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[–]ScamCast 54 insightful - 9 fun54 insightful - 8 fun55 insightful - 9 fun -  (7 children)

I see you joined just a week after the subreddit was made which makes me believe you're part of Ice Poseidons group of people who have been actively trying to get us shut down since the reddit days. If this post was made by someone who has been a part of Saidit for a lot longer, then it might be more believable.

By the way, can you relay back to Ice and tell him to stop giving DDOS orders against Saidit and my site.

Thanks.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 6 insightful - 12 fun6 insightful - 11 fun7 insightful - 12 fun -  (4 children)

Of course I will use an alt account because I know the nature of your community. That doesn't invalidate everything I said though.

Do you have any evidence of Ice giving these DDOS orders you're talking about?

[–]BoogerFukker 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

So you are claiming that you are on an alt because of how our community is, implying you are just an average saiditer concerned with IP2, yet also claim to know about IP2 origins and also claim Kimberlee has never given out her name on stream so if people say her full name it is doxxing her. How would you know that unless you watch everyone of her and ices stream. You have exposed yourself as an ice poseidon fanboy and puppet. Good Job.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, saidit is loading awfully slower with several time-outs and there is funny stuff happening in the account pages.

Pretty sure its what is going on. I don't even do Ice poseidon anything but awfully suspicious since your post came up.

Edit: Doesn't happen anymore. Pretty sure DDOS isn't taking place anymore if it did before.

[–]SkrrrahhPapPapKakaKa 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Look at the post history of the peeps supporting this, obviously some loser attempting to shut us down for bragging rights on IP1 Discord.

Lucky the Admins here can see through the BS.

Nice try tho HorrorShow/Frodo you put lots of effort into this, spent months plotting yet still failed, LMFAO.

[–]Jammin 44 insightful - 6 fun44 insightful - 5 fun45 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

IP2 is a community based around IRL live streaming and not "Ice Poseidon". You seem to have cherry picked the specific screenshots to support your agenda and left out critical parts of the context to them, you're motive is clear you are one of the few Ice Poseidon fan boys remaining and are attempting to discredit IP2 and have them silenced. IP2 is a community that is vocal about the misdoings of Ice Poseidon (of which the list is extremely long) in an attempt to warn others.

This post looks like it was written by well known Shill for Ice Poseidon who is known by the name "FrodoBallBaggins" and is likely a member of Ice Poseidon's inner circle of Yes-Men who carry out the very activities they are trying to attribute to IP2 in this post. The humour based around IP2 is dark and a lot of the posts made are not peoples actual beliefs and views, they are said in the spirit of humor and satire and could easily be taken out of context by someone who is not familiar with the community.

Most of us also believe by being a live streamer you are making yourself a public figure, which opens you up to scrutiny from the public. Just like any journalist or activist IP2 and its members are free to make whatever criticism/judgement they want and contact whoever they want about it.

IP2 absolutely does not support any illegal actions and does everything possible to avoid such discussions or posts taking place, this should be quite clear to the Administrators who monitor the posts anyway.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

I've added the related threads for all of my screenshots for any additional context that was needed.

Your community is going far beyond criticizing a public figure when you are creating harassment campaigns against people. You are actively trying to deplatform him for things he did years ago. He has already admitted many times to his mistakes and wants to move on, is there a reason why you can't do the same?

[–]Tobi69 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yesterday his first irl stream was him filming a homeless guy again, homeless friend wants something in return. He put himself in a situation to exploit homeless dude in return homeless guy wants a reward in wich he was too scared to deny or acted like that. Until the banana came. Black guy could choose the banana as his first instinct and laughed at him since he picked it up. Mixxer and twitch wont partner him so he retorts to his old ways while blaming everyone besides himself that they are wrong and "toxic". After that he tried to brigade reddit again as a anonymous mixxer streamer to roast him as on r/roastme. But a lot of reddit allready knows him for brigading posts. Thats why he was banned from twitch livestreamfail etc and eventually all of reddit.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

The homeless man approached Ice in that interaction, he ran a typical act that all panhandlers do where they tell a few jokes and then ask for cash. This interaction was all led by the homeless man and not Ice

He told the man to grab a banana and a cookie since they were the cheapest items and so that he could get $20 in change. You can spin the narrative all you want but anyone can just watch the video.

