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[–]VirgilGriff 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (107 children)

Are you allowed to say you admire Hitler? Because that seems like the current canary in the coal mine, at least according to that user saying his comments were deleted for doing so. Not sure if that was from an admin or just mods, though.

I admire the fuck out of Hitler. The only thing he did wrong was losing.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Are you allowed to say you admire Hitler?

The misinformed will not understand how this could be a reasonable opinion.

They are now trying hard to pass all kinds of domestic terrorist and laws making criticism of Israel a criminal offense.

people should be able to make up their mind if somethign is disinfo or not. I'm still here and probably 3/4ths of the stuff posted on ALL is pro-ZIonsit disinfo but it is easy for me to see.

/s/TheAmeliaMay we don't know what we don't know.

There's mountains of misinfo and bullshit that are caked onto the way things probably (cause you can't be 110% certain) went down in Europe in the 1930's-40's.

The zionists own most of the media, and manufacture the history books.

You won't find a "holocaust" section in a pre 1965 encyclopedia, for self-evident reasons; 20 years after WW2.

A decent, but clearly biased source is David Irving.
He's a pro British, and self admitted racist, but he cited the original source documents.

All sources are biased, but honest sources will declare their biases.

cc /u/Jesus

Edit: Here's a classic example. Irving is smart, factual, and quite funny.

David Irving - Warmongers, England, Winston Churchill.

I can assure anyone who hasn't read/heard Irving that they'll have their minds blown.

For example, Irving details Churchill planned to assassinate US Ambassador Kennedy. This is according to Kennedy himself. Through official channels.

You can't make this stuff up.

Censorship is a weapon against the public.

The truth shall set us free.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He wasn't a great guy, but was surely doing something folks don't like to try and understand. He did more than just losing. At the end, he was in shambles and had given up all hope. I don't trust everything they say about what he did, but it is clear he lost heart and started making mistakes. He did more wrongs than you are letting on, even if you admire the fuck out of him. I mean, those early days are historically significant in so many ways, and those writings and conversations will be continued for generations to come, regardless of any wrongs he did or did not do.

I also think this is the big canary in the coal mine.. Edit: if we can make subs about Colonial America we should be able to make subs about Nazi Germany.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (104 children)

I will not ban you for saying that; I cannot speak for Magnora. I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so, so be wary of that.

[–]specialsauces 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (71 children)

i am so tired of all of this "i am going to ban you, i am going to censor you" bull shit.

am I the only one that is tired of this twitter and facefuck censorship bull crap?

Like i need somebody constantly reprimanding me when i speak, for fucks sake.

for me, i really enjoy mr hitler as an administrator and as a manager, but i dont quite understand what his issue was with those nice jewish people..

i hardly need some half cocked drag queen telling me that i cant discuss this.

where did we ever get this idea that one person could decide which topics were valid to discuss?

answer: it happened when we allowed faggots into our classrooms.

fk.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (62 children)

Advocating violence is against the rules; I didn't write the rules.

[–]specialsauces 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

fuckin faggots have put up a fence around my white house(including razor wire) and they have declared their intent to put me into a death camp, and you wanna tell me that i have to be nice and not use violent words?

okey dokey then, gotcha, thats a big 10-4 rubber duckie.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

There is a way to be clever about such things. Edit: clever as in, you can say your view without actually advocating anything, or inciting wrath from the defenders.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, you can support Hitler without supporting violence. Just don't tell people to start killing others.

[–]specialsauces 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

werent they clever about how they put up a tall fence with razor wire around my whitehouse?

they were so slick.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Take it up with Magnora.

[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

get fucked, faggot. FREE SPEECH is in the RULES, and to twist them to suit your own fucked up agenda is out of order. You are scum, a blight, a cancer, and you should FUCK OFF.

Hitler did nothing wrong. You may want to pretend that you can now threaten and control speech based on your own fucked up monocular ideation, but simply saying that DOES NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

No I didn't, that one-hundred percent a lie. I specifically said that he'd only be banned if he advocated violence, and expressly said he could say he likes Hitler.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In response to your edit:

I never said you couldn't talk about it. All I said is that you can't advocate for violence.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

you need to fuck right off. /u/magnora7 built a site where we can say "hitler did nothing wrong", without a jumped up, deceitfull tranny mod banning people for wrong think. You disgust me. /u/d3rr, I hope you are also paying attention. Trannymods have no place in saidit.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I never said you can't say that, I said you can't advocate violence. I didn't write the rules, magnora and d3rr did.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

you jsut threatened to ban someone for saying they like hitler, then used the 'can't advocate violence' rule as your excuse.

