Saidit is currently undergoing the largest DDOS attack we've ever had

submitted by magnora7[A] from self.SaidIt

We've blocked 1.03 1.6 million fraudulent connection attempts in just the last few tens of minutes... Our previous DDOS record was 600k fraudulent connection attempts across a few hours. For comparison a normal hour of saidit traffic is about 250k connection attempts.

The server did go down for a bit because of this ongoing DDOS attack, even despite blocking over a million fraudulent connection attempts, so I've turned on the cloudflare captcha protection for a bit. (I was just able to turn it off again, so it was only on for about 5 minutes, but I may have to re-enable it later as the attack progresses)

We had about 1 minute of total downtime from this massive attack, so I think we did a great job defending it so far. If this attack had happened to us a year or two ago, we would've been down for like 4-8 hours probably.

Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know about these ongoing attacks, in case anyone was wondering why the site was a bit slow for the moment, or wondering why they had to do captchas.

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[–]magnora7[S] 165 insightful - 12 fun165 insightful - 11 fun166 insightful - 12 fun -  (170 children)

Also we're not only being technologically attacked, but culturally attacked as well. Please read this post from /u/Extract and be aware of the full situation regarding these attacks on saidit:

What if I told you, that the last refugee wave was large enough for some propaganda organizations to put this site on their radar?

What if I told you the concern trolls posting those threads/comments are the first wave of shills, whose goal is to slowly corrupt this site the same way most platforms (like many subreddits, in their time) get corrupted? Notice how most of those concern trolls highlight problems that could actually be solved by their own participation - but, that would actually help the site, while their goal is clearly to (slowly) undermine it.

They will also cite the new influx of users as a good thing, and threaten it ends if $demandList isn't met, while in reality much of this activity is artificially created by those shills (not most votes, just the early spike that makes it visible enough for other people to upvote it for the sake of discussion).

This isn't going to stop, by the way - this is only going to get worse the more popular this site gets bigger.

I think some things on the top of the front page these last few days reflect this type of cultural attack, and I think the users of saidit need to be aware that this activity is happening. This is why voat and so many other alternatives have problems with their culture being hijacked by dedicated extremists. It's a deliberate tactic to poison the well, to lower the signal-to-noise ratio and drive others away. People need to be aware that this is a real problem.

[–][deleted] 72 insightful - 4 fun72 insightful - 3 fun73 insightful - 4 fun -  (46 children)

Very insightful. We need to be on our toes. So many posts making it to the front page advocating censorship.

[–]magnora7[S] 97 insightful - 7 fun97 insightful - 6 fun98 insightful - 7 fun -  (44 children)

It's a problem-reaction-solution situation. They're creating the problem by posting terrible things that technically don't break site rules, and then also posting soon after "How dare saidit allow all these terrible things?" And then whatever our response, saidit can be made to look bad.

If we remove the terrible things (that don't break site rules) then we get accused of censorship, but if we ignore the people concern-trolling about the terrible things then it looks like we're tacitly condoning it. It's a lose-lose position to be in, but that's the whole point of the attack, and why it works in the first place.

I'm starting to think the only real way to overcome this is for the users of the website to become wise to these tactics, so that's why I've decided to speak out about these tactics, because people need to know.

[–]FediNetizen 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

I was one of the people in the comments of those threads and for the record my concerns are entirely genuine. It's just really tiring to interact with people that have obsessive racial worldviews (whether they're right-wing or left-wing). Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

Also, even though I've been on the internet a long time and have a tolerance for extremism personally, that stuff scares away the normies, which will make it harder for the site to grow. I'd really love to be a part of a site like the reddit I knew 10 years ago.

[–]magnora7[S] 66 insightful - 3 fun66 insightful - 2 fun67 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

You don't seem to understand what we're saying. These people don't actually hold these views. They're just saying this stuff, and getting in to fights, because it drives people away from the website.

They're intentionally starting fights and trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists". Their main goal is to drive normal people away, not to actually promote their ideology. The ideology is just a cover to cause chaos and damage the information quality of the forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists".

The term you're looking for is False Flag Attacks and is the oldest trick in the book militarily.

[–]magnora7[S] 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I guess it technically is a false flag attack because they're pretending to be another ideology they don't believe, I've never thought about it like that before. However instead of dropping bombs, they're just making a mess of a good forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

And false flags are always used as a pretense to attack. It's ancient, but a more recent example; Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland. Another example; a few years ago thousands of bomb threats were phoned in to synagogues, they all came from an Israeli teen presumably trying to get the US government to crack down on White Nationalists.

[–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Hm yes true. What you say reminds me of this, where they were talking about planning to do the same thing to Iran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYnjBJZxpGY

[–]Fitter_Happier 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

You know DDOS attacks are illegal don't you? i.e. you are a victim of criminal activity, this isn't just some "activists", these are criminals attacking you. You have every right to call the authorities.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ethnic Germans in Poland were being attacked by military and civilians for many months, Hitler finally went to help them. What you are citing is Russian propaganda.

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I am citing is David Irving's "Hitler's War". Obviously could be wrong but his whole schtick was to only use primary sources so I tend to believe him.

[–]Sage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland" Source?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Hitler's War" by David Irving. If you bust my balls I may even find the page but until then you'll have to trust me, it's in there as I just read it.

[–]motionlessoracle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you sticky a post or a message to the top of /s/all explaining this? Or some kind of message every user is guaranteed to see once?

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice 5D chess

[–]bobbobbybob 28 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 5 fun29 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

I'd really love to be a part of a site like the reddit I knew 10 years ago.

Stop trying to force saidit to be your own personal website. We have our rules, we have our flavour, and its not one thing or another. You can fit in, or FUCK OFF.

It's just really tiring to interact with people that have obsessive racial worldviews

The problem is that YOU define what is 'radical'. So you say that the jewish question is verboten, and demand it is silenced. That in itself is a radical viewpoint for people who have taken off the blinkers and are aware of the undercurrents in the world. But then people like you say that even talking about these things is tantamount to declaring genocide.

it is all so tiring.

Just let people speak, and if you don't like it, say other things that are more engaging or interesting

[–]jet199 22 insightful - 14 fun22 insightful - 13 fun23 insightful - 14 fun -  (3 children)

I've just read that you are just pretending to be racist to make saidit look back so I guess we can just ignore you now.

[–]Nelumbo 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

lol

[–]Extract 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

On a serious note - of course there will be real anti-semites mixed among the shills.

I'll tell you another secret - you could have been laughing at them and ignoring them from the very get-go.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

?

[–]Honestanonymous 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

People are speaking dude...you're the one screaming at them to fuck off if they don't fit in, whats wrong with you?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, so ignore 90% of my post and be a dick, you can fuck off too.

[–]Locke 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm who started one of the threads (and I really appreciate your comments, Fedinetizen.). My concerns are genuine too. I said my piece and I'm glad it was seen.

All I wanted was for mods to see it and I'm glad you did. I was very clear on I just don't want people driven away from the site. Please do something about it if you agree that's all these people are trying to do. I'm not here to only post about that sort of thing, but it bothered me a lot as a new user to see the front page flooded with that. I already know a few people who considered trying Saidit after recent Reddit bans who were turned off by those posts and haven't bothered creating an account here. I'm not disputing their right to make the posts and I agree posting a greater variety of content will help, but we're not going to get more posts if more people don't post here.

The gender critical subs are very active and when I include them in my front page the conspiracy theory and antisemitism posts are drowned out. I've seen the justification for some of these not being in /s/all is they don't allow debate. The people quickly turning to personal attacks because I called them out obviously aren't allowing debate either. Why allow them in /s/all? I'm not saying ban them, I just really don't understand the reasoning behind allowing them to flood the front page, especially if you agree that scaring away new users is exactly what they're after. Why give them the chance?

[–]soundsalad 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Pointing out that a certain group of people disproportionately occupy very influential sectors of society and even claim themselves that they control Hollywood is not inherently racist. It's a provable fact.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

True but that's not the shit we're complaining about and you know it.

[–]soundsalad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who the fuck are you? Don't tell me what I do or don't know. Your post does not indicate at all that you are complaining about anything other than the fact that Jewish Supremacy dominates our society.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now you're getting into the territory I was talking about. It's true to say that black people in america commit more crimes per capita. Where you start talking about how that proves genetic inferiority is where you go off the deep end.

In the same way, it's fine to point out that in comparison to their population Jewish people do wield a lot of influence, but it doesn't mean society is dominated by Jews or that there's some kind of mass conspiracy. That's where you lose people.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep up the education. i'm aware and take great pleasure in telling the shills to fuck off

[–]Riva 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe we should let people know about board slides.

Maybe we could educate our users about the shills. Have an anti shill training sub? I don't know, I'm just free Wheeling here to suggest possible solutions.

Knowledge is power.

[–]copenseethe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This happened on reddit. Subs that were in disfavor (usually right leaning subs) were bombarded with unsavory posts and CP. The people that were responsible for that used it as an argument for banning the sub. Leftwing subs that commonly had posts that called for violence were allowed to continue without interference.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They've been banned now in the name of centrism being the only true political stance

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

iirc there were a few sacrificial lambs but the vast majority of subs banned were merely "right wing". It has everything to with racism/immigration/any criticism of Jewish endeavors, nothing to do with violence per se.

[–]portcity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This strikes me as typical Gamergate style tactics (which I've been on the receiving end of), where the attacker pokes the bear enough times until they get to pose as the victim, making the actual victim out to be the attacker. Really ugly behavior that's difficult to defend against. Slimy and slippery.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. Luckily I am good at ignoring stuff that I know is just trying to mess with me.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So is the DDOS attacks part of a move to force saidit to censorship ?. I still wonder it it's say reddit mods/followers doing this.

[–]anarchy753 53 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 0 fun54 insightful - 1 fun -  (69 children)

Gonna be honest here, I think there's connections being made where there aren't necessarily any.

I made an account anticipating the shutdown of LGBdroptheT, rightfully so.

