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[–]cryptEX 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

Glad your safe.

[–]magnora7[S] 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Thank you. It was dicey there for a bit. Now we are in the recovery and rebuilding phases

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Do you mean Saidit, or Texas? Either way, I hope the recovery brings peace, and the rebuilding brings stability.

[–]magnora7[S] 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Mainly Texas but also saidit somewhat, it's all related. I am feeling good about the future despite all the hardship. "Hard times makes strong men" as they say

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Indeed. I've had a fucked up month too, but at least my back pain is finally getting better and I've been able to think again - just in time to learn about my Dad passing from "COVID". Regardless I'm more determined to resist than ever in bold new ways. There's no hurry to look over my grandiose posts as I'll be referencing them again. Sooner or later I hope you might consider sharing some feedback as they develop.

[–]magnora7[S] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I'm sorry for your loss. It's been a rough month on top of a rough year.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Thanks, though I didn't personally lose much. Ironically 2020 was my best year since 2007. I'm hoping 2021 will be better - and productive.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

2020 was also a very good year for me, but that is because I saw a lot of this shit coming back in 2018. 2021 will indeed be better.... and more productive, I hope :)

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Me too. Despite me never buying into 9/11 and that new normal, I just never imagined they'd be so well coordinated while completely stupid and bumbling in their full spectrum dominance. I guess it's not how it's done so much as that it gets done.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"I guess that it's not how it's done so much as that it gets done."

I also did not realize that it would look exactly as it does now, I was shocked at a couple of things here and there (such as the BLM riots in answer to the anti-lockdown protests). The psychopathic mind is a hard one to track with, especially if you avoid their psychotic delusions with a ten-foot pole like I do. To fully understand it, you must be able to put yourself in their delusional reality, and this is dangerous for most people, myself included. My better nature is easy to obfuscate, and my lesser nature is easy to sway.

[–]solder0 9 insightful - 10 fun9 insightful - 9 fun10 insightful - 10 fun -  (1 child)

hand cuffs your wrist to a radiator

Well you ain't goin' anywhere no mo! :) Seriously, welcome back magnora7!

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Haha, glad to be back :)

[–]Chipit 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Welcome back, man. We missed you. That Amelia lady was a fucking nut. Instead of staying in the background like a good admin should, xe waded hip-deep into site drama. Whoa, that's a big no-no.

Yeah, it's fucking disturbing the lengths the Reddit Hate Brigade will go to disrupt and demoralize the site. But remember, this is their job now. The hard left is awash with cash and they're putting their people everywhere. They're literally paid shills. I saw some on the other day and was shocked. Usually their comment section is a dumpster fire but good for a few insensitive laughs. Then I see what can only be a Reddit Hate Brigader posting talking points straight out of the handbook. You can tell them right away because who else defends SJWs?

[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know that I didn't help by calling his BS, but yep, tam lost perspective fast. Glad to have him doing spam and bot work, though. Very grateful

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the drama was kinda bad, but for the record their removals were good choices. They got embroiled in public fights and debates though, that should be walked away from. I had to learn this lesson the hard way, over years, so I'm not surprised Amelia got tripped up by it on their first week. Because their whole goal is to make the admins flip out publicly like that, and they'll do anything to produce that reaction.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was some kind of "war" years ago on the local Craigslist Rants & Raves section. It appeared that there was a group from a specific city posting insults and garbage to other cities' forums and cluttering up discussions. I always wondered why people enjoyed doing this and thought maybe the attack on this site was similar until learning more M7's comments.

[–]HibikiBlack 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Glad to see you are back Magnora. The fight always brings mayhem. I hope you haven't exhausted all your resources yet.

[–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Nope, if anything that was a nice vacation and I'm replenished :)

Thanks for all your wonderful content both on here and on reddit!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

Some dude briefly made it to the top of the "Hot" section of the site.

I guess he was looking for a job, or something...

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Was he 6’5 or something? Possibly enjoys Cher? Think I heard about that..

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Was he 6’5 or something?

Could be? I didn't get a good look.

[–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Welcome back.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)


[–]ReeferMadness 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

Just out of curiosity does the power situation make sense to you? I find it extremely suspicious that the state can handle the AC load but not heater loads. Do you guys not use gas to heat your homes?

[–]magnora7[S] 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

It's because the power stations froze. Power generation was down like 35GW from normal at the peak, because several coal plants froze (their water cooling lines were not insulated), and same happened with a nuclear power plant, and also a lot of wind turbines were not winterized. Literally 1/3 of all texas power generation was offline at the worst of it. Some natural gas lines froze too, apparently. It was really bad. Pipes are not insulated down here because it never is below freezing for longer than a few hours, but it was below freezing for like 5 days straight during this storm, and it really messed up a LOT of water pipes

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I can understand problems with civilian pipes, but it seems irresponsible that all power be so vulnerable. Any chance any of this was more than just an accident?

