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[–]FreeMaxB 87 insightful - 12 fun87 insightful - 11 fun88 insightful - 12 fun -  (44 children)

ip2 brought 95% of the initial traffic to this site. catering to one troll is so stupid. so much for being different than reddit

[–]magnora7[S] 48 insightful - 17 fun48 insightful - 16 fun49 insightful - 17 fun -  (42 children)

IP2 brought maybe 40%. It's not "catering". Our server company said we have to do this or the whole site goes offline. We've already changed server companies 3 times. We have no choice.

[–]FreeMaxB 40 insightful - 7 fun40 insightful - 6 fun41 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

ip2 brought majority of the initial traffic here. bowing down makes this place no better than reddit. i wont post that server company name out of respect but them pulling this shit shouldnt even shock you if you knew anything about them

[–]zero8 30 insightful - 14 fun30 insightful - 13 fun31 insightful - 14 fun -  (10 children)

The server company homepage literally says they support "black lives matter and social justice", now the biggest sub on saidit is a tranny sub /s/GenderCritical so i guess the server company will be happy.

[–]anfd 50 insightful - 6 fun50 insightful - 5 fun51 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

GenderCritical is not a "tranny sub", it is a sub that's critical of transgender ideology and one that "social justice warrior" types would rather shut down.

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    [–]yishengqingwa666 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    LOL, sure. Uh huh.

    [–]Conductive-rabbi 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Uh huh

    [–]zero8 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    GenderCritical is a sub of sjws who are only "critical" of trannys, youre morons who got fucked over by your own side because you disagreed on an issue

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    it's a weird hill to die on, they're against trannys but ok with dicks in guys asses

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The last wave of refugees seriously brought the Bubonic plague with them.

    [–]PencilPusher55 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    These people really are a cancer.

    [–]bobbobbybob 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    no it didn't. Saidit had been here a long time before IP2 arrived. Although IP2 came in like they were jesus.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Why persist with this erroneous information? This site is run by @magnora7, who knows what is actually happening.

    [–]FreeMaxB 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

    way more than 40% especially when we first joined. the whole front page was all upvoted ip2 posts where we had to switch it so didnt show on the front page. 90% of all other boards were dead and if you go by post count its not even close ip2 has more combined activity than the rest of the boards combined. we were only gonna to use when boasted the site traffic soon as one guy bitched no longer useful

    [–]Tobi69 9 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

    Its fine everything is fine....

    [–]aspos 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The statistics are whatever the fuck I say they are.

    [–]SuperConductiveRabbi 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

    I'm sure they'll stop there

    [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Well... IP2 was really the only part of saidit that actually violates their acceptable use policy, so yeah it will pretty much stop there.

    [–]Grimoires_penis 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Just dropping a message to say thanks to you for all you put up with by allowing IP2 to hang around as long as we did. In a better world, we’d still be here. We gotta draw a line in the sand and make stand somewhere.

    [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Maybe there's a moderation rule I'm asking you to break but, uh, what violations generally? Like, I know I can go check the moderation log, but since I have no dog in the fight, I'm just asking for an off the cuff opinion rather than hard statistics.

    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    These were some of the links reported: https://i.imgur.com/a5IxIEc.png

    I think some of them are a reach, but the community did have several problems along these lines that were occurring again and again

    [–]gof-urself2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    absolutely all unrelated, by different owners, and fake af

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    not fake, i can confirm those post were in fact posted on lp2

    lp2 is a cesspool that should be de-platformed everywhere

    [–]gof-urself2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    fake as in they do not lawfully represent the owners of the material reported

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    lp2 mods endorse and encourage this behavior, you are still doing it on the new site

    [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thank you. That seems like a fair assessment. So far, all of your actions seem like you've really had your arm behind your back. Hopefully this will make things easier for you since they will be elsewhere, rather than harder. Thank you for the transparency. It is the enemy of those who want to shut down free speech.

    [–]hajamieli 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    You're such cowards. Pick a server company that doesn't submit to harassment or better yet, distribute your servers.

    [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Why don't you do it? Are your arms broken? Build your own alternative, if it's so easy.

    [–]hajamieli 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Building is easy, it's what I've been doing as a profession for the past quarter of a century. Marketing to an audience is not easy. You know the marketing well, apparently.

    [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Thanks. But the marketing was by far the easiest part of all the things we had to do.

    [–]hajamieli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Anything you're good at is easy, which is exactly what I've been saying. If I was you, I'd have several dedicated servers across the world only leasing the connection from whichever ISP is going to care the least about political terrorism from the far left fascists.

    [–]bloodybloody 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How the fuck you gonna run a forum under the guise of free speech and a free internet yet you go with a provider that allows bullshit like this? Enjoy the empty website pal. Also if you never leaked the provider 10 months ago Piss Boi wouldn't have been able to bitch an cry to the provider.

    [–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I've never needed to host a serious website, but I'm amazed that there aren't companies that will just ignore trolls like this.

    Also that explains all the spam on the front page I guess.

    [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    They're liable for the content on their servers, so they can't just turn a blind eye. It's very hard to find a decent server company that doesn't operate this way.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe in Russia? ;-)

    [–]blue_gryphon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We've already changed server companies 3 times. We have no choice.

    If you changed comapnies 3 times, why in the love of god are you still hosting in the US?

    [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    1 of them was in switzerland, they couldn't handle us and booted us after a DDOS attack

    [–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Our server company said we have to do this or the whole site goes offline.

    Don't you see? Losing trust in the community and getting the reputation that you censor and ban speech is just as bad. Both options 'pull the plug' on the community. Both options take saidit offline.

    [–]ackza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Bro u don't need a fucking "server idiot use hive blockchain and ill help u convert ur 3ntire front end free in fact hive will fucking pay you a few grand per week just to bring allllll ur users to hive.io

    I'll pay you money if u can shit this down you xant its crypto bitch not even the creator can turn it off https://hive.blog/created/hive-190948

    And theres 1000s of front ends incase that site is dosed like https://peakd.com

    [–]The_Ded 59 insightful - 10 fun59 insightful - 9 fun60 insightful - 10 fun -  (8 children)

    Thank you for your honesty and openness; However, we all know that the precedent has been set and the deadly countdown has begun. This little (and seemingly harmless) act of censorship will not pacify the aggressors. Oh no, it will only make them hungrier, and eventually you'll be forced to remove all the "undesirable" content, essentially turning this place into a desolate version of reddit. So, are you going to take any action to prevent future bans (or, rather, to prevent future attempts to make you and us bend the knee)?

    [–]suckitreddit 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    We need to get the funds to fucking sue these companies for this bullshit.

    [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

    I guess we can thank IP2 for being the "disposable target" for the aggressors while the rest of the site can hopefully move on without DDoS and such. Or perhaps you are correct and "they" will be unrelenting. I wouldn't expect them to be able to cry wolf too many times before we find some alternative solutions. There's always a way. There's a good quote about the nature of the Internet that escapes me that would fit well here.

    [–]RuckFeddit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    not like they had a choice in the matter

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Really? No choice? Act like animals because it's just in your nature? No self control?

    If you say so.

    [–]RuckFeddit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Jason your comment could be applied to any sub-saidit that is banned in the future for meanie words. As for the ddosing, it's not the members from IP2 doing it. Yes they might have caused it, and mag held out as long as he could, but this doesn't set a good precedent in my opinion, as this will happen again eventually.

    The bad guys won today, and that's sad.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe you could apply it anywhere. I couldn't.

    The Pyramid Of Debate exists for a reason. It's not complicated.

    M7 let them slide down faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than he should have.

    " The bad guys won today, and that's sad. "

    Agreed.

    [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Perhaps a letter stating that they won't make additional requests like this unless its for the same reasons? We should be wary of giving the left an inch. The will take a mile.

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    true.

    [–]deAccount 54 insightful - 7 fun54 insightful - 6 fun55 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

    For anyone here who isn’t familiar with this routine yet, it’ll start with this leftist demanding that subs considered egregious be removed, then it’ll continue to the point where being right wing is against the rules. Many subs will be crippled by the quarantine “feature” too, but ultimately be banned eventually.

    u/magnora7, you do realize that right wingers are the overwhelming majority of your users, right? If you can’t find a way to prevent this process from the very beginning, your site will go the way of digg since your user base will abandon this place, with the left wingers simply staying on reddit. I’m not sure of the solution myself, but your website will not survive if you go down this slippery slope like reddit did.

    [–]Tobi69 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    Its sad man. No place to go online. Libs won. Its fine. Everything is fine.

    [–]dac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    voat.co seems to work fine. What host do they use?