[–]Tobi69 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I guess im just as delussional as you are. Im cool with that. "Just grab a banana hahahaha" followed by dont go there by homeless guy. He knew. We knew. And you knew.

[–]Tobi69 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate the open discussion tho, its healthy and i hope it opens up some eyes to how toxic "we" are as the opposition and their snake oil.

[–]squadW 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ice was being racist when he offered him a banana. The homeless man was offended by the joke and Ice did not apologize. Ice had full control of the situation by not offering him the banana since Ice knows he has a racist past as shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFA-HChZNJk If you have a racist past and not want to be racist, learn from your mistake by not being racist. Ice had a chance to do this and he didn't.

[–]Jammin 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Give me an example of a harassment campaign IP2 has created? What you are trying to do right now could be considered a harassment campaign, you are actively trying to deplatform IP2. Everyone is there own free person with there own free choice to do as they please, no doubt many have moved on already. But the reality is its not up to him or you to decide when or if anyone moves on, we all have a right to freely express our opinions to whomever we want to.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I very clearly state in my conclusion that I don't believe IP2 should be banned and needs better moderation that is within Saidit guidelines.

Feel free to read my original post as I show several examples of your harassment.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Edit: Parent post was edited so I'll do the same.

[–]Popper 39 insightful - 6 fun39 insightful - 5 fun40 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

they're stupid and annoying but I will fight to the death for their right to say whatever, never censor

[–]DaulPenino 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

This guy gets it

[–]cynical_americano 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i'd like to believe they/we would return that favor. you don't have to like what someone else is saying to respect their right to say it. much appreciated, fren

[–]Enza 39 insightful - 4 fun39 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 4 fun -  (30 children)

IP2 is muted from s/all and 99% of IP2 users do not stray from their sub. Why does it matter if they exist?

I came here as part of IP2, if it weren't for IP2 I wouldn't have had many of the great discussions I've had on the rest of SaidIt. Those from IP2 who venture outward don't behave the same way on the rest of SaidIt. IP2 and the streaming community as a whole has it's own culture. You also have to understand that IP2 isn't too different from farmers watching "lolcows" (such as Onision for example) - they usually never tip the cow (or streamer in this case), and the streamers they're watching are degenerates. They're literally all degenerates. The people on IP2 are watching them choose to ruin their lives by doing crazy and stupid shit on streams.

They don't promote hate. They watch people doing stupid shit. And as a community, they have a culture of their own - if users in the community are being stupid, they get shut down. I'm not saying they aren't crude or immature, but for the most part, they keep to themselves and just watch streamers lol. They're not a virtual-army that fucks with people for no reason. Even IP2 is wholesome at times.

[–]Cephalomutinium 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

IP2 is muted from s/all

Am I saiditting wrong, the all/new queue is straight up 9 out of 10 posts from IP2?

And after scrolling down, I'd say 2/3rds of the posts there are from IP2 too.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

On the /all/new queue, yes. But not the /all/hot queue. We're going to add something to make it also apply to /all/new queue in the future

[–]Cephalomutinium 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Wait a second, the end goal is that we can't see all subs when browsing /all/?

[–]magnora7 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Yes there are a few subs that are that way by their own choice. We're thinking about making an unfiltered_all someday, or something similar, that has absolutely everything, including subs filtered in this way. Every sub still comes up in the subs list and /all/new currently, just not /all/hot

[–]Cephalomutinium 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Fair enough you know if there's a list of planned changes, like a roadmap or something for this place?

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

We have a prioritized to-do list that's about 70 items long, but it's private for now. The top things are an iOS app, some backend upgrades, and a crossposting system. We basically complete projects as we're able, but we're always looking for more coding help if you happen to know anyone.

[–]Cephalomutinium 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I do a bit of backend admin on a few sites and can build you a browserbased wrapper for the site, but only on android lol

But for ios, why not a WebApp that runs on ios, android, windows, mac and linux? I love the ease of use to the point where instantly add PeppermintOS ICE SSB on every distro i install.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps

edit: wheres ya git repo?