[–]magnora7[S] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

There's some talk a computer hack may have been involved. But really it's just that the regulations didn't require it. There were recommendations to fix it after a similar thing happened in 1989 and 2011, but the recommendations to winterize were not followed because there were not penalties for not doing so. That seems to be the core issue

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

In the USSR there was something that happened to a power plant because the parts were made cheaply and without thought for the most extreme of situations. Chernobyl.

Funny how the extremes of corporate capitalism and state communism end up boiling down to similar things: you get fucked up because they want to do it cheaply or easily, and frankly it's mostly good enough.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I'm really glad the Texas nuclear plant that had to shut down due to frozen cooling lines, didn't meltdown.

This whole week has felt very USSR to me. Empty grocery stores, no utilities... I was seriously beginning to consider burning furniture to keep warm. But now there's so much glue and plastic in furniture it would probably be toxic

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for this - and welcome back! - as it's not mentioned much by the MSM and in social media, which tends to focus on what happened rather than why it happened (or that Ted was MIA, or fundraising by AOC & Beto, or emergency aid, which are all worth noting, but Texans should discuss the history and potential solutions for this). Or as Jon Stewart used to refer to the MSM as like a reaction to spotting a squirrel, as a segue to anything ( I hope that the discussion of potential penalties/regulations for State fiduciary irresponsibilities will continue, and that Texans will not forget this, as if if were an MSM discussion of a squirrel.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Millions of Texans are PISSED. I would imagine some serious change will be coming. It's possible everyone will forget and move on if they can delay long enough, but this really seriously wrecked a lot of people's lives, and that won't be forgotten

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the Jon Stewart clip too, I miss him. I wonder why he doesn't have a podcast, he could rival Joe Rogan if he started his own. Probably has a gag order as part of his severance from comedy central, I'd bet. Probably also burned out as hell. But I miss his moderate yet intelligent opinions, everything's too polarized now. It's nice to see him make appearances on other shows occasionally though

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for that perfect clear nutshell to remove my woo.

[–]Akali 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

From what I've heard, the cooling pipe of multiple electricity power plant froze and they couldn't cool down the powerplant so they had to reduce the production to avoid overheating.

Altought this might be an isolated case so it's to be taken with grains of salt.

[–]Zapped 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (42 children)

Good to see you back and active.

Do you have the time to look at the timing of the attacks, like every 3 months or after a newsworthy event? Have you tried to put together a pattern of when the posts or comments are made, like between the hours of 10am and 2am EST? Do the same accounts interact with each other in the comment sections more often than other accounts? Do some of the accounts that interact but have different "personalities" use the similar language or phrases?

I'm sure you're way ahead of this, but I'm curious to what you find out, when and if you feel its ok to disclose what you find. I would like to reaffirm what you said about not interacting with those accounts. It only feeds them what they are hungry for.

[–]magnora7[S] 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (41 children)

Glad to see you too. The pattern of when they are around seems to be pretty random. I do notice they spend about a few hours on saidit, and then will go away for that day and come back the next day at some random time. I see this over and over, for literally 20-30 days in a row, each day burning through about 5-20 accounts, some months old, depending on how much traction they got that day. There will be a few months of this, then a month or two off. Then back on again. For 3 years now.

I have lots of various patterns to recognize them by, but I don't want to say too much about that or else they'll hide those patterns and then my job will become even more difficult. But I will say they also post garbage spam from many accounts like "Samsung router drivers" links while they do these cultural attacks. And the "Americans" comment bot will suddenly spring to life at the same time as well, sometimes itself making 3 accounts a day, like today. So it's a multi-faceted approach, using many accounts, diluting the quality in many ways simultaneously. I used to think it was just ad bots (which it is sometimes) but I've noticed lately that the volume of ad posts flares up dramatically always at the exact same days as we get cultural attacks too, so I've begun to realize they're related. Someone just wants to turn this site to a trash heap by filling it with various types of garbage and seems to be being paid to do it given their tenacity. And that troll farm probably has a list of 10-20 forums they hit and cycle through, which is why they'll hit this one heavy for a few hours, go away to another site, and then come back the next day.

I mean if you think about it, if reddit can destroy all its competition by paying a couple people $12/hr, why wouldn't they? Or if China can destroy places of free discussion by paying some random college students to poison the well of discussion and never get caught, why wouldn't they? There's lots of groups out there who could be doing this, but whoever it is, it's become pretty clear it's a very purposeful campaign. One with focus, tenacity over literally years, and a lot of developed complex strategies they cycle through like a playbook. This also implies money is involved to me.

