
(a) suicide drug (medozilam?) ,
(b) ventilators (puts people in coma and can destroy lungs),
(c) remdesivir (gives kidney failures),
(d) Overdosed HCQ at late stage more info
(e) Complete isolation (causes severe depression),
(f) no basic antibiotic treatment for bacterial lung-infection (bacteria are often the killers)
(g) lack of Vitamin-D
(h) continued use of "anti-cancer" drugs that damage the immune system.
(i) badly treated diabetes.
(j) blood pressure drugs (that use ACE-2 pathway)

Top cause of death after 2020:
The mRNA injections, DNA injections, called CovidVax. Also called bioweapon.

[–]In-the-clouds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a good summary. With so many problems that were allowed to go on and kill or injure our fellow man, it should be obvious that we have no good leadership in the top positions of power. None of them actually love the people they are supposed to serve. I wish people would wake up and realize they need to start thinking for themselves and scrutinize everything they are told.

If anyone has any questions, let him pray to God. He will guide them into all truth. Everyone who sincerely desires the truth shall find it.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I recently linked to patriots.win. But that was because the topic was the original page being 404'd. I thought about ways of gettting around this, but decided the conversation replies were worth reading as apposed to reuploading a title and 404 screen cap as it was not my own content.

So yes. No real justification here.

Oh and the topic was:

LMAO - The Telegraph has 404'd its article about Zelensky asking the spirit cooking witch Marina Abramovic to be an ambassador for Ukraine. - TheDonald

Rather unbelievable that they are even trying that. Or of how this is in the mainstream.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zelensky-asks-spirit-cooker-marina-abramovic-be-ambassador-ukraine-help-rebuild-schools

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. I saw that too.
It is weird how they have chosen someone who identifies as a witch and does things with spirits.
But they already used a transgender to promote the war.

Those in power chose insane people to promote insane politics, so people do not notice how insane those politics are.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

OH, I think people are starting to notice.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

It is ironic that this links to a website idolizing Trump, as if he were the Savior of the world. Trump was the president when the clot-shot received FDA emergency use authorization. Why do the Trump worshipers not remember Operation Warp Speed?

It is better to trust the Lord than to put confidence in man. Jesus is the Savior who died on the cross and rose again, and who will return to restore order after the Great Tribulation.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

What did warp speed actually do? And what do you think Trump was supposed to do? They outlawed hydroxychloroquine because he mentioned it ONCE! Follow up Question. What do you think the job of President of the United States entails?

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

/u/zyxzevn addressed the Trump drug you asked about, in his summary of all the problems with the COVID:

(d) Overdosed HCQ at late stage

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Yes. They overdosed already dying patients, who were far past point of rescue in order to push a narrative that it was dangerous. Which was to both erroneously prove Trump wrong, and to coerce people into taking an experimental drug treatment.

the Trump drug

The drug that appears on a list of essential drugs by the U.N, is not a "Trump drug". It is a 'Hans Andersag drug', if anything.

After World War I, the German government sought alternatives to quinine as an anti-malarial. Chloroquine, a synthetic analogue with the same mechanism of action was discovered in 1934, by Hans Andersag and coworkers at the Bayer laboratories.

You useless fluid stained muppet. Do you think zyxzevn supports your statements? Because they do not. You are now actively petitioning against your own anti-Trump points.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Trump praised HCQ, said he took it, and yet still got infected with COVID and was hospitalized for it, and after all that, still he took the Pfizer "vaccine".

You and /u/zyxzevn clearly do not want to admit that Trump has any responsibility for any of the adverse events and deaths due to the government regulations and his own recommendations, even though he was the president and top leader of America when the man-made virus was released onto the world's population. He was still in charge when the COVID shots were pushed through the FDA at warp speed.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I guess I have to repeat myself. Now answer the Questions you originally ignored to get us here.

  • What did warp speed actually do?

  • What do you think Trump was supposed to do?

  • What do you think the job of President of the United States entails?

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Questions you originally ignored to get us here.

I was the first to post here, before you decided to add your questions. We didn't arrive here together.

Are you asking because you want to debate, or because you don't know the answers and are beginning to change your mind about the possible role the Trump White House played in the deaths and adverse effects of the man-made pandemic?

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wanted to know your understanding. Which appears to be a flat out denial of reality.

