We are being forced by our server company to remove a big sub from saidit

submitted by magnora7 from self.SaidIt

The IP2 sub is going to be removed in about 25 hours because our server company is forcing our hand.

There were a large number of complaints about the IP2 sub lodged by one person with our server company. (Please do not name the server company in these comments or I will remove your comment.) Eventually the person creating these accusations convinced the server company that the whole of saidit.net was violating the server company's acceptable use policy.

So, about 3 days ago, I got a message from the server company saying we had 96 hours to leave their servers and shut all of saidit.net down.

But since literally all the complaints generated were about IP2, and we are a sub-based website with many communities, we reached a compromise with the server company to remove IP2 to stay online. Our only other option seems to be to continuously change servers and server companies literally every week, which isn't a sustainable option realistically. Plus IP2 was generally dragging things down the pyramid of debate quite badly, which is the exact thing that caused Acceptable Use Policy violations with our server company. So there seems to be no other option moving forward than the let IP2 go.

I am not happy about this, and we've done everything we can do to fight against it, including multiple server migrations, and countless nights of enduring DDOS attacks, but at this point for the longevity and sustainability of the saidit.net project we've got to let IP2 go now. IP2 will be locked at 3pm central time tomorrow. The mods of IP2 were given 3-day advance notice (the max I had myself) to migrate to a new forum.

To anyone from IP2 reading this, thank you for using saidit. Sorry it's being forced to end this way.

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[–]FreeMaxB 87 insightful - 12 fun87 insightful - 11 fun88 insightful - 12 fun -  (44 children)

ip2 brought 95% of the initial traffic to this site. catering to one troll is so stupid. so much for being different than reddit

[–]magnora7[S] 48 insightful - 17 fun48 insightful - 16 fun49 insightful - 17 fun -  (42 children)

IP2 brought maybe 40%. It's not "catering". Our server company said we have to do this or the whole site goes offline. We've already changed server companies 3 times. We have no choice.

[–]FreeMaxB 40 insightful - 7 fun40 insightful - 6 fun41 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

ip2 brought majority of the initial traffic here. bowing down makes this place no better than reddit. i wont post that server company name out of respect but them pulling this shit shouldnt even shock you if you knew anything about them

[–]zero8 30 insightful - 14 fun30 insightful - 13 fun31 insightful - 14 fun -  (10 children)

The server company homepage literally says they support "black lives matter and social justice", now the biggest sub on saidit is a tranny sub /s/GenderCritical so i guess the server company will be happy.

[–]anfd 50 insightful - 6 fun50 insightful - 5 fun51 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

GenderCritical is not a "tranny sub", it is a sub that's critical of transgender ideology and one that "social justice warrior" types would rather shut down.

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    [–]zero8 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    GenderCritical is a sub of sjws who are only "critical" of trannys, youre morons who got fucked over by your own side because you disagreed on an issue

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    it's a weird hill to die on, they're against trannys but ok with dicks in guys asses

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      [–]bobbobbybob 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      no it didn't. Saidit had been here a long time before IP2 arrived. Although IP2 came in like they were jesus.

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        [–]FreeMaxB 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

        way more than 40% especially when we first joined. the whole front page was all upvoted ip2 posts where we had to switch it so didnt show on the front page. 90% of all other boards were dead and if you go by post count its not even close ip2 has more combined activity than the rest of the boards combined. we were only gonna to use when boasted the site traffic soon as one guy bitched no longer useful

        [–]Tobi69 9 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

        Its fine everything is fine....

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          [–]SuperConductiveRabbi 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

          I'm sure they'll stop there

          [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          Well... IP2 was really the only part of saidit that actually violates their acceptable use policy, so yeah it will pretty much stop there.

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              [–]The_Ded 59 insightful - 10 fun59 insightful - 9 fun60 insightful - 10 fun -  (8 children)

              Thank you for your honesty and openness; However, we all know that the precedent has been set and the deadly countdown has begun. This little (and seemingly harmless) act of censorship will not pacify the aggressors. Oh no, it will only make them hungrier, and eventually you'll be forced to remove all the "undesirable" content, essentially turning this place into a desolate version of reddit. So, are you going to take any action to prevent future bans (or, rather, to prevent future attempts to make you and us bend the knee)?