Just because I want to communicate in a space that isn't going full nazi on free speech doesn't mean that I enjoy having constant anti-jewish racism on the front page. If it were just a sub, then go for it, but I don't particularly want to mute "politics" and just the general "saidit" subs because daily they're spammed with racist bullshit.

It's not that I want censorship, it's that I want these views to have their own distinct places that people are able to mute and hide without hiding the most predominant subs.

It's a forum that will allow you to post views others see as racist, that doesn't mean that everyone here is only here to be constantly bombarded by it.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (63 children)

This is my problem. I'm tired of internet extremism, but the extremists will happily work tirelessly all day every day for free. As if they ever persuade anyone to their asinine conspiracies. The issue is, without the ability for people to filter them out, or filter out places they congregate, they take over for the reason you describe. I'm sick of seeing that shit, and if people can't get it off their feed they'll definitely leave eventually.

[–]anarchy753 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Absolutely. Like I'm more than happy for people to have their crazy theories, and I can hide conspiracy theories from /s/all but then politics is flooded with it. Not the worst, if I actually care about politics I'm probably looking at a sub about a specific branch. Then they're in Saidit, and videos, and whatever and basically anything that hits the front page is filled with them. Just keep it contained so we don't have it forced on us.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I assure you, once you can block individual people (nevermind apparently you have to do it from the inbox page - I forgot old reddit - but sadly not from a users posts), I'm going to be creating a long list. Hopefully the website owner has the sense to implement some sort of filtering sooner, rather than later. It's one thing to host their nonsense, it's quite another to force everyone to be seeing it. Perhaps the best way forward is for people to make their own pages that explicitly disallow off-topic conversations, or racism, in the meanwhile.

Really, these people just perpetually flood wherever they can from /pol/ to try hijacking other places with their BS. Only way to deal with them is to ignore them.

[–]anarchy753 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The issue is as soon as you filter content you're removed from all.

[–]Fitter_Happier 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

As if they ever persuade anyone to their asinine conspiracies

This is where you're wrong. If it weren't for the non-stop censorship driven by the ADL, most public forums swing right due to good arguments of the right, because the Left has no logical argument, they MUST censor to give the appearance of winning arguments.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

Oh really? Such as? Enlighten me.

[–]Fitter_Happier 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (40 children)

This will take a while but you could start here: https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/07/13/secure-tolerance-the-jewish-plan-to-permanently-silence-the-west-part-1/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Nope. The same kind of BS you get from communists blaming the capitalists. Blaming ideological positions on specific groups of people when, on the whole, they align more with geography and wealth to begin with. If you cannot actually defend your position, I'm not going to waste my time. All you have is a conspiracy theory on the basis that some Jews have opinions you don't like, and an opinion shared by plenty of other races with high income brackets. Ultimately all your gripes amount to is "Waaaah some Jews do better than me and believe things I don't like waaaah"

[–]Fitter_Happier 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

as if you read that in the last 2 minutes. fucking ignoramus.

[–]Anatolia 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

he's not debating in good faith and is breaking the rules of the debate pyramid

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

I'm intimately familiar with this kind of thing from having argued with people like you for half a decade. Can you actually come up with a defense of your position? No? I thought not. Because it's always the same from people like you. You pretend nobody can argue against you, and the second anybody does you cry about it and claim victory. Feel free to make an attempt, maybe you somehow have some magical argument that presents your side as more than just conspiracy theorists looking for someone to blame for your failures.

[–]Anatolia 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

You should read the debate pyramid

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

you are at the point of namecalling. but keep going

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Being able to block people is not censorship. You have no right to my thoughts. Nobody does. The fundamental difference compared to what's being invaded with here, and the positions you outlined, is all 3 of them granted fair personal liberties to people who should never have been denied them in the first place. "Jews did it" is not about personal liberty, it's about trying to encourage hate and supremacy opposed to an imaginary nemesis - like the communists against the rich.

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      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      Knock yourself out. I not only found zero truth to them, but found plenty of the opposite in both cases. BLM is based on a lie, as is any other group trying to essentialize their life problems to some other race. And instead of addressing real problems, like police misconduct our necessary overhauls our judicial system needs (like reducing prosecutorial power) go entirely unnoticed while extremists make up fictional problems and enemies to fight.

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        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        The issue is, I've done this for many years now. Starting with creationists some 15-20 years ago. The fact is I've never seen any shred of evidence a particular kind of person wants to actually have a discussion. You must've seen this, they rove around in groups and mass-report people trying to debate them on places like Twitter or Youtube. Platforms actively unlist and derank critics of certain ideologies, and the result is you're flipping a coin hoping the rush to implement the mobs demands doesn't backfire. And the mob doesn't want to talk.

        A perfect example here is qualified immunity. It is being and has been abused, but do you really think the ideal solution is totally removing it? How many people do you think would want to be a public servant if making a mistake now makes you legally liable for the consequences? Qualified immunity has far reaching consequences way beyond just the police.

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          [–]Brokinnoggin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah, nah. Nazi rhetoric isn't ever going to be the go to... Which is what people are wanting to not see.

          [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I think a reasonable approach is to let individuals decide what they don't want to see. Don't like the bullshit references to jewish conspiracies? Filter. Tired of "white supremacy" being thrown around whenever someone's holds a door open for an elderly black lady? Filter. Whether left or right, these assholes get off on other people getting angry. So if you don't see them, you can just let them shout themselves blue into the void.

          [–]1hairlessmonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Only weak easily offended people. Honestly, if you dont like what someone has to say simply move on, you don't have to agree or respond, just find something that appeals to you and go there. I genuinely don't understand what the problem is, to me, its very helpful to have free speech, when people tell you what is in their mind then its easy to know whom to avoid. Of course there is going to be alot of terrible statements popping up on these sites because people can be immature and think its funny, or whatever reasons there may be, doesn't mean it will drive people away. If it does then I would suggest those folks would be wise to stay off the internet because its everywhere!! You will always have those people who try and ruin things for everyone, don't play along and maybe it doesn't change things but doesn't have to ruin things either

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          ...And? Did you miss the entire context where people are simply asking for the ability to mute/block people? Idiots can say whatever they want. Other people can be spared having to read it. If you truly think "It's everywhere", it says a lot more about your chosen haunts than it does the supposed "weakness" of people who don't want to have their time wasted.

          [–]1hairlessmonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          You can block people quite easily. There is a little square that you can click on that says "block user".

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          If they reply. Currently, not preemptively. And at the time the post was being discussed mute sub had only just been introduced. Do try to actually understand the context of what you're replying to, if you please? Or at least ask if you're confused.

          [–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The issue is these people aren't extremist. They're mostly left wing Reddit liberals and cucks that don't want their internet stranglehold weakened. They do the same thing with gab. They litter the site with extremist prop with alt accounts so they can go "see see see, look how extreme and racist that site is, it should be shut down!"

          [–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          "politics" and just the general "saidit" subs because daily they're spammed with racist bullshit.

          The problem is politics is all about "racism" and "antisemitism" because those are the central issues in Washington, period. You cannot find a hot topic in DC that doesn't boil down to immigration, it's proponents and opponents. But it's immediately conflated, nearly always by the Jews that write "the news" with fucking Hitler and "the Holocaust". Want to put up a border wall? Hitler would have too. Want to limit immigration and deport illegal aliens? Sounds like some Nazi concentration camps. and on and on and on it goes. It's fucking tiresome hearing about "the holocaust" when you're discussion Guatemalan anchor babies and multilingual ballots for people that don't speak English, etc. Want socialized medicine, but can't do with open borders? Uh oh, here comes Hitler. Don't blame the right for bringing up racism and Jews, they're the ones fanning the flames.

          [–]justjoggin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          it's that I want these views to have their own distinct places

          Can you link to some specific examples of racist views being expressed out of place?

          [–]CarlDung 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Tbh, in a multicultural globalism, most people drift towards extreme ideals as they notice how nothing in the undiluted capitalism makes sense. By sense I mean things which give meaning and value, a purpose. Nobody can accept an amoral world.

          [–]KKKTranny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          jews should almost be paid to use this site as long as they believe in free speech.
          I respect cis-only spaces just like I respect trans-only spaces/rights. if more people were with me on this the site would thrive.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          But you have your block user button. Serious question- why doesn't this suffice? Hitting block user a bunch of times is, to my way of thinking a small price to pay for freedom of speech.

          You can't have progress and innovation without personalities that are extreme. Nature produces those people and some very small number of them take us all to place we never imagined and the rest are just waste.

          It's the same thing with Free Speech. OK so a lot of it is waste and offensive. That's not its utility. It's utility is people using it to fearlessly think out loud. Even listening to Nazis has value to someone trying to understand what makes them Nazis. To defuse a bomb, you have to know the bomb from the inside out. Engaging with Nazis is the only way to defuse a Nazi. Marcuse's "repressive tolerance" isn't any form of tolerance, it's repression. It's the Marcuse's neurotic need to control other people and what they think because, like every fascist, he had no personal boundaries. That actually is a characteristic he shared with men from his era- Hitler Stalin Mao Mussilini. He looked and talked and thought in terms and categories like his "enemies"; the time makes the man, no big surprise.

          Fascism has never taken hold in the US just because we have freedom of speech and the majority are reasonable. Where you did produce fascism in Europe is just where they banned freedom of speech. Silence is the sound of fascism finishing off the last of the resistance.

          [–][deleted] 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

          They will also cite the new influx of users as a good thing, and threaten it ends if $demandList isn't met, while in reality much of this activity is artificially created by those shills (not most votes, just the early spike that makes it visible enough for other people to upvote it for the sake of discussion).

          This isn't going to stop, by the way - this is only going to get worse the more popular this site gets bigger.

          Ironically, giving everyone freedom also gives intelligence agencies and large organizations the opportunity to be deliberately malicious. What can you even do about it? There are no simple answers.

          [–]magnora7[S] 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

          What can you even do about it?