Sad.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Very important: The HCQ overdosing was not by the doctors that promoted it.
Doctor Valdimir Zelenko designed a combination with Zinc and noticed huge differences.
So he wrote to (president) Trump to use this protocol. And Trump tried to bring it to the public.
And if it was used they would have saved 99% of Covid patients.

That is how well it worked. Probably worked also with the flu.
Because the zinc kills the virus, and the HCQ brings the zinc into the cells.

The drug was widely used before for all kinds of treatments and the risks were known very well.
It was safe to use in normal dose, probably 10x lower.
Used everywhere in Africa.

There are many medicine that worked well.
Full list of ALL medicine studies on http://c19early.com

The dose that was promoted by the FDA was 3x overdose, breaking all previous known protocols.
The FDA dose was designed to kill.
So the doctors that followed the FDA or government guidelines exactly, depending on the country, were overdosing people with it.

So if Trump / Zelenko would have gotten his way, there would be almost no Covid.
And there would be NO "vaccine".
And this would have saved lots of people.

Sadly "The Science" Fauci was controlling the politics and medical treatments.
So he and Big Pharma did everything to stop HCQ from being used.
Fauci had actually successfully used HCQ to treat SARS1 (in a lab), so he knew that it should work.

But $1 treatments do not make profits....
So to make people fear HCQ, the FDA started the overdose murder protocol.
And according to a doctor from New Zealand, they also started murdering people the same way.
But I have not seen a verifiable report on that.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How well is Zinc and Quinine supported?

https://www.earthclinic.com/mobile/cures/coronavirus/quinine-and-zinc/

Or more to the point, club soda and basic Zinc supplements?

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think Quinine is a less powerfull version? So it probably works.
Instead of HCQ, one can even use green tea extract.
Natural remedies are certainly possible.
Ivermectin is also natural, produced by special ground bacteria.

One thing that we may have learned from covid,
is that we need to go back to natural medicine again.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's pretty much my guess work as well. It seems... viable...

😬 😅

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So if Trump / Zelenko would have gotten his way, there would be almost no Covid. And there would be NO "vaccine".

Trump was the Commander in Chief. He had his way, and he chose (he says) to take the "vaccine" and give the pharmaceutical companies billions of US dollars, a debt added to taxpayers.

May 2020 - Trump says he took hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to prevent infection.

October 2020 - Trump tested positive for COVID. If that's true, then HCQ did not protect him from being infected.

January 2021 - Trump says he took the Pfizer "vaccine". This is after taking HCQ, and after being hospitalized for COVID.

How do his choices make any sense? For Trump, according to his own words, HCQ did not protect him from being hospitalized with COVID. It looks like HCQ was a worthless drug that he earlier praised. And then he took the "vaccine." Why would he want to take the snake bite.... He was already infected.... Didn't he build up a natural immunity to the virus? And what happened to his favored drug, HCQ? Did he quit taking it?

Fuaci....He is a fall guy. You know this, right? You bring him up, focusing blame on him, which helps make Trump look innocent. It's hard to get this civil war started unless the deceived citizens have a "savior" to rally behind. As for me, I will stay faithful to Jesus and follow no other.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I added the link, because I found the discussion more useful than the actual article.
Because most already knew that 1% in the beginning of 2020.

If you hate Trump for Operation Warp Speed, you can enjoy the supporters coping with the 1% fact.
Or you may look into the discussion and see what points they raise.

The sad thing is that so many people fell for the Covid scam, and many people still do.
So it may be interesting to see how we may convince them.
I don't think any of your religious statements will work, but you are free to try.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I do not hate anyone. I hate the lies. Our fellow humans are deceived by multiple lies and deceptions. There seems to be a lie tailored for each of us. If they didn't catch you with one lie, they will try to get you to fall into another.

Attention is taken away from the only hope for the salvation of mankind and being redirected into something evil, like a civil war where American kills his fellow American. The leaders are breeding hatred among fellow citizens, to cause them to do the dirty work of creating chaos. I wish people would stop following bad leaders. There is only one good leader, and that is Jesus. And I wish the bad leaders would repent, and themselves be saved.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

There is only one good leader, and that is Jesus.

All of the Red Letter text in the bible was written by men.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jesus did not write the words he spoke with his own mouth down on paper with his hands. His disciples recorded his words for all to read, even 2,000 years later.... now in this time of the last generation. But the blood that Jesus shed for us on the cross was red.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

But the blood that Jesus shed for us on the cross was red.

