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[–]tokinjedi 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

why do people feel the need to label themselves?

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's how we make sense of each other, and the world. It's also how we sort ourselves into communities. Labels are something we have to live with, but it's important that they be accurate. That's why it's necessary to clap back at misleading identifiers.

[–]tokinjedi 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

i live in a community where we dont label each other outside of neighbor. no matter orientation or race. i play vidya, i dont label myself as gamer. i am into anime, comics, and such and dont label myself as geek. i repair electronics for a living but dont label myself a nerd. i dont get it.

[–]beermeem 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I grew up in Quaker Communities so my experience has mostly been the same. It took me a long time and a lot of pain to understand the need/desire to label and “fit in.” Weak, pained people like George Soros his ilk in the “woke” zombie horde operate by withholding respect in order to gain power and control. “The Secret” is that when someone submits to their “respect,” is when that person actually gives away their own power.

Years later, I’m so much more amazed at the true strength of the communities that have the intelligence and ability to operate by genuinely respecting the individual.

[–]Sigterminator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some people can’t help but label everything. It’s the lens they see the world through. But it is definitely not something everyone does.

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Narcissism is the answer to most questions about human nature.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Do well to remember where the term “Narcissism” comes from. It is an external observation of leftist pseudoscientism and just another label. It does nothing to address the internal state. “Narcissists” are universally weak and pained people attempting to manipulate their external world because they lack internal strength.

[–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Now I want to read more about it. And the story of Narcissus since it's been a couple decades.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm glad my comment pushed you in that direction. We get bombarded with these pop psychology terms and they all too often offer easy outs. I'm no fan of Scientology but I appreciate that they are the only ones who offer a real critique of modern Psychiatry. While I've certainly been helped by Psychiatrists and Psychologists in my time, all power, imho, must be checked.

Also, while Scientology stole its main concepts, it stole it's main concepts from Charles Berner -- one of the few modern Adepts able to actually give individuals the gift of Enlightenment through his intensive concept of the "dyad."

Freud, of course, invented modern psychiatric concepts of narcissism. Mostly he just liked naming things after Greek myths. All these stories -- Icarus, Sisyphus, Narcissus, etc -- they're warning stories. But told by whom? To whom? And for what reason?

I think that is the thing you picked up on that we all learn to look at more deeply as we age -- that there is an internal component all too often ignored in modern hot takes. It's easy to condemn an external individual as X, Y, or Z. But how does someone who identifies with those traits address them within themselves?

[–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Solid comment. I agree that psych terms get overused and get grouped in with modern day "intellectual" name calling. Right up there with racist, sexist, anti-semite, etc... True or not, they do this to stifle honest conversation and debate. It's no different than name calling as a kid, but they get to hide being the appearance of criticism instead of deliberate insulting.

And, like you, I have a fuckton of criticism towards modern day psychology/psychiatry. It's just population control and behavior control in the end. Sure, some good things come of it. But I doubt that the average goal is to actually help an individual. My deepest criticism is with marriage counseling, but I won't get into that. Actually, that might be my second deepest criticism. Psychiatrists prescribing meds to people that just need to change their lifestyle or get medical treatment for endocrinological problems is probably number one for me. It's criminal in my mind.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My perspective is that people desire a sense of belonging. Especially during our vulnerable, formative high school and college years, people who feel or present themselves “differently” many times look around at the “jocks” or the “cool kids” and see more perfect worlds they wish they could part of. This is when manipulative ideologues are able to hand them easy answers by saying, “oh look, here’s a group for you to belong to!”

This is the same way that gangs prey on kids. In fact, I’ve seen several articles around web that are noticing similarities between the ways that criminal gangs operate/recruit/control and the way Soros and his filthy woke SJW ilk recruit vulnerable LGBTQ.

I myself was very nearly recruited in such a way. I’ve always been an individual with little desire to fit in so I was always different. I wasn’t so different that I “identified” or dyed my hair blue, as one fellow student once predicted I would (jokes on him — he married the first woman who fucked him and is stuck in a loveless marriage with an angry dyke. Hopefully for him, she leaves and takes half his money sooner than later).

But I was different enough that my SJW friends (and believe me I’ve mistakenly had a lot of them) INCESSANTLY harassed me to “come out of the closet” or “admit who I was” well into my 30’s. It’s been the SJW’s who have told me I was gay from a very young age. On the flip side, I played two years on the football team in high school and have always maintained a small circle of “jock” friends. While I’ve never been “accepted” and most keep some leery distance, I’ve always been respected and my “identity” never questioned.

This is why I have great empathy for anyone in the LGBTQ community. In fact, I have two dear, sweet “gay” friends who are in fact married to each other and who each separately confided in me (while very drunk) that all they ever did was suck each other’s dicks and the only reason they were together was because they were the only other person they had found who was also terrified of anal sex, vaginas, and women. I’ve seen such hidden sentiment all too common, like my “lesbian” (former — I said faggot one too many times for her new lesbian wife) friend who would have sex with literally anyone but “could only give her heart” to a woman.

