this is my experience of Saidit these days.

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[–]magnora7 25 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 6 fun -  (67 children)

Would you rather I let shills take over saidit?

Would you rather we hide those deletions from you?

Neither of those are good options. So we have the system we have.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

i'd prefer if you just let the iron left have their sub, let them be users like everyone else and dialed back on the control. because it isn't working

edit: removed reply to fred_red_beans response below, by iron left, which i found by browsing to their username https://saidit.net/user/__Oldsmobile_88__

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Anti-Censorship Repost Counter: 7 They have a sub.

Except we don't, retard.

Yes, /s/ironleft exists. But we don't have it.

We are not allowed to interact with SaidIt regularly, including our own sub, at all. ANYTHING we post ANYWHERE, regardless of what it is, gets removed.

magnora7 posts a classic Sesame Street clip. We do, too. Ours gets removed as "obvious spam."

And the reason why we "had to be taken off of /all" was provably made-up BULLSHIT.

GTFO you bleeding TOOL. lol I don't even...

p.s.: lol Made you edit your comment to "reply" to my comment you keep removing. If you weren't such a pathetic coward, you could just reply to my comment like a normal person. 😅

And no: you're confusing cause and effect. The "drama" and Astroturfing® are a DIRECT RESULT (not the cause) of magnora7's mishandling of the Iron LEFT -- as others have also pointed out by now. Do your homework, dumdum. If you're that easily mislead to confuse cause and effect, putting you into ANY position of authority is a tragedy.

[–]fred_red_beans 12 insightful - 9 fun12 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 9 fun -  (34 children)

They have a sub. It's not on s/all. So what?

They don't like it, go to some other site, or they can make their own. This site's code is open source and freely available.

edit: This 88 user keeps making alt accounts and replying.

Keep in mind these are the people that keep voting spam to the top of the page and keep trying to cause drama and division on saidit. That in of itself is good enough reason to ban them and ask that they leave saidit.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

oh wow. you [removed] every single post of oldmobile_88 when he was engaged in a conversation in this submission, explaining what happened. Something i'm sure many of us are keen to read

[–]fred_red_beans 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

No, I'm not interested in seeing his drama bullshit on this site.

It's divisive and disruptive.

You want to have a conversation with the user, go do it somewhaere else.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Remove the user, don't remove the content. People will obviously see it's lame but at least there won't be the mystery of potential abuses.

[–]fred_red_beans 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

If it's not removed, then the site will be filled with spam divisive content

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Ban the user, stop them posting. Don't remove the content.

Build an admin-only universal [-] collapse function or something.

Add a new "spam vote" so people could label the crap. Make all the "spam votes" 100% public so you can see who your accusers are in case of abuse. A rule of no "spam vote" abuse should keep it down or get the abusers banned too.

There's no limit to ideas, alternatives, and solutions, but M7 won't even discuss it.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Then they make a new user account.

They've made literally hundreds.

Why are you advocating for people who are intentionally destroying this website?

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

They're gonna do it anyway. Grow up, grow a pair, and work around them. ASK the community for ideas. I just came up with more today that I shared with Fred.

Why are you advocating for people who are intentionally destroying this website?

MORE bullshit spin.

I am NOT advocating for them at all. BAN THE FUCKERS.

I AM advocating for not censoring content. THEN we can see if you are making any mistakes. You are not flawless.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's divisive and disruptive.

many would say that the admin actions are far more divisive and disruptive.

that's the problem with power. it corrupts, and suddenly you are not moderating a site for other people, but to suit yourself

[–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

awww :(

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

see

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

You will never be a woman like u/comatoast

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Same general physiological processes. Anyone might be envious of my soul crippling ADHD though.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They've broken hundreds of rules, and suddenly we're supposed to give them a free pass? NO

What's the point of having rules if we just let people ignore them whenever they like?

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

they didn't break the rules until you banned them for no good reason. We've seen their side of the argument now, at it seems clear that a simple misunderstanding blew up into ridiculous overreach. You claim they put their site back on s/all repeatedly after you told them not to. they say the did it before you spoke to them about it, as an innocent act of confusion.

I'm betting other people were involved in this, talking to you and feeding you bad information. If i'm wrong, tell me.

maybe you could try getting off your high horse and backing down. Do you want to be the authoritarian dictator, crushing the site in your grip, or do you want your creation to run free?

What's the point of having rules if we just let people ignore them whenever they like?