[–]x0x7 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Just call it /all/all

[–]d3rr 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Mute it if you don't want to see it

[–]Cephalomutinium 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

... But when I broser /all I kinda want to see it all. I was wondering about how to use the interface, and I thought I did it wrong since I got different results.

Some other guy has already explained that removing subs from all is by design and planned to escalate. That's a bit strange to me. Do you know if saidit has some sort of road map?

[–]pyramidsarecool 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Just browse by https://saidit.net/new/ like a real chad if you want the full experience

[–]Cephalomutinium 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

nah im more of a beef supreme, i want to be ablet o choose

[–]pyramidsarecool 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

As of now I think thats the only way to get everything in one place including the subs that opt out of s/all

[–]pyramidsarecool 26 insightful - 6 fun26 insightful - 5 fun27 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

If I was a betting man I would put my money on your join date coinciding with the day s/Ice_Poseidon2 joined the Saidit 🤔

Tell Piss Boi we said hi

[–]FormosaOolong 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (45 children)

Well by poking the bear like this, you're kind of putting yourself in the crosshairs, no? If you don't like their content/style, there is a handy "mute sub" button, which hides it from your "all" or "new".

Other things you can do is refrain from engaging with their comments on other subs, report them if they really don't adhere to the PoD, or simply use your innate power to not need others to be a certain way and move along, modeling respectful relating in your own way.

Magnora7 and d3rr do not turn a blind eye, they are exceedingly generous in their desire to keep this site as open as possible. People are given quite a lot of chances and suggestions before they are banned, as it should be, imo. No matter what they do, they get criticized--yet they are doing a stellar job balancing freedom of expression with the limitations of international law and the site's stated guidelines.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (44 children)

They are breaking several of site-wide rules. Unchecking form /s/All and hiding in a sub doesn't exempt anyone. Spilling their shit onto other subs is beyond the limits IMO.

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I agree M7D3 are doing a great job on many many levels. And they will be fairly and unfairly criticized. No one made them take on this epic venture. It's also our job as a community to help them. I think this is a fantastic post, to help the admins, to help the community, and to help SaidIt become better and maybe clearer.

[–]magnora7 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins

This is the stuff I'm talking about, Jason. Reports go to both mods and admins. Why are you telling people otherwise when you don't know? You seem to lie with authority like that an awful lot. Please stop. If you don't know, then don't say anything.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I apologize /u/FormosaOolong for misleading you. I stand corrected.

How come you didn't respond to any of my reports? My conclusion was you weren't getting them. And as mod of some subs I've seen a few reports on my own posts going back to me. So to be fully accurate, I was half correct and half wrong, apparently.

I'm NOT a FUCKING LIAR. And you know that, and you say that far too often about many people.

"An awful lot" - like when else?

YOU, magnora7 were full of lies that explosive day, /s/HolocaustSkepticism. I'm still not going to call you a liar.

If I don't know, then I don't know that I don't know. So saying nothing is not an option, especially when I'm trying to help people.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

How come you didn't respond to any of my reports?

Not every report deserves a response.

I'm NOT a FUCKING LIAR.

Well, you lied before just then, and are now pretending it didn't happen.

And you know that, and you say that far too often about many people.

I actually very very rarely call anyone a liar, I honestly can't think of the last time I did it. So there again you made up a lie to smear me!

Saying nothing is actually a much better and more helpful option than making up lies.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I actually very very rarely call anyone a liar, I honestly can't think of the last time I did it. So there again you made up a lie to smear me!

Last week I said my posts were in good faith. You said that it was in bad faith. While you didn't explicitly call me a liar, you said that what I said wasn't true.

You have no right to define what's going on inside my head, only how you interpret them. And that's why I'm upset.

[–]FormosaOolong 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I didn't know that, that makes a big difference. Edit: accidental misinfo

My post wasn't to criticize OP, I've just noticed that poking the bear usually makes one a target for abuse in return, and in addition to official channels, one can at least limit one's interaction with unwanted content.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I didn't know that, that makes a big difference.

Because it's false. Jason is making up crap and then speaking with authority for basically no reason. Reports go to both mods and admins.