              [–]suckitreddit 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

              We need to get the funds to fucking sue these companies for this bullshit.

              [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

              I guess we can thank IP2 for being the "disposable target" for the aggressors while the rest of the site can hopefully move on without DDoS and such. Or perhaps you are correct and "they" will be unrelenting. I wouldn't expect them to be able to cry wolf too many times before we find some alternative solutions. There's always a way. There's a good quote about the nature of the Internet that escapes me that would fit well here.

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                [–]deAccount 54 insightful - 7 fun54 insightful - 6 fun55 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

                For anyone here who isn’t familiar with this routine yet, it’ll start with this leftist demanding that subs considered egregious be removed, then it’ll continue to the point where being right wing is against the rules. Many subs will be crippled by the quarantine “feature” too, but ultimately be banned eventually.

                u/magnora7, you do realize that right wingers are the overwhelming majority of your users, right? If you can’t find a way to prevent this process from the very beginning, your site will go the way of digg since your user base will abandon this place, with the left wingers simply staying on reddit. I’m not sure of the solution myself, but your website will not survive if you go down this slippery slope like reddit did.

                [–]Tobi69 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                Its sad man. No place to go online. Libs won. Its fine. Everything is fine.

                [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                right-wingers, yes, 50%, the rest of that right-wing crowd are good Talmud Noahides.

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                  [–][deleted] 46 insightful - 8 fun46 insightful - 7 fun47 insightful - 8 fun -  (10 children)

                  Thanks for giving us a home when we really needed it. I hope everything will go well with Saidit in the future

                  [–]magnora7[S] 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

                  Thanks, I appreciate the kind words.

                  [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

                  Can you please fix the thumbnails so we can meme out in glory? Thats all I ask. Thanks for the chapter in our book mag.

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                        [–]finalsynapse 32 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

                        Imagine trying to run a pro-freedom of speech forum and migrating, multiple times, to a hosting service which doesn't support freedom of speech and bends the knee for leftists. Like you'd probably learn to do research after idk the second or third time.

                        [–]Excantare 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                        What hosting companies could be used where this doesn't happen? Afaik there's not many options in America.

                        [–]RuckFeddit 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                        why does it have to specifically be in America?

                        [–]Excantare 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                        As magnora7 mentioned, GDPR makes Europe infeasible, and outside Europe and America the rest of the world's hosting and networking infrastructure is basically hot garbage.

                        [–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                        Yup that's basically it. And the ones that aren't hot garbage are literally 3x more expensive for the exact same setup we already have now.

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                              [–]Chipit 27 insightful - 5 fun27 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                              Damn man. Just shows what one obsessed person can do.

                              [–]Sixto 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

                              Remember that user about a year ago that said that unless saidit have clear rules that are evenly enforced the site was going to have some rough times ahead?

                              Plus IP2 was generally dragging things down the pyramid of debate quite badly

                              Yes. And for how long? As long as you apply the rules individually on a subjective basis, this is always going to be the end result. I'm not a part of IP2 and was one of the first to block the sub since before proper saidit blocking was in place but seeing a "free speech site, sure!" sending someone away because of your own ignorance over the last few months, if not years...

                              I'm so very disappointed.

                              [–]magnora7[S] 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

                              They were applied as evenly as I could manage. I tried to create a place for people to talk. I'm disappointed in our server company too.

                              [–]suckitreddit 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                              Tell us who these companies are, and we'll boycott all of them. Fuck them. They don't wanna play fair? I'll spread the fucking message, and force them all into bankruptcy. Might not come soon, but I'll bankrupt them so hard. I'll get all the conservatives, moderates, and centrists to boycott these bullshit censoring companies.

                              [–]Trajan 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                              It’s not a surprise. Subs with the tone of an image board or Kiwi Farms won’t be tenable without a far more expensive approach to hosting. I don’t get the impression that this is the purpose of Saidit, and that’s fine. It works.

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                                [–]LarrySwinger2 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                Thanks for being transparent and doing what you can to give communities a home.

                                [–]magnora7[S] 24 insightful - 7 fun24 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

                                Thanks, I'm trying my best...

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                                  [–]antireddit 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                                  What was the specific complaint about ip2? Im not familiar with the sub?