I agree, rules are good. but when you go full fascist on people when there was confusion, maybe there was a miscarriage of justice. I know Chipit is feeding nonsense about coordinated state attacks, but its daft as anything. I don't know why they are fighting so hard, but my experience is that saidit was the last best place left on the internet. Maybe they had a dream, too.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If i'm wrong, tell me.

the silence is deafening

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    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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      [–]CarlDung 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      /biz/ is getting bombarded atm by detrimental nonsense, the establishment is up to something

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      they are tanking the global economy, to help bring int he great reset. Did you see when then shoved that penis drawing tanker, running with clinton's callsign, into the side of the Suez Canal? 10%+ of world trade, fucked in a minute. Food shortages, plastic resin shortages. its going to cause chaos.

      Crashing and burning the stock market is part of it too

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      I'm in position to profit from a stock market crash. I am thinking now is a good time since the 1.9T stimulus checks have gone out, now is the time to hammer the little guy who wants to take advantage of "stonks only go up". What's your take?

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Crashing the stock market is next on the WEF list, then UBI. i figure that now is a good time to get into debt (low interest rates, massive inflation) and invest in silver/gold

      I can't bring myself to hammer the little guy.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      No, I mean - and I apologize for the bad turn of phrase, English isn't my first language - THEY should see this as the right time to hammer the little guy... I'll just ride the evil of their greed and try to make some good happen out of what I'll make from that.

      Yeah I'm already on bitcoin, gold and silver, as well as mining cryptos. I even added some put options recently on the SPY (S&P 500 "mini" ETF), so I'm sort of hoping it will happen soon. It's gonna happen anyway and it will be worse than 1929.

      We'll see.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      We'll see.

      forewarned is forearmed. Are you well out of cities, have solar, water and seeds?

      [–]Akali 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

      I'm not sure if it's hard to code, but how about a Quaranteen sub where all the ''removed'' get stored in.

      so if someone want to know what was remove they just go on s/Quaranteen and then realise it was a spam? It could stop all the drama.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Good idea too!

      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It's possible, but it's a lot of work to make a sub literally no one will look at. All removed things are already listed in the mod log for each sub

      [–]BillionDollarEgg3 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

      why is porno harassment filth and homosexual pornography getting upvoted to the front page, the spammers are all over this place now

      [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It's called an attack. This forum is being attacked constantly, don't you know that by now?

      [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

      Why hide anything?

      Just leave it ALL and ban the poster. (Except for porn and violence.)

      And of course we'll hold you accountable when you make mistakes.

      Open, fair, accountable.

      [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Why should a few users be able to make hundreds of accounts to spam literal nonsense to drown out everyone else? There's no reason that's a good idea. You sound like you just want shills to destroy this forum. Not happening. Try your shit elsewhere.

      [–]ballooon 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      There's the issue with alts unfortunately.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      Leave them. How much worse is their nonsense to [removed] and all they mystery they may contain?

      Even better: "[-] collapse" them too. Or colour indicate which accounts have been banned. Scarlett Letter.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      When it's 4/5 of all comments on the website, that's not easy to ignore and does a lot of damage.

      They have to be removed for this forum not to be taken over and drown out all other voices. Why do you repeatedly advocate for the hijacking of this forum?

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      This is the kind of information that only an admin has. Carswell isn't wrong in that your management APPEARS more heavy handed and clumsy than it should be, but that is from the point of view of a normal user.

      I know you're doing what you feel is the best for the site, but obviously we don't see everything you see and thus, we can't judge your decision process or actions. That's what back seat driving is. Sorry Jason but that's what you are doing.

      So while I agree that more openness and accountability would be ideal, there are limits to what can be done. How many hours a day should M7 be coding and how many hours managing/administering? Delegating? Sure, but who wants this job? I'm glad Fred accepted a position and I'm sure his contribution will help a lot, but no system is ever perfect, and things always appear much simpler than they actually are, when you don't have all the information.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      the logs suggest that far less is removed than is claimed. I'm not seeing 10 actions per day per sub, and that's minimal admin effort.

      Many of us offered to help, and were ignored. This is m7's bed.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Wow if you offered to help and got turned down, then I am just appalled at M7's decision making.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      Why do you repeatedly advocate for the hijacking of this forum?

      100% BULLSHIT.

      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      You do, though. You've got multiple posts saying I shouldn't remove what the shills post. So you're advocating this forum be hijacked, as well as openly breaking rules and then being upset at me for enforcing the rules instead of apologizing so you can stay with the community.

      [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Wouldn't mind having that great original reddit tool that use to be on every reddit page and in your prefs. ie.. the ability to hide all posts/comments below "0" or any other user chosen vote number.