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Good to know, that's what I had presumed before today. I think Jason genuinely misunderstood and was not trying to spread falsehoods.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I know, but he "genuinely misunderstands" so frequently and then speaks with authority that it's constantly creating administrative messes and misunderstandings that I have to clean up, and it's exhausting. Months and months of this.

Even if it is unintentional, it has caused me an awful lot of headaches over the last few months. It's the long-term pattern of doing this that makes me frustrated, not just this one instance.

[–]Regrubkcuf 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

As an IP2 user I really appreciate the saidit platform. This platform allows users to not have to bow down to the censorship other platforms demand and give communities a place to speak freely and truthfully even if the truth makes someone mad. OP clearly stats in his "conclusion" that he doesn't want IP2 removed but he wants strict censorship the thought of that is disgusting. The person that OP is trying to protect has regular Ddos attack saidit many time in attempts to silence the truth.

[–]d3rr 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

When you were young, and your heart was an open book, you used to say live and let live...

[–]HorrorShow[S] 1 insightful - 10 fun1 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 10 fun -  (10 children)

That's my point here really, Ice Poseidon has moved on from his old community (IP2). He does not go out of his way to try and provoke them or wants anything to do with them.

Yet they cannot move on with their lives for some reason.

[–]d3rr 24 insightful - 8 fun24 insightful - 7 fun25 insightful - 8 fun -  (3 children)

Not SaidIts problem. Life is a bitch, we'll all be dead soon. IP is the pot calling IP2 black.

[–]pyramidsarecool 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

LMAO one of us

[–]Enza 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jammin 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Who exactly are you to decide what they can and cant do? Its free world, live and let live.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Its free world, live and let live.

How ironic considering your community can't do this

[–]Jammin 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Very ironic indeed considering you are making this post. Hypocrisy.

[–]PurpleArmy_18 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ice Poseidon doesn’t decide when we are able to stop talking about anything, if I want to talk about IRL streams from someone’s peak in 2017, in 2020 then I can do so freely on s/IP2. It doesn’t matter if he’s moved on or if he isn’t provoking us lol

[–]macadoum 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't like this sub, mute it, that's all. You create an account on Saidit exrpessely to post against IP2. What's the point here ?

[–]realister 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

Lies lies lies. IP2 is there to critique livestreamers and keep them in check we do not harass, we remove all calls for violence and all doxxing.

You are describing a Discord community not saidit.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

I have plenty of evidence showing you actively harassing him and people around him. All of which is out in the open on YOUR subreddit.

You can try to deflect it as much as you want but it doesn't help when there is direct evidence.

[–]realister 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

you are confusing fan interaction with harassment.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

Please explain how the following are "fan interactions"

  • Creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.

  • Users DM'ng a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.

  • Threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.

[–]PurpleArmy_18 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn’t matter if the racist complication is from 2 years ago, it could be from 10 years ago... the point is that he said and did those things

[–]Broken-needles350 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

i see no hate speech, i see alot of nigger spam on point 2, but its not hatespeech, its just a bunch of clowns chucklin.

move along move along

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

SaidIt doesn't have a policy on hate speech that I know of. But they do on name-calling and violence.

Name-calling in jest is a big fat grey line.

[–]Broken-needles350 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

name callin, low level, lol. it comes down to how thick skinned you are here. their low grade agitators at best targeting an what is likely to be a very thin skinned mudduck.

violence is another bit, just a quick scan thru IP2, idk if the majority of these clowns would actually do anything, as i see it, ip2 is just a giant collection of memes with a side of nigger spam.

dont make your self their target and ignore em, best thing to do, lol

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I know it's meh, but I've been threatened, again, for causing "drama" allegedly dragging down conversations. I didn't name-call, nor offer violence, and I sure was being a lot more generous than I got. Further, I was doing it with creativity and fun, rather than their simple minded one or two word non-efforts.

If we can't even have and abide rules, then what's the fucking point. I want some discipline on the mob, not just on the occasional dramatist.

" dont make your self their target and ignore em, best thing to do, lol "

Good advice. I should drop out now while I can.

[–]steaknpotatoes 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

It's pretty clear this community's only goal is exploit their freedom on this website by harassing, deplatforming and promoting hate.