    [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    right-wingers, yes, 50%, the rest of that right-wing crowd are good Talmud Noahides.

    [–]CarlDung 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can still discuss e.g. eugenics with languages other than english. I don't think the algoritms are good enough to do translations yet. Also there are subreddits like catholic integralism, which could be described as clerical fascism, but because people there are careful, they can exist.

    [–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Some of us are fairly left-wing too, but got banned and removed more and more often as censorship got stronger. Nevertheless, it will eventually get to the point where we run into problems, too, if this trend persists. I really hope it doesn't.

    [–]Crad 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    IP2 has alot of lowlife trolls and haters, i bet that it was one of the people from that sub or someone who hates Ice.

    Hopefully this wont keep repeating for every sub though...

    [–]Dr_Bukkake 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well said. Do not cater to the vocal minority, it will not go well for your website. These crybullies got their way and made Reddit into their own personal safe space and now they have nobody left but each other so now they are coming here.

    [–][deleted] 46 insightful - 8 fun46 insightful - 7 fun47 insightful - 8 fun -  (10 children)

    Thanks for giving us a home when we really needed it. I hope everything will go well with Saidit in the future

    [–]magnora7[S] 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

    Thanks, I appreciate the kind words.

    [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

    Can you please fix the thumbnails so we can meme out in glory? Thats all I ask. Thanks for the chapter in our book mag.

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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      [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      Man you are so lucky I am not banning you right now. Porn not allowed. Last warning.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It's not porn.

      There's no nudity.

      [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Scrotum = nudity

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Nope.

      [–]CameroonianDoctor 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks for having us, best of luck.

      [–]JustGood 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      TBH, I already knew this news was going to happen eventually, It's a absurd miracle that they lasted that long, That sub exemplify itself as a deplorable factor around what was initially supposed to be a wholesome discussion website competing Reddit.

      [–]Crad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Rip homie. Is this the end for IP subreddits? Does he have a new one?

      [–]finalsynapse 32 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

      Imagine trying to run a pro-freedom of speech forum and migrating, multiple times, to a hosting service which doesn't support freedom of speech and bends the knee for leftists. Like you'd probably learn to do research after idk the second or third time.

      [–][deleted]  (10 children)

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        [–]RuckFeddit 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        why does it have to specifically be in America?

        [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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          [–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Yup that's basically it. And the ones that aren't hot garbage are literally 3x more expensive for the exact same setup we already have now.

          [–]yellow_algebra_31 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          What about the provider kiwifarms uses?

          [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Where are they hosted?

          [–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          What about the GDPR would make it so hard for SaidIt to host there?

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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            [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Yeah I refuse to host in an EU country where GDPR is valid. It's like DMCA takedowns on steroids, as I understand it. Not good for saidit.

            [–]SaidOverRed 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Plus other countries actually think "hate speach" is a codifiable legal category. Like just saying 'fuck you' to the wrong person in some countries and now you're a racist or whatever. It is so hard to find free speech countries.

            [–]send_nasty_stuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Lenny instance.

            [–]Chipit 27 insightful - 5 fun27 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

            Damn man. Just shows what one obsessed person can do.

            [–]Dr_Bukkake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Almost like it’s a mental illness.

            [–]Sixto 27 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

            Remember that user about a year ago that said that unless saidit have clear rules that are evenly enforced the site was going to have some rough times ahead?

            Plus IP2 was generally dragging things down the pyramid of debate quite badly

            Yes. And for how long? As long as you apply the rules individually on a subjective basis, this is always going to be the end result. I'm not a part of IP2 and was one of the first to block the sub since before proper saidit blocking was in place but seeing a "free speech site, sure!" sending someone away because of your own ignorance over the last few months, if not years...

            I'm so very disappointed.

            [–]magnora7[S] 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

            They were applied as evenly as I could manage. I tried to create a place for people to talk. I'm disappointed in our server company too.

            [–]suckitreddit 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

            Tell us who these companies are, and we'll boycott all of them. Fuck them. They don't wanna play fair? I'll spread the fucking message, and force them all into bankruptcy. Might not come soon, but I'll bankrupt them so hard. I'll get all the conservatives, moderates, and centrists to boycott these bullshit censoring companies.

            [–]happysmash27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Free speech advocates will stand with you too! And many libertarians. I lean fairly left, and very libertarian, and dislike that ip2 was banned, even if I disagree with the sub itself.

            [–]IcyPenis 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            yes, suckitreddit, you yourself will force dozens of multi million dollar companies into bankruptcy. so inspiring.

            [–]Trajan 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            It’s not a surprise. Subs with the tone of an image board or Kiwi Farms won’t be tenable without a far more expensive approach to hosting. I don’t get the impression that this is the purpose of Saidit, and that’s fine. It works.

            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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              [–]LarrySwinger2 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              Thanks for being transparent and doing what you can to give communities a home.

              [–]magnora7[S] 24 insightful - 7 fun24 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

              Thanks, I'm trying my best...

              [–]wecandobetter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              We really do appreciate it

              [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                [–]antireddit 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                What was the specific complaint about ip2? Im not familiar with the sub?

                [–]Tobi69 14 insightful - 13 fun14 insightful - 12 fun15 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

                Ip2 bad

                [–]avena_sativa_3 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                Doxxing, threats of violence, harassment. It's kind of a joke though, the threads listed in the complaints are an extreme stretch to fit that definition and wouldn't hold up on any legal basis.

                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                can't doxx people that are publically on youtube

                [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                That's not always true. For example, ex-cops could have addresses unlisted from the murderers they put away but still be able to give commentary.

                [–]NoNewAbnormal 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Don't know what that sub is about but holy shit this just sucks on principle. If this happened to them, what stops the same thing from happening to other subs if someone doesn't like the content and complains too much.

                [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Yeah I agree it completely sucks on principle. Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it."

                [–][deleted] 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                we need a decentralized software like OpenBazaar or haven app where the content is stored on your phone and not servers

                this will continue as people will continue to target saidit or any other website

                [–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                I agree, we looked in to decentralized servers but the technology simply isn't there yet. It's close, maybe in 5 years, but right now I don't see any viable truly decentralized options that we could actually host this on. (needs to run ubuntu, etc)

                [–]JasonCarswell 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                If you find any alternative solutions, in the beginning, middle, or advanced stages, please be sure to share them at /s/DecentralizeAllThings.

                [–]weirdthorn 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                Team up with Kiwifarms? Null hosts sites, the last one he helped out was 9chan, iirc.

                [–]HiddenFox 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                "...Eventually the person creating these accusations convinced the server company that.."

                Can you give us more context on the accusations? I don't really know anything about ip2. (I'm going to assume the complaints were with regards to percived racism or bigotry?)

                Was there any validity to the complaints? Where they made completely out of context? Can you give us an example of some of the complaints?

                Now that the bar has moved an inch and ip2 is gone do you expect people like the accuser to try and take a foot? Will more bans be coming down now that there is a route to removal? (I know its speculation, just asking your thoughts)

                Thanks for the update about what was going on!

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                  [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                  BOLD

                  [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  ^

                  [–][deleted] 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                  I honestly felt like the IP2 sub was being destroyed from the inside. It’s changed a lot in the last 2 months. I’m not surprised this day came. It’s sad.. but I understand.

                  Idk, IP2 is what brought me to SaidIt, and then I ventured outward and saw how great SaidIt was.. this new batch of reddit refugees kinda ruined that too.. Sad days bois.

                  [–]FormosaOolong 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                  I agree. There have been sustained efforts to ruin this place from the inside out and outside in. It sucks bc this place was a nice mix there for a while and I really liked that.

                  [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  I always enjoyed your comments and I agree with you on this completely too - it did feel like we had a nice mix of users (if you ask the new “refugees”, there is no mix - we’re all antisemitic).

                  We did have some great discussions together, and I really appreciated users like you, zyxzven, koko, Popper, Jesus, Jason, Tom, and a handful more I can’t think of off the top of my head but have had friended from the jump.

                  I am sad.

                  [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  We all have our beliefs, similarities and differences but it is clear that there are a large swath of users here, new users, that could care less about the Pyramid of debate. There's them, and then also the whiners who whine about the terrible "anti-Semitism" here, instead of critiquing or debunking this anti-Semitism on their own terms. And then the bots, I saw a lot of them in the beginning posting cut and paste bullet points about how the US and everyone in the US is bashit crazy. I'm sure their was an agenda behind that too.

                  [–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Me too. SaidIt is best when there are both right and left wing opinions side-by-side, IMO.

                  It still occasionally happens today, too, but often there seems to be a bias to the right, because the right tends to be more censored online from what I see.