          I think this is the biggest question on the internet right now. No one has solved it, and I'm not sure it's solvable either. But it's clear some approaches are better than others, and I'd like to think saidit's design will help us weather these types of attacks

          [–][deleted] 35 insightful - 4 fun35 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

          Saidit is definitely a step in the right direction. It takes the best aspects of what came before and attempts to improve. The work you do here is admirable for sure.

          [–]magnora7[S] 24 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

          Thank you.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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            [–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            <3

            [–]bobbobbybob 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            being able to block users (from one's personal experience) without needing to engage in pms with them first would let us create comfy silos for ourselves, whilst not changing the site for others

            [–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

            Yeah that block feature is near the top of our todo list, we also think it's a great idea, but there are programming hurdles that have to be overcome. If anyone wants to help develop such a feature, we'd definitely bring it in to the saidit site code. Here's the open source if anyone is feeling ambitious: https://github.com/libertysoft3/saidit

            [–]spinell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            what can be done about it

            Hi! So Im a member of a huge swedish forum for free speach https://www.flashback.org/ 1.3 million users since 1997, that is often under all sorts of attacks and have to deal with lots of trolls and also authorities and attacks, leaks etc. They have a few admins and lots of mods. The way they dealt with these issues is quite authoritarian and also arbitrary but it kinda works. They made a new rule called quality before quantity. It is only the admin that can enforce, and basicly it means that the admin has the power to remove a post or ban a user completely at his own volition. Obvioulsy people complained and it is rarely used. But admin there is sort of beyond reproach, and highly trusted, and in the end he says "well if you dont like it just leave this is a private forum". Keeps a lot of bs at bay. Just throwing this out there. Good luck with everything.

            [–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Thanks for the info. Sounds like an ok system, but a bit arbitrary and up to whims perhaps. I imagine it being in Swedish helps, as there's more shills and propaganda in English I would think. I am envious of that aspect

            [–]raslyana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Monarchy works as long as you have a good monarch. It's the succession that causes the problems.

            [–]Marsupial 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Lol Flashback is racist as fuck and is a huge echochamber where every disagreement is shouted down. It's not possible to discuss anything there that goes againt the forum circlejerk. Flashback is not what Saidit should emulate.

            [–]spinell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Excuse me?

            https://media2.giphy.com/media/d2Z32wTIuPl6iHuw/giphy.gif?cid=82a1493benekc89zebsgwf0gw2yl8vitql49vem4xiyv4hj7&rid=giphy.gif

            [–]whistlepig 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

            Personally I was a fan of the way reddit did it when that site was first created. The point of the voting was two fold. One to vote things up so people can judge what the public thinks is worth checking out, but also the ability to down vote for the opposite reason. At the time there were no moderators. The voting system allowed all individuals to adjust the voting level of comments and posts they wanted to have displayed and hidden. Sure reddit was completely loaded with the kind of comments and posts we're bitching about presently, but they always had negative votes within an hour or less so you didn't see them unless you had thick skin and voluntarily turned on the "show all" option.

            This was great for me (who has thick skin) and also for everyone else (and occasionally me when i wasn't in the mood) who didn't. Unfortunately as the site gained popularity there was an influx of people who didn't get it, the site went corporate, and being corporate they became nervous about having the ugliness on their site. And here we are.

            Maybe ruqqus or others will be able to bring that system back. Voat tried, but I think you're right. It got swamped by the manipulators before it could balance out. Clearly you have a different idea. So far it has worked well. Although I worry about it not having a method for the individual to easily hide content they don't want to see.

            [–]magnora7[S] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            I agree somewhat, but when reddit started the terrain was so much different though, there weren't large groups of people doing organized social attacks on the regular to try and destroy forums. That wasn't really a thing. Now it's mainstreamed and common. So the same system reddit had just doesn't work in today's climate, because too many people are too familiar with how to abuse the downvotes, and they group up to do it. And there's people who work in PR that this is literally their job, to manipulate forums to generate a false consensus to push narratives, or to destroy places of open communication by flooding them with irrational hatred. In 2005, it was just a few trolls having fun. In 2020 it's groups of hundreds of people trying to destroy your forum actively for months on end because they think it's a fun game. These different situations require different approaches to protect the people just trying to actually use the forum.

            [–]Honestanonymous 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

            Maybe u can have a shill-o-meter or troll-o-meter where people can rate shills or trolls, it doesn't do anything just adds them a tag (possible shill or troll) lolz

            [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

            Well the thing is... any classification system like that will be used more by the trolls than the real people so it will be gamed by the trolls to make the non-trolls look like trolls, and then they own the system and thus the website culture.

            The real problem is any voting system gets hijacked. That's why we got rid of the downvote. No votes would almost be best... or maybe it just needs to be way harder to create an account, from the moment the website starts.

            [–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Hm damn thats tricky....I guess maybe drivers license verification would be the ultimate

            [–]thebonkest 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            I don't think there are any real technological solutions to this. What we really need are political solutions.

            The human race and the planet itself are going through some extreme labor pains right now. We can only hope it, and its child, survive -- and that that child is not a monster.

            [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            I think even more deeply than political solutions, we need cultural solutions. And cultural solutions come about by one person changing the way they think, and then another, and another...

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            And that's why they use demoralization and ideological subversion directed at culture. The best method at creating an apathetic and ignorant public.

            [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Which at this point legitimately might not happen. :(

            Please convince me I'm wrong.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            I would like a list of "SHILLS" and "TROLLS" and "Delirious opinions" as well as "opposing views". By this I mean personal lists. I would love to tag somebody as SHILL and follow his posts around and verify that they are, one way or another. And "Opposing views" people for when I feel like arguing. And of course "Friends" can stay for comfy cozy sharing of info.

            Wishing is fine and dandy but it's work and you're busy, so I never talked about it before.

            [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            It would be cool if there was a site like saidit but somehow federated on the user level, so users could decide what other users to associate or not associate with.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I like this site the way it is. I want to talk to (well, almost) everybody. Some to argue with and demonstrate how they are wrong, others to agree with, and yet others to help inform me.

            [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            The scary thing is intelligence agencies such as DARPA can send in sophisticated bots to control public discourse. They are programmed in such a way that it is hard to detect their behaviors.

            But the more there is, the more you can see it.

            I'd imagine they will ise the insightful button and we will be seeing some highly upvoted insightful posts that are not so insightful.

            [–]Extract 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            You can do a lot of things about it.
            What you wont find is a silver bullet to solve this quickly and easily - however, here are three simple (in concept, not implementation) solutions:

            1. [Technical] Keep up to date and improve systems for user activity pattern detection (strange spikes of upvotes, upvoting threads/comments they never viewed before, etc).

            2. [Organizational] As the forum owners, keep the users aware of the shill attacks, and educated to understand how they operate.

            3. [Crowd Sourced (what you can do)] Keep other users educated about shill tactics. I have, in fact, just created the future sub where such efforts can be organized.

            [–]LarrySwinger2 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            It'd be nice to see a technical solution to this that won't disrupt authentic posting. Until then, I think the best solution is to ridicule them, so we show newbies what we're about and what we aren't about.

            [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            My man: Let's rain some hell on their sorry asses. We outnumber them 10:1 ! So according to sun tzi attack is justifiable and has good chances.

            We don't even need to leave this site. Purifying should come from the inside, otherwise it is rather obtuse or imposed.

            [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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              [–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              It's the eye that should be at the top.

              On a serious note: I'm not advocating for ridiculing to be used to disrupt debate. But it's a good way of replying to trolls.

              [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Ridiculing somebody's opinion can be done smartly and tastefully. It doesn't have to be "name-calling" or "using ridicule", it can be done through simple logical refutation. It is usually the most effective method anyway. I enjoy it a lot.

                [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                he speaks the truth, lol. i'm assuming the crowd you responded to and moved to fix the thing that wasnt broken was the sjw libtard concern trolls from reddit not likin what they saw from various subs here.

                sometimes its bad to bend over to the crowd that shouts the loudest, lol. which just happens to be the clownworld libtard types.

                [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Unfortunately in my experience without a concerted effort and ability to block out the extremists, they absolutely will drive everybody else away. There needs to be a block and mute feature.

                [–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                It's a deliberate tactic to poison the well, to lower the signal-to-noise ratio and drive others away.

                This is why we can't have nice things :-(

                [–]motionlessoracle 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Sorry your site is having to deal with this.

                "Reddit banned us for saying things other people didn't like."

                "How dare people on saidit say things I find offensive?!"

                Sigh.

                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                Yeah, I honestly find the majority of the site unusable now lol. I've been a observing a lot of the new accounts since they came over. I think the PoD worked great when the site was smaller and works well for small groups or maybe SubSaidIts, but for the website as a whole, there needs to be an established set of rules like "SaidIt's 10 Commandments" with things written in stone, that are clear and not open to subjective interpretation, and if people disobey those then maybe a 24 hour ban, then 72, then a week, a month and finally a permaban so you can't say it wasn't fair.

                I know I'm just one person and you can't please everybody. But I feel like something has to be setup to prevent these accounts from taking power and trying to change the culture of SaidIt. Otherwise I feel it will get to be too much eventually. You have no idea how many times I've seen new users comment saying things like:

                "We fucked up Reddit, we have SaidIt, let's not fuck it up it, so let's set things straight, these are the topics we should avoid and this is what's acceptable:"

                then proceed to follow with their personal list of topics they feel lead to the downfall of Reddit (such as discussing Zionism), and will have other accounts chime in agreeing with them and other accounts disagreeing and it just turns into a fight each time. Why are new accounts constantly trying to establish "guidelines" for topics and discussion?

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                Why are new accounts constantly trying to establish "guidelines" for topics and discussion?

                I agree... but I also have to say that's also exactly what your first paragraph was

                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                I'm sorry if you think that's what I was doing..

                That's why I said:

                "I know I'm just one person and you can't please everybody."