                                  [–]Tobi69 14 insightful - 13 fun14 insightful - 12 fun15 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Ip2 bad

                                  [–]avena_sativa_3 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                  Doxxing, threats of violence, harassment. It's kind of a joke though, the threads listed in the complaints are an extreme stretch to fit that definition and wouldn't hold up on any legal basis.

                                  [–]NoNewAbnormal 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                  Don't know what that sub is about but holy shit this just sucks on principle. If this happened to them, what stops the same thing from happening to other subs if someone doesn't like the content and complains too much.

                                  [–][deleted] 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                  we need a decentralized software like OpenBazaar or haven app where the content is stored on your phone and not servers

                                  this will continue as people will continue to target saidit or any other website

                                  [–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I agree, we looked in to decentralized servers but the technology simply isn't there yet. It's close, maybe in 5 years, but right now I don't see any viable truly decentralized options that we could actually host this on. (needs to run ubuntu, etc)

                                  [–]JasonCarswell 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                  If you find any alternative solutions, in the beginning, middle, or advanced stages, please be sure to share them at /s/DecentralizeAllThings.

                                  [–]weirdthorn 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Team up with Kiwifarms? Null hosts sites, the last one he helped out was 9chan, iirc.

                                  [–]HiddenFox 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                  "...Eventually the person creating these accusations convinced the server company that.."

                                  Can you give us more context on the accusations? I don't really know anything about ip2. (I'm going to assume the complaints were with regards to percived racism or bigotry?)

                                  Was there any validity to the complaints? Where they made completely out of context? Can you give us an example of some of the complaints?

                                  Now that the bar has moved an inch and ip2 is gone do you expect people like the accuser to try and take a foot? Will more bans be coming down now that there is a route to removal? (I know its speculation, just asking your thoughts)

                                  Thanks for the update about what was going on!

                                  [–][deleted] 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                                  I honestly felt like the IP2 sub was being destroyed from the inside. It’s changed a lot in the last 2 months. I’m not surprised this day came. It’s sad.. but I understand.

                                  Idk, IP2 is what brought me to SaidIt, and then I ventured outward and saw how great SaidIt was.. this new batch of reddit refugees kinda ruined that too.. Sad days bois.

                                  [–]FormosaOolong 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                  I agree. There have been sustained efforts to ruin this place from the inside out and outside in. It sucks bc this place was a nice mix there for a while and I really liked that.

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                                    [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Thus the need for decentralization.

                                    [–]SterlingRoark 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                                    Well shit just signed up here for freedom. Doesn’t matter if it offends, as long as it doesn’t violate the law it should be allowed. Oh well...

                                    [–]Jesus 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                                    But to Jews who have a victim persecution complex. not all, but to many, progressives or Zionists, they will censor you at all costs. Why? Because Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

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                                      [–]faustri 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                      How does bitchute and 4chan have servers? Why would users spend time building saidit if those that run it can't protect it? Seem destined to be more and more bans, like any other mainstream site.

                                      [–]Jesus 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

                                      bitchute is 100% ZioCon owned. It is right near MI6. 4chan is a honeypot psyop.

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                                        [–]banned_from_reddit 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                                        Have you looked into 1776hosting? It's run by the guy that owns KiwiFarms

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                        I'll check it out, thanks. Any idea what country it is in?

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                                          [–]Extract 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Pretty good host, it seems, thanks for the info.

                                          Definitely going to use them over companies like Google (GCP) or Amazon (AWS). Maybe not over Digital Ocean, but I'll at least check them out.

                                          While it's a shame they forced Saidit to remove IP2, considering all the other subs they are still allowing to host, they have definitely allowed 1000% more than Google / Amazon would have.

                                          If this is going to be a trend, though, I might change my mind.

                                          Edit Digital Ocean still better, but I'll consider them as an alternative if a client asks.

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                                            [–]Tobi69 12 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

                                            Im not crying, you're crying. I have to say thanks for putting up with us...😢

                                            [–]magnora7[S] 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

                                            Thanks, I really gave it my best, but it's time to split unfortunately. I wish you the best.

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                                              [–]zyxzevn 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                                              Saidit is immediately spammed with links to i.ibb.co

                                              They will probably try to do something new to attack this site.