                  [–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Well crap. I've only been here for a couple of months and I like it here. Yes I get accused of being a goyim and an antisemite in the same day, but that's the internet for you. I hope saidit's best days are still coming.

                  [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                  Thus the need for decentralization.

                  [–]SterlingRoark 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                  Well shit just signed up here for freedom. Doesn’t matter if it offends, as long as it doesn’t violate the law it should be allowed. Oh well...

                  [–]Jesus 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                  But to Jews who have a victim persecution complex. not all, but to many, progressives or Zionists, they will censor you at all costs. Why? Because Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

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                    [–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    I agree. Server company gave us no other option.

                    [–]faustri 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                    How does bitchute and 4chan have servers? Why would users spend time building saidit if those that run it can't protect it? Seem destined to be more and more bans, like any other mainstream site.

                    [–]Jesus 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

                    bitchute is 100% ZioCon owned. It is right near MI6. 4chan is a honeypot psyop.

                    [–]FormosaOolong 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    ^

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                      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Why would I provide evidence for you. Look through my posts. God bless, you do not have Christ in you but the devil. Says the guy who deleted his account before I could post anything. I have entire posts about bit chute being ZIonist owned.

                      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Bitchute is now deleting videos concerning the critiquing of Judaism, Jewish supremacism, Israeli government and those awesome truth seekers proving that every government uses terror PsyOps to scare the public. Mossad, MI6, CIA, FSB, FBI, ADL, JDIF are all involved in this!

                      Censored Videos

                      https://www.bitchute.com/video/rbUb787YUftM/

                      https://www.bitchute.com/video/gAOfhVmEfqZH/

                      ^ ^ ^ Braden Matejka in the video above was supposedly shot in the head. He said he had brain bleeding, a cracked skull, brain swelling, fluid in the brain cavity, and that his vision was blurry and cross eyed. He posted a video where you can see doctors didn't even bother to shave his head in order to treat the gunshot wound. He started a Go Fund Me account and had raised nearly $27,000 last time I looked.

                      I don't want him shot in the head, but it sure seems like he is full of shit to me.

                      But that's precisely it! They need to make these PsyOps obvious enough for people to see through them. Why do you think they have meth addicts and prisoners do their crisis acting dirty work? Nearly all the Pulse night shooting media interviewees were criminals out on bond. All of them had mugshots such as Angel COLON, whose Doctor was Dr. LUBE, give me a break, or Norman Casiano.

                      In the case of the latter person, they make it so obvious its fake that those who see the deception cannot unseen it. They WANT YOU TO see their deception but ONLY to a certain extent. That THEY produce the narrative and video for all to see so that you can watch it and call bullcrap.

                      You are not allowed to expose it after the fact or look into the people involved. If you do that, then good luck getting anyone to watch or read your research. They'll memoryhole or delete the video during the upload process as they did with UK Critical Thinker's videos on Bitchute and Youtube.

                      Those who cannot see through this fakery will attack the skeptics. For example, look at the headlines for this man "shot" in the head. They create these overt narratives to rile up people knowing how obvious it is so that they can then later provide examples of the "hate" these researchers and skeptics post. That will then further ingrain the notion into the worshipers of state and media that they were always right.


                      Debbie, her videos posted above, was a truly sane progressive, one that spoke truth and had become aware of government sanctioned PsyOps! Now she's gone. YouTube censored her, facebook and twitter kicked her off, and Bitchute had nearly 5 pages of her videos TAKEN DOWN after their new terms of services gave precedent to ban all of her videos. Now only a few remain, of those few, are interestingly promoted by a Trump supporting Zionist, probably, like the Q-anon PsyOp, to control the conspiracy side of the public and to mix truth with disinformation in order to gatekeep the communities into understanding the deception that is Trump and the US Corporation.

                      It doesn't matter your creed, religion or color of your skin; they will censor you for exposing PsyOps. Why do you think all these suspicious ANTI-Zionist gatekeepers get to stay up on YouTube? Because they are only there to legitimize government sanctioned PsyOps! They cannot just sit and do 12 hour live streams all day or travel to Israel unabated without some funding.

                      None of these "Actorvists" have real jobs. They are subordinate to someone or some entity.

                      THEY WILL LITERALLY EXPOSE THEMSELVES

                      ...they will expose every nook and cranny of there own covert ideologues that they pretend to work against but are covertly working for, as the time is needed to acquire the necessary audience to gate-keep, surveil, and slowly introduce limited hangouts and partisanship. Alex Jones did just this. As did Mark Dice and dozens of others.

                      https://www.bitchute.com/video/W5avKm67dyeI/

                      Every video that 'Sane Progressive' made, who totally woke up after the 2016 elections to government sanctioned Psyops and the Trump-con is now censored. What they are really after is not a bunch of users commenting about how they hate blacks or Jews or what not, nothing insignificant like that, (but they will surely censor this stuff anyway) what they really want banned is the proof that many of the events that have transpired throughout our history are either state sponsored false flags or fabricated PsyOps. They want you to believe in the narratives, worship the state; whether it's the Trump state or the state before. It isn't deep, no, it's the state itself that is corrupt in its entirety and Trump is a part of it.

                      They do not mind that you believe the media is completely biased but you must never utter the words PsyOps, asymmetrical Psychological warfare, propaganda, and Perception management; never question if these events happened, only concern yourself with how the media\government presents these events, is what they would want you to do, forever, the more partisan the better! This is a purposeful divide and conquer strategy, and if you just so chose to question the legitimacy of the events, they'll use their gatekeepers (Seaman, Goodman, G. Webb, Cernovich, Mindy, Dice, Brand, Green, even the lesser knowns on payroll) and anons to inject drama/third-way conspiracy narratives and limited hangouts to lead you on a wild goose chase to nowhere.

                      It's the multiple shooter narrative! That is what we must research! ......

                      But wait all these stories are ambiguous and contradicting?

                      Why is that.

                      Dear sir, that is perception management. It is called the ambiguity scheme. It is used solely and most often in fabricated events; terror drills passed off as real to confuse as many people as possible.

                      But the multiple shooters!

                      No, son, there were no shooters.

                      You must never, ever question if these events are fake! Even though in the US they have the legal authority under the Smith-Mundt Modernization act to legally lie to you. Not that they didn't do it before.


                      Bitchute is just another Zionist owned "right-wing" crap fest. The right leaning ZioCons have hijacked the conspiracy movement and have censored the real truth seekers.

                      Bitchute terms of service

                      Bitchute is about

                      • Freedom of exoression

                      Bitchute is not about

                      • Oppression and incitement

                      There it is: Oppression!

                      What do they then deem oppression? They do not say.

                      For one def. of oppression is the state of mental pressure or distress. What videos are then distressful? Are Debbie's videos distressful?

                      Who owns Bitchute?

                      • Ray Vahey

                      Whats strange is that I can't find any Linkedin page for him. His instagram has posts from 2012 and 2013 but that's it. Nothing else. Just bizarre, creepy, and just…downright suspicious, TBH. He has a github and stack overflow but its just so odd. His digital footprint just isn't there. For someone who created such a great platform, you'd think he would have a bigger digital footprint.

                      And these videos, man, those are freaking weird. Vahey supposedly created them for kids:

                      https://www.youtube.com/user/RockstarLittle/videos

                      Promoted on the Bitchute front-page is shill after shill and zionist propaganda.

                      QUESTIONS FOR RAY VAHEY THE ZIONIST CEO OF ((( BITCHUTE)))

                      https://www.bitchute.com/video/INiS25tttm4D/

                      In the description of the video above, as I have often seen other truth seekers get impersonated, the video creator writes:

                      please note my disqus account israel=9/11 is being impersonated , this is with the permrmission of this fucking shit bitchute and its Zionist CEO Ray Fucking Vahey and his friend Tommy Robinson who Vahey wanted in the ((( EU))) parliament.

                      There is no doubt that bitchute is a pro-Zionist platform , all its endorsed channels are Zionist gatekeepers such as the preposterous Sargon , 70s porn star Styx , Tommy Robinson , israeli dual national Avi Yemini , Thailand based CEO Ray Vahey even sited bitchute to be a short drive from the UK governments notorious Zionist 77th brigade that is engaged in criminal activity against private individuals.

                      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Wtf, the bitchute video I linked is now a tumbnail of a women breastfeeding and a arab smoking through his mask!!

                      That's bitchute for you. Their search engine is all f'ed up on purpose and the videos you think you sourced are not the one you sourced.

                      [–]banned_from_reddit 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                      Have you looked into 1776hosting? It's run by the guy that owns KiwiFarms

                      [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                      I'll check it out, thanks. Any idea what country it is in?