As much as I hate it, it seems to be the most reasonable explanation given what I've seen across the last 3 years. And this exact thing is affecting a lot of forums. It's destroying and souring the culture of the internet and everyone can see it, which has non-internet cultural repercussions too. I hope those people feel ashamed about what they're doing, but I'm not sure they're capable of shame. Which is why they're such a great fit for the job of destroying human culture. If he were alive, I wonder what Aaron Swartz would say about this type of cultural attack, because it certainly is the attack style of the new decade.

Basically it seems DDOS attacks to take down websites are old hat, cultural attacks are the new way. If the culture is destroyed, and no one will go there because it's so hostile and alienating, then what use is the forum? This is so much harder to defend against than a DDOS attack. In fact I would say weakness to this style of attack may be the main reason why so many reddit alternatives have failed.

Anyway, it's true that the best strategy is still not to feed the trolls. Just report the comment or post, and PM me if you think you've spotted one. Thanks!

[–]deleted 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)


Yes! I'm sure many of us would! Do you think that spreading copyrighted media and growing piracy is part of their plan as well? You mentioned it as a poison and I could definitely see it as such a tool.

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

First you need to consider what "copyright" and "piracy" really mean within their full spectrum dominance. NO ONE ever gets on to MSM without being "acceptable" and conformist. No matter how talented you are you'll never be a star without close Jewish, military, or intelligence connections, usually family. They only promote themselves and their manufactured consumer and authoritarian propaganda content. We are forced to consume their culture yet not allowed to embrace it as our own, nor to make our own independent culture without it being stomped on.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

DMCA is a huge attack vector. Also, freer sites attract "illegal" steaming providers/links, for like sports events, which seems to be a hugely contentious issue.

[–]deleted 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

hugely contentious issue

This right here. It is kinda crazy how these services can continue to exist. Do you think that laws need to be rewritten or that the public is in the wrong and should change? I know that it's kind of a charged question, but I feel that everyone needs to be asking themselves this.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The official DMCA process is basically guilty until proven innocent, so it rubs me wrong. The larger questions are over my pay grade. No victim, no crime, and fuck the Feds.

[–]Seahorse 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

This is very interesting.

I wonder who's at the heart of this!

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It is interesting, but I think it's going to become increasingly widespread. I believe soon almost every government and major corporation will soon have hired internet shill groups. They call it "native advertising", and it's becoming the norm because of how well it works compared to traditional advertising and propaganda. I know this is something Monsanto has done for at least a decade. It's also known both Democrats and Republicans do this too with ShareBlue and Cambridge Analytica.

Soon it will be every organization, and the internet will be a complete mess because of it. Especially with GPT-3 commenting AI getting so good, it's becoming easier to automate human-like responses on platforms like saidit and reddit. One person can act as 100 low-IQ people simultaneously by using these bots. They can create an intelligent crowd of people that all have the same bias. It's enough to overwhelm a forum, and when it becomes very close to human-like responses it can be hard to administrate because you can't differentiate the bots from the real people, and this is taken advantage of by the attackers.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Very interesting. Something that's kept me at Saidit is that I think most of us agree that Big Corp and special interest groups of the 1% (internationally) are actively damaging any small group or business that can impact their market share. Many on Saidit disagree with me about the specific approaches of the 1% to glean everything from the 99%, but there seems to be a general agreement that this is endemic in US political culture (and in India, Brasil, Russia, Turkey, the Philippines, the UK, etc., etc.). You note the other forums that were attacked, and I would argue that some of the attacks can be from some of the small/developing forums, which receive funding from politically motivated donors.

One interesting development with the cultural attacks is how familiar they are with Saidit, and how they tried use our interests against us. This I see in the broader context online, whereby strategies are to divide people by having them argue over misinformation, disinformation, facts, science &c.

On another note, the attackers actively went after /u/TheAmeliaMay, and this person handled it very well (under the circumstances), but one very disturbing issue here is that Amelia did not deserve the personal attacks from the Saidit community, and some of these people were also foolled by the attackers. I know from personal experience that one has to have a thick skin to remain at Saidit. I hope /u/TheAmeliaMay will engage with us again soon, and will know that there are those of us here who are very grateful for Amelia's support and engagement.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

One interesting development with the cultural attacks is how familiar they are with Saidit, and how they tried use our interests against us.

For instance, when we set up saidit, within the first week someone had used an automated script to register over 1000 usernames. They already had the API script set up because we're built the same way as reddit. They just pointed the script toward our site and stole a lot of people's usernames from reddit, so they couldn't register the same names on saidit.

These people know what they're doing.