This is why this “movement” or “organization” or whatever it is, is a sham, a dangerous and degrading sham, has long outlived whatever purpose it might once of served, and should be abolished, ignored, or abandoned.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Muh snowflake oppression feels

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Where do you feel your snowflake oppression? I feel mine in my bunghole.

[–]medium_tomato 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The whole queer umbrella thing making an uncomfortable comeback is similar to me to the "people of color" thing. I can never bring myself to describe a person as "having color" or being a "person of color". It just seems so wrong on a fundamental level, and it also turns the world back into white and other categories. There is no such thing as people of color... There are people with different ethnicities and varying skin tones. Sometimes you can have two people from the same culture having vastly different skin tones. Does this make one a person of color and the other not??

There is just so much disgusting regressivism going on right now.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Speaking as a visual artist, I completely agree with you. Either there are no people of color, or everyone is a person of color.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not the right sub... please post to /s/whatever or somewhere else please

This sub is for things about the website itself

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Fine, but how do I do it? Is there a way to move the post elsewhere? Is there a way to delete it? I don't see where I have that control. Please tell me how!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Delete it. And repost.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No it's fine, you can't change it once it's been created, but just for future posts I'm letting you know

[–]SeasideLimbs 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I see it in terms of function. Whenever people want something, they will try to get it in whatever way.

The first issue is people who steal our identities. For the longest time, LGB people were seen as either unimportant and invisible, or as sick and dangerous. When that began to change in the second half of the 20th century and the struggles and achievements of LGB people became part of the public consciousness, lots of straight people went "wow! that's amazing!" Over that time, that turned into "I want that." And since all you need to also be a "brave, underdog, special LGB person" is an identity, you just water down and make vague the terms and identities until you can claim one for yourself without anyone of importance objecting. Hence why we have so many people calling themselves "queer" now without any further explanation and who, when pressed, show themselves to be nothing but fetishists or people with an unusual fashion sense.

The other issue is people wanting to use our social standing. For the aforementioned reasons, there is a lot of goodwill towards us at this moment (though that's already changing again thanks to TRAs and their aggressive behaviour.) When you can just generalize us as this monolithic group that is supposedly entirely on your side, that goodwill is now aimed at you, too. This is why so many companies make vague and meaningless statements of support toward us and why politically left-wing people - who have claimed to be the only rightful defenders of our communities for decades now - want to downplay any internal struggles (such as LGB vs. the T) and often define "queer" as explicitly including left-wing ideology that really has nothing to do with us.

Edit: While this is an interesting topic, I'm not sure if s/SaidIt was the right place to post it. This subsaidit is about the website itself.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There really didn't seem to be another place for this topic that was more appropriate. Do you have any suggestions, and how would I move it?

[–]SeasideLimbs 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

s/LGBDropTheT would likely be very welcoming of a post like this.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lots of weak people will try to put you in a box so they can understand you make you fit inside “their” world.

Never go in the box.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hear, hear!!!

[–]Sand313man 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Nobody cares man - gay queer lesbian - it’s all the same shit.

You’re already accepted an umbrella term by identifying as ‘gay’ or whatever.

Why do you even need a label?

Should I fucking identify as “missionary” or should I instead join the “doggie” group in the “straight” movement?

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don’t lie. I saw you in a 69ers Jersey yesterday.

[–]PassionateIntensity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To find other people like yourself and people you want to date. You wouldn't go on Grindr looking for a girlfriend using the wrong label. It starts getting bullshitty when you have 12 different things grouped together pretending to be 1 community, several of which contradict each other (i.e., the Alphabet people)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One of the ultimate goals has always been to pushing these various letters until they get the "P" for pedo.

That's what much of this is about. IMHO.

I'm not equating people who are lesbian or gay, with pedos.

However, there's a long history of groups with tremendous wealth being members of the pedo community, and someone has clearly been bankrolling these agendas.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure that that understanding of "P" is already in there by now, and I agree that the Erase Gender agenda is an organized and funded effort. But I suspect there's more behind that effort than just making a safe haven for pedophilia. Do you agree?

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Anybody trying to bring the term "queer" back into casual circulation, is a damn porch monkey.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hey — that’s goddamn queer porch monkey to you, nut-buster.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, they sure haven't put a lot of serious thought into what they're doing . . . unless they have, which would mean it's a deliberate attempt to sabotage Gay Rights. Where I come from, the Q-word had a strong pedophile connotation.

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never heard that connection before. But it doesn't surprise me. Did you get my Clerks reference though? Wondering if it was too obscure

[–]catoboros 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I prefer the elegance and assonance of LGBT.

[–]yayblueberries 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

BLTG = bacon, lettuce, tomato sandwich with guac instead of mayo. Delicious.

[–]catoboros 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That is highly offensive: trusted authorities confirm the superiority of including both guac and mayo.

Marks and Sparks' LGBT sandwich made world news.

Now I feel very hungry for some reason.