                      [–]yellow_algebra_31 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                      [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      Hmm so probably not better than our current host, but maybe

                      [–]yellow_algebra_31 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      maybe another option: zensurfrei.com

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                        [–]Extract 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                        Pretty good host, it seems, thanks for the info.

                        Definitely going to use them over companies like Google (GCP) or Amazon (AWS). Maybe not over Digital Ocean, but I'll at least check them out.

                        While it's a shame they forced Saidit to remove IP2, considering all the other subs they are still allowing to host, they have definitely allowed 1000% more than Google / Amazon would have.

                        If this is going to be a trend, though, I might change my mind.

                        Edit Digital Ocean still better, but I'll consider them as an alternative if a client asks.

                        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Not surprised. The site runs on Ubuntu Server 14.04 from 2014, so the OS that runs on the servers is old too.

                        [–]Tobi69 12 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

                        Im not crying, you're crying. I have to say thanks for putting up with us...😢

                        [–]magnora7[S] 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

                        Thanks, I really gave it my best, but it's time to split unfortunately. I wish you the best.

                        [–]Tobi69 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                        You dont have to do this homie . Rip ip2 lol

                        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Thank you 💜

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                          [–]Crad 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                          What is next for the IP community?

                          Frankly i haven't visited the sub since it was booted off from reddit but i always had a blast with the memes and community back in the days.

                          [–]Tobi69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          We migrated homie. Ip2network.win is the forum. Ip2.network for livestreams. Makes me happy to hear someone liked the memes.

                          [–]zyxzevn 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                          Saidit is immediately spammed with links to i.ibb.co

                          They will probably try to do something new to attack this site.

                          [–]Jesus 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

                          Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

                          [–]FormosaOolong 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                          I think you need to do some deep thinking about the difference beween "jews" and Zionist extremists. These are very different things, and interchanging them like this doesn't help any of your points.

                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                          Jews can be anti-Zionist and still supremacists. I'm anti-Judaic and always will be. Zionism is NATIONALISM with Globalism, ie. Noahidism. The reformed secular sects are just as much at fault. Of course, there are good Jews that expose Israel and Fundamentalist judaism, such as Said and Shahak but they never seem to mention that Israel was founded on terrorism and is a illegitimate welfare state. Read Thomas Suarez's book and then maybe Israel Shahak's book. Judaism is a religion and ethnicity. But many progressive Jews renounced all the backwards religiosity of talmudism and fundamentalism and seek the nationalist ethnic agenda which was largely concocted by revisionist Zionists who founded the illegitimate state of Israel on terror.

                          A one state solution is the only answer. The ethnostate is ungodly. It is the antithesis of God as God is a globalist. He is a universalist and cares for all people who put his or her faith in Him in all countries, no matter the border. I have come to realize that putting your faith and voting in man is unscriptural. Christians who vote are false Christians.

                          Those who wish to preach the gospel to Jews in Israel are imprisoned for trying to convert a Jew to follow Yeshua. Some say it is the Zionist but I see a lot of degenerate Jews who believe America to be the NEW Jerusalem and could care less about Zionist. Such as the atheistic persons who call themselves Jews that push degeneracy in the media. These rich Jews are criminal degenerates. I pray that they find Christ.

                          Now with that all said, I do believe God seeks to convert Jews who listen to him. But few will open up their hearts. Israel and the US will be destroyed as Yeshua has prophesied. I pray that the ungodly, Pagan corporation of the US is destroyed and in its place a new kingdom of God's people rise up.

                          [–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                          I'm going to guess you don't know any jewish people. I grew up in a place where the vast majority of my friends and classmates were jewish, though it's not like any of us even thought about our heritages except maybe in December when some of us had xmas trees and others menorahs.

                          It saddens me when you say Jews This and Jews That bc I actually agree with you completely about the Zionist agenda and the problems it and Isreal as a political entity present on a continuing basis.

                          I feel you undermine these valid points--especially to the people that really need to hear it--by lumping actual lovely normal human beings in with a political entity that has nothing to do with them. It's no different than saying all black people are criminals or all blonde women are bimbos. You have a real blind spot here and I suspect it is because you have never knowingly hung around with people from the group you demonize. There are assholes in every group--even people who claim to love Jesus--but that doesn't make everyone in that group an asshole.

                          And let's not forget where Jesus started out.

                          [–]send_nasty_stuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                          My best friend growing up was Ashkenazim on his mothers side. I spent almost as much time with his family as my own. I was a liberal for most of my life. I'm still capable of seeing jewish power and how it uses the 'kosher sandwich' with secular jews on one side and religious Jews on the other. Jews still support jews regardless of how they express their jewish revolutionary spirit.

                          One thing I noticed about my friend and his famiy growing up was how politics and following the news and their progressive values was like a religion to them. They never once considered that Christians or right wingers had a good point. It was always about how they had the moral high ground on everything. (granted since they were family friends they were never openly anti white or anti christian to me and my family; but their politics closely informed how they voted, where they shopped and almost everything they did).

                          It saddens me when you say Jews This and Jews That bc I actually agree with you completely about the Zionist agenda and the problems it and Isreal as a political entity present on a continuing basis.

                          I think it saddens you because Jews are constantly taught the whites can turn into nazis at the drop of the hat and start gassing jews. That just isn't true. In fact the shoah is used to unite Jews against outsiders. Which is why it's pushed so hard. The Jewish community is very powerful when it puts it's financial and community strength behind a topic.

                          by lumping actual lovely normal human beings in with a political entity that has nothing to do with them

                          Powerful jews in banking, media, and other institutions that are manipulating western capitalism absolutely are tied to the Jewish community. Powerful jews are constantly hitting the very very wealthy Jewish community up for money and tacit support. Do you really think sorros would keep helping african and islamic immigrants into Europe or funding media coordination think tanks if the Jewish community turned against him? Jews need to take responsibility for the actions of their community because these actions are almost always approved by jews. They are multiple books about the billions of dollars in Jewish political organization and one thing that all have in common is these organization get together and create narrow goals and push them on multiple fronts.

                          It's no different than saying all black people are criminals or all blonde women are bimbos

                          The JQ isn't about calling all jews rats and swindlers. It's a lot more complicated and nuanced then that. You either haven't actually looked into the JQ or you're here attempting to distract from it.

                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          kosher sandwich' with secular jews on one side and religious Jews on the other. Jews still support jews regardless of how they express their jewish revolutionary spirit.

                          As a Christian, thank you. As someone who reads the bible and understands scripture, it is obvious to me that, as you've stated, it is much more nuanced than what it appears to be.

                          A good book to read would be Belloc's, titled "the Jews." He spent a great amount of time with Jews, of which his best friends were Jews. As a Christian, his short book, was a great read concerning the question of Jews, but he spent a great deal of time, as do others today, trying to tell his readers that he wasn't anti-Semitic. Even back then, it seems, one had to be careful and tiptoe over certain issues.

                          With the passing of the "kosher sandwich" Anti-Semitism bill, which many wealthy progressive and right-wing Likudnik Jews strove hard for its signage into law, it provides us with a clear example of Jews (not all) on both political asiles working together to abridge Christianity and constitutional rights.

                          Again, not blaming ALL Jews here. And certainly the Freemason noahides who founded this country, for Washington sought to make Hebrew the offical language, can be further looked into.

                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          Jews need to take responsibility for the actions of their community because these actions are almost always approved by Jews. They are multiple books about the billions of dollars in Jewish political organization and one thing that all have in common is these organization get together and create narrow goals and push...

                          Solzhenitsyn, though not faulting all Jews, makes this quite clear in his book '200 Years Together.' He says the Jews must come to terms with their past, referring to the progressive, secularist socialist Jews who sided with the Bolsheviks, and of whom held top positions in the commisar ranks. Instead of admiting to this, they censor and attack those who point this out. I would also recommend his other books including 'Cancer Ward,' 'Under the Rubble,' and 'Invisible Enemies,' among his others.

                          I must admit, that Israel Shahak, a Jewish author, has exposed the fundamentalist and utter supremacist and violent side of Judaism. He is a secular Jew and in the opening pages of hos book he paints homosexuality in a good light, though, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't teach this to his kids, and rather, he was referring to brining democracy to Israel for all people, Creeds and colors. And does not Israel have that? Tel Aviv is one of the gayest cities in the world.

                          Talmudism, Judaic messianism among the hasidic Noahide Lubavitch sects are the biggest problem for as integrationalists they will use any Jew to push their agenda.

                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          I know Jewish people. And I praise the Jews such as Menuhin, Said, Shahak, Vanunu (now Christian) and the many others who expose the ethnostate and revisionist Zionism. I admit that only a minority of Jews are at fault, and I admit too, that like the gentile or the Christian, we must also come to terms with our bloody past.