                I've actually changed the way I use the website since the refugees came; I mostly stick to the music subs now and never made any threads telling people how to use the website or go about anything (or mentioning the shift in website culture). This thread was made so I just threw in my 2 cents. I know opinions are like assholes lol. We were literally labeled as centrists before, and now ever since the influx of refugees, everyday on s/all we're getting called alt-right, and people are trying to reestablish acceptable topics to discuss on this website when they just joined it lol.. I was just pointing that out, and saying something should be done to curb that, but you are right, nothing has to be done. And it was just my opinion, I wasn't making a demand from anybody like the new accounts are.

                [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                I'm not mad, I'm just saying that it's a very common impulse to do so, and even your post is evidence of that, so we just kind of have to accept that people are going to keep constantly trying to lay down their ideas of what the rules should be, and everyone's ideas will be slightly different.

                Yeah we're definitely being attempted to be labeled as altright right now, both by the people posting altright stuff, and the people who are also reacting to it constantly in very visible posts. The two sides feed off each other, and in the end it just ruins the website. And they know that, and that's their goal.

                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I agree with almost everything you said, and I’m sorry but again, I have to disagree with you about my comment. My comment isn’t an example of the “impulse to do that”. We’ve spoken about the PoD in the past; I think you know where I stand on that topic and I think through our minimal interactions as well as the reasons for those interactions, you should have a general idea of the type of person I am and try to be.

                You know I have never attempted to force my views, my stances or my feelings about things onto other users, or told them what was acceptable content to discuss and what wasn’t. I’ve stood up for the PoD many times in the past when it was attacked and still believe it’s a great system; we’ve discussed it in PMs. In my example, these users are trying to change the acceptable dialogue of this website by making it appear like there’s a lot of support for their opinion for things 2 change, when it’s all new accounts. Their posts are getting more upvotes than the average upvoted number 1 thread on a good day, and the rest of the other threads not concerning SaidIt, it’s identity, it’s user base, it’s politics, or the need to change the way users speak and interact. So even with the influx of new users, these threads are still getting up-voted unproportionally compared to the others. That’s subversive.

                That was what my example was about; the subversive behavior, and my comment was in no way subversive and tbh, I do find it offensive that you keep inferring that I too was being subversive to YOU, when you just helped me lmao. And you keep stating "my comment is an “example” of how it’s human nature to do what the new accounts are doing", and "I just did what I’m stating they’re doing", when my opinion on things hasn’t changed, and that’s all my comment was - an innocent opinion. I didn’t even expect you to take it with a grain of salt which is why I said “opinions are like assholes” & “I know you can’t please everybody”, inferring, “this is my opinion, I don’t expect you or anyone to do anything about it”. I even mentioned how I changed the way I am using SaidIt as a result of the current going-ons & mainly sticking to music subs - that’s anything but subversive or malevolent.

                I just want to make sure I am being clear and you understand what I am saying, as well as what my original comment was saying; again, I’m not trying to be subversive with you nor argue with you, I just want to make sure I’m clear so you understand where I was coming from (I was just sharing my opinion which has never changed since I joined this website lol). I never thought you were mad, but sharing my opinion which is on topic w/ the discussion at hand in a thread created by someone other than myself relating to the topic where other old users are also sharing opinions, is nowhere near the same as creating threads and trying to inject your narrative into a website whilst forum sliding.

                [–]jjdub7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                I heard ignoring narcissists makes them go away. Have we tried that in response to $demandList?

                [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                Yes that is what we are doing now, and then they DDOS us and make more fake accounts with fake upvotes to make it harder to ignore them.

                [–]jjdub7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                I'm assuming in making the sock accounts they're needing to use new emails and manually complete captchas though?

                Is it possible to configure a weighting algorithm to "tune" out the troll/white noise/fake accounts - something like weighting users' posting/voting based on number of other users' non-reciprocal upvotes times days active? something that would only ensure true user interactions are being counted?

                That way 'cultural' attackers wouldn't be able to scale beyond one sub at a time and would necessarily require a team to brigade. prohibitively expensive and all that.

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                We don't require emails to register.

                They might be completing the registration capchas manually, but it's possible they've figured out a way to bot it

                [–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                What if I told you, that the last refugee wave was large enough for some propaganda organizations to put this site on their radar?

                What if I told you the concern trolls posting those threads/comments are the first wave of shills, whose goal is to slowly corrupt this site the same way most platforms (like many subreddits, in their time) get corrupted? Notice how most of those concern trolls highlight problems that could actually be solved by their own participation - but, that would actually help the site, while their goal is clearly to (slowly) undermine it.

                This was creepy to read. I happened upon this post because I clicked some topic heading and ended up here. Your post was a helpful warning. Is there anything else we should avoid?

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Just be the change you want to see on the forum! Post the things you think should be posted. That's what we need most. Good quality information to combat the tons of bad information

                [–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Thank you, I appreciate the advice and will do that. I like your Gandhi reference “you must be the change you wish to see.” It’s a great application.

                [–]Entropick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                JIDF in da haus!

                [–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                So what can we do about it?

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Tell others, and help them be aware. This stuff only works because people don't realize it's happening.

                [–]magnora7[S] 63 insightful - 3 fun63 insightful - 2 fun64 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                Attack is still ongoing, we've blocked 7.34 million fraudulent connection attempts so far. That's about 10x our previous record for a single attack... holy moly. Still not taking our servers down though, and we don't even our defenses turned up all the way! A lot of wasted resources on their part

                [–][deleted] 77 insightful - 6 fun77 insightful - 5 fun78 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

                Slightly conspiratorial, but last time reddit had a ban wave, they did this to voat when everyone migrated and it killed any attempt to make voat viable. This is deliberate to keep other social media from taking root.

                [–]Shadow_Death 29 insightful - 5 fun29 insightful - 4 fun30 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                I remember that happening to Voat. It doesn't surprise me that it's happening here. When you look over at Reddit that place is slowly dying. Today was the first day in weeks that I woke up to new shit on the front page. They keep getting more and more extreme with their rules and they keep running people off. I honestly feel like what they're doing is running off the older redditors. When you think about it everything they're pushing on reddit is the shit they've been pushing since this latest generation. Everyone gets a trophy, free healthcare, free college, socialism, socialism, socialism. I've noticed over the years that reddit has become more socialist over the years, to the point where they took Tencent money and now delete just about all anti-China posts. Reddit should change its logo to the Red Star.

                [–][deleted] 39 insightful - 3 fun39 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                They want to indoctrinate children and teenagers into their trans cult, and become the next P0rnhub. I know, I sound like a lunatic, but the more I read about the whole phenomenon the more I think there's truth to it.

                [–]Jesus 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Socialism? Reddit is literally neoliberalism. Why hasn't /r/neocon been banned there. It's all about keeping the establishment as it is.

                [–]MrZak 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                This is exactly what happened to voat, First it was ddos'ed to oblivion for months on end.

                Then burner accounts started posting CP to small subreddits and informing authorities / webhosts to get them kicked off of hosting companies.

                Then honeytrap links to discord/office365 auth pages designed to try to dox voat members.

                Then they placed voat under the antisemitism section of wikipedia for like a year.

                All of this will be coming to seddit in the coming months/years @magnora7 please prepare for this shit in advance the best you can !

                [–]spinell 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                This is serious. Stay strong.

                [–]Honestanonymous 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah! Go magnora7 go!

                [–]PencilPusher55 51 insightful - 3 fun51 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 3 fun -  (32 children)

                This attack, whatever it is that despises our views so much is the most cancerous, relentless, and evil piece of shit ideology to ever plague the earth.

                No, this is not code for something antisemitic, it's just that fact that if people that think like us are on facebook. REMOVED. Instagram. REMOVED. Youtube. REMOVED. Twitter. REMOVED.

                So what do we do? Move to a new place where we aren't censored and can freely express our opinions like people on the other side of the isle have. Good, are you happy? You're free to speak without our "bigoted" interjections and posts..... BUT WHAT HAPPENS?

                They come and attack our platforms! It's not enough to purge us from their platforms, they want complete and total annihilation of us as a whole.

                Why is it? Fear that they'll lose another election? Pure hatred? I just don't understand it.

                [–]yishengqingwa666 78 insightful - 3 fun78 insightful - 2 fun79 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                Guessing it's outraged TIMs trying to get at the women who came here after they banned all our radfem and gender critical subs.

                http://pfox.org/Shame-Rage.pdf

                [–]magnora7[S] 53 insightful - 3 fun53 insightful - 2 fun54 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                Could very well be, I do know this attack was 50x worse than any DDOS attack we've had before, according to the numbers. So it would fit with the idea of it being related to the new crowd that just arrived, as it's an unusual attack

                [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Aaaah. Was wondering about that.

                [–]jet199 31 insightful - 8 fun31 insightful - 7 fun32 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

                Yep, they don't call them programming socks for no reason.

                [–]magnora7[S] 44 insightful - 3 fun44 insightful - 2 fun45 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                There's a lot of different motives.

                China gov't doesn't want us talking openly about it. US gov't doesn't want us talking about them either. Nor does Shareblue, nor does Cambridge Analytica. Neither does Israel's government. Neither do a lot of mods on reddit want people talking about what they're doing. I could go on. There are big-time players and small-time players. There are so many shady organizations and ideologies that hate it when people are able to call out their wrongdoing in an open forum, so they will destroy that forum.

                Who knows which person or group in particular was responsible for tonight's attacks. They're too cowardly to say, they just want us taken down.

                It's all about narrative control, in the end. This is the censorship we have to defend against.

                [–]bobbobbybob 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                cockroaches fear the light.

                [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

                You know something is up when I've been called a "kike" numerous times in the last few days. I've noticed there are a lot of newcomers that just act like they are following the Forum slide method.

                Bitchute is notorious for this. They have paid internet trolls literally agree with you only to take it too far and then turn on you and call for genocide or something.

                It's all by design.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                I never use antisemitic remarks, shit I never use racial remarks. It's a shame that now even right-wingers are turning on each other.