I agree, Amelia handled it well given the circumstances. I think Amelia is taking a break but will probably be back, they just need to take a breather after all the craziness from the attack, which I totally understand! It's upsetting to see some people on saidit fall for the attack tricks, but that's why those tricks are used, because people do still fall for it. That's why education and discussion about these topics is so important. In theory, if we understand how the tricks work completely, the tricks no longer work on us. So all of us have to learn all of the tricks. It's a lot to ask, but the whole global internet culture has to mature in this way for things to move forward, I believe. We have to see the tricks for what they are, and learn not to react emotionally to those intentionally trying to provoke us.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Holy Mackerel. I remember Redditors bragging about their scripts for vote, account and post management years ago, when Aaron Swartz was also briefly engaged, and thereafter. But I've not seen these discussions for many years. (As you probably know, everything changed at Reddit during Digg's first major blackout, and their kiddos created Reddit accounts. I can't remember when that was.)

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Digg exodus to reddit was in 2010. The technology has gotten better and better for infiltrating forums, I have no idea how Aaron would deal with this. Also there weren't really long-term large-scale paid shill groups when Aaron was around, imo they've become a prominent thing in just the last 10 years or so

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

The pattern of when they are around seems to be pretty random

I live on the east coast... I’ve noticed they hit every morning, between 5-7 am EST and upvote with socks, it (or they) are the first posts of the day everyone sees. They post when SaidIt activity is at its lowest it seems.

For the past week, every morning when I wake and check SaidIt, a fresh thread is there with no comments yet (or just a couple).

But I will say they also post garbage spam from many accounts like "Samsung router drivers" links

& Cher! Can’t 4get about Cher!

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

This all gives me new ideas to improve saidit as a forum.

I notice that these posters are mainly focussed on the main subs.

Would it help to have new accounts automatically placed into "quarantine"?
Or accounts that are "suspicious".
The moderators and admin could approve their posts and replies. Or approve them to the sub.
In the case of suspected manipulators, we could even mark them as "sus".
The idea is that they can see themselves. And sus people can see each other as well, that way groups of manipulators (or different accounts), do not know that they are hidden.
The moderators are still able to make them visible in their subs, though.
The system is not meant as censorship, but as a way to make attacks on saidit more difficult and time consuming.

I also noticed that some subs were taken out of /all, while they often have good information.
Many now leak through to /news or /politics
Like: /s/Coronavirus /s/VaccineSkepticism /s/ClimateSkeptics
The censored information is often what needs to be seen and/or discussed.
And the wrong information that is now mainstream is even causing victims and destructive politics.


  1. From /r/ClimateSkeptics we can see that some scientists were already warning about weather changes.
    Due to the solar cycles, the solar forcing /solar particle forcing can change the weather and climate completely.
    Snow in Mexico and in Spain were already some warnings.

  2. From /s/CoronaVirus and /s/NoNewNormal we can see that masks and lockdowns do not work. But the major problem is not the virus, it is the PCR tests that give 95% or more false positives. And the totalitarian politics that does not listen to science.

  3. From /s/VaccineSkepticism we see that the mRNA treatment (vaccine?) against the corona virus is based on the same PCR tests, and could be a complete lie. The British Medical Journal shows that the mRNA-treatment at best, only gives 19% improvement.
    In the mean time, the adverse reactions to the treatment cause strong fevers (50%), and many other problems. And could be blamed for many deaths in the elderly-care. International lawyer Feullmich calls this "playing Russian Roulette", which could be punished as homicide.

For me the website is great for discussing these controversial and important topics.
And I would like to see more of these type of discussions being active on the website.

It would also be handy to move posts to the subs that are best suited.
Like move the recent post about vaccine-deaths to /r/VaccineSkepticism
If it is too hard, make it like a crosspost.

Many other ideas to improve the forum:
1. Redesigning the forum with Keywords, where the top-keyword determines where it gets posted.
2. Besides NSFW, we have more flags to signal NSFL, violence, hate, prank, stupidity.
3. And maybe also the opposite: Love, friendship, fun, happy.
4. Posts can be linked with each other via link-replies (replies only contains a linked text) to add related videos/mirrors or discussions.
5. Some more icons to upvote a post or comment, one choice, and each is only plus one point.
The list only has to show the best voted icon(s).
So you have "bulb of insight", "smile of fun","tears of laughter","heart of love","sad face of bad news","kiss of encouragement", "flame of controversial" or "cloud of confusion". With some extra programming a sub can have some special icons (meant as fun).
Here is an example of such icons on NewTube.

I also see that JasonCarswell has some ideas about improving the forum

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

Would it help to have new accounts automatically placed into "quarantine"?

Or accounts that are "suspicious".

No, because limiting user engagement from the start will inhibit growth of the site. And more importantly, the attackers often use aged accounts. They registered literally thousands of accounts many months ago. That cat is out of the bag, as far as saidit goes. So account age is not a reliable indicator for anything most of the time unfortunately.

In the case of suspected manipulators, we could even mark them as "sus".

Any manipulation marking system like this will be hijacked by the manipulators. They literally have hundreds of accounts. So they will mark people they don't like as 'sus' and the whole system will be immediately broken and maliciously hijacked.