                          I'm a Christian and so I'm anti-Judaism. I always will be. That does not mean I will persecute anyone; for Yeshua told us to turn the other cheek. Rabbinical Judaism teaches the opposite. I believe the Talmud is anti-Christ. It exclaims Yeshua is boiling in feces and Mary was a whore. Yeshua was the new covanent, the only covenant. Israel is a man and his people are the remanent that followed His Way, "The Way." It isn't the illegitimate state of Israel founded on Zionist Jewish terrorism, which Scofield was tasked with manipulating bible verses to trick Christians into supporting the Zionist cause, which, as I have now understood it to be connected to the Jesuit pope and the hasidic Chabad-Lubavitch sect pushing noahidism. (Maurice Pinay: exposes this on his twitter and in his book). For the Zionist ideology itself is one that is founded on terrorism. A thesis that Thomas Suraez details clearly in his book.

                          Are you Jewish? X-mas trees? Though Christmas is in itself a pagan concept. Yeshua would not denounce at all if I celebrated his life and gave to the needy.

                          We are all human and I do admit that Jews are the most propagandized people on the planet. A victim/persecution complex is built into their psyche by religiosity and tradition at birth for the Zionist cause. It has become the tradition of the religion, ever changing to accommodate for modern times but still holding dearly to backwards practices nevertheless.

                          It saddens me when you say Jews This and Jews That because I actually agree with you completely about the Zionist agenda and the problems it and Isreal as a political entity present on a continuing basis.

                          Jews are either religious or they are not. In which case they are merely ethnic Jews, and ethnic by how much, I'm not sure. To not only critique the woes of Zionism and its detrimental, racist beliefs but also supremacism and the false progressivism of certain atheistic Jews, and non-Jews too, but referring to the former, who push anti-Christian laws, and degeneracy, does not in anyway delegitimatize my concern for the commin Jew. Again, I'm not blaming all Jews here. I think you can read through the lines to know that when I post these things, I make a distinction that they ARE Jews, not that all Jews ARE the cause.

                          So, why is it that when I mention that someone is a Jew, I am immediately chastised, not by you, certainly we have had great conversations; but by other users, who cannot understand context and instead superimpose, or rather, protect the criminality of other Jews because they are afriad to critique or come to terms with their past. There certainly is an integrationalist ideology built into most of the sects of Judaism, including reformed, which tries to encompass Judaism as a monolith.

                          ...a political entity that has nothing to do with them. It's no different than saying all black people are criminals or all blonde women are bimbos.

                          But see, I never said that, did I. I said THEY ARE Jews, but never suggested that ALL Jews were a part of the criminality or ethnic monopolization of industry by a minority of Jews.

                          You have a real blind spot here and I suspect it is because you have never knowingly hung around with people from the group you demonize.

                          I'm not demonizing Judaism. I believe it to be anti-Christ. I pray for them and will turn the other cheek. I know Jews and my neighbor a few blocks away who I see occasionally is Jewish. I don't blame him for the woes of government corruption or Zionism. He's a reform Jew with little to no affiliation with Israel that I know of. But again, why is he a Jew then? What makes him Jewish.

                          That his mother was Jewish? Of course, this maternal belief in birthright is anti-Christ as the Torah teaches the opposite. That it is from the father. It seems from the 16th century a "blood purity" probably due to persecution was taught to teligious Jews who subsequently renounced their religiosity.

                          If they are ethnic Jews, then fine, I don't demonize them, they have free will, but the Lubavitchers as intergrationalists will certainly use them for their own cause. And I think, many, will accept their proposition partly because of a persecution complex and their convert ethno-nationalist beliefs that I have come to witness in the largely atheitic Jewish progressive class. Again, these are just my observations. And those who I ha e known and talked to.

                          But all Jews are people. We are all human beings. And God has told us to love everyone and help to teach them the way. So, I hate nobody.

                          There are assholes in every group--even people who claim to love Jesus--but that doesn't make everyone in that group an asshole.

                          When did I use the generalization fallacy? I say that they are Jews behind these companies, that is true, they are, but I don't say ALL Jews are behind them. As if all Jews are a monolith.

                          And let's not forget where Jesus started out.

                          Not as a rabbinical Jew. But an ethnic Jew by the fatherly line through David. If anything, his way is the real Judaism. They say they are Jews but are not. For they are the synagouge of Satan. Meaning that the wealthy "Jews" as they call themselves, "Jews" like Sumner Redstone, Netanyahu, Kushner and the homosexual atheistical "Jews" who push degeneracy are anti-Christ.

                          But Christ, above all, teaches us to turn the other cheak and preach to others his way. That is what we must do.

                          I do not fault every Jew, for humans have free-will as God intended. Certain Catholics worked hard to bar Jews from converting to christianity, believing them to be infiltrating the religion for ulterior reasons.

                          There was some truth to this, as it was revealed by the Pope but barring Jews or any other person from putting their faith in Christ is all the more anti-Christ.

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                            [–]RuckFeddit 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

                            What I don't understand is you literally started this board as an anti-censorship board and you've now banned a huge chunk of your userbase with no real proof of why. The pyramid of debate died as soon as the reddit driftwood came and you know it. This has fucking nothing to do with IP2.

                            While I do believe you, this sets a really shitty precedent for the future and makes me lose faith in this board and you personally. If one pissed off streamer from fucking IP2 can get an entire board shoah'd, I can't wait to see what's next.

                            [–]magnora7[S] 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

                            Here's the list of links that violated our server companies acceptable use policy: https://i.imgur.com/a5IxIEc.png

                            You can see the truth, or you can falsely blame me for what's happening because you're mad. Up to you

                            [–]RuckFeddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                            I literally said I believe you. I asked for proof and I've gotten a saidit post from what I can tell. Where's the formal complaint from the provider?

                            [–]magnora7[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                            Well I don't want to share it publicly because that just gives another attacker a blueprint for how to mess up this site, so that's not a very smart thing to do from an operational security standpoint.

                            [–]RuckFeddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                            I highly doubt they drew a map of your network on the document. Even if they did, you can black it out or put something on it. You could at least give us the complaint.

                            Seeing as you switched providers multiple times, you could even show us an old complaint from a no longer relevant provider.

                            [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                            I already gave you the complaint. It was breaking their acceptable use policy because of the links in the image I sent earlier.

                            [–]RuckFeddit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                            The complaint to YOU from YOUR PROVIDER. Are we respecting the pyramid of discussion now by playing semantics? you knew what I was asking for originally now you don't anymore.

                            [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                            That's still risky if he misses something.

                            [–]RuckFeddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                            Are we children? can we not parse a document? it's risky to get in your car every day.

                            [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                            That's exactly the risk. Others could parse it and find something he missed and should not have exposed.

                            [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                            Lol the fact that this
                            https://saidit.net/s/ice_poseidon2/comments/58ab/acab_all_criminals_are_black
                            is part of the complaint just means that this site is dead.

                            [–]Moister 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                            We are living in a world where you can celebrate the beating or murder of white “supremacists” on sites like reddit and Twitter with no censorship but applause and cheers, yet a post saying all criminals are black can contribute to shutting down an entire community. All cops are bastards is just fine too, hating on an entire group of people but yeah, that’s just fine I guess in the fucked up world we are living in. RIP SAIDIT

                            [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                            I was told on reddit that white people should be killed. Certainly, this person was not banned. There is plenty of hate against caucasians over there and over on Voat its against muslims, Blacks and Jews but mostly muslims. Here at least we can try to push the pyramid of debate unto others. It provides us with some sense of logical thinking to adhere to.

                            [–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                            Yea, I mean the last time I checked that site there was literally a video of a white chick being slammed into the ground that was on the front page. The video was too short to know what the context was but because of this BLM bullshit it obviously means to them some sort of justice in their fucked up minds.

                            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                            Got a link?

                            [–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            I'll try and find it, it was a chick being pulled out of a car by a black dude but it had zero context. It was literally just posted to say, "Hey look at this chick being pulled outta the car by a black dude! Justice!"

                            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Zero context, like nearly every video these days.

                            [–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            SaidIt isn't dead yet! But perhaps we should look to moving towards something more decentralised.

                            [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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                              [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                              Yes, they're a bit more strict.

                              [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              Are you worried that with ip2 gone, they'll just come after the whole thing. "Hate speech" can be anything SJW's want it to be. Remember that ted talk screeching about how 'asking where you are from' is racist?

