Going to nuke my thousands of reddit comments with a saidit message. Need advice

submitted by Cindy from self.SaidIt

Title. I want to change all the comments to something politically neutral. There are surely major problems brought about by the ban wave that EVERYONE can relate to. Wasn't there a sub focused on women's health that was banned? Any suggestions for a template that would appeal to the average joe, and not just right-wingers/feminists?

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[–]Aureus 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

"Reddit has crossed the line. They have succumbed to a culture of censorship. We will never forget the day they took down /r/BigChungus."

More seriously, you might just make a generic statement about censorship. You could also say how the new reddit rules openly allow hate against "the majority". You could link to /r/WatchRedditDie or /r/Reclassified.

But someone who would dismiss the censorship as "oh, well it's just right-wingers and transphobe feminists getting banned" probably can't be swayed anyways.

[–]Cindy[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Censorship focus is a good idea. But to be transparent, my intention is to promote saidit. I couldn't care less what they think, I just want people to come here to boost the population. (You'd better believe I'm going to delete this post and this comment after I do the deed, lol)

But someone who would dismiss the censorship as "oh, well it's just right-wingers and transphobe feminists getting banned" probably can't be swayed anyways.

But this is me. I genuinely think that it's mostly far-right and transphobe content getting banned. Will it get worse, with more centrist content getting banned soon? Time will tell. I'm just here because I think reddit is annoying and scummy.

[–]Aureus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

You could try putting a message like

"I have wiped my post history in protest of reddit's rampant censorship. For a better online community without censorship, check out https://saidit.net!"

[–]Cindy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I like it. Intriguing and not politically oriented.

I'll probably do exactly as you typed but I want to add something heartfelt to the end. Probably about banning the women's health sub, wish I could find more info on that. Also I might mention that reddit censored the saidit link itself, that could rustle some jimmies

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I've been testing around a bit. It looks like comments get hidden when you explicitly include a hyperlink to Saidit, but you can still include the text "https://saidit.net". That will then automatically become a hyperlink. Better take advantage of this.

[–]Cindy[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

This comment has been deleted in an effort to raise awareness for reddit's rampant censorship. Why?

Reddit has banned innocuous subreddits, and threatened to ban the sub dedicated to Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, all while protecting actually-dangerous subs that post violent rape pornography. Reddit has consistently demonstrated a disdain for free speech and a disregard for its users' safety.

What can I do about this?

Join saidit at https://saidit.net. It's an alternative to reddit that promotes civil discourse and freedom from censorship.

[–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Actually, I made a small mistake. "https://saidit.net" will still get the comment removed. The trick is to simply include "saidit.net", and then Reddit will convert that into a hyperlink (and not remove the comment). Whatever text you go with in the end, be sure to test it under an alt and then logout to see if nothing goes wrong.

I don't think it's useful to mention specifics such as POS or rape pornography; it just makes it sound like something you personally disagree about. They also warrant links to further information, but including those would make the message less powerful. There's also a mass of people who are already aware of the censorship, but just don't have an alternative to turn to, so there's less of a need to lecture people. Aureus's version seems better. Alternatively, here's my take:

This comment has been deleted in protest of Reddit's rampant censorship. If you're looking for a site similar to Reddit but focused on civil discourse and freedom of expression, feel free to join me at saidit.net.

It's still not perfect. There's no hurry, right? If you wait a little longer, I can release my inner perfectionist on this.

[–]Cindy[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've already done the deed with "https://saidit.net". Seems like the comments aren't being removed, because I've already been banned from 10 subs, which indicates they are visible

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are they visible when you log out?

[–]Cindy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

freedom from censorship.

"less censorship" or "a wider overton window" might be more accurate.

anon: thought it was about creating an alternative to reddit's censorship.

m7: Well you thought wrong. This site used to be named antiextremes.com for a reason. It's not a free-for-all because we don't want to be voat either.

source

If you promote saidit as censorship-free, the people your edited comments bring will be disappointed.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you really have to post this every time you see "saidit" and "censorship-free" in the same post? Censorship implies that there's a political or related motivation behind the deletion of the content. Everything in the linked post shows that magnora took action to keep the site focused on constructive debate. Yes, there can still be deletion of content to maintain the quality of the site. You receive confirmation that the pyramid of debate is compatible with occasional deletion, so you start opposing the pyramid of debate, which is absurd. You don't seem to realize that people get employed by organizations to infiltrate sites like this one and shill and create division. That's the option they turn to as their alternative to censoring this website. That's what magnora's preventing. If you want to see what a community like this one would look like without quality control: magnora gave you one alternative, namely voat, and another one is /r/conspiracy where shills abound. Please just get over this.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you really have to post this every time you see "saidit" and "censorship-free" in the same post? [...] Please just get over this.