Voat had a similar failure. They had a "protectvoat" group that was to maintain the quality of the site. That group got hijacked by attackers. They then used the power of that group to silence any normal conversation, and silence new users. This is what caused voat to become the mess it was.

I like some of your other ideas, I like that you are thinking about these problems, because they are very tough problems indeed. The voting buttons thing might be cool, but at some point there is too many buttons. I think 4-5 is the max number of buttons. And from a software perspective, adding another button would be a huge huge deal, because the whole database is written around there being exactly 2 voting options. To add a 3rd button to the saidit/reddit code, it would probably be a 100-200 hour project. And I wish that was an exaggeration.

Anyway, keep thinking... I personally think the core problem is that it's too easy to register usernames. A lot of the core issues come down to the fact one person can easily use a bot to make 1000s of accounts, and with a VPN and fake IP addresses, there is basically no way to connect those accounts as being owned by the same person. So there needs to be a way to keep it closer to 1 account per human. Most sites accomplish this now with phone numbers, or connecting through facebook, or something like that. I have thought perhaps we could do it in a way where the person has to write a 5-sentence essay on 1 of 100 topics, like "Why does war exist?" or "What's the purpose of language?" and then we see how intelligent and grammatical their responses are. This would be much harder to automate, but with GPT-3 bots getting good now even that might not be enough. And of course this would all have to be on a new site, because like I said the cat is out of the bag with saidit username registrations

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

Thanks for this insight. And already people were fearing that some admins were hijacking reddit.

Connecting via phone-numbers can be hijacked via click-farms. But can block some activists.

Reddit uses DRM to identify browsers, which could be helpful to ID the user at registration.
You can also run a system-analysis (network-test, speed-test, mem-test, screen-size, browser-version) to see if registrations are very similar.

As a fun note, I thought of more controversial questions at the registration:
"Who really started WW1?" "What department was destroyed at the Pentagon at 9/11?"
"How fast flies a swallow?"
"What makes frog change their sex?"
"How bad is sugar for your health?"
"What makes facebook addictive?"
"What states reported voting fraud, and how much?"
"Who pays fact-checkers?"
"Why does laughing gas make a person fall asleep?"
It would be fun to have an extreme long list of questions.
And researching some of the answers would make people realize that there is more going on.
Why not use the questions to help convince attackers to stop?

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

You can also run a system-analysis (network-test, speed-test, mem-test, screen-size, browser-version) to see if registrations are very similar

Yes I have done this. They spoof their IP, spoof their browser and even spoof the version number of the browser. It's constantly changing for all of them with every comment and post it's a new browser, new IP, new everything, basically randomized. They've really got it down to a science. Although perhaps the randomness itself is a giveaway...

Thanks for your questions, good ideas. We just need something that is easy to do once, but very hard to do 100 times. Another option would be to have them pay $1 in some cryptocurrency to register an account. This would mean they'd have to pay me to attack the site, which upsets their whole method that is based on being able to register unlimited accounts. But it would obviously deter some real users too. But that might be a cost worth paying.

Why not use the questions to help convince attackers to stop?

Lol you might as well try telling wet paint not to dry. Not worth the effort, trust me. Plus if one does wake up and quit, they just replace that person, so this doesn't actually mitigate the attack.

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

it's a new browser, new IP, new everything, basically randomized. They've really got it down to a science. Although perhaps the randomness itself is a giveaway...

Sounds like very organized. Maybe even military.
Certainly a well worked out procedure.
Maybe they also have 1000s of facebook /google accounts.

Speed of a calculation also randomized? (javascript/wasm) Might be harder. Also some data may be cached if they did not clear it (like site icon).

[–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (16 children)

Yeah I agree it's very organized. It's known JIDF has done this sort of thing for a while, could be them. I've had run-ins with them before. They stole one of my subreddits long ago fraudulently through the redditrequest system and literally put up a JIDF flag on the sidebar after they stole it. That was like 6 years ago. Then when I started calling those people out, the reddit admins immediately banned my account for something I did 3 months prior...

This is the subreddit (which was intended to be a backup/alternate sub for /r/undelete):

They also have a wiki article:

So this has been a problem for a while. Usually it was just an edge case thing though, or trolls playing around, but now it's a serious problem that affects almost all sizable forums. Our current attacks could be JIDF, could be Chinese, could be US, could be Russian, could be all 4, could be something else. Who knows. I would say JIDF and China both probably do not like some of the things posted on saidit, so they would have motive. But I really have no idea. Could just be a crazy guy in his basement who works for hire off craigslist paid by some random person that just doesn't like saidit for some reason. But it seems pretty well coordinated, especially if you include the DDOS attacks (which are STILL ongoing, like every 3rd day for literally years) so I'd guess it's at least a 3-4 person organization.

Also the DDOS attacks still occur even though they're obviously not successful, which indicates to me someone just has an automated DDOS attack botnet on a rotating schedule.