                              [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Yup, I hate licorice! Hate speech is just ajother word to set a precedent to censor criticism. Of course, threatening someone with violence or terror is altogether different. I would not mind if a sever company had this rule clearly detailed but hate speech is so broad that it becomes just another avenue for censorship down the road.

                              [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                              This sounds like Reddit excuses.

                              [–]WhiteZealot 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

                              What a cuck.

                              You should have just kept moving from company to company until you found a good one.

                              [–]Jesus 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

                              https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services

                              ^ ^ ^ Nearly all of them are owned by Jews or Zionists, progressive or aligned with the Likud.

                              Bluehost web hosting company, which is one of the 20 largest web hosts – all 20 of which are owned by Jews. Owned by Endurance International Group, in turn owned by the Jews’ private equity firms Warburg Pincus and GS Capital Partners.

                              • Jason Cohen, founder of WP Engine hosted service provider

                              • Sage Weild of Dreamhost, a web hosting provider and domain name registrar

                              • Hillan Klein of Namecheap Inc.

                              • Steven Aldrich of GoDaddy Inc.

                              • Steven Aldrich of GoDaddy Inc.

                                Elliot Noss, President and Chief Executive Officer of Tucows Inc. 201411-robert-keane

                              Robert Keane of Cimpress N.V., owner of Vistaprint and Webs.com

                              Jeff Stibel of Web.com

                              Magid Abraham, founder of Paragren Technologies and co-founder of comScore, Inc.

                              James Bidzos of Verisign, Inc.

                              Jason Stockman of ProtonMail

                              Marc Katz of CustomInk

                              Anthony Casalena of Squarespace

                              Jerome Kohlberg of Internet Brands, owner of vBulletin Solutions, Inc. OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA

                              Matthias Henze, co-founder of Jimdo web hosting service

                              Paul Edmondson, founder and CEO of HubPages, owner of Squidoo LLC.

                              Angelo Sotira, co-founder of DeviantArt, Inc.

                              Richard Rabbat, co-founder and CEO of Gfycat

                              Adam Leibsohn, chief operating officer of Giphy

                              Josh Coates of Instructure

                              [–]WhiteZealot 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                              How much does it cost to start a new hosting service?

                              [–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                              It doesn't matter because when you start one you are under the microscope by the US legal system. Which is the real reason all these server companies act like this. Because they legally cannot afford not to.

                              [–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                              Who cares about the Americans? They’re an empire in its death throes.

                              Why not use a host based in Russia, Vietnam, etc.

                              [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                              Usually because they don't run well, or the interface isn't in English, or the prices aren't good, or they can't sustain the attacks we see regularly. If we can balance all those things and find someone who actually offers that, I have no problem moving to another country.

                              [–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              In fact we started out in Switzerland iirc.

                              [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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                                [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Yeah lol. I've had literally 4 different people suggest we move servers to Russia in the last 24 hours. I don't think Russia is a good option, at all.

                                Remember there are certain images of putin that are illegal in russia. So free speech is not really a concept over there in the way we can depend on it here.

                                [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                Antartica?

                                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                i like your comment

                                [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Let's just shoot up our own satellites!

                                [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                Then are you telling me we can take down SJW websites using the same methods that they're happily using on us?

                                [–]Jesus-Christ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                I think the difference is that "SJW websites" are of no issue because they comply with what's regarded as the "good thing" you see today. Where as politically incorrect communities such as IP2 that's typically right wing are often attacked. Not saying the removal was justified by the server company but I'm just speculating as to why I think the removal of these communities are so common now. The people that boycott these things simply outweigh us in numbers, and in today's current climate I can see why this dumb SJW shit is favored. In this particular instance is was one insane person, and because the company don't wanna be associated with "bad" things they pressured for the site to be taken down.

                                [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                We just need more of these insane persons then.

                                There is plenty of things said on reddit and such that would outrage normies. Most of the redpills are simply links to things that the SJWs say.

                                [–]WhiteZealot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                Ok, but can't you host your own website and be protected by the First Amendment?

                                How do 4chan and TheRightStuff.biz stay up?

                                [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                4chan stays up because it's an active fed honeypot, imo. The feds run the servers

                                Kind of like how no one in the world has more illegal porn than the FBI

                                4chan obviously has some kind of special pass, and I think it's because they're in the folds of federal agencies

                                [–]SKWIDZ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                Why do you care about Jews so much? Do they live rent-free in your head?

                                [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Nice fallacy.

                                [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                  [–]Jesus 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Solzhenitsyn said to never give them even a millimeter.

                                  [–]suckitreddit 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                  I hate to make this suggestion, but have you talked to the guys at Voat.co? They're still up, and their content is way worse than anything on saidit. What company are they using?

                                  [–]Jesus 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                                  The honeypot site?

                                  [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Okay, I'll hesitantly ask. What makes you think it's a honeypot?

                                  [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

                                  On the plus side, they can start their own SaidIt instance. I'd love to hear about other SaidIt instances if they do.

                                  I don't know how the federation thing works, but maybe some content can be federated to be kinda seamless maybe sorta perhaps.

                                  [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                  You know what, fuck reddit clones. Bulletin boards were better.

                                  [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I sometimes wonder what this place would be like with no voting at all... Just sorted by thread with the newest comment like old style

                                  [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Some still are.

                                  [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                  I don't see how the complaints were valid. It appears that someone was just abusing DMCA which is against the law. Could you expand more into what forced them to do this?

                                  https://i.imgur.com/0UfdQTT.png

                                  [–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                  They were abusing DMCA law, however the server company's Acceptable Use Policy was the problem.

                                  [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Gotcha

                                  [–]justjoggin 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                  Pardon my ignorance, but what is IP2 and which of the Server’s TOS were being violated with that sub existing?

                                  [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                  These were the specific links cited. https://i.imgur.com/a5IxIEc.png

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                                  Not sorry to see that sub go.

                                  IMO, IP2 was contrary to the Pyramid of Debate as the main emphasis of IP2 was to degrade and demean others. Outside of the debate structure itself, what is the Pyramid of Debate for other than to help the individual to question and to learn? To help enlighten the individual, not beat them down. There's a difference between conveying information saying some people treat others like shit and saying you the fellow saiditor are shit. It's not an act in good faith. To me, acting in good faith is being able to accept another's point of view whether you agree or not. But if your point of view is fuck everybody, or fuck this group or that group, I don't think it's conducive to the enlightenment of others. It only lends itself to ill will. Now, I think it's fair to say I see this group as doing such and such and I disagree with it, but to say fuck that group just because is just prejudice and akin to Name Calling.

                                  As I see it, if your main point is just to degrade or demean others, you really have no point at all.

                                  [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                                  Do I get to define what "degrade and demean others" mean then?
                                  When feminists say men and women are equals, do I get to remove and censor their subs? Clearly they are degrading men that are stronger.
                                  What about when someone says blacks and whites are equally intelligent? Do I get to censor their subs? Clearly they are degrading whites down to the level of blacks.

                                  Your interpretation of PoD will be subject to abuse because it can easily be turned into "sexism, racism, etc. bad" and we all know who gets to decide what sexism and racism is and it's not those speaking the truth, it's those wanting to hide the truth and those that want to destroy the white civilization.

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                                  Do I get to define what "degrade and demean others" mean then?

                                  Sure, for yourself, but this site's parameters are set by the admins.

                                  You feel degraded if you're not told your superior? It's your choice to believe you're a victim I guess. You only degrade yourself...

                                  [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                                  You feel degraded if you're not told your superior?

                                  Do you feel degraded if I say that you're like a monkey? I mean it's your choice to believe you're a victim I guess. You only degrade yourself...

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                                  LoL! Not at all - I like monkeys!

                                  [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                  Okay and if I compared all blacks to monkeys, then that'd be fine too I guess. Not at all degrading, right? We like monkeys after all.

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                  How are you comparing blacks to monkeys? There are similarities between monkeys and humans. If you feel the need to compare blacks to monkeys because you feel you need to prove that whites are superior, I would suggest you perhaps seek some counseling, you may have problems with inadequacy or an inferiority complex. I do see there are physical and cultural differences between races, but to state one race is superior to another only shows weakness in the individual who states it, IMO.

                                  [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                  Why is it degrading to compare blacks to monkeys?

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                  As I see it, racism itself is and always has been a tool to divide people. Some people are afraid of racists, others think they are racist. Everyone uses discrimination to ascertain their environment and other people. Many are ignorant and follow the propaganda given to them from authorities or groups. It would seem that those who are willing to find and consider conflicting information and draw their own conclusions are in the minority. We are all of the same human race who has been divided through the generations and pitted against each other to be controlled by the few. Before the tower of Babel there was only one language.

                                  Are you racist?