Cherry picker with a false narrative. What is your agenda here? Most IP2 users like to watch livestreams and meme. The fact you bring up "hate speech" makes me think you're no different than all the reddit staff trying to crush free speech.

Ice Poseidon is a public figure that used his power and platform to abuse, harass smaller weaker people. He allowed witchhunts and deplatforming campaigns on his subreddit/discord for years. He joked about getting people banned that went against him. He had an extremely corrupt manager that would try to eliminate his competition. He's a known criminal that's committed many crimes on his streams without repercussion.

Public figures as such do not have the same protections from things like "harassment." A lot of what Ice Poseidon and his shills call harassment is just criticism, accountability, and a taste of his own medicine for his terrible actions. He tried to crush all criticism against him and still tries to this day. What he's getting is a whole lot of karma.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

I have nothing against free speech. By trying to deplatform someone, you are the one against free speech.

You are delusional if you think that if someone is a public figure they are allowed to be harassed.

-Criticism isn't creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.
-Criticism isn't telling your users to DM a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.
-Criticism isn't threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.
-Criticism isn't pretending to be offended by things he did in the past when you do the same things every day on your sub.

[–]pyramidsarecool 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Youre giving IP2 too much credit. The decision is ultimately up to the platform itself to de-platform him.

[–]steaknpotatoes 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I have nothing against free speech.

Highly doubt that since your whole post is dog whistling for unnecessary censorship because a degenerate like Ice Poseidon is being criticized, held to account, and given the same treatment he gave to others.

By trying to deplatform someone, you are the one against free speech.

Nope, it's just giving him some of the same treatment he allowed/gave to others.

You are delusional if you think that if someone is a public figure they are allowed to be harassed.

There's a high bar for "harassment" when it comes to public figures. It's amazing you take this line of defense for an asshole that built his career off of harassing regular folks going about their lives. I still remember when he had a hidden camera and made some poor Mexican guys get down on their knees and bark like dogs unbeknownst to them that they were being livestreamed, humiliated and laughed at by thousands of people watching, which was also illegal to stream others secretly like that in California from inside a private residence.

-Criticism isn't creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.

Really don't know what this one is about, but I think if this did happen most people on IP2 wouldn't support it. You can't just cherry pick 1 act and act like the whole community supports that or that this is what we refer to when we say criticism.

-Criticism isn't telling your users to DM a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.

I disagree that's valid, he shouldn't have done those actions if he can't live with the consequences of such.

-Criticism isn't threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.

That's more of a fair warning, they probably don't know what a degenerate sociopath Ice Poseidon is and what the consequences of associating with him can do to their future. Many people have suffered from associating with him, he's got an earned bad reputation all throughout the livestreaming world. Twitch streamers started referring to him as the "black plague" for how he corrupts and ruins the things he touches.

-Criticism isn't pretending to be offended by things he did in the past when you do the same things every day on your sub.

Vague, simplistic, and wrong. Ice Poseidon has done many bad things that the vast majority on IP2 don't support or do. You're trying to compare 1 person to a community of hundreds where you want to cherry pick a few incidents and act like that represents the whole. Sorry but smarter people see through that.

Because you may find a few things that may be bad acts does not invalidate all the legitimate criticism of an abusive sociopath like Paul Denino. Hope you at least get paid to defend such a degenerate.

[–]lmnop_ 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Ice Pisseidon fanboy detected LOL! Let's be real, you don't GAF about saidit.

[–]2ballz 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Watch it be that India cx dude

[–]Tobi69 9 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

Take your pills honey im not going to change your diapers anymore. You are 32 now. You dont want to go back to the looney bin now do you?

[–]Tobi69 6 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

Ignore my obvious clown comment. I thought it was posted on s/ip2. Im on android app and it's not always clear wether im on new in all or ip2 but as title suggested i thought i was there. Cheers.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

A quality contribution as expected from a member of /s/ice_poseidon2. I expect to see more of this once this thread gets brigaded.