                [–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                It's a shame that now even right-wingers are turning on each other.

                Curious and strange narrative you're pushing there.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                Oh, stop. Am I a shill, too? No. We all know that most people with Conservative viewpoints were pushed off all of the other media platforms and are now on here attacking one another, mostly over the jew posts. It's not a narrative, it's just what's happening.

                [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                It is a narrative. Propagated by shills. So many posts in the past few days defending Jews as a whole when beforehand users like me personally have specifically exposed specific Jewish criminality not to be mistaken with all Jews.

                They are trying to scapegoat saidit using generalization and reductio ad absurdum fallacies. It isn't going to work.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Good god, I just said that most posts are not rooted in antisemitism.

                [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Annnnd? Remember it is the perception, not what is true.

                [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                Funny, I never said you were a shill, but you got defensive unusually quick!

                This narrative has been entwined into some of your other posts too. Sure, your peculiar narrative may seem that way to the casual observer, but for someone who has been watching for years, right leaning people are more united than ever before.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                That's why the entire front page is filled with people saying they want to leave this website because of what's being posted? They're more united than ever, really?

                [–]Zahn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Here's a clue: if someone doesn't like a platform...they just leave. They don't usually make a site wide public spectacle of it...except for....reasons. Some attention whores will do this, but the others...

                [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                Hmmmm... yes. I see what you're trying to do. It isn't working.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                You are mentally ill.

                [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Fallacy. Stick to Pyramid of debate.

                [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Now say something nice.

                [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                /u/azaad

                Classic... and muted

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Been noticing a lot of this kind of narrative on Saidit recently...

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                No idea what you're on about.

                [–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                Why is it? Fear that they'll lose another election? Pure hatred? I just don't understand it.

                You've been around long enough to have the answer to this. It's like you're feigning ignorance. If you genuinely don't "get it" then ask someone knowledgeable for the "Eli 5".

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                You're gay.

                [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Doesn't using the same tactics get boring for you after awhile? Or even not having the intellectual capacity to.....create....a new tactic? *yawn, bores me and I don't even use them.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Hahah okay oy vey.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                Let me guess, THE JEWS?

                [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                No, you intentionally daft simpleton.

                Also, you were supposed to say: Duh Joos

                Predictable, unoriginal, low effort, no integrity.

                [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Oy vey....

                [–]Blabbermouf 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Something else I don't think is talked about enough is the Chinese digital armies, and I mean literally their military, all on the computer infiltrating tons of who knows what. It is obvious many of the main Reddit subs get things pushed to the front page by bots, and comments are likely people posing as someone else and very well may be Chinese military. There's so many comments about how Communism is a great idea, and apologists for it.

                [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                It's Hasbara.

                [–]Nona_Biba 39 insightful - 4 fun39 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                I bet you a dollar the dipshits at against hate subreddits finally went into withdrawal and had to silence gendercritical and lgbdropthet again. Apparently they resorted to posting child porn on one of the now- banned subreddits before the latest ban wave. And one of the old GC mods has screencaps of the modlog before gc got banned-someone was reporting literally everything as "child porn" receipts. Now whether that means there actually WAS cp posted or if they were fraudently reporting im not sure.

                [–]magnora7[S] 31 insightful - 4 fun31 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah they've tried similar crap here, this is a big part of why we have a no porn rule

                [–]Raavan 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                Ahaha it's like the dog paradox or whatever it is called: the dog chases so many cars but he wouldn't know what to do with them once he actually caught one.

                the cup which AHS has chosen to fill has no bottom. You get rid of all dissenting opinions on reddit. Yay, not a single person on the website who isn't a communist islamic transgender atheist homosexual queer furry RGB CMYK community member. Now what? Has life changed? No. Bardfinn is still a loser who lives in a small shack in texas policing the internet when they should be spending time with their son. Rest of the AHS mods will celebrate but everyone's lives are unchanged - even people banned from reddit will have, by now, found the n number of websites to waste their time on.

                So, the chase continues. they will still chase the cars, these rabid dogs.

                [–][deleted] 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                A similar thing happened to r/detrans:

                https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Cabal/comments/hovzp7/rdetrans_gets_spammed_with_false_reports_a_day/

                [–]womenopausal 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                I am that old GC mod and I can confirm there was no CP. All images had to be manually approved by the mod team before they were posted so that there was nothing untoward. We were particuarly stringent on non-anonymised screenshots so we didn't fall foul of Reddit's rules - not least because there were armies waiting to report any slipup. It would have caught any pornographic images as well. All new posters were put through manual approval until they'd been around for a while so you couldn't just show up and create a scene with no history. I never saw any CP in all my time modding r/GC, just a bunch of scabby cocks on one occasion. The rest of the trollposts were just inane shut up terf anime meme bullshit that noone but us ever saw. I think they must have known it would be impossible to plant shit on our sub so they didn't even try.

                [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                What does womenopausal mean? 🙂

                [–]womenopausal 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                It's just menopausal with 'wo' in front of it.

                [–][deleted] 37 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                Does that explain all of the pro-censorship shills on the front page today/recently?

                [–]magnora7[S] 29 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                I think some of it's organic, but yes I think that's party why that whole "drama" (both sides of it) is being intentionally manifested

                [–]Chipit 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Next step is to post ugly shit and then report you to cloudflare for TOS violations. You can bet on it. I hope the backup hosting plan is worked out.

                [–]magnora7[S] 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah we did all that over a year ago already, that's old news

                [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I think it does between the two of us

                [–]uwubunny 33 insightful - 8 fun33 insightful - 7 fun34 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

                I'd bet this is because you're now the internet's major venue for the most controversial and detested political view in the history of the human race:

                Women exist.

                [–]yishengqingwa666 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                D'iaieeeee twansphobiaaaaa

                [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Cuntophobia

                [–]TokLwdSaNthg 33 insightful - 7 fun33 insightful - 6 fun34 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

                "You've got a real nice place here. It'd be a real shame if anything were to ... happen to it. If you know what I mean"

                [–]magnora7[S] 41 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

                I literally get DMs that are almost exactly this on a weekly basis. Sometimes even from mods on saidit. Not even joking. It gets real old.

                [–]TokLwdSaNthg 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

                Sorry for any PTSD the joke may have caused - you’re doing gods work. The “Protection Racket” is real but it’s not clear (to me) who and what they want. ruqqus was also having trouble around the same time

                [–]magnora7[S] 32 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                No worries, it's just part of the job.

                Yes these same things are affecting ruqqus and notabug and many others. It's gotten to the point where if you try to start a forum (especially a modern reddit-style one), this style of cultural attack just part of the territory. It didn't used to be like this 15 years ago, maybe even it wasn't like this 5 years ago, but it is now.

                Alternative forums need to learn from each other, to build the best defenses against these cultural attacks, because this problem is becoming more and more of a "thing", much like DDOS attacks. On average Saidit gets DDOS attacked literally 9 days out of 10, so the fact they'd be doing cultural attacks around the clock would also be unsurprising.

                It could be any number of people or organizations doing this. It's very hard to tell. That's part of what makes the attacks so hard to stop. They're all just normal users until they show their true colors

                [–]bobbobbybob 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                Seemed to pick up around the time the saudis built their internet ops division, imo. about 2016

                [–]magnora7[S] 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                Interesting. I've had run-ins with JIDF before. And I've had run-ins with ShareBlue and Cambridge Analytica as well. Didn't know the saudis had a branch too. I guess everyone will soon, every country and every corporation. It'll be the new "native advertising" to hijack forums and sway minds by creating false consensus. What a future to look forward to /s

                [–]Exconduckducktor 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I wish I wasn't alone in my friend circle in being aware of this madness

                [–]soundsalad 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Just curious - how do you know they were from JIDF, ShareBlue and Cambridge?

                [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Well the JIDF ones are because they literally put a JIDF flag on a sub they stole from me through a fraudulent attack through redditrequests https://www.reddit.com/r/undeleteundelete/

                The Shareblue ones are because they run most of the political aspects of reddit, and Cambridge Analytica because they run thedonald.win

                [–]whistlepig 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                It was definitely happening 5 years ago... but its definitely worse and they've gotten much better at it.

                [–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah I guess 5 years ago I wasn't an admin or mod, and was only seeing it from the user perspective still, which makes it not seem as bad.

                I miss that 1998 internet when it was just people talking to people, and these forum-destroying tactics didn't really exist.

                [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I would bet money that it's either one of the U.S.'s political faction or intelligence agencies trying to destroy political opposition.

                [–]whistlepig 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                You should make posts out of them. That would be entertaining. ;]

                Maybe make a sub for them.

                [–]magnora7[S] 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

                Ugh I don't want to give the attackers one more bit of attention, they thrive on that, so it'd only be inviting more attacks, imo. I think that's why most admins don't speak out about this stuff, because even just talking about it often causes more attacks.

                [–]brbmodule 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                i beg to differ. the attacks happen, putting up a banner that said something along the line "currently under fire from geo region X" doesn't give more attention to them. you just point out an obvious fact. furthermore it looks like saidit can fend of the brunt of it, the countermeasures are working. so you're ahead of that game keep doing that.

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                furthermore it looks like saidit can fend of the brunt of it, the countermeasures are working

                Yeah this is the only reason I feel comfortable talking about it at all. In the past when we couldn't handle it, talking about it was frightening because it would likely just invite more attacks

                [–]whistlepig 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                you may have a point....

                [–]magnora7[S] 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                This kind of thing is the stuff that eats admins up inside... I want to be transparent, but I also don't want this place to be an endless battleground, and I don't want to bring any more attacks on saidit. It feels like an impossible choice, tbh

                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                We are with you, if only in spirit, Magnora7.

                [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                Yeah, don't let them get to you. Treat them like pets. Ignore them when they want attention.