Speed of a calculation also randomized?

Cool idea but each page is always completely custom so there's no baseline metric to judge against because the filesize is always different

Also some data may be cached if they did not clear it (like site icon).

Perhaps, I'm not sure how to detect this in a way that would be useful though

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

It sounds like JI DF to me.

With calculation I mean something like a complicated physics calculation.
In both JS and WASM.
You can also render something to the screen with JS to test the speed of their graphics.
You can combine the speed-check with a word-check (captcha). You render a noisy image of a moving&rotating word, while spheres and other objects move in the image. Easy for humans. Very hard even for AI trained for exactly this.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Perhaps a new idea: Make our own captcha with a 3x3 or 5x5 grid or whatever. Those 9 or 25 squares each have an image with one optical illusion or visual puzzle that has to be selected by a human.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

fancy shit. does anyone have these moving captchas in use today?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm surprised to hear you thinking tribaly like that. Sure Zionist are at the top, but really it's about speaking truth to all power, regardless of national origin or their minions.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Who watches the watchers?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good stuff. Like minds. I updated my "Fairness And Justice" with a little hierarchy table listing the admins > advisors (high trust) > citizenry (regulars) > fray (new & rare) > unruly (banned). I didn't mention it there, but had to d3rr and others that a colour coding system (ie. red yellow green) could easily indicate a user's status. Status gets no special privileges other than recognizing they're not unknown. (All of my ideas would go much better with illustrations.) Just as I look for red names from my /s/friends list, I could also avoid reading the fray. I was also thinking about being able to turn them on and off, and have some new ideas for the block function, but that's another story.

All of this is fascinating. If I were into woo I'd say the Universe is lining up for me. As my foggy ideas about Next-Gen Forums condense to crystallize it's good to be exposed to the problems of today to also imagine defensive strategies of tomorrow.

Why would /s/Coronavirus /s/VaccineSkepticism /s/ClimateSkeptics not be in /s/all?! How did you notice this?

I agree, moving posts would be nice. I think you typoed a couple times with /r/ instead of /s/.

Keywords = metatags. I've been asking for that since I arrived. My MetaVote system would replace the need for votes, metatags, NSFW, etc etc etc. ALL of it could be simplified while also deepened - and sooooo much more. Potentially very flexible and customizable, including icons. Also important but not centrally critical: word clouds.

[–]wendolynne 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

glad you are ok. Did your house get any water damage?

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

Thanks. A little tiny bit of water damage, but it was mostly in a garage wall so hopefully repairs won't be too bad. I'm just worried about how long it's going to take... it could be weeks, because hundreds of thousands are having the exact same problem. I never before thought about repairman shortages in big cities if everyone has the exact same damage. Hopefully bottled water is more easily available soon too. I had to go borrow water from a friend because the grocery stores had none. I ended up ordering water online! lol

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

What part of the pipe burst? Depending on where it was, it might be pretty easy to fix yourself. Sharkbites are a godsend.

As far as your garage, I don't know how your garage is laid out (concrete, carpeting, if it just hit the baseboards or it went up the drywall, etc.)

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Yeah I thought about giving it a try, but I have to dig up a section of the pipe I think, as well as cut out a section of sheetrock. The sharkbites might be a good idea, thanks for that.

I had some rugs in the garage and use it as a workshop, the rugs all got all wet. But that was my only real damage thankfully. There's probably some damage inside the wall too, but I might just let it go since it's just a garage exterior wall and the drywall in there is already a mess. Also I think it only leaked for an hour or so before we shut it off, and 98% of the water didn't go in the wall, just sprayed in to the sideyard. So hopefully maybe it'll be not a big deal. Maybe I will start cutting some drywall and see where the copper meets the PVC and just take the PVC off or cut it down to a short undamaged part. Also the PVC pipe coming out of the ground from the buried mains line completely shattered so I'm not sure how far I need to cut back on the PVC pipe and dig down before it's reliable again, or should I dig up the whole pipe back to the mains connection? Seems like I have to decide a quick fix vs a good fix... might have to settle on the quick fix for now because plumbers and parts are in ridiculously high demand. I think if I could get clean ends on my PVC pipes (where it's not fractured) I could do it. I'm just not sure how far I'll have to go in each direction before the pipe isn't brittle and fractured anymore.

[–]Comatoast 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

To be honest, you should probably cut all the way to the main and replace it where you can with PEX. It's more flexible. Invest in an oscillating multitool. When you're putting the copper back, make sure you wrap it in pipe insulation.