[–]6gz54rgza 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you may have purposely omitted to disclose the relation between you and the former live streamer "Ice Poseidon". In my opinion failure to disclose any conflicts of interest automatically invalid anything said. Also this post seems to be extremely biased with what seems to be the need to further a personal agenda

[–]cyberpunk2075 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're worse than some of the mentally ill posters we have on our subreddit. If he were reformed, there wouldn't be several clips already on IP2 where he's being a fucking degenerate. He's a PR nightmare, and if anything, forwarding evidence to people that are out of the loop is actually doing them a favour. So quit your sulking, and like other people have (basically) said: if you don't like our subreddit, fuck off.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I speak as an impartial observer but how bad can one person be that an entire troll army is dedicated to shining light on him?

Where are these heinous videos? Any links please. I'd like to confirm for myself and see the light you wish to bright.

[–]KomradeFren420blzIt 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL How sad that you blindly follow Piss Boi so you feel socially accepted on Discord. Pathetic. Your parents shoulda taken you out to the back of the barn looooong ago.

[–]bobbobbybob 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

What the hell is with all the redditor SJW mods coming here and making such a fuss about everything they can't control.

Can we please learn from their tactics, /u/magnora7, and just ban the fuckers as soon as they start their shit on here. Its always the same pattern, and always tedious and tiresome.

1) find a sub they they think is somehow evil nazi alt-right whatever 2) post off topic and combatitive BS until they get told to fuck off 3) whinge about people breaking the site rules for banning them for being absolute cunts (by making a big post about it) 4) double down and start attacking the admins (magnora and d3rr, mostly) for not following the site rules the way that butthurt redditmod wants them too 5) escalate until they are banned, then come back to repeat.

lots of words don't mean the pyramid of debate is being respected.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

and just ban the fuckers as soon as they start their shit on here.

I mean I kind of agree, but also now you're just advocating banning anyone who questions things in a slightly SJW way, and that's not good either.

But if they do the whole pattern of things to completion, I am starting to agree that I shouldn't have infinite patience for these people, especially when they seem unable to recognize even they fact they've done anything in the first place.

[–]fudge 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The fact of the matter is, Paul Denino (ice Poseidon) realized that there's no money involved in being the creator of an online bumfights 2.0 extended universe. So now his internet janitors are being sicced on any community that harbors any sort of criticism against his 'content'. He has a history of exploiting mentally ill, and homeless people for the sake of 'content'. He has a history of using racism, as recently as yesterday he has used his racist act for 'content'. IP2 is literally just casting a light on what Paul Denino has done without remorse and without consequence for years and years. All of this is categorically true. The sad thing is that you've chosen such to become a martyr for such a despicable low life person really goes to show how invalid you are. Paul Denino is Paul Denino's worst enemy. End of story. IP2 merely casts a light on what Paul Denino decides to put out. There is no subjectivity here. I do agree that some people may take their hatred of him too far, but I personally believe any discussion of him should be removed because he isn't relevant to the subreddit anymore. His name is his only legacy.

[–]RuckFeddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your conclusion is so heavily slanted that you clearly have an agenda behind you, it's blatant. You're on a board full of skeptics, so you're going to have to try harder next time.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (40 children)

Good post.

It might also be worth describing from their point of view why they view Ice Poseidon as a problem, if only for fairness and context.

The PNGs are great, though far too wide (consider vertical screens and aim for square). Would be better with the permalink too, in order to see the wider context.

Clearly this is "shit disturbing" drama, but IMO needs to happen. I for one was not aware of this, and so much more I assume, on SaidIt.

Thanks for being someone making an effort on SaidIt.

[–]realister 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Ice Poseidon is a racist and white supremacist who built his career on racist edgy humor. Now he decided to become an SJW and refuses to acknowledge his past. We just document his racism we do not promote it.

We have all the clips on our sub.

[–]FormosaOolong 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm actually glad to have the opportunity to learn all this about IP2. I muted due to not preferring the general atmosphere, but it's interesting to learn all this, and I'm also impressed that it was your choice to mute from "all" so as to not dominate it. That was top-drawer of y'all!

[–]realister 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes we figured inside jokes and memes would just confuse people

[–]Enza 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Real.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 4 insightful - 12 fun4 insightful - 11 fun5 insightful - 12 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the feedback. I went back through and added links to all my examples so you can get the context.