Stop gaslighting

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

No I didn't, that one-hundred percent a lie. I specifically said that he'd only be banned if he advocated violence, and expressly said he could say he likes Hitler.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I will not ban you for saying that; I cannot speak for Magnora. I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so, so be wary of that.

I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so

I will not ban you for saying that; I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so

So, you won't ban people for saying they like hitler, but will charge them for advocating violence ....

what I said.

unless you meant to say:

I will not ban you for saying that. I cannot speak for Magnora. however,if you advocate for violence, i'll ban you, so be wary of that. I have a huge virtual penis and like to wave it about to establish my dominance

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I have a huge virtual penis and like to wave it about to establish my dominance

lol

[–]AnarchySpeach 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Just to clarify, (because I need something others can copy/paste later if they have to)

  • Saying he did nothing wrong is allowed.

  • Saying what he did should be repeated is not.

Is that what you mean? Or am I misunderstanding?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, but the second point is only true for violence.

[–]Node 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so, so be wary of that

I think this is how you kill a site like saidit. Both the prohibition of expressing ones opinion, and the threats by an admin.

Despite being one of the oldest accounts here (one of a handful of antiextreams.com users), I've spent most of recent years on free speech sites. So I can't say definitively that attacks on free speech here are the main reason saidit never gained users, but having to walk on eggshells when expressing oneself is generally not very popular.

However, I realize M7 made a rule against advocating certain 'types' of violence, so try to refrain when I'm here on saidit. (aside from that one drunk-posting episode...)

I remind that there was that recent incident where a saidit-user-who-shall-not-be-named-in-this-comment advocated for violence against pedophiles.

To be fair, M7 is one of the better site owners out there. If anyone is familiar with the contrasting styles of Puttitout versus AOU, M7s quirks are not 'terrible'. It is kind of disappointing that they've inhibited saidits growth to the extent they have.

(but actual free speech brings attacks from youknowwho that can make life difficult for a site owner)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

the prohibition of expressing ones opinion

I never said he couldn't say he likes Hitler, all I said was that he can't advocate violence, which is against the site rules I didn't write.

I realize M7 made a rule against advocating certain 'types' of violence, so try to refrain when I'm here on saidit.

Exactly. You can't advocate violence on SaidIt.

[–]soundsalad 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We are witnessing the elimination and distortion of free speech protections right before our eyes. You are very wrong.

Saying that you admire Hitler is NOT ADVOCATING FOR VIOLENCE.

Simply saying that you admire a person does not mean that you approve of everything they did in their life.

And saying you admire someone is not advocating for anything, period. It's saying that you admire a person. Nothing more.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We are witnessing the elimination and distortion of free speech protections right before our eyes. You are very wrong.

The last time I checked his comment wasn't removed, and he wasn't banned. You're just another astroturfer pretending like saying a lie enough times makes it true.

Saying that you admire Hitler is NOT ADVOCATING FOR VIOLENCE.

Strawman; I never said that.

Simply saying that you admire a person does not mean that you approve of everything they did in their life.

Above

[–]soundsalad 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yea bro I'm an astroturfer with a 10-year-old normal-as-fuck Reddit account under the same name.

Strawman; I never said that.

But you did say that anyone who says they admire Hitler will be penalized for "advocating for violence," right?

I will not ban you for saying that; I cannot speak for Magnora. I will, however, charge you for advocating violence if you do so, so be wary of that.

Stop gaslighting.

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    The sub is dedicated solely to breaking the rules. The only reason bobby made it was so they could call everyone retards and pick fights.

    [–]Node 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I'll just point out that many people are retards, but the "picking fights" part (if true) can be pretty annoying. I've just blocked several people on a different site because it blocks their garbage posts from my front page.

