Husband & Wife Beaten with Flashlight, Stomped On Over Selling Tacos Without Permit

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Being featured on thefreethoughtproject.com is pretty much a guarantee the incident is bullshit, as it's a "separate the people from law enforcement" site. Can't see what they did before the officers "attacked", but you can see the arm hit by the flashlight was grabbing at the cop, and had a grip on him.

You can't grab ahold of a cop while being arrested and expect things to be fine. Cops have authority. If you disagree with their actions, or with being arrested, court is the venue for disagreeing.

Ideally, you have enough emotional self-control in the first place to avoid escalating.

[–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

While I agree, the police and ESPECIALLY the courts tend to be explicitly anti-White

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That's true, but it's rarely going to be to your benefit to physically fight with cops. When someone is already biased against you, don't give them anything they can use as justification.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True. You shouldn't fight unless you're willing to face the "consequences"/reciprocatory actions, which will undoubtedly be severe.

In general, it's best to cooperate and hope your compatriots are not convinced by government bullshit, which luckily, they often are not.

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    Cops have the authority to arrest you. If you physically fight them, they have the authority to escalate until you're under control. This rarely works out to your benefit.

    [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Yup being violent just puts the situation in their home turf, same with violent protesting. They have the monopoly on violence so it's not a smart approach.

    Nonviolence however... they often don't know exactly how to react to that. That's why they have agent provocateurs as a common strategy, to get things to violence, so they can then use their well-honed methods and technology to control the situation in the way they want.

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    to get things to violence, so they can then use their well-honed methods and technology to control the situation in the way they want.

    I'm not sure if there's a term for the psychological technique of "provocation as a mental-state test", but I can see 'some' justification for (mild) provocation when the person or group is showing definite signs of instability, and the intent is to actually test. If the provocation is just to create an excuse to fuck with someone or to incite a crowd, then no.

    The classic 'agent provocateur' actually engages in violence to incite the crowd, so that's way over the line. I haven't read any promotional materials on crowd incitement, and would be interested in the theories behind it. Do they see themselves as the evil 'baddies' and just don't give a fuck, or do they have a theory that justifies that technique?

    While no one would enjoy being provoked, the unstable person on the edge of flipping out would be more likely to reveal their unstable mental state while the cops are right there to deal with it. A metaphor would be the way people kick the tires or smack the side of a car before buying it. If the tires or doors fall off with that mild abuse/provocation, then there's a serious problem. I guess it would depend on whether you see cops as more social workers, problem solvers, or sometimes garbage men.

    theories on policing

    Here's the rabbit hole into that world.

    [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    You may find this article interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

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    The internet has been a perfect tool for information warfare, with many internet trolls acting as agents provocateurs by disseminating black propaganda.

    Unexpected mention of thefreethoughtproject.com there at the bottom. That guy claims to not work for the NSA anymore, but his schtick has been the same "separate the people from law enforcement" for years. Seems likely the '1st amendment cop provokers' with the youtube channels are part of the same or a sister program.

    They do raise some interesting questions about the malleability of beliefs and behaviors.

    [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Interesting, I didn't know that about freethoughtproject.

    Being admin for this site, I've seen firsthand how surprisingly malleable internet cultures can be, and how much an affect bad actors can have on changing a website's culture (and thus affect the minds and emotional states of the users of that site) sometimes even in very subtle and unexpected ways.

    It seems the ultimate forum attack these days is to use dozens of accounts to pretend to obey the rules of a site while slowly destroying it with things that are half-nonsense and are also very emotionally repulsive. If that is sustained long enough without being addressed, and becomes a large enough percentage of the total site content, the real users all eventually leave. And then the attack stops, and the site is dead and everyone is repulsed by their memories from the site and won't go back.

    They're the agent provocateurs of the digital age. Pretending to be part of a community and then acting against it and destroying the quality at every opportunity via unnecessary escalation.

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      https://youtu.be/tC0OXz6BQHA?t=22

      See the taco guy with a physical grip on the cop. Hitting the arm that's attacking the cop with a flashlight is a level of minimum force that's too low, especially when the taco people initiated the physical interaction.

      https://youtu.be/tC0OXz6BQHA?t=50

      Watch taco chick initiate another physical attack on one of the inspectors they had previously attacked.

      You think invaders from other countries should be able to physically attack our police or city inspectors, just because they claim they can't afford to follow food safety regulations?

      I would prohibit cops from physically fighting with suspects. Where physical force is required, it would be tasers, service weapon, or both. No chasing suspects. No grabbing or twisting to install handcuffs. Non-compliance with a request to "put your hands behind your back" would receive tool-based assistance in compliance until compliance is achieved.

      More and better video of every interaction would be standard, and required.

      This is a separate issue from cops enforcing illegal orders.

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        Dunno where you are getting that they initiated.

        From the story. Are you supporting people attacking cops because you believe in accelerationism?

        [–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        OI! Do you have a loicense for your taco, m8?