The point of view was kind of already answered by one of their mods but I'll expand on it.

Ice Poseidon has been a live streamer for about 4 years now, he gained fame by having an edgy community on Twitch until he was ultimately banned for not controlling the racist donations on his stream and being swatted. He then moved to Youtube where he indulged in degenerate content such as using homeless people for his stream, allowing more racist donations to play, and pushing the bar on how edgy he could make his stream.

His community grew so toxic from being unchecked for so long that he could no longer control it. They started attacking everyone around him and it was becoming a huge problem. He closed his reddit because he couldn't deal with it anymore and this caused a huge backlash. This is where the majority of IP2 came from, they are disgruntled fans of his.

So now he had what was left of his community and an opposing faction to deal with (IP2). He decided that he didn't want to do degenerate content anymore because it lead him to that awful point. So he set out to rebrand himself, clean up his act and try something new. He started streaming on Mixer and more importantly he followed a strict set of rules enforced by Mixer.

IP2 was eventually banned off reddit since they continued to harass him and other streamers and arrived here. By that point Ice had a new following on Mixer and stopped talking about IP2 all together. However, IP2 had a deep grudge and couldn't stand seeing him try to reform himself. So they once again went after everyone around him by sending them compilations of things he did years ago. They also went around any place that had mention of him and pushed a false narrative that he was a pedophile or that he ran a ponzi scheme. Ice Poseidon was investigated by the FBI already at this point and cleared. There has also never been any criminal charges brought against him other than sneaking into a convention in a trojan horse/llama. So it was all baseless accusations.

So we are here now, where once again they are trying to harass everyone around Ice Poseidon because he has a big event coming up and they want to do anything they can to stop him from continuing his progress in reforming his brand.

[–]bussarin555 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Allowing more racist donations to play

You're really downplaying his content.

His community grew so toxic from being unchecked for so long that he could no longer control it.

You make it out as if he didn't encourage it. Towards the end of his YouTube career, he was still doing things to promote this sort of behavior. For example, comparing black people to literal "shit" to be flushed down a toilet. This was only a few months back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_y9JK0ADU

[–]HorrorShow[S] 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

Just a heads up, they have posted my thread on their sub and are actively brigading:
https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/2585/lol_one_of_ices_mods_using_their_dead_account_to/

The mods told them not to brigade but didn't remove the thread for some reason. More acting in bad faith it seems.

[–]pyramidsarecool 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I see youve studied the TOS and magnora's take on said TOS using his own words to push your agenda. There were no acts of bad faith whatsoever. It took you 3 months to study the TOS and figure out how you can best word your expose to manipulate the admins and this is the best you can come up with?

[–]TestDummy 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From what I understand, you have opened a discussion about a community here on saidit. When you create a discussion point you have to expect a response from those people who you are spreading allegations about. What I can see from it is that there is no brigade, but a open discussion (debate) about the topic you have made.

[–]Enza 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you actually click the link OP shared themselves, you'll see members of the community are discouraging any form of brigading and all users are agreeing not to. The IP2 community has respect for SaidIt.

[–]Enza 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just a heads up: I saw this because it's also the first (top) post on the front page of s/all, which is why I commented here. I'm sure many others saw it because of this and commented for the same reason.

What tactic will you try next?

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

As a Jew I was into the Jew jokes so I would browse IP2 but it eventually all got a little intense with the deplatforming and tattle tailing on people. I don’t like that they’re on this site but it seems a bit much to say, “we’re gonna deplatform you for deplatforming people.” That’s those other platforms failures, not Saidit’s. Who knows, I might change my mind and go back there some time to browse for shits and giggles but there are plenty of other users who negatively impact my experience of Saidit a lot more since I don’t go there any longer.

[–]cynical_americano 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

holy shit dude. get a life or cry somewhere else. you and your ilk have already run the community off of every other platform via briagding and lies (or at least embellishing the truth). the irony is your community is the one guilty of most if not all of the things you put the blame on IP2 for.