    It can be challenging to strike the right balance between allowing stupidity that comes with free speech, and turning into a censorious cunt. In the /s/retards case, I'd prefer offering a way to block some combination of:

    a sub

    a users posts

    a users comments

    a users private messages

    ... for people who are offended, or just 'don't want to see that shit'. I don't find the content of /s/retards appealing, but I'm okay with them wanting to name their poops. 🙄

    Thanks for making this discussion post, btw!

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'll just point out that many people are retards

    Yeah, but there are better ways to express than than just calling them a retard.

    but the "picking fights" part (if true) can be pretty annoying

    Yeah, there's been a few arguments over his posts. (albeit most of them where with me) The username mentions probably get a few people. They see "you're a retard" in their inbox, and it starts a fight — and that's the intention.

    Thanks for making this discussion post, btw!

    You're welcome. We really need to talk stuff out.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I like the post, "u/bobbobbybob for holding no unique ideas of his own"

    But yeah, it's just sour grapes, or "stinkin' thinkin'" (AA), not to mention only about attacks on people at Saidit. It's juvenile and contributes nothing of substance to the site, probably hurts people's feelings, is potentially destructive to the sense of 'community' (when or if it is popular), and as you note, it literally breaks the rules of Saidit. Leaving it where it is however confirms that Saidit is willing to let items this low in the pyramid of debate (and low IQ) remain. It's also a good place to locate the some of the negative nellies of the site, if one wants to see some of them in a group. I suppose I could create the opposite kind of sub, with lists of Saiditors who make interesting, informative or reasonable posts and comments, and refer to it as /s/SaneSaiditors or similar. Many of them are rarely here, so this might remind them that they're appreciated. (I collected the group by selecting +Friend when I read a post I liked.)

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          [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          I would argue with Muskrat about some of his most vital of personal views, and yet, here we both are telling you to slow your roll to a major degree, please. This is not a war. This is a website for discussion. There is a third side: innocent bystanders who see merit on both sides. Moderates, you know, the best kind of people.

          u/AmericanMuskrat and I were innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire of your shooting.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          You want me to slow down, and that's what I want, but he wants the entire site destroyed. He's no longer an innocent bystander, he opposes any kind of reform I propose, simply because I proposed it — and he opposes it not with truth, not with logic, but rather with lies created specifically to cause turmoil.

          I thought he'd at least try to be reasonable when trying to convince me of his views, but he's gone off the deep end with lxxxviii, loki88, mega16, specialsauces, bobbobbybob, and the others who seek the demise of SaidIt. I'm really disappointed, because I liked him.

          If he truly believed me leaving is the best for SaidIt: he wouldn't be concocting lies to those ends, now would he?

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          He went off the deep end because someone ((you)) were pushing him. Amelia, u/AmericanMuskrat and I are real men who do not get pushed around just because of "peaceful ways". Edit: I don't think he actualy went off the deep end, just what you consider to be the deep end. Some of us can swim safely in deeper waters than you, and that's why we think your admining needs replacing, or at least, needs work. You are too easy to upset, Amelia. Neither of us meant to upset you, but here you are, once upset with me, now upset with ol' Musk.

          [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          /u/magnora7

          TheAmeliaManiac has clearly jumped the shark, accusing anyone who does not agree with their neo-fascist purges as "wanting to destroy the site"

          Apparently, anyone who does not want to completely reform (ie destroy current state of) saidit is out to kill it, and only TheAmeliaManiac cares enough to save it by labelling and banning everyone who does not agree.

          I seriously hope you are ok, mate, but fuck. we need you back

          [–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          It's completely impossible for you to have banned 10% of the user base because only around 0.1% actually post anything.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          That's true, but I'm assuming he means active users.

          [–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          This is a Manufactured Crisis

          YOU MANUFACTURED IT you attention seeking faggot. I"m pretty certain you are LXXXVIII

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          You're one of his puppets.

          [–]369 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I actually agree with people saying this about u/AmericanMuskrat. It/He/She is pretty low-grade and smells like reddit tranny.
          Still think you're fucking up otherwise.

          What are we going to do, operate on consensus? Are your mod controls a democracy now?

