The wage gap

submitted by FemiNationalSocialit from self.PinkPillFeminism

Hello! I got lost today on youtube and I ended up on the darker (MGTOW/men's rights) part. I watched a couple videos about how the wage gap in a myth, and I wanted to hear your opinions on that.

On one hand, I really want to believe that those stats have been debunked, on the other my intuition is telling me otherwise. Even if women were being paid the same for a similar job, I still notice that female dominated professions are still paid significantly less than male's ones. How do we as a society decide the worth of a person working in child care compared to a plumber, for example? I fell that it's arbitrary and often favors men, but I need proof of it.

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[–]Maryam 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that jobs becoming less paying (like nursing) when women start taking them up is literally all the evidence you need that women get paid lower.

[–]MongrelFreeStuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Happy_face_caller 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s been debunked so many times. Anyone with eyes knows women are paid less. It’s an mra talking point to whine about the wage gap being a myth. Notice rich men never say a word, just underperforming low skilled losers mad any women make more money than them

[–]fuckingsealions 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an issue with many facets, but I remember study results coming out a few years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html

Your example of a plumber is interesting and I want to pick on it a little. I'm the US, where the majority of skilled tradepersons are non-union, so the employer sets the wage. In theory, women non-union plumbers could make less overall than ones who are men. I don't know if it's ever been studied.

I joined a union, and my wages are dictated by my contract, so I make as much as my majority male co-workers, who are highly paid. This is good for me, and I encourage women to enter skilled trades. I do wonder what will happen to wages as we come closer to parity in numbers of men and women in the trades.

I know unions aren't perfect, but I believe in worker representation. But if you look at public school teachers, who flipped to being majority female years ago, in a "caretaking" profession like the Times article refers to, it doesn't matter if you have a contract if you're coming into a profession in which wages tanked years ago.

There is also the motherhood penalty, which is real. https://nwlc.org/press-releases/mothers-lose-16000-annually-to-the-wage-gap-nwlc-analysis-shows/#:~:text=Mothers%20Lose%20%2416%2C000%20Annually%20to%20the%20Wage%20Gap%2C%20NWLC%20Analysis%20Shows,-Posted%20on%20May&text=Mothers%20typically%20are%20paid%20only,NWLC)%20analysis%20of%20Census%20data.

I think you're correct when you notice these issues are systemic. It's beyond lazy for men to call the wage gap false when casual observation shows us otherwise, backed up by reputable studies.