As far as the drywall, stud finders will be your saving grace. At least in my experience,it's easiest to cut at the studs, that way you've got a good anchoring point instead of just trying to ugly-putty it back on there and have it fall through with so much as a fart. Once you've got the square back in, you can put drywall mesh over the seam spots and just do a putty/sand cycle until it looks fine. I would definitely check anything that got wet though,especially if you guys didn't have a dehumidifier and fans running down there the whole time. The rugs are probably fine, just pressure wash, then rent a rug doctor and shampoo the shit out of them.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

To be honest, you should probably cut all the way to the main and replace it where you can with PEX

Oh can I bury PEX? Should I buy insulated PEX so when it comes out of the ground and goes in to the side of the garage, it won't freeze like this again?

Invest in an oscillating multitool.

What for?

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I just got a temperature camera so I can see heat leaks and fix the insulation.

I also have to find 5/8" drywall for the garage, and transport it to my house, and one sheet of drywall doesn't fit in my vehicle. But that's a problem for after the plumbing is fixed, haha

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

These two should be helpful, but you might want to look through other videos too.

The oscillating multitool can cut metal, drywall, wood, whatever. They're a godsend for anyone doing home repair or even hobby stuff.

If you can rent a small uhaul, or maybe just a trailer for the day that might help with the transport. Kinda spendy for just doing that, but it's an easy option if you don't know anyone with a pickup truck.

[–]Zapped 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I second getting a multi-tool as part of your basic home tool collection. You can even get a cheap one ($19) from Harbor Freight if you're a weekend warrior.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! I will research this stuff some more, I appreciate it.

[–]Zapped 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

PEX expands without bursting if the water freezes inside it. You can bury it directly, but most plumbers around here will sleeve it in a larger piece of PEX to protect it against roots, rocks, and future digging. I think that may be a code requirement, too. Plus, if it does leak, the water will travel inside the sleeve instead of filling the ground soil, so you know it's leaking before you get a $300 water bill. The only time I've seen PEX cause problems is when certain well water corrodes the metal fittings.

Sharkbites are great, but are more expensive then regular fittings. You can get a PEX tool pretty cheap now and it's easy to figure out how to use. You can order everything you need from Amazon.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

my main line is just polybuteline, survives -15C frosts quite happily, uninsulated. I leave the tap at the end of the line dripping over the worst winter months, as moving water brings fresh energy and slows down freezing. you can get waterproof drywall too. its called aqualine down here in NZ. Might be worth it in your outdoorsy places, as we are due for a lot more cold in the future.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks for the info. This my first time dealing with pipes freezing, it's just not a thing down here. Learned a lot of mistakes I won't be making again.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I've lived in the cold regions, and doubt you need to dig up much of your broken water line. I believe you said it just popped where it exited the ground and went into your house?

You should be fine just digging down a foot or so to a clean and unbroken section of pipe, and replacing it with more pvc. A split section of straight pipe should probably be replaced back past the the next fitting, as the split may travel further than visible. So this may mean digging up and replacing the elbow underground where the pipe goes vertical and emerges from the ground.

Do some research on the advantages and disadvantages of PEX before deciding to use that.

They're pretty likely to fix the 'loss of power generation' issues after this mess, so in potential future freezes you could cover or wrap your exposed piping with a blanket or tarp with a low wattage 'real' lightbulb, or leave the water trickling that night.

Good to have you back. Hope you brought some of that freeze with you to apply to the trolls and shills.

Edit: I now live on the coast where it never freezes, except that one time back in the early 90s... Checked on a friends house who was away, and it turns out water lines went to the kitchen though the ceiling. I could hear the water when I opened my car door. Water was pouring out around the front door. Imagine what happens when a whole ceiling/attic gets filled with water from a wide open incoming water line. It was an amazing sight.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe you said it just popped where it exited the ground and went into your house?

Yeah just like a 3' segment above ground and outside the house is what broke off.

You should be fine just digging down a foot or so to a clean and unbroken section of pipe, and replacing it with more pvc. A split section of straight pipe should probably be replaced back past the the next fitting, as the split may travel further than visible

Thanks, that makes sense. It has several straight PVC cuffs along the pipe that comes up from the ground. There's a shutoff valve on that pipe, so maybe I can cut it just after that to get a fresh section and a good unfractured cut.

so in potential future freezes you could cover or wrap your exposed piping with a blanket or tarp with a low wattage 'real' lightbulb, or leave the water trickling that night.

Yeah definitely going to take these things very seriously for the rest of my life after this event. I just didn't even know my mains was exposed like that, I thought that pipe was just a separate line to have a hose hookup for that side of the yard.