                                              [–]Jesus 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

                                              Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

                                              [–]RuckFeddit 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

                                              What I don't understand is you literally started this board as an anti-censorship board and you've now banned a huge chunk of your userbase with no real proof of why. The pyramid of debate died as soon as the reddit driftwood came and you know it. This has fucking nothing to do with IP2.

                                              While I do believe you, this sets a really shitty precedent for the future and makes me lose faith in this board and you personally. If one pissed off streamer from fucking IP2 can get an entire board shoah'd, I can't wait to see what's next.

                                              [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

                                              Here's the list of links that violated our server companies acceptable use policy: https://i.imgur.com/a5IxIEc.png

                                              You can see the truth, or you can falsely blame me for what's happening because you're mad. Up to you

                                              [–]RuckFeddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                                              I literally said I believe you. I asked for proof and I've gotten a saidit post from what I can tell. Where's the formal complaint from the provider?

                                              [–]magnora7[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                                              Well I don't want to share it publicly because that just gives another attacker a blueprint for how to mess up this site, so that's not a very smart thing to do from an operational security standpoint.

                                              [–]RuckFeddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                                              I highly doubt they drew a map of your network on the document. Even if they did, you can black it out or put something on it. You could at least give us the complaint.

                                              Seeing as you switched providers multiple times, you could even show us an old complaint from a no longer relevant provider.

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                                                [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                                This sounds like Reddit excuses.

                                                [–]WhiteZealot 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

                                                What a cuck.

                                                You should have just kept moving from company to company until you found a good one.

                                                [–]Jesus 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

                                                https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services

                                                ^ ^ ^ Nearly all of them are owned by Jews or Zionists, progressive or aligned with the Likud.

                                                Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

                                                • Jason Cohen, founder of WP Engine hosted service provider

                                                • Sage Weild of Dreamhost, a web hosting provider and domain name registrar

                                                • Hillan Klein of Namecheap Inc.

                                                • Steven Aldrich of GoDaddy Inc.

                                                • Steven Aldrich of GoDaddy Inc.

                                                  Elliot Noss, President and Chief Executive Officer of Tucows Inc. 201411-robert-keane

                                                Robert Keane of Cimpress N.V., owner of Vistaprint and Webs.com

                                                Jeff Stibel of Web.com

                                                Magid Abraham, founder of Paragren Technologies and co-founder of comScore, Inc.

                                                James Bidzos of Verisign, Inc.

                                                Jason Stockman of ProtonMail

                                                Marc Katz of CustomInk

                                                Anthony Casalena of Squarespace

                                                Jerome Kohlberg of Internet Brands, owner of vBulletin Solutions, Inc. OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

                                                Matthias Henze, co-founder of Jimdo web hosting service

                                                Paul Edmondson, founder and CEO of HubPages, owner of Squidoo LLC.

                                                Angelo Sotira, co-founder of DeviantArt, Inc.

                                                Richard Rabbat, co-founder and CEO of Gfycat

                                                Adam Leibsohn, chief operating officer of Giphy

                                                Josh Coates of Instructure

                                                [–]WhiteZealot 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                                                How much does it cost to start a new hosting service?

                                                [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                                                It doesn't matter because when you start one you are under the microscope by the US legal system. Which is the real reason all these server companies act like this. Because they legally cannot afford not to.

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                                                    [–]Jesus 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                    Solzhenitsyn said to never give them even a millimeter.

                                                    [–]suckitreddit 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                                    I hate to make this suggestion, but have you talked to the guys at Voat.co? They're still up, and their content is way worse than anything on saidit. What company are they using?

                                                    [–]Jesus 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                                                    The honeypot site?

                                                    [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

                                                    On the plus side, they can start their own SaidIt instance. I'd love to hear about other SaidIt instances if they do.

                                                    I don't know how the federation thing works, but maybe some content can be federated to be kinda seamless maybe sorta perhaps.

                                                    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                                    You know what, fuck reddit clones. Bulletin boards were better.

                                                    [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                                    I don't see how the complaints were valid. It appears that someone was just abusing DMCA which is against the law. Could you expand more into what forced them to do this?

                                                    https://i.imgur.com/0UfdQTT.png

                                                    [–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                                    They were abusing DMCA law, however the server company's Acceptable Use Policy was the problem.

                                                    [–]justjoggin 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                                    Pardon my ignorance, but what is IP2 and which of the Server’s TOS were being violated with that sub existing?