[–]observerandy 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

So I am someone who discovered IRL streaming and these communities about 6 months ago. I watch all the streamers at different times, including Ice. I want to be upfront with my biases in the sense that I don't think ice is evil, racist, sociopathic, etc like many of the people on IP2 like to say he is. I am not active on saidit, I only lurk, so I realize that my opinion doesn't count for much. Take it for what it is. I just wanted to add my 2c because I have been closely following everything as an outside observer for a bit now and I think that it is important to echo HorrorShow's sentiments (biased as they appear to be) that IP2 do seem to go against most everything that this site stands for. Not the memes and criticism, which is also present, and great. But the directed effort to manipulate, doxx, harass, and deplatform streamers. It is very obvious to anyone who follows the community for more than a few weeks that the spirit of the IP2 community is that of individuals who feel that streamers are monkeys who should dance to their tune. "Content" is drama, novel situations, whatever is interesting to the people from IP2 in chat who are shouting and donating for what they want to see. As soon as the streamer pushes back and asserts that they are autonomous and in control, the IP2 users lash out. Humans make mistakes, and IP2 ardently catalogue every mistake the streamers make so that they can use them against them when the need presents itself. Ice Poseidon receives the most targeted harassment because he was essentially their friend/primary dancing monkey who "broke up" with them, and they did not take the breakup well. They feel as though they "made" him, and that he should not be allowed to exist outside of their influence. See this thread from yesterday, noting the top voted reply from one of the mods: https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/259y/serious_question_what_would_paul_need_to_do_to/

It is not uncommon to see members/moderators of IP2 posting things akin to "he will never escape us" whenever he is brought up on reddit or in other communities. Doxx is allowed to sit up for long periods of time. Members of the community constantly encourage harassment in the form of calls (to police or otherwise), contacting sponsors, contacting anyone who works with him, etc to present information out of context in an attempt to cause emotional and financial harm. Whenever they are successful, the fruits are always the top rated posts of the entire saidit, so it isn't a case of a few bad apples.

Just wanted to lend that perspective because it is important, given that the community is exceptionally skilled at manipulating and gaslighting in order to deflect and build walls of plausible deniability. I think it is all very entertaining and warped, and I don't think that removing them from this community would do anything. They'll just set up shop somewhere else. Just wanted to add a bit of truth to this since it is very much a war of words between sides who are very invested in things. Most people typing here have been a part of these communities for years. So yeah, that's the truth. Hi to all the IP2 who will say I am from ice's dead discord / pissboi yes man.

[–]RuckFeddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Where have people been doxxed? Can you provide proof? also, who gives a fuck about these streamers being targeted? It's funny because I am exactly what you've described, a lurker, and I see things completely differently. I haven't seen anyone's dox posted. Other than that the streamers they are focusing their hate on, Blade who's a downright piece of shit, SJC who's probably an undiagnosed psychopath or at very least an extreme soceopath, Ice Poseidon who just assumes everyones retarded and he is always right, who else? I don't know. Oh EBZ, the guy who speeds, commits hit and runs again thinks he's always right and is probably the most toxic of all.

Can you give just one example of a single person who was brigaded from IP2 who got banned or had something bad happen to them who doesn't fall into the group I just described, because this should be brought to light. It would definitely reinforce the point you're making.

[–]Barack_Obama 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What a load of bullshit, I like how you "cleverly" pretend not to be an ice piss shill while its obvious that you are, judging by the fact how much you try to sway the truth.

[–]Sippin40s 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

I use to live IP2, But please saidit. Please ban them. They are very toxic and so unbearable. Please tell them goodbye and never give them a chance on this platform, after they try to platform a user who is trying to escape from this exact community.

[–]Barack_Obama 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Which one of Ice piss's discord yes-men are you? I advice you to go outside and build real relationships with people instead of defending a racist pedophile online, Ice poseidon is not a good person and he has not reformed one bit. Just very recently he comitted a bunch of hit and runs on stream and also made fun of an asian man's accent who was trying to help him, in addition to countless scummy acts that would be too long for a post.

If you're not a troll then please re consider your life decisions of defending someone like that.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like someone who has been so addicted to the goodness of IP2 that he is begging for someone to free him from addiction by coming up with fake insults.

Hence the word "please" and sounds of desperation. lol