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I understand, but I also don't want to become so hardened that I can't recognize a legitimate concern when it comes along

                [–]quipu 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                What about publishing regular reports (quarterly?) to show the number of DDOS attacks, the number and category of personal attacks, unusual activity from various IP/geographic regions, a summary of suspected cultural attacks, and anything else of interest?

                This would demonstrate Saidit's resilience, and may help admins of other sites better understand the kinds of attacks they will face.

                Edit: it also depersonalizes and minimizes the attacks, so it should make the attackers feel less rewarded.

                [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Not a bad idea, I will consider that some more.

                [–]Vigte 32 insightful - 5 fun32 insightful - 4 fun33 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                I have no idea how you do it Magnora (and the whole team!), you're (all) amazing.

                [–]magnora7[S] 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                Cheers

                [–]magnora7[S] 32 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                Our connection counts log per hour looks like this:

                7pm: 241,253 connections (normal traffic)

                8pm: 227,166 connections

                9pm: 3,918,069 connections

                10pm: 11,287,220 connections

                Seems like someone has a botnet at their disposal or something, there's no way one computer can generate so many requests I don't think

                edit: 11pm: 6,990,516 connections

                12am: 1,196,567 connections

                So maybe getting back to normal...

                edit2: I think it's done, we had a total of 23 million connection attempts in excess of normal (compared to 1 million normal connections over this same period). So they 23x'd our traffic for the duration of the attack, basically. But it wasn't evenly spread across time, so at the peak it was probably around 200x our normal traffic rate. D3rr and I learned a new spot to improve so our defenses only got better. Have a good night everyone!

                [–]wicklesnarf 12 insightful - 17 fun12 insightful - 16 fun13 insightful - 17 fun -  (0 children)

                I think about a million of those connection attempts were me. It just kept giving me endless bicycle captchas and wouldn't let me in. I thought maybe I was banished forever

                [–]quipu 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Check the IP ranges to see if they correlate to a known cloud provider or one of those P2P VPN services like Hola. If so you may be able to get someone banned for abuse.

                [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah it's like 20 VPN services, or a really good VPN or something. The amount of IPs they have at their disposal is unreal

                [–]motionlessoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Just talking out loud, here.

                Sometime around 10pm, traffic hit a maximum. This suggests that compromised devices were either being powered on or a huge batch of unblocked Tor exit nodes opened up (or something else I haven't thought of). The decay in traffic is probably Cloudflare identifying the attack IPs and clamping down on them, or else maybe those devices were slowly being powered down.

                If the surge is because devices were being powered on, then that narrows the time range to the beginning of typical work hours or the beginning of typical leisure hours. Workplaces are usually (but not always) harder to compromise en masse, and many workplaces remain closed due to COVID, so my instinct is that this surge is powered by leisure activity. Since many of the people who can work from home are doing so, laptops and all, you wouldn't expect this kind of surge behavior if people were working all day at home on compromised laptops and then using the same laptops to switch to leisure activities. You'd expect a steady state. Routers and other IoT devices that are always on also wouldn't generate this pattern.

                To me, this has the feel of compromised, internet connected devices that are not always on. Things like tablets and gaming consoles, or maybe point of sale terminals. Stuff with a physical on/off switch, or at least in a sleep state most of the day. The width of the surge is only about five hours long. That also suggests, to me, leisure devices more than workplace devices. It suggests a surge at end of workday and a taper when people go to bed.

                Am I barking up the wrong tree?

                [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                It wasn't tor, we were monitoring tor and traffic through tor didn't increase. But they were using vpns.

                The traffic numbers are just the raw connection numbers, so there should be no smoothing or delay, but interesting ideas.

                It does seem to take a while to "power up" which indicates to me it's a series of bots that they have to get started 1 by 1, and the fact it lasted almost exactly 4 hours indicates it's probably an hourly paid hire service. Like hire-a-DDOS. Otherwise they would just leave it on 24 hours a day, but they don't.

                It's an odd situation, that's for sure. You have some good ideas in the right areas.

                [–]Ossidiana 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Angry trancels, maybe?

                [–]Chipit 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                Yeah, the real attacks start now.

                We just had someone pretending to be Iranian. It was an obvious troll from an enraged leftist. They can't win arguments, so the next course is false flags. They do it all the time, pretending to be what they're not, in order to set things to rights inside their own minds. Losing an argument with an opponent who has really good reasons is mentally painful.

                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/mark-twain-quotes

                [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Pretending to be Iranian? Who was that?

                [–]Stand 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Probably the fucking TRAs

                [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Their manifesto literally promotes hacking.

                [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                  [–]MarkJefferson 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Please donate if you can.

                  [–]hennaojichan 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

                  Barbarians at the gates: judging from the way voting is going, there seem to be at least a hundred or more bots and or humanoids fighting us out there.

                  [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  I'd be more surprised if there weren't a hundred bots lurking around here

                  [–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  ~25 users here now

                  [–]wicklesnarf 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  What?? Is that why people are always on s/bigchungus but no one is posting or dropping comments? It's just bots...and me :(

                  [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  I remember making /u/israelexposed sub and just as I clicked make public 20+ people were already lurking and looking at the sub. It's less now but no way they were randomly there when I initially posted it.

                  [–]Extract 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  Quick, form a /s/ShillWall!

                  Seriously, if you're willing to do anything about the shills, come join (after I finish building the sub).

                  [–]whistlepig 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  That isn't many if you think about it. I wonder how many one professional can easily control?

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Being humane wins anyway. That's what hope is for and why it's almost constantly green or white. They don't have this kind of overpowering magic.

                  Maybe even they were enslaved for this bs . This means we can easily exhaust them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE

                  [–][deleted] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Off topic, but guess who this person grew up to be-- one of our "favorite supermods".

                  https://archive.fo/wlYu4

                  Coventry boy arrested over Bullring 'cyber attack' threat POLICE raided a Coventry home and arrested a 15-year-old boy over claims he blackmailed the Bullring shopping centre by threatening to crash its website.

                  BySam DimmerDigital Development Editor 08:25, 14 FEB 2013UPDATED16:58, 25 APR 2013

                  POLICE raided a Coventry home and arrested a 15-year-old boy over claims he blackmailed the Bullring shopping centre by threatening to crash its website. Officers swooped on a home in the Stoke area of the city where they broke down the door before arresting the teenager. He has since been bailed until May on suspicion of blackmailing a corporation. The boy is accused of threatening to carry out a cyber-attack on the Bullring shopping centre, in Birmingham. The charges stem from a protest held by internet activists Anonymous at the venue in January. The 15-year-old alleges he was attacked by security guards. In retaliation, he is said to have posted a video on YouTube threatening to crash the shopping centre’s website – unless he got an apology. In the video it is alleged the teenager, who has a mild attention deficit disorder, says he will use a “d-dosing” attack – a way of overloading the site with information so it crashes. But the teenager’s family say he has not got the expertise to carry out such a sophisticated attack. And the boy’s mother says storming the home was an ‘‘overreaction”. The woman, in her 40s, who is also a member of Anonymous, said she would have happily opened the door given the chance. She said: “It was beyond belief. There were so many officers in the house – they were everywhere and it was horrible. “They damaged the door. We managed to sort it but it’s not really what you want to spend your time doing.” A spokesman for West Midlands Police said the number of officers on the raid was the minimum required. He said: “The arrest followed a series of threats against an organisation which at the time were treated as credible. “As is usual with an investigation involving such a serious allegation, the arrest and searches were carried out at the same time. “This involved up to seven officers: two arresting officers, one high tech officer to assist with computer evidence, the officer in charge of the investigation and search officers. “Again, as is usual with an investigation of this serious nature, crucial evidence can be destroyed when rapid entry techniques are not used.”  coventrytelegraph

                  [–]uwubunny 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Ah, it's our old friend Aimee "Sure my dad's a pedophile torturer, and my husband's an admitted pedophile, but I'm OK to moderate kiddy fora" C

                  [–]Honestanonymous 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Probably just reddit trying to squash the upcomers

                  [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Trans activists are freaking out over this site. I wouldn't be shocked at all if that community is involved.

                  [–]SierraKiloBravo 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                  SHIELDS UP

                  [–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Engage!

                  [–]Extract 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Form a /s/ShillWall!

                  (Come check it out after I finish the renovations)

                  [–]hfxB0oyA 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Threaten their business plan of intellectual homogeneity and they gun for you. Great job holding the line lads.

                  [–]GST893 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Keep up the good work! If you are being attacked you are doing something right and are making an impact.

                  [–][deleted] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  I wouldn’t be shocked if this was an inside job (not necessarily due to foreign entities working on their own). Tons of money is being poured into the trans cult, and they have many IT experts in their ranks. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/01/the-billionaires-behind-the-lgbt-movement

                  [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  Look at LGBTQ+ parades. Look at their sponsors. Literally all commercial banks.

                  [–]yishengqingwa666 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

                  [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  The federalist. Federalism destroyed America 150 years ago. It's class warfare at this point.

                  [–]JerrySpringerSexToy 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  what is a "fraudulent connection attempt" anyways?

                  [–]magnora7[S] 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                  It means that IP is trying to connect so many times per second that it's obviously not a human trying to view the website, basically. Like 10 to 10,000 times a second

                  [–]JerrySpringerSexToy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  ok.. first, I will openly admit that networking and networking security is not something that I know much about...

                  but I will say that I am an experienced programmer.. I have been writing code for 37 years and I have written web server applications and I have written web servers from scratch in c language.

                  for example, I am very fond of beej's documentation about how to write sockets code and web servers, etc..

                  https://beej.us/guide/bgnet/html/

                  so, I am a bit confused about how it is that having that pesky "captcha" prevents anything..

                  I cant imagine that this captcha is really the ultimate solution.

                  also, considering that I have written custom web server code, I cant imagine how I would go about establishing 10,000 socket calls per second..

                  and, why does your website serve up those darned captchas to me, even after I have logged in and my ip address is recognizable as being friendly?

                  man, those captchas gotta go.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  The capchas are only turned on when the server is having trouble staying up, which is pretty rarely. They help because they limit the number of connection attempts one IP can make, and they also limit the number of IPs that can be used to make connection attempts, which are both ways to increase the power of DDOS attacks. They actually help a lot, but we only use them as a last resort because they're annoying.

