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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

He is causing problems that are causing us legal trouble because he's constantly making accusations towards people which causes us to receive DMCA notices on a regular basis.

We have some standards on saidit and I've let a lot of things slide, which you should be thankful for.

We do have standards here, and I am going to enforce those standards. And this user was slinging a lot of shit and causing a lot of problems, and also dragging down discussion on the pyramid of debate. All combined, this is worthy of a ban.

I could communicate this more, but every time I do you get upset like you are now, so it's a lot easier to just remove problem users. I've cut you all a LOT of slack, so how about you do the same for me once in a while?

On the main site users get 3 warnings, but on IP2 they don't because I don't have time to deal with the volume to trolling and complaints that every action I do generates. I'm not going to spend all day arguing about petty drama when I see clear rule violations, and users causing us lots of trouble.

However I will make a policy going forward that if a user is older and has lots of posts on IP2, I will give them a warning and cite a specific post when I remove them after the 2nd violation. I will do that for you from now on, you have my word.

[–]Jammin 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Those DMCA's are fake and abusing the system, this has been their tactics for over a year (making false DMCA claims to reddit, youtube, clip sites like streamable). To see you capitulate to that is not what I expected, once they know you will fall for stuff like that they will send more and more. I want you to give this user a legitimate reason as to why he was banned, which post or posts was it that got him banned? What the DMCA say? How are other users supposed to know what is and isn't ok if you are selectively enforcing those rules. If this user is banned for "pyramid of debate" as you previously claimed then half of IP2 should be banned because those comments are nothing out of the ordinary. How can you possibly justify banning a user without giving them a reason, I know the account that was reporting this user was u/walters a 2 day old account with 0 karma, because he was also sending threats to the IP2 moderation team telling us to ban him "or else" also the same with burgerbroyo account.

DMCA notices dont cover "accusations towards people" they protect peoples copyrighted works. This is an absolute abuse of the system and you are playing into there hands, honestly if this is how you intend to do things in future I dont think this is going to be a viable place for IP2.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

We've gotten like 30 DMCA notices over the last 6 months, and they're about revealing personal information, and advocating violence against those users. As well as spreading nude images of people who don't want those nude images spread.

Some DMCAs are valid, some aren't. It's a pretty big burden on me to have to sort through which is which. And I do this all for free. For you all.

I'm giving you guys a place rent free. I'm trying to work with you all... but we have rules to enforce. I know that rubs people the wrong way sometimes, but that's the reality of it.

[–]comments 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Isn't IP2 one of the main financial contributors to SaidIt's (minimal) monetary operating costs?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They contribute about 40%, but they also eat up about 60% of the server load.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I've realized that not taking ads doesn't completely protect a site from being beholden to compromising interests.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah but the good thing is I don't mind paying out of pocket if it comes to that. It's not like coughing up an extra $40/mo is going to make us go under.

But yeah on larger scales the donation based model does have some of these problems. But it's distributed across many donors instead of it being concentrated to a few advertisers who can then call the shots. So it's less restrictive.

The most important thing is that we keep costs down, which we have done. Because that means we won't get hamstrung if we lose partial funding for whatever reason.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, the keeping the costs down model is neat. The donation model is still possible to be beholden to a single large donor. 40% if the site's expenses would be pretty dang significant if the costs were high enough that it was a real consideration and you didn't have an easy backup plan to just pay yourself.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right, but also as we scale, it's likely the donors group will become more and more diversified as more different people donate.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There will probably be a few donors who do most of the donating, just by virtue of the pareto princple stuff. Is this not usually how it is?

[–]neil23uk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

DMCA requests only cover copyrighted images and content, It can't be used for something somebody wrote. I hope you have read up about it.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How are other users supposed to know what is and isn't ok if you are selectively enforcing those rules.

yes, exactly.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I understand you need to have a certain standard, when it comes to following rules etc, but is it possible that you could give Voldesad one more chance, he has been part of this community for a long time, and it would be really appreciated if he got to come back,if he calmed down his shit posting.

[–]HectorRoae 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Voldesad alt

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never had an alt, never saw the need for it to hide, i stand for everything i have said or will say