                                                    [–]fred_red_beans 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                                                    Not sorry to see that sub go.

                                                    IMO, IP2 was contrary to the Pyramid of Debate as the main emphasis of IP2 was to degrade and demean others. Outside of the debate structure itself, what is the Pyramid of Debate for other than to help the individual to question and to learn? To help enlighten the individual, not beat them down. There's a difference between conveying information saying some people treat others like shit and saying you the fellow saiditor are shit. It's not an act in good faith. To me, acting in good faith is being able to accept another's point of view whether you agree or not. But if your point of view is fuck everybody, or fuck this group or that group, I don't think it's conducive to the enlightenment of others. It only lends itself to ill will. Now, I think it's fair to say I see this group as doing such and such and I disagree with it, but to say fuck that group just because is just prejudice and akin to Name Calling.

                                                    As I see it, if your main point is just to degrade or demean others, you really have no point at all.

                                                    [–]Andy 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                                    ok reformedstoic

                                                    [–]geraldinepoofhauser 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                                    wanna debate?

                                                    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                                                    T7

                                                    [–]ebzebra 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                                    T7

                                                    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                                    T7

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                                                      [–]Ossidiana 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      Turning into Reddit 2.0 already? Man, people really HATE freedom.

                                                      [–]Leo_Littlebook 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                                      This is very encouraging for those of us who are deplatformed and politically incorrect. I2P was systematically breaking Saidit rules, and yet Magnora fought hard for them anyway. Which means that all the rest of us have to do is follow the rules!

                                                      Thanks.

                                                      [–]geraldinepoofhauser 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                                      make sure to lick the dirt out of the grooves in the heel of the boot too

                                                      [–]faustri 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                                                      Why wont you name the server company? The whole thing seems totally cucked.

                                                      [–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      Because doing so opens us up for more attacks, obviously.

                                                      [–]dramasexual 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                                      Probably because he wants to make the idiots spam-complaining about saidit at least work a little.

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                                                        [–]Drewski 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                                        I know this wasn't your choice and appreciate that you fought against your host's judgement. I didn't visit the IP2 sub regularly, but this sets an unfortunate precedent that someone can go and complain to your host to censor other people's speech. Seems like similar tactics that AHS uses on reddit to shut down communities they disagree with. The hosting seems like the weakest link for sure.

                                                        My concern from the beginning has been that any community that is centralized can be toppled by bad actors, and this reinforces that belief. I wonder if decentralization is the future of free speech online, federation, P2P, blockchain... I also know other sites such as gab had similar issues getting dumped by their host, maybe some research could be done into their hosting provider. I imagine infowars, zerohedge, cryptome, wikileaks, cryptome, thepiratebay have gone through the same thing also.

                                                        Anyhow, I don't want to be a complete downer, I really enjoy this community and appreciate all the work /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr have put into this place. I really don't want to see this go the path of reddit, and if there's any way the community can help out I'm sure others here feel the same way.

                                                        [–]DON2 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                                        is pissboi the one making all the complaints or SJC

                                                        [–]Tobi69 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                                        Its a sad day

                                                        [–]suckitreddit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                                        Let's sue them instead. I will support this lawsuit.

                                                        [–]Shadow_Death 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                        After the racist porn posts yesterday it doesn't surprise me. Some basement dweller is just trying to get saidit killed off because they can't handle the fact that Reddit is turning into a echo chamber as people leave it. These snot nosed little shits know that they are on the wrong side of everything and that's why they can't let stuff like public debate or public forums go uncontrolled by them. They claim to be Anti-fascist yet all they do is try to be an authoritarian voice for anyone who disagrees with them while being racist towards anyone who isn't white that disagrees with them.

                                                        They need to come to terms what reddit is dying. They did it themselves by injecting politics into every subreddit so that they can express "orange man bad" everywhere. Now they've turned their sights on saidit.

                                                        [–]Grimoires_penis 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                        I’m just posting here to say thanks magnora. You put up with us for a long time. You are a good guy/gal no matter all the hate you get. I hope your server company treats you right. Good luck homie.

                                                        [–]send_nasty_stuff 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                        our server company is forcing our hand.

                                                        So change servers or close the site down. If you give in to this shit the server essentially runs saidit not you.

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