                                  Would you find the following comment upon comment of

                                  blacks are monkeys

                                  in any way informative or enlightening?

                                  I don't. I think it's content that's neither and is just negative towards others.

                                  Is your point of being on Saidit to prove your superiority, or the superiority of whites over blacks?

                                  [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                  and is just negative towards others.

                                  I assume you mean it's negative, because blacks are superior to monkeys?

                                  Is your point of being on Saidit to prove the superiority of blacks over monkeys? Are you racist? Don't you think racism has been a tool to divide people and monkeys?

                                  [–]yellow_algebra_31 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I think it would help if the Pyramid of Debate rules were much clearer. It's a bit subjective and unevenly enforced right now. This creates a problem where neither users nor mods really know what the standards are, and enforcement is uneven and thus unfair. And where users don't have a clear idea of what's being censored and what's not.

                                  [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                  While I agree with your assessment, I would still say that as long as it was only showing up to those who were subbed, then it wasn't hurting anything. Except, you know the doxxing and stuff. No excuse there.

                                  [–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                  it wasn't hurting anything

                                  Except the large overhead of admins having to constantly deal with adverse traffic (DDOS etc) and monitor the sub, ultimately leading to the host threatening to pull the site entirely.

                                  I think there were a few users who were from IP2 who came over to the other subs and could actually articulate a point, but if all you have to say is nigger and faggot, I don't see that there's any point or anything worthwhile for anyone else, and there were users who came into the other subs and did exactly that. It's just adolescent behavior from those who get off on degrading others. It's just shit content that brings down the site.

                                  [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    I'm banning you again because you repeatedly drag discussion down the pyramid of debate and now you're ban evading as well.

                                    [–]Andy 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                    ok reformedstoic

                                    [–]geraldinepoofhauser 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                    wanna debate?

                                    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                                    T7

                                    [–]ebzebra 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                    T7

                                    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                    T7

                                    [–]Tobi69 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                    T7

                                    [–]Ossidiana 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Turning into Reddit 2.0 already? Man, people really HATE freedom.

                                    [–]Leo_Littlebook 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                    This is very encouraging for those of us who are deplatformed and politically incorrect. I2P was systematically breaking Saidit rules, and yet Magnora fought hard for them anyway. Which means that all the rest of us have to do is follow the rules!

                                    Thanks.

                                    [–]geraldinepoofhauser 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                    make sure to lick the dirt out of the grooves in the heel of the boot too

                                    [–]Leo_Littlebook 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Stop crying. I read the Daily Stormer, and they wouldn't be able to host their sub here either. If you're big enough to be a target, then be a big boy and setup your own hosting.

                                    You guys had plenty of time, thanks to Saidit. You should've known this was coming. If you didn't, that says more about your IQ than it does about Magnora.

                                    [–]faustri 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                                    Why wont you name the server company? The whole thing seems totally cucked.

                                    [–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Because doing so opens us up for more attacks, obviously.

                                    [–]dramasexual 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                    Probably because he wants to make the idiots spam-complaining about saidit at least work a little.

                                    [–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Cope

                                    [–]Tobi69 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Lets not fight fire with fire.

                                    [–]Drewski 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                    I know this wasn't your choice and appreciate that you fought against your host's judgement. I didn't visit the IP2 sub regularly, but this sets an unfortunate precedent that someone can go and complain to your host to censor other people's speech. Seems like similar tactics that AHS uses on reddit to shut down communities they disagree with. The hosting seems like the weakest link for sure.

                                    My concern from the beginning has been that any community that is centralized can be toppled by bad actors, and this reinforces that belief. I wonder if decentralization is the future of free speech online, federation, P2P, blockchain... I also know other sites such as gab had similar issues getting dumped by their host, maybe some research could be done into their hosting provider. I imagine infowars, zerohedge, cryptome, wikileaks, cryptome, thepiratebay have gone through the same thing also.

                                    Anyhow, I don't want to be a complete downer, I really enjoy this community and appreciate all the work /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr have put into this place. I really don't want to see this go the path of reddit, and if there's any way the community can help out I'm sure others here feel the same way.

                                    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Thanks. We've been looking at decentralized options, but we've never been able to find one that can run the saidit software. We'd have to start from scratch and it would be extremely time-consuming.

                                    If there exists a decentralized option that can run Ubuntu (and thus wouldn't require us to re-code everything), I would love to look more in to that. But every option I've explored has either been not open source, or not compatible with our software (and requires a total re-code).

                                    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Decentralization certainly is the future.

                                    [–]DON2 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    is pissboi the one making all the complaints or SJC

                                    [–]Tobi69 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                    Its a sad day

                                    [–]suckitreddit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Let's sue them instead. I will support this lawsuit.

                                    [–]Shadow_Death 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    After the racist porn posts yesterday it doesn't surprise me. Some basement dweller is just trying to get saidit killed off because they can't handle the fact that Reddit is turning into a echo chamber as people leave it. These snot nosed little shits know that they are on the wrong side of everything and that's why they can't let stuff like public debate or public forums go uncontrolled by them. They claim to be Anti-fascist yet all they do is try to be an authoritarian voice for anyone who disagrees with them while being racist towards anyone who isn't white that disagrees with them.

                                    They need to come to terms what reddit is dying. They did it themselves by injecting politics into every subreddit so that they can express "orange man bad" everywhere. Now they've turned their sights on saidit.

                                    [–]Grimoires_penis 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                    I’m just posting here to say thanks magnora. You put up with us for a long time. You are a good guy/gal no matter all the hate you get. I hope your server company treats you right. Good luck homie.

                                    [–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Thanks, appreciate the kind words. Thanks for using saidit, hope you had a good time while it lasted

                                    [–]send_nasty_stuff 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    our server company is forcing our hand.

                                    So change servers or close the site down. If you give in to this shit the server essentially runs saidit not you.

                                    [–]Jesus-Christ 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                                    So what happens when people continually push for subsaidits to be removed that they don't like, and the server company forces you to close down those too?

                                    [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                    I don't think we have any other subs that violate their AUP in practice

                                    [–]Jesus-Christ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    That's fair, you made the right decision in this instance because you were literally cornered into it. It just seems like if one crazy person is able to pressure the company into almost taking down the site, I can't imagine the way they react when they get boycotted by a group of borderline insane retards.

                                    [–]Jesus-Christ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                    I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to servers and shit, but I was wondering; if a group of guys are passionate for something such as this and live in Europe, would it be possible if they were to just set up servers for this site specifically? I suppose you'd have to trust them first, but I reckon it'd make them unlikely to buckle under the pressure of crazy people, since they aren't a company with a reputation to uphold and understand the issue you're dealing with.

                                    [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                    Yes it's possible, but they'd need to be outside the EU so GPDR doesn't apply. So like Swizerland, Norway, Iceland. And then we have to find a service that is stable enough to handle the DDOSes we regularly see. Then the cost has to be low enough to not be ridiculous.

                                    I've yet to find anything that meets those 3 criteria.

                                    [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Iceland, were they not the only country to kick out the bankers after 2008? I always admired that country and its people.

                                    [–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Hopefully by then we have a decentralised platform.

                                    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                      [–]ebzebra 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                      its a slippery slope as they say..

                                      [–]iraelmossadreddit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                      well i guess that's how the honey pot is ended

                                      [–]solder0 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                      I'm sad to hear this even though I never frequented IP2. Now, I wonder if the spam on the front page has anything to do with this?

                                      [–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                      Yes it most definitely does have to do with it, someone with way too much time on their hands is throwing a hissyfit

                                      [–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                      someone with way too much time on their hands is throwing a hissyfit

                                      That's the arsehole people should be mad at, not you. You are in a tricky position trying to find a fair balance, and you've done a great job straddling that crazy tightrope.

                                      IP2 people can still create their own old-school BB or whatnot and carry on calling each other faggot to their hearts' content. Yes, I agree that it sucks that servers are policing content, but we are in strange times, and there exist work-arounds for IP2 if they are committed to continuing to communicate in that way.

                                      [–]0O_O0 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                      magnora7 should resign. He's failed again and his endless lies are unacceptable.

                                      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                        [–]Tarrock 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                        Have you thought about pressing charges for DMCA abuse?

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Yes

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                        In fact I kept advocating for this after we got 6 complaints that were obviously fraudulent, but the server company wasn't interested in going after this guy at all. No wonder DMCA is abused so much when there are basically no consequences for the abusers unless someone highly motivated spends a lot of time and money fighting back.

                                        [–]Tarrock 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Will you be going after them though? Sargon recently won a DMCA case between UK and the USA against an SJW going after his videos.