That sounds profound, but is ultimately meaningless. Are you a writer for Rings of Power?

Now tell me. Which of these is the greater sin:

  • Mistranslating the words of God.

  • Embellishing The words of God.

  • Speaking on Gods behest by proclaiming the words meaning.

  • Changing the definition of words to retroactively change the meaning of the words of God.

  • Assuming the meaning of words spoken thousands of years ago are meant for you, and not the people he was speaking to at that time.

  • Giving your moral compass, you owe to God over to those who control the text you read.

  • Not even understanding the sources of the scripture you cling to.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The greater sin is questioning God's word with the intention of causing others to stumble. It would be better for a millstone to be hung around his neck and himself sunk under the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones who believe in Jesus.

Woe unto you, lawyers! You debate and question the law while making no effort to enter the open door that leads to life, and also prevent those who want to go in!

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. Just going to mischaracterize, and attribute those words to your own comments are you?

Your vanity is absolute.

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sounds completely crazy, but the fact that I can't do a SELECT * from dead_people WHERE <....> on anonymized preferably global data is the real problem. If such a thing had existed, a medical examiner only would have to share a computer program to show they are right, but right now it's all a bunch of anecdotes worth nothing.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sadly my hopes that we ever get real clarity on this are pretty faint. An anonymous medical examiner is not much of a source, but at the same I'm well aware that anyone in that position would fear for their job and reputation if they put their name on a statement like that publicly. Nothing it says is unbelievable, but anything from like 0.1% to 25% is all about equally believable.

It seems almost impossible to get the kind of data you'd need to dig into this without having an inside source. Maybe as these sorts of people retire more will speak out, but that's about the only hopeful thought I can muster.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

reasonable proof might be a sudden and obvious shift of the pre-covid rate numbers for the people dying of the other conditions cancer/heart attacks-disease/flu/emphysema/etc being massively lower during covid

too many 'reason for death' now being marked 'covid' (or covid AND the other fatal condition) taking their places (a deception possibly encouraged by the medical institutions obtaining extra government money for anything marked "covid" ...)

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[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Based on just the deaths and demographic structure, there was no pandemic.
One can compare different areas and different years with the same demographic.
And countries with different policies.

The reported infection-to-fatality rate was 0.02%.
Much much lower for young people.
And rising to 1% for very old people, very similar to a cold.
The fear-spreading media made it seem 20%, which is 1000 times more.

In Asia and Africa there was clearly no pandemic.
While countries like Japan and Sweden were still open, only seeing something similar to a flu wave.
The numbers only go up after the vax.

There are some spikes in some areas, which were reported by doctors and nurses to be medical crimes. Like the suicide-drug usage in the UK.

[–]tommike311 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Claims that only 1 to 2 percent of 'COVID deaths' were truly due to COVID-19 need careful scrutiny and context. Accurate data on COVID-19 mortality is crucial for public health responses and policy decisions. Misinterpretation or misrepresentation of this data can undermine trust in health measures and affect the effectiveness of pandemic management. It's essential to rely on comprehensive, transparent data and expert analysis. https://practicewithease.com/orthopedic-medical-billing/

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This misrepresentation of data by the governments was already known from the start.
They broke all former standards. The former standards included a full investigation.

First: ANY death with Covid symptoms, including any lung infection, was considered a covid death.
Later with PCR: ANY death with a positive PCR test was considered a Covid death. To increase this rate, the PCR test was used 35 or even 60 replication cycles, against all standards. This gives 99% false positives. The official PCR test (Koch institute) was also calibrated from patients who likely had the flu. With an accurate calibration, the cycle count should be around 24, and it still needs additional checks.
Later again: The antibody tests were often giving false positives, often depending on what people consumed. Children often used this to skip school.

Not many in the business complained, because there were high rewards for treating Covid patients... and for Covid deaths.

There were better more accurate tests, and they showed 50x to 100x less false positives. These accurate tests should have been used to establish a scientific basis for the treatments.

Based on doctors who probably worked with actual patients, the Ivermectin, Budesonide, HCQ+Z and such were very effective. Even vitamin-D was enough to minimize the disease.

In practice the death-rate was similar to the cold.
The real disease were Big Pharma and the governments.