Thanks for the advice! And yeah I'm extremely glad this didn't break over the house itself and flood the house. That would've been a nightmare, especially with the power out for days and it below zero

[–]wendolynne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Water pipes and related hardware will be impossible to get. Might have to have someone deliver from Oklahoma or Louisiana.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I'm thinking about just ordering on amazon. I had an amazon package delivered 2 days ago. It'd probably be the fastest way to get pipe hardware. The future is weird. I don't have water but I'm ordering water supplies from the other side of the nation

[–]deleted 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Regarding the wave the last few weeks, what do you think about a transparent list of banned accounts? I mentioned this in Amelia's post as a suggestion and just wanted to reach out for your opinion on the matter? I realize it might put a tremendous amount of stress on the 'executioner' as Amelia put it, but I believe that it could grant us a net gain. Open to hear other suggestions and why I'm wrong :P

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're spot on. I just posted this and this reflecting on it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)


[–]killerjavi98 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

These people attacking Saidit must be sociopaths going to such lengths like this.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They really are, it's kind of disturbing. Just had about a dozen more accounts involved today.

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[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you're safe and hope you find some kind of normalcy soon.

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I did notice the mod swapping, but kept my mouth shut because drama is bad. Glad to see you doing better and that there are users willing to step up a bit. I don't get the attack stuff, but yes being paid makes sense.

Anything the average user can do besides flag spam? We don't have much information on this, although I'm not sure how much should be made public considering how directed the attacks are.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Magneton is in da house!

Sometimes forming close relationships with admins through PMs with the purpose of influencing them

So this is why you don’t talk as much in PM’s anymore.. My lil heart... it’s ok.. it isn’t personal.. 😢

lmao, welcome back, you’re right, you need to keep users at a professional arm’s-length, especially if their motives feel off. I’m glad you’re doing ok, I can’t imagine what your past week was like.. this shit pissed me off lol:

Tim Boyd said, “The City and County…owes you NOTHING.”

The mayor of the west Texas town of Colorado City resigned after posting a Facebook (Evilbook) post Tuesday in which he refused to help people deal with the snowstorm. Tim Boyd said they were weak for asking for water and electricity.

“No one owes you or your family anything; nor is it the local government’s responsibility to support you during trying times like this!” Tim Boyd wrote, “Sink or swim, it’s your choice! The City and County, along with power providers or any other service owes you NOTHING!”

“If you don’t have electricity you step up and come up with a game plan to keep your family warm and safe. If you have no water you deal without and think outside of the box to survive and supply water to your family,” Tim Boyd wrote. “Only the strong will survive and the weak will parish.”

I know he’s right, but tell us how you really feel bruv. Thinking about all those innocent children and babies, their families unexpectedly hit with a snow storm with snow that burns and doesn’t melt properly, and that’s your response to your tax paying people’s?

I’m glad you’re riding everything out, good to have you back!

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

weak will parish.”

Lol it's "perish". Guy goes to church I assume, he should know the difference between perish and parish.

Not surprised though. Kind of ready to move out of Texas tbh, there so much greed and short-sightedness here. It's seriously like 99% of people have no aspirations beyond how much money they want to make this year.

Anyway, glad to be back!

[–]Exconduckducktor 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

ahhh thought something weird was going on with content. Really appreciate your summaries to help understand what is going on with this site. Im from NZ and we had siiliar attacks over here but to put into word what i have learnt here to explain what is happening to other targets is difficult. If everyone was more aware of the nature of the propaganda war i probaly wouldnt have to bare so many idiots. Thanks magnora for your work and sorry to hear about your circumstances. and on a side note wheres the thread making connections between "the long dark winter" quotes made by biden and trump, wheres my rabbit hole!

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Glad my summaries are useful, I want to keep people informed about what is happening while avoiding stirring up more drama. Tough line to walk. I agree there needs to be more awareness about the propaganda war and the forms that it takes. People don't realize they're butting up against it almost every day, it's very prolific right now, and very few realize just how bad it is.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Glad to hear you are safe, and thank god you are back

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

no need to quit Amelia, don't worry too much about it

[–]RuckFeddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good that you're safe.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's a good thing you got safe out of this. If I understand correctly, there still isn't tap water available? The worst has passed, but this can be a problem if it goes on for long. If plumbers aren't able to keep up with the demand for weeks, then a quick solution might be a good idea till a permanent and more professional solution becomes available, especially if leaking water erodes existing structures.

Those cyberattacks weren't that important in the long term. I believe most of the users here are aware of the methods employed by those who are annoyed by the existence of alternatives to reddit. Amelia did get a bit emotional but I think the attackers didn't accomplish much besides amusing us with their silly posts, so they got into all this trouble for nothing.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes there is tap water, but the pipe going from the mains in to my house broke during the freeze. Today I turned the main on and filled some buckets from the broken pipe to flush my toilets. Good times, lol

[–]scrubking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Snow + candle + metal cup = fresh water

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brutal snow pill

[–]mongre 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Welcome back. Sorry you had to deal with that shit.

[–]spinell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Glad to have magnora back and that he survived the ordeal. And Miss AmeliaMay dont fret, I understand that you felt a bit overwhelmed and cornered. Just take a little paus and then comeback.

[–]CarlDung 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Godspeed! I'm glad to hear your doing great.