                                        [–]Dr_Bukkake 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        And this site will turn exactly into Reddit in 3....2....1

                                        [–]m68k 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Totally sucks. I hope you guys find a better server some day.

                                        [–]neovulcan 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Am I the only one with no clue what IP2 even is?

                                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Imagine

                                        [–]binrobinro 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Sounds like you made the right decision.

                                        [–]Tobi69 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                        Thanks again magnora7. Fuck we had a good time here...im sorry some idiots won

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                        Yeah same, I'm sad this is how it's ending too. I'm glad you enjoyed it while it lasted.

                                        [–]ctvzbuxr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        It works once, it works again. Censorship never stops with one thing. This is only the beginning.

                                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Not cool for IP, I don't like them but I defend their right to free speech to my death.

                                        [–]galaxybrain 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Find a new host or self-host the site. There's no value in saidit if it can be silenced just like any other platform

                                        [–]soundsalad 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Fuck that sub, but it respects the 1st amendment and should be allowed to stay. Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.

                                        [–]I3eerr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                        You have always been patient and transparant with us, thanks for having us and goodluck in the future.

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Thanks I tried my best. Good luck to you too

                                        [–]Locke 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                                        Good riddance to that trash sub.

                                        [–]forgottenpasswordguy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                                        What was it about?

                                        [–]Jesus-Christ 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                        They were a community that discussed IRL streamers. They were pretty toxic but they didn't leak outside of their community so it was a none-issue to those that didn't participate. I think a lot of them also donated to the site's patreon.

                                        [–]Locke 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                        I blocked it early on but all I knew about it was the posts showing up on the front page that caused me to block it. As the mods are admitting it constantly dragged down the pyramid of debate, I don't know why it was allowed on the front page in the first place. I suppose "They donated a lot of money to the Patreon." could explain why they got special treatment.

                                        [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                        They weren't allowed on the front page. They took themselves off of /all. They were briefly on the front page before we had that feature programmed in to the website. The IP2 money is not a part of the decision, it's like $100/mo, it's not enough to influence any decisions.

                                        [–]gof-urself2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        sure bud

                                        [–]Butttcandy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                        Ip2 was swarming with Nazis at this point. not even just trolls. Best to cut off the cancer.I'm not even moving to their new site

                                        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                        Hasbara more than likely. And the occasional teenage gamer fascist.

                                        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I am having a gamer moment in cod now

                                        [–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I'm glad it was only IP2, at least, that was the problem, as that sub is bad enough that I blocked it myself (and it takes a LOT for me to block anything at all).

                                        I'm still disappointed though :( , as I oppose censorship even of things I dislike.

                                        Hopefully we can get a decentralised platform at some point that doesn't rely on server hosting like this. Who knows what they will decide is unacceptable next?

                                        [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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                                          [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

                                          I agree about your description of IP2. It's childish nonsense and nothing truly harmful. But in the end, I don't know enough about running saidit to criticize anything Magnora7 does. And I think you probably don't either.

                                          [–]Sixto 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                                          I know /u/magnora7 ignored my advices when it came on what Euro-country to migrate saidit to and it lasted for a rather short time because it was a stupid choice to go to Switzerland...

                                          [–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                          We left switzerland over a year ago after a DDOS caused by IP2. It shut down the whole server farm and they blackholed us with no warning. You really haven't been following this very closely

                                          [–]Sixto 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                          We left switzerland over a year ago after a DDOS caused by IP2. It shut down the whole server farm and they blackholed us with no warning. You really haven't been following this very closely

                                          I never claimed it was recently and nothing in your post is contradictory to my statements?

                                          [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Sorry your incorrect grammar made it sound like you thought we were still in switzerland

                                          [–]quinque 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Sixto:

                                          I was posting a reply excusing my bad grammar because I've never had any formal English education, disregarding your lack of capitalization of nouns and punctuation when calling out my bad grammar. In the mean time you've deleted my post that called out your current and ongoing uneven moderation and blaming the users for "letting slip" the hosting company when it was you yourself that told everyone 10 MONTHS AGO and I only error 403 when trying to reply.

                                          When using the account Sixto there has been no notification that I'm banned from posting, no statements that I've lost the ability to participate or anything of the kind. That means it's either a bug or you guys are now selectively and secretly stopping people from posting on saidit.

                                          Perhaps you can clarify?

                                          [–]Nemacolin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          OK, I’ll bite. What is IP2?

                                          [–]Jesus-Christ 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          A community that talked about IRL streamers. Mostly "Ice Poseidon" and his goon squad before he inevitably died off into irrelevancy. They were pretty toxic but they didn't leak into other parts of the site so it was really a none-issue for those that didn't want to participate. They were pretty helpful with the site's popularity too when they first transitioned over here.

                                          [–]M3k2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Ip2 made saiddit. This site is and will be literally nothing without ip2.

                                          [–]Tom9152 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Ban the top whiners, site wide. Problems solved. And less work for you.

                                          [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Haha I wish it was that easy

                                          [–]PurpleArmy_18 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          RIP IP2

                                          [–]Antifa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                          I wonder (((who))) would l possibly go to such lengths.

                                          Shut it down!

                                          [–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          You know exactly who.

                                          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Produced by Ben Brock Johnson, Amory Sivertson, Jeremy S. Bloom, Alice Wilder and Temitayo Fagbenle Hosted by Tobin Low and Kathy Tu

                                          Who are these people?

                                          [–]Odin11 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Fuck you Ice Poseidon you racist, lying, misogynistic paedophile. We know it was you lodging those complaints because your dumb fucken ass thinks you will get unbanned from Twitch. Guess what? You won’t ever be unbanned fuck nut.

                                          [–]MiaXiang 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Maybe look into getting your own servers?

                                          [–]zitanon 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Look up the VPS provider: cockbox. They DGAF about stupid shit like this, pro-free speech, don't comply with DMCA requests, are outside the reaches of all western country's data sharing programs and take bitcoin.

                                          Hit me up if you have questions. I've been using them for a minute.

                                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                          for a minute.

                                          Please don't say that ever again.

                                          But who owns them? What country are the affiliated with?

                                          [–]K6nEupSk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Time for a decentralized solution.

                                          [–]md_saidit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                          What's IP2?

                                          [–]Alt-Universe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                          You did your best homie. So long and thanks for all the fish

                                          So Long and Thanks for all the Fish

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG6b3V2MNxQ

                                          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Who ever was dense enough to believe in this protocol anyways?

                                          [–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                          So I've read a lot of comments here and I'm trying to absorb what's happening.

                                          In addition to adhering to Saidit's policies, Saidit itself has to agree to an AUP in order to receive hosting. Do all the hosting companies have these kind of AUP's ? Is it the standard stuff like no violence, racism, etc ?

                                          So the only free speech we have left is if you host your own physical server, or are there additional barriers at that level. I can think of at least one, domain registration, where you probably have to agree to the same AUP.

                                          [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Do all the hosting companies have these kind of AUP's ? Is it the standard stuff like no violence, racism, etc ?

                                          Yes. Because if they don't they're legally liable. Say someone starts a violent militia on their servers, the government will shut down their server company. So they're all afraid of things like this, so they all have AUPs that are at least as tight as federal law, but most are tighter in practice so the companies can cover their butt.

                                          Even hosting a physical server comes with lots of hurdles, like the rules of the ISP, and the federal government.

                                          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Because National security?

                                          [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Do whatcha gotta do. I hope this site is able to stay up. IP2 can maybe go move in with .win like consume product.

                                          [–]bug-in-recovery 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Lol, this sounds familiar.

                                          [–]Tobi69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                          Can i still chill here? I like the app

                                          [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                          Sure, just obey the site rules and you're more than welcome to hang out on saidit. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

                                          [–]Tobi69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          Ty i really like hot, so ill be there i guess.

                                          [–]var_machine 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                          I'm out of the loop. Can some please fill me in. What is IP2? Why was it banned?

                                          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                                            [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                            Maybe could we have decentralized servers all around from people who have extra computers?

                                            Yes that would be an ideal solution. I've looked in to this quite a bit. However the technology is just not quite there yet, it can't handle our existing software. It's maybe 5 years away.

                                            [–]Smylez 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                            SJC wins in the end 🦀

                                            [–]ackza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                            Just use this https://hive.blog/created/hive-190948 and u can't ever get censored and the "server" isn't run by anyone its a blockchain thats had 4 years to prepare for this, its hosted by global network of anonymous crypto hackers who live for this sort of scenarios https://hive.blog

                                            https://hive.blog/created/hive-190948

                                            Your welcome homes and oh did i mention this shot actually pays u bitcoin backed hive tokens for postong and even upcoming cus of curation rewards?