      In my opinion, those were the good old days of the reddit/digg model, but unfortunately I haven't seen any of the competition bringing it back.

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        [–]fred_red_beans 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

        add ban

        Just spam and iron left cry babies though

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

        the problem with categorizing everything you don't like as 'iron left' is that it creates an unsafe environment for others to freely post in. We have a number of users trying to turn everyone they don't like into 'enemys', apparently funded by china and israel. It is ridiculous.

        and then posts that are not spam get shoah'd

        [–]fred_red_beans 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

        Categorizing everything I don't like as 'iron left'? What are you talking about, are you serious?

        I'm referring to the daily 'posts to the front' and the vote manipulation by the iron left morons.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        not really directed at you, tbh.

        [–]Airbus320 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

        Ironleft deserved it for being morons. Magnora did the right thing

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        you are a moron, but here you are....

        If we were to ban morons, 90% of the users should be gone.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

        I'd debate that but some moron blocked me and won't be able to see to respond.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        maybe stop telling about your shit and your cock and I'll not block you again

        [–]Aimee_Chanellor 5 insightful - 8 fun5 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

        [removed]???

        Hey! That's my line!

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Look what the cartoon cat dragged in. (Seems you're here to stay, homie. Thought you would be removed. Welcome aboard. Don't stand too close to the railing.)

        [–]Aimee_Chanellor 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

        Don't stand too close to the railing.

        What do you mean?

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

        Welcome aboard. (eg. ship)

        Saiditors can be pushy.

        [–]AugustiJade 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

        Saiditors, better than Pedditors.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        ha!

        Holy mackerel...

        [–]Aimee_Chanellor 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        Saiditors can be pushy.

        What? You mean like frotteurists?

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        Um - yeah - more or less.

        [–]Node 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

        [deleted]

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

        did you remove it, or did typing [deleted] delete it?

        [–]Node 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

        Thought I waited long enough to get a [deleted] after deleting the whole thing, but it must not work that way. So I just replaced it. lol

        [–]deleted 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Lol

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        NSFW

        [–]SubliminalCriminal 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        [poop]

        [–]Cass 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        wth is the iron left?

        [–]Zapped 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

        My opinion is LARP'ers. Trolls (or one troll with lots of free time) trying to be clever using sarcasm and irony to voice their opinions. Or paid shills trying to wreck the site culture and suppress certain views, pushing them down the front page by vote brigading tech related posts, spam, and the ironleft babble.

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Or paid shills trying to wreck the site culture

        this is the line the liberal shit stirrers keep pushing, to justify silencing of unwanted voices. What is our site culture? debate. yet now now debate is allowed and [removed] is the norm

        [–]Zapped 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

        Unwanted voices or disruptive voices? Do you agree that this person or group is being disruptive now, no matter where it began? Why would they spend so much time and energy to take over the site? I believe a sane person would not act this way unless there is a job to do. So, in my opinion, it's either someone with mental or emotional issues or it's a paid job. I like to hear a broad spectrum opinions and views, too, but I don't like to see users here be intimidated or bullied like this person or group has been doing.

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          [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          i'm not really sure, but according to the admin group, it is dead set on destroying site culture, evidentially by baiting said admin group into betraying their own principles!

          [–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

          Complaining is pointless. This site is run by modern scum, and all modern scum hate free speech, so nothing will ever change here. If you want free speech, you have to develop your own platform.

          [–][deleted]  (4 children)

          [removed]

            [–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

            When life gives you lemons, grow whatever fruit your prefer instead.

            If you depend on an enemy platform, you will lose. Trump on Twitter, for example.

            [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              Free speech online means one thing: CESSPOOL.

              If you have free speech, you will have >90% ads and spam. Simple as that.

              Because see, back when the West had true free speech, we also had MORALS. But the scum that want to use free speech against those who just want to, you know, speak freely, DO NOT have morals.

              This leaves us with moderated speech as a best case of any usable discussion medium.

              [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              ad and spam removal is fine. JC's recent post got [removed]. not sure why, it certainly wasn't spam although it may not have painted the current site culture in a good light

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                [–]ArcturianDeathTrap 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7k9o/saidits_free_speech_is_under_attack_from_the_new/

                [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                i timed that to get enough traction that it would cause a lot more fuss if it got [removed]

                [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                ok, so i found some recently [removed] content.

                and it is damning

                quote:

                [–]Oldsmobile_88 4 insightful - 1 fun - 15 hours ago Keep in mind /s/fascism wasn't hidden from /all until they started banning people for having the wrong opinion.