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

          I just looked at his comments and saw no disinformation campaign. His comment was obviously an over-exaggeration due to the low amount of users here compared to our old haunts. He is not fostering division, and neither was I when I made my comment on LXXXVIII's recent post. We are simply making comments, Amelia, sometimes not to the best of our ability.

          He may have had a couple of shots, who knows. Give it some time.

          [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          TAM is the root core of all the drama. remove TAM from the picture and its just saidit doing its thing

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          The drama was started by people like you, specialsauces, and lxxxviii in order to destroy SaidIt. You're an astroturfer trying to become admin so you can destroy the website, and it's blatantly obvious.

          [–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          holy fuck. you are batshit.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          no u

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Yeah, I know he doesn't act right when he's drunk. I'm sure he'll come around eventually. Just wanted to let everyone know what he's saying is false.

          [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          the grand LIAR wants other people to know that his sockpuppet drama account is also a LIAR.

          inception all the way down

          [–]fschmidt 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/77i5/saidit_will_die_like_voat_an_incel_vouching_for/raqq

          What about this? He did not advocate violence.

          Just because I would like to wipe out about 90% of humanity doesn't mean that I advocate that anyone do this or that I actually intend to do it. Such distinctions are important.

          [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          I already settled the matter in that comment.

          1. I didn't ban him, Magnora did

          2. The listed reason was for advocating violence and sexualizing minors

          3. I have evidence that he did both of these, stop pretending he didn't

          [–]Node 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          advocating: to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly:

          Hmm. IMO, he's technically just saying what his belief is rather than than actually advocating. Despite using the word support instead of belief, he's not presenting an argument in that comment for others to adopt his beliefs. While that is a technical point, he doesn't appear to have technically crossed the line. But saying "mass murder" instead of "legally executed" was probably too much of a stroll beside the line for M7.

          As for the bit about "all girls above 11-12," banning might not be enough. While it might just be internet hyperbole, it makes you wonder if he has access to any in real life.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          he's technically just saying what his belief is rather than than actually advocating.

          That's still against the rules. I don't really agree with it, since it should be calls to violence, but it's the rule Magnora and d3rr made. People seem to think I have more power than I do.

          But saying "mass murder" instead of "legally executed" was probably too much of a stroll beside the line for M7.

          Mhm, the specific language is also pretty important to him.

          As for the bit about "all girls above 11-12," banning might not be enough.

          Mhm.

          it makes you wonder if he has access to any in real life.

          He said he was already in a relationship with a teenager, and that he was telling her he was only nineteen — which is not only illegal, but down-right evil.

          [–]specialsauces 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          few people really understand that the current administration's agenda is to genocide approx 90% of humanity.

          90% of humanity must go, and the current administration understands this.. they would prefer to use soft weapons, such as starvation, which leave less of a footprint on the earth, compared to nuclear weapons.

          our current resources simply will not support ten billion people, nine billion people gotta go.

          we have one small can of tuna and twenty people to feed, it aint gonna play out well.

          eighteen of you gotta go.

          [–]fschmidt 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          In my case it is much simpler. I just hate 90% of humanity because they are evil morons. Religion used to civilize average people somewhat, but religion is dying, so humanity is becoming scum.

          [–]Jesus 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

          The 'Americans' bot. Some of you have seen it, some haven't, but there's a robot that spams rants about the US. Since it's a robot, and has been banned hundreds — if not thousands — of times: it won't be getting a trial

          AMERICANS ARE SO BAT SHIT INSANE THEY WANT MORE FASCISM TO COMBAT COMMUNISM

          AMERICANS ARE SO CRAZY THEY WANT TO IMPRISON CHILDREN WHILE INCREASING IMMIGRATION.


          That bot is probably straight out of Tel Aviv.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Or some Russian troll farm.

          [–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          It sounds more like extreme left. Because some think that way.

          [–]AnarchySpeach 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

          I honestly think communism is slightly worse than fascism. Would prefer to have neither, but it's delusional that some people think America is some mega-fascist country. lol

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            You've chosen your side; I've chosen mine. You've entered into an alliance with our enemies, who seek nothing less than the total destruction of SaidIt — therefore, you are an enemy of SaidIt, and thus an enemy of mine, and an enemy of entire reform movement.