                  The captchas are just one layer of protection among many layers.

                  also, considering that I have written custom web server code, I cant imagine how I would go about establishing 10,000 socket calls per second..

                  Yeah I agree, they seem to have a botnet at their disposal

                  [–]TokLwdSaNthg 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  Maybe the purpose of the attack is less temporary disruption of service but more the shock of discord to members. The blame game begins with accusations of: “those damn (insert preferred scapegoat here) did it” and the fall-out of mistrust ends in a scorched Earth. Divide and Conquer. Asking who benefits from sowing seeds of dissent in a national conversation before an election may show state actors, both foreign and domestic, plus a legion of mercenaries. If the Right vs Left were to look up they might see that the fight is really Up vs Down and all about what pulls the strings.

                  [–]reddugee 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  It’s all part of the TransZionistCommuNigraPedoSocialIncelJooReddFag agenda to silence our Freakdom of Screech.

                  [–]Lilith_Fair 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                  Magnora7, are you aware that the search function is now not working? If I don't login, I can't access subs.

                  Thanks so much BTW for all your work, your calm in face of all these, and your reasoned voice.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  Yeah we disabled search temporarily because of the attacks, to help keep the site up because that's where they were attacking. Thanks for your support!

                  [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  Why would they attack the search function?

                  [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  It's not cached, as it's not a static page, so it takes a lot heavier server processing load for each request. Normally we have about 90% of our requests cloudflare cached, but during the attack it was only about 50% because they were targeting search. Kind of clever on their part, tbh. That was a new twist from previous DDOS attacks. Also the quantity was 50x the number of requests, which was also new.

                  [–]Lilith_Fair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Hope this problem can be resolved soon. Wish we could help.

                  [–]motionlessoracle 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Question: Is this costing you extra money in bandwidth or tithes to Cloudflare? If so, let us know how we can help.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Thanks for the support! Upgrading servers will probably be necessary soon-ish, which will cost more, but this event in itself does not cost us any additional money thankfully.

                  [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                  Reddit is doing this. By Reddit, I mean their Chinese masters, TenCent (they invested over 150 million dollars in that dying bullshit website).

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  I honestly don't know who else would have access to a botnet that big.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  I'm honestly not sure how big a botnet is needed to generate 23 million requests in 4 hours... might only take like 10 computers if they all have 10 network interface cards... not sure though, it'd be interesting to get a hard number on that

                  [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Maybe that 4chan guy, I dunno?

                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  WHO IS THIS "FOUR CHAN???" :P

                  [–]TruthTeller 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

                  Maybe it wasn't a DDOS attack. Maybe it was just 1.6 million poor sods running away from reddit trying to get into saidit.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Lol, more like 23 million. That all tried within a 4 hour period and then instantly stopped, and each IP was doing 100k+ requests. And our number IPs connecting didn't change, only the number of requests, so there were no actual new users.

                  So it definitely wasn't new users. But this is something we watch out for, because sometimes heavy sudden traffic can look like a DDOS, it's true.

                  [–]suckitreddit 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  The world is totally is fucked up. But stay strong, friends! Free speech matters.

                  [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  wow crazy, somebody has power to waste, rofl. explains why i was stuck in a cloudflare loop for a good 20 seconds just now, rofl.

                  [–]DimDroog 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  I just became a patreon.

                  Thank you for your hard work.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Thank you for your support of saidit!

                  [–]DimDroog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Thank you for being here.

                  I hope more people do it.

                  It's not much, but I hope it helps.

                  [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Is there any idea who could be doing these constant attacks?

                  [–]LarrySwinger2 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  At least it's better than being attacked by literally billions of nodes.

                  Who do you think is responsible for these attacks?

                  [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  No idea, but probably related to the people doing the cultural attacks, I would imagine

                  [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Sounds very reasonable.

                  [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Why would anybody do that?

                  [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  The bigger you become, the more you will be a target. It comes with the territory. Thank you for letting us know and good job.

                  [–]bman1993 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Well that sucks, I just signed up

                  [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Welcome!

                  [–]portcity 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Stay strong. And great job!

                  [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Thanks portcity

                  [–]throwawayanylogic 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  Keep up the good work and doing what you're doing!

                  On an odd and paranoid note, I have been dealing with an out of nowhere hacking attack on nearly all of my social media and other online accounts since this past weekend (including an attempt to get in one of my reddit accounts). It's weird because I didn't authorize any new apps, have any security issues that I was aware off, but now I'm paranoid if some trancel(s) are engaging in personal attacks against those who had been active on gendercritical, lgbdropthet and other now-banned subs along with going after this site.

                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Make sure you have 2FA enabled everywhere you can.

                  [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Google?

                  [–]MeatCommercial 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Same thing happened at the early stages of voat, always getting DDOS.

                  [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Yeah, we get DDOS'd literally every day for 5 years now, it's kind of insane. But we've automated the defense so thankfully it's manageable

                  [–]Invicta 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Question: Could this be an attempt by DDoS defense companies to force you to use their services? And if so, would that allow these services to associate IP and MAC addresses with your users?

                  ie, could the DDoS attack ultimately be part of an intelligence-gathering op?

                  [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Our services didn't change, we're already on cloudflare. And I don't think MAC addresses are available to cloudflare, only IP addresses.

                  It's possible cloudflare has been gathering everyone's IP that goes to this website, but that's true of any firewall/DDOS protection service, and true for every website they protect.

                  It's not an ideal situation, but it's better than the website going down for hours at a time. I have heard discussions of cloudflare being a data-gathering front and the normalization of DDOS attacks being a way to ensure people go on cloudflare. But also more alternatives to cloudflare are developing as this issue becomes more prevalent.

                  [–][deleted]  (3 children)

                  [deleted]

                    [–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    Or does that just open the can of worms of what counts as extremeist content.

                    Yup. Now we're just talking about adding more rules with more definitions that will be endlessly debated. People will even call the rulechange itself a move toward censorship

                    [–]Raavan 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    Idk man that's the whole point. You can be as insane as possible but if people vote you insightful or funny, you will show up on the front page. It's not censorship exactly to do what you said, but still undesirable. I say it's no problem if that kinda stuff reaches the front page: new users have a choice to either live with the fact that all opinions are allowed here, or go to some other website.

                    Besides, if something is too crazy and anti Semitic no one will vote it up. It wouldn't reach the fp unless there's foul play at play.

                    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    No.

                    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                    I'll never understand DDOS attacks in general, they're always done for petty reasons. Unless I'm wrong about that tbh.

                    [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                    They just want the information here to not exist, basically. It's about censorship

                    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                    That's just awful...I'll never understand people that want to censor their opponents. I disagree with some right-wingers but even I don't think they deserve to be censored. If only the left-wing elites get a taste of their own medicine that will permanently ruin their side tbh.

                    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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                      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                      Way to bring in race division. But people like to be told what to do.

                      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        When classes were more unified under one banner against usurers.

                        [–]jjdub7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                        Can you publicly release the connection data from the 1.6 million blocked attempts (if so, preferrably in csv)?

                        Would be a fun playground for data science to throw it into MySQL and dig around.

                        [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        It's pretty boring for this attack, honestly. This attack was about 100 IP addresses making 23 million connection attempts to the site's search function with the query "QQQQQQQQ". Over and over and over, for 4 hours. The logfile was 3.5GB also after all their 23 million connection attempts, so it'd be hard to share too just due to the size

                        [–]jjdub7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        Ah, gotcha. Well, if you ever need extra sets of eyes, could always torrent it or configure a back-end API

                        [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Thanks, maybe someday if it's a complex attack that could use some additional analysis, we might do that

                        [–]Rationalmind 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                        Have you considered Reddit may be behind the attacks. Reddit has motive, because they know banning people makes people angry and they leave. If they have no where else to go they go somewhere else on Reddit. If there is an alternative forum, well that’s a reason to want to take down the competition. Powerful monopolies are bad.

                        [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                        Yeah it's definitely a possibility. However much of the attacks correlated with the presence of a group that, once banned, stopped attacking us. So it seems more likely to have been associated with that group than reddit itself. But I don't doubt some people from reddit try to mess with saidit too, it's part of the territory.

                        [–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        Yea, then probably the trans rights advocates with the gender critical bans from Reddit. Thank you for your diligence!

                        [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Yeah agreed, that's part of it. Then also the TMOR / SRS group from reddit also makes rounds here occasionally. No problem, glad to create a place away from reddit!

                        [–]Newmug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        What group?

                        [–]scrubking 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                        Communists don't like free speech

                        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                        Zionists don't either and they hate commies.

                        [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                        Didn't zionists basically cause communism and the Bolshevik revolution? I think it's more accurate to say communism is one tool of the zionists.

                        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        So, yes, to certain wealthy Zionists, particularly bankers, communism is a tool.

                        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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                        In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Lyubavichi, the aforementioned town, was the largest market within the Mogilev Governorate, with annual sales of more than 1.5 million rubles. Many Chabad-Lubavitchers, very much like today, lived wealthy lives, and were oftentimes used as scapegoats by Czarist Russia.

                        Ultra-Orthodox ("Haredi") Judaism, it is noted for its religious conservatism and social seclusion.

                        Holding a fervent religiosity, they integrated Zionistic beliefs; to a great extent these beliefs became firmly fixed in their teachings after 1917 when religious Jews were persecuted by the Yevsektsiya, a Jewish communist party.

                        Today, the Chabad-Lubavitch sect of Judaism, whom have worked closely with Putin, Trump and Netanyahu are advocates of the Noahide laws. These Jews are theocratic. The communist Jews were not.