Don't you want to have diverse viewpoints present on SaidIt? Why would someone who values freedom from censorship try to engage in speech suppression?

I'm aware that content-flooding attacks and such exist.

When I first learned about SaidIt, it was advertised to me as a free speech platform, a platform where anyone could freely speak their minds, a platform free of everything that was wrong on reddit. Much like the message OP just suggested, that I replied to, that you're trying to suppress my future responses to. I was disappointed. The pyramid of debate does make it not a free speech platform. It may be an open discussion platform, but there are lots of powerful forms of speech that are not constructive discussion. Like the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. And other satire. The onion and babylon bee can actually make people think and reconsider political positions in important ways, even if they do it through ridicule. These are not constructive, I don't like them for a lot of reasons. But when you start saying you can't do those things in the name of offending someone? That doesn't seem right to me. Especially if you don't have clear and uniformly enforced rules. And it's my impression that SaidIt does not.

As part of trying to avoid "becoming voat," SaidIt is artificially controlling the window of acceptable discourse here. It's a politically motivated action. The idea that the discourse that takes place on /s/debatealtright, for example, is "extreme" is a political position.

I'm not saying that M7 can't do that if he wants to. But what I do think it that it's important to be honest and open that that's what's going on.

I also think that M7 does not take the pyramid of debate seriously in his own interactions, some of the quotes from the linked thread are an example. (And arguably you aren't here either, "can you please just get over it" and "do you really have to" are not fact-based high-pyramid modes of interaction. If you think I'm wrong, just politely, factually, correct my statement so I can be right too!)

I know being a content moderator in any way can be difficult, but I don't think it's right to "just let him off the hook" -- that doesn't help anyone. These issues are important, especially in an environment where a huge amount of censorship is going on. It's good to remain careful, vigilant, and very vocal about these things happening as long as we are able, whether they're mistakes or not.

I want SaidIt to be promoted accurately, and I don't think it's a trivial issue. I want people who are not aware of the problems and speech-suppressing aspects of SaidIt's stated and de-facto policies to be aware. There's nothing wrong with a place like SaidIt existing, but I do think it's wrong to promote it as something that's "free from censorship" or "free-speech" or "ideologically neutral" when it isn't.

[–]Aureus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe it was this? Hard to say though.

https://reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hnitq7/reddit_shut_down_and_reformed_rpcos_a_subreddit/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

imo, please don't advertise saidit as censorship free. it censors less, or differently, but it doesn't not censor. b/c of pyramid of debate policy, and because of trying to not be like voat.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

People were talking about content being censored if it pointed to competitors or said stuff they didn't like. /u/d3rr had to rewrite the /r/redditalternatives list in a special way to get past their filters. Would they just remove all your comments if you changed them like that? I think the people at /s/debatealtright were having trouble sending out messages to former member directing them here because stuff was being censored. If you don't intend to mention SaidIt or another competitor maybe it would be left alone though idk.

[–]Cindy[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I absolutely intend to mention saidit as that's the point of my operation here. I'll try to obscure the URL somehow.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they detect the common ways to obscure it too ("saidit dot com" isn't enough)

[–]theoracle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Use a relinking service or post the link in an image, preferably do it in multiple ways

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"To see this comment join me on saidit"

[–]iraelmossadreddit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

you might want to change the letters of saidit.net into number or symbols to get past spam filters

[–]Cindy[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Very good idea. Even if the link isn't blacklisted now it might be in the future.

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    [–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They banned URL shorteners as well.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's actually for legitimate reasons, it's necessary to combat spam.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      lots of subs block link shorteners

      [–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's site-wide.

      [–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      My method might be to post the URL SaidIt.net as an image on various image hosting sites, under various URLs with different styles. Maybe there is a way to automatically generate them like captchas?