            [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            What the F is this kind of rhetoric? Jesus Christ.

            You're an admin. I've been a site admin before. You sit behind the scenes and clean up messes. If you do your job right nobody notices you're doing anything at all. Going hip-deep into site drama? Poorly done.

            "you are an enemy" Jesus who talks like that?

            [–]deleted 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

            Can we get a public list for any and all account's ban? Time, date, reasoning?

            [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

            That's what I want, but it's private, and magnora might not want me to publish it.

            [–]deleted 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

            magnora might not want me to publish it.

            Interesting. Any clue or argument as to why not to add the feature?

            [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

            I'd have to ask for his input. Make a post at s/gov and maybe we can discuss it!

            [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

            Holy fuck. /u/d3rr /u/magnora7

            tranny mods on power trips were the death of reddit. Are you really sure you want a little hitler like this RULING this site?

            ffs. If you are short of people, I can take on anti-spam and fire-damping duties and keep my own megalomaniac tendencies in check, but this is getting ridiculous.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            So your goal the whole time was just to replace me as admin?

            Go figure.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

            how could this be clownworld any other way

            [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

            is there light at the end of the tunnel, or are publics trials and a gaslighting führer the future of saidit?

            [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (50 children)

            Thanks, /u/TheAmeliaMay. I've not seen - on Reddit for example, for 14 years - an admin work in this thoughtful manner. I've not been here long, and my main interest here is to understand alternative approaches of Saiditors (and I argue on occasion). But one issue that concerns me the most is the way in which free speech has been extremely important to those who want to spread disinformation and misinformation. I agree they should have their free speech on Saidit, but how do we value truth and honesty in the pyramid of debate? Not much can be done about misinformation, because that is potentially unintended. But the kind of disinformation favored by some on Saidit, and then discussed as if the material is factual, is troublesome. This already develops in extreme ways on Parler, Gab, The_Donald, &c, and by contrast there are better people on Saidit (in my view). I would ask for one change:

            Ask mods to consider using a 'disinformation?' flair for posts that are obviously spreading lies.

            The disinformation post would remain, but with the flair visible, and the question mark in the flair is important. Not that this should be applied religiously. And mods would have the option not to flair posts with this. Another potential flair could be - 'hate-speech?' or similar. I think the 'disinformation?' and/or 'hate speech?' flair would not censor anything, while also contributing to the pyramid of debate, by pointing out that the post itself promotes a discourse that's already at the bottom of the pyramid (eg. no reasonable evidence, name calling, and/or potentially advocating violence). This would be a way of promoting the pyramid of debate without censoring. Users should be compelled to remain on Saidit if it promotes more of the pyramid of debate, and less of the disinformation.

            [–]fred_red_beans 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

            No. Bad idea.

            Who's going to be the arbitor of that "disinformation"? You? Fact checkers?

            [–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

            Who's going to be the arbitor of that "disinformation"? You? Fact checkers?

            Rough seas ahead.

            The beginning of the end? :-/

            [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

            in which free speech has been extremely important to those who want to spread disinformation and misinformation.

            That's jsut the PsyOp narrative. Conservative ZioCons will claim censorship whilst those censoring them are Zionists. Really they are after the normal person posting stuff that exposes Zionism. That was totally what the FED op riot was about. They are now trying hard to pass all kinds of domestic terrorist and laws making criticism of Israel a criminal offense.

            Nah, I think people should be able to make up their mind if somethign is disinfo or not. I'm still here and probably 3/4ths of the stuff posted on ALL is pro-ZIonsit disinfo but it is easy for me to see.

            [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            That's jsut the PsyOp narrative. Conservative ZioCons will claim censorship whilst those censoring them are Zionists.

            Yep. The most obvious example was when they sacrificed Alex Jones for toys PsyOp. AJ's a shill.

            I think people should be able to make up their mind if somethign is disinfo or not.

            The fundamental reason for free speech.

            Also, the reason education has been sabotaged, and propagandized.

            Free speech is hamstrung by an ignorant and uninformed/misinformed public.

            [–]Node 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            But wait, you are one of the main disseminators of leftist disinformation on saidit. How can you now be disclaiming it?