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boyan_tish,_Sukkot_2009.jpg

                        The Yevsektsiya was a Jewish section of the Soviet Communist Party. These sections were established in fall of 1918 with consent of Vladimir Lenin to carry communist revolution to the Jewish masses. The Yevsektsiya published a Yiddish periodical, Emes.

                        One of their stated agenda was:

                        ...the destruction of traditional Jewish life, the Zionist movement, and Hebrew culture".

                        Semyon Simanstein, a Jew and chairmen of the Yevsektsiya, studied, ironically, in a Chabad yeshiva where eighteen-year Semyon was ordained as a rabbi. He suffered from poverty and homelessness, and gradually abandoned his religious upbringing in favor of revolutionary activities.

                        He was an advocate of Stalins policies but was later murdered in the 'Great Purge.'

                        The Yevsektsiya deemed Russian Zionist organisations to be counter-revolutionary, and agitated for them to be shut down. Delegates to a Zionist congress in March 1919 complained at administrative harassment of their activities - not from government agencies, but from Jewish communists.

                        At the Yevsektsiya's second conference in July 1919, it demanded that the Zionist organisations be dissolved.

                        After an appeal from the Zionists, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee issued a decree in that the Zionist organisation was not counter-revolutionary and its activities should not be disrupted!

                        The Yevsektsiya, thus, for several years, unlike their persecution of Christians from the very start, were indecisive on the so-called Jewish religiosity question. For awhile, it appears, that this largely Jewish Bolshevik organization, more or less, held onto their ancestral Jewish roots when it meant persecuting one of their own.

                        The campaign continued, however. In 1920, the first All-Russian Zionist Congress was disrupted by members of the Cheka and a Jewish female representative of the Yevsektsiya. Zionism, thus became too powerful in their eyes.

                        At its third conference in July 1921, the Yevsektsiya demanded the "total liquidation" of Zionism

                        Source: Pipes, Richard, Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime, New York: Vintage Books, Random House Inc., 1995, ISBN 0-394-50242-6, page 363

                        Source: Shindler, Colin (2012). Israel and the European Left. New York: Continuum. p. 30.

                        Source: Pipes, page 363, quoted from book by Nora Levin, The Jews in the Soviet Union since 1917, New York, 1988, page 57

                        Source: Gilboa, Jehoshua A. A Language Silenced: The Suppression of Hebrew Literature and Culture in the Soviet Union. Rutherford [N.J.]: Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1982. p. 282

                        Source: Nora Levin (1 January 1991). Jews in the Soviet Union Since 1917: Paradox of Survival. NYU Press. p. 89. ISBN 978-0-8147-5051-3.

                        LUBAVITCHERS ARE NOT INTEGRATIONISTS

                        The Lubavitchers are proselytizers, but of a different sort. They want to make all Jews -- Reform, Conservative or Orthodox --hyper "Jewish." Thus we see Orthodox Jews like Lieberman and Reform Jews like Fleischer standing side-by-side working the Lubavitcher program. Lubavitchers don't want to convert non-Jews to Judaism -- they want Jews to understand they are a class apart from everyone else.

                        In a letter he wrote in 1964, Schneerson deplored intermarriage of Jews with non-Jews, calling it "spiritual cremation," and called the concepts of freedom, equality, and integration "misconceived ideals."

                        http://www.therebbe.org/wisdom/letters/

                        For more information about the foothold the Chabad-Lubavitch sect has on the US government, refer to here:

                        http://holocausts.org/christmas.html

                        In conclusion, its complicated. Israel was founded by secular Zionist Jews who were rarely persecuted by communist Jews and often persecuted by Nazis, but certain wealthy Zionist Jews worked with the Nazis, some even were National Socialists, to emigrate the Jewish diaspora to Palestine. The religious Zionist Jews were less keen on a Jewish state but due to their persecution by communist Jews became more and more Zionistic.

                        Idk

                        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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                        In brief: There's a love hate relationship between Communistic Jews, Zionist religious Theocratic Jews and revisionist Zionist secular Jews.

                        I have a post I'm working on but there were thousands of hasidic Jews in the Pale of Settlement. These Jews, many of them Chabad-Lubavitchers were plenty wealthy and did quite well in Tsarist Russian, some even fought or remained loyal to the white army, in fact, many of them were on good terms with the Tsar.

                        Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together,' is the most informative book on Judeo-Russian history. Yes, it is still censored for publication of physical copies in the US but samisdat.info has a pdf file of the entire book translated in english and in a organized format. Solzhenitsyn details nearly all of the Jewish groups in Russia over a 200 year timespan including those who would later form modern day Israel.

                        Certain Zionistic Jewish groups like 'Poale' from Russia were communists at heart with an ethno-nationalist identity that grew exponentially due in part to their contradictory views between Lenin's Jewish Bolshevik group named the Yevsektsiya and the closer reality of creating a Jewish homeland. Hence, when they helped to find Israel on the backs of secular revisionist Jewish terrorists like the Irgun, Lehi, etc., they remained silent in the expelling of the Arab and the means by which they were expelled.

                        One can certainly see this with leftist Jews like Blumenthal, who notoriously attacked Alison Weir's book on how the US helped to find Israel, calling Weir an anti-Semite; Sanders, Mate, Norton, and Chomsky, among others (the latter having grown up as a fervent Zionist) who might on the surface remain adamant about working with the Palestinians where the revisionist Zionistic Likud Party would show little thought or empathy; or even, encouraging that an international entity provide the Palestinians with full political rights under a two-state solution whilst maintaining the current Jewish ethnocracy, such as Bernie Sanders; or even advocate full political rights to Palestinians under a one state solution which remains a serious threat to the ideology of revisionist Zionists who now maintain the possibility of a 'one state solution' on account that the Palestinian take up Jewish study and convert to Judaism for the uncertain historical narrative that 700 years ago Palestinians were forcefully converted from Judaism and still at heart and in "blood" remain a Jew (this is rather preposterous and remains a pertinent effort to "cleanse," rather eradicate, Palestinian national thought); these leftist Jews maintain the revisionist historical narrative of Israel's founding because it is convenient to their ethno-national views even if they remain hidden. They shy away from exposing Jewish criminality or more specifically, Israeli government criminality against western interests and western peoples, again, because it is convenient for maintaining and securing Israel and the Jewish people's current state of affairs.

                        To remain loyal to the cause of Israel's founding and maintain Jewish cohesion Jewish emigrants of the diaspora, specifically those who came from the Pale of Settlement with their baggage of communistic views, lived communally in Kibbutz once settled in Israel. The early Kibbutz were very communistic in the means of pooling wealth. If you read up about the Kibbutz, you'll notice that the children brought up here were trained in a very specific way. Some in the west, would even call this training cultural Marxism. As they focused on destroying the male/female role in the family and uprooting traditions. Possibly done to keep in-group unity strong and egalitarian.

                        Also, if you read into revolutionary Orient Freemasonry and Scottish Rite Freemasonry you'll notice that their is a British Israeli society which is quite theocratic, fascist and racist in their beliefs. Some of the most wealthy Jewish bankers who emigrated to the US had plenty of connections to the crown, Scottish rite Freemasonry and pro-usury, pro-debt and pro-monopoly theories. Many times these bankers would fund the communistic cause in foreign lands as a way to emigrate Jews to Israel or as a bargaining chip. Jacob Schiff did this to Japan, in the Russo-Japanese War and again helped to fund Trotsky among other Jewish revolutionaries foreign to Russia. In Trotskys diary he writes about his interest in Orient Freemasonry.

                        Moreover, many of the Jews in the Pale of Settlement before the October Revolution were indoctrinated through Russification programs because the Tsar thought they were disloyal to Russia and their behavior was foreign to their laws and culture. Solzhenitsyn makes a good case that many of the wealthy Jews were usurers and treated the peasants with disdain, getting them drunk on their alcohol. Bootlegging in Russia during this time was largely a Jewish affair. The Tsar thought t would be best to forced cultural assimilation of non-Russian societies.

                        Russification was conducted well before the 1917 October Revolution in imperial Russia as well as during the reign of Stalin in the Soviet Union after the old Bolshevik purges. The Russian language replaced Yiddish and other languages as the main language of many Jewish communities. Distrust of the Tsar in the Pale of Settlement increased, especially among disenfranchised Jews who broke away from their religious upbringing! These Jews would later leave Russia and a small minority would become communists at heart, later the prominent commissars of the Bolsheviks.

                        Curiously, modern day Russia, although denouncing the old Bolshevik rule, Vladimir Putin even broadcasting the fact that the early day Bolsheviks in the commissariat were largely of Jewish ancestry, engages presently with Hasidic Jews, particularly the Chabad-Lubavitch sect of Judaism, a parallel of Czarist Russia's position on this sect of Ultra-Orthodox Judaism. Putin's Russia and Tsarist Russian were on and are on fairly good terms with these theocratic religious sects.

                        Moreover, Stalin's fervent communistic nationalism; the collectivist policies that modernized Russia into an economic powerhouse, some would say divergent from the old Bolshevik rule, is celebrated by the people of modern day Russia, sometimes even heroizing his archaic conduct.

                        http://redefininggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/piedpiper.png

                        https://worldisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Putin-with-rabbis-750x400.jpg

                        A source from approximately 1880 reports a total of 1,516 inhabitants in Lyubavichi (978 Jews) with 313 houses, two Russian Orthodox churches, and two Jewish synagogues; these religious Jews and Orthodox Christians, for the most part, lived peacefully together.

                        [Lyubavichi is a rural locality (a village) in Rudnyansky District of Smolensk Oblast, Russia.]

                        [–]IsraelDid911 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        This website kind of sucks anyway. I'm going to Ruqqus instead

                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        I honestly prefer this website, Ruqqus is kind of sluggish.

                        [–]crackerjack 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        i just hit the refresh button on my browser, i hope that doesnt set off a ddos alert.

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                        [–]cfx_4188 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        What did you want? You have an influx of users. Reddit has closed almost everything. Where they haven't closed, some people are agitating to join saidit. It's all legitimate.