            Man, sometimes I don't know if you're really that brainwashed, or if you're just a really good troll. A point in your favor is that at least you don't live on the base of the pyramid like popper.

            [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Kek

            [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

            Thank you!

            But one issue that concerns me the most is the way in which free speech has been extremely important to those who want to spread disinformation and misinformation.

            Yes, that's a major issue. All we can do is call them out and explain why they're wrong — so long as they didn't use alt accounts to vote on their own posts.

            how do we value truth and honesty in the pyramid of debate?

            Lying doesn't constitute a violation in of itself, but most who lie violate it in some way.

            Ask mods to consider using a 'disinformation?' flair for posts that are obviously spreading lies.

            Mods can do that.

            Another potential flair could be - 'hate-speech?'

            I hate the phrase "hate-speech". It's a code-word used by the far-left to identify any opinion they disagree with. If someone's being uncivil: perhaps label them "uncivil" instead.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

            I agree 'uncivil' is much better.

            Perhaps instead of 'disinformation?', a mod could use 'misleading?' My main target for this is M7's politics sub, and I'll ask M7 in due course about considering a 'misleading?' flair (though I'm not keeping my hopes up).

            I suspect mods get a list of rules when they start or join a sub. Perhaps a note in those rules about 'flairing' posts (with whatever they like) might help, particularly with regard to developing the pyramid of debate.

            [–]Zapped 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

            Why do I feel like all this is a role-playing exercise?

            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I don't want no role-players; I want people to take this seriously.

            [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            ahhh, /s/retards should 100% be taken down. No point in keeping something that breaks the pyramid of debate.

            [–]Node 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

            That would eliminate Popper too. But is reddit levels of censorship really good for saidit?

            [–]AnarchySpeach 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            It isn't in the long term. On the other hand, subs like that are ticking clocks waiting to get removed...

            Calling the sub moderators retarded is against the rules

            and the hypocrisy really rubs me the wrong way.

            [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

            yet, the mod approves the posts that calls them a retard before banning the user, obeying the rules and allowing the hate to disperse.

            Just cause you don't understand something, doesn't mean you should ban it.... Its not on /s/all, after all

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I agree.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            Thanks for caring OP. Your exceptions are reasonable although of course "calls to violence" isn't always clear cut.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Thank you! Yeah, the whole violence thing was never clear.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            settle down

            [–]ReeferMadness 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            There should be a public trial sub. Then we can all look at the evidence and put our 2 cents in. Also, it will likely bring out more evidence as anyone can screenshot when they experience flagrant abuse which then gets deleted and post it at the trial.

            This will definitely go a long way to build confidence in the site and destroy the bullshiters who claim the bans are censorship. It will get rid of the he said she said bullshit.

            [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

            so no reddit downvotes, so instead have a marxist public trial space where people can gang up on others to get rid of those dissident voices?

            whatever.

            [–]carn0ld03 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            You might want to put a hold on new accounts too. Keep the spam and ad bots down until you've all caught up.

            [–]369 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

            Why have you given up on your ridiculous accusations about me, lady?
            Post links to my posts where I called someone a brainlet, post a link about how I suggested someone also visit other sites as well to see what they also offer (which, I'm assuming at this point you'll inevitably frame as me "sowing doubt about the integrity of this website" or something absurd), post the links to me suggesting the Reddit model has a shelf life, in which I (for you, pretty embarrassingly) also compliment magnora's job so far.

            What else do you have?
            We'll inevitably conclude that I got heated in some exchanges and called people swine for "choking on pearls", since you've already set precedent for retracting these assertions.

            Let's see what other "evidence" you have against me.
            I don't see where you can go with this beyond "you're apart of some conspiracy with that ironleft thing I totally know all about".
            Come on, I'm salivating here and I don't appreciate you suddenly going silent after making huge accusations which are entirely unfounded.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

            I haven't made charges against you, other than that you're working for the enemy.

            [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Then why do you comment? Why do you not flee back to 4chan? The answer is simple: your goal is to divide the user-base and ultimately destroy SaidIt — this has become apparent; you have allied yourself with the enemy.

              [–]specialsauces 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

              Two issues:

              1) wear short skirts and 2) let your weiner hang out.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              That's one issue, not two.

              edit: it's now two