                First off, by contrast, /s/ironleft have never banned anyone, and they were removed from /all tacitly, which is extraordinary by itself. We only later learned about this when we kept re-activating the /all option, assuming it's a bug (why else would we be able to just re-activate it?)

                Then Queen Maggie VII contacted us, informing us that this was an official penalty, threatening to ban us (in her very first message to us), citing for "justification" for all of this the made-up bullshit reason that we had supposedly been removing posts/comments repeatedly, from multiple users.

                So we asked for receipts, because we were aware of only 1 single post removal, which was removed for SPAMMING THE FRONT-PAGE (take a wild guess who had posted it 😉 -- no, it wasn't us, dumdum 🙄).

                So Queen Maggie VII asked to postpone the matter by 24 hrs in order to "look into it." Which means she had not actually done so before she took /s/ironleft off of /all.

                And lo and behold: after 26 hrs, Queen Maggie VII got back to us. NO MENTION OF THE MADE-UP ACCUSATION. Instead, she changed her "justification" to now being... one of the mods having the wrong user name.

                No, I am not kidding you.

                So when we confronted Queen Maggie VII with her bullshit, she banned us.

                I'm sure you can fill in the rest.

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                [–]Oldsmobile_88 3 insightful - 1 fun - 18 hours ago At least here you can make your own sub

                Actually, we can't.

                Sure, they let us create /s/ironleft... but then they quickly "corrected their mistake":

                We can no longer normally create any subs (i.e., without the level of hiding and secrecy that might allow us to create it on reddit as well). Another sub we had already created but set on private was taken from us. We cannot effectively moderate our existing sub. So sure, we could "make it"... and then what? We came here from voat, not from reddit. So... maybe try less assumptions and more knowledge/inquiry?

                [–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                /u/americanmuskrat and /u/diogenesjunior and /u/fschmidt

                this is some of the content that fred_red_beans [censored] from this submission.

                fits my experience of the actions of m7 around that time, which seemed crazy. I wonder how much chipit and tam had to do with the mess.

                amazing that my post about [removed] content became FULL of [removed] content.

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                You know, for nazis, those guys can kinda be dicks sometimes. Just yesterday they did their heil hitler 88 upvote thing with porn. It doesn't make me super sympathetic.

                [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                The LXXX/MoronLeft are proven manipulators and liars. Their words are NOT reliable.

                As powermods they censored one of my good faith Jimmy Dore posts in their allegedly progressive sub.

                Despite them being obvious asstrolls, they have a couple legit issues, not exclusive to them or their alleged cause.

                Yes, an open inquiry would be nice, and it would easily prove they're not worthy of remaining on SaidIt.

                The lack of fair, open, and accountable social management systems on SaidIt are indeed a problem. The behaviour of LXXX is NOT the solution. I'm not even certain my behaviour is and get about equal amounts of support and criticism from friends, others, and boot-lickers. I'm certain M7 doing nothing is not a solution either.

                [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                sorry, didn't see your post until today, had blocked you for all the shit/sex content you kept throwing at me

                [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (48 children)

                At least here you can make your own sub, unlike on reddit where the admins and powermods work together to prevent any subs that aren't run by them from having any growth.

                [–]BillionDollarEgg3 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                a smut porno homosexual spammer called 'HotDogHooker' has spammed up saidit

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                  [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (45 children)

                  What exactly did they do to /s/ironleft? Most subs are hidden from /s/all, probably because they're things that an average viewer does not want to see. And yes that includes politics for sure. /s/ironleft is not unique in this regard.

                  I'm not really sure what you mean by you can't effectively moderate your sub. And the private sub probably would've been taken if it had been abandoned.

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                    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

                    Keep in mind /s/fascism wasn't hidden from /all until they started banning people for having the wrong opinion.

                    That policy probably wasn't introduced until then.

                    The rest of this sounds pretty elaborate but I still don't exactly trust a communist sub to tell the truth.

                    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                    No there are problems with the admin too. Some subs deserve to be locked and some don't. There is no community consulting on much of anything. We'll never be able to know about most of it.

                    [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                    Unfortunately very very very very very few people are open to that, even within our freeze peach circles. Humans have a primal desire to control things and outrank as many others as possible. And especially when they're at the top, they cannot understand the possibility of themselves being wrong. That means even the most well meaning of people will always be right and anyone else shouldn't be listened to because they're always wrong unless they agree.

                    What makes matters worse is that sometimes there is also a natural idolization of the leaders among the masses. Think about king worship in ancient times, or the modern equivalent of everyone copying the few popular elites. Or Trump worship, Kim Jong Un worship, identity politics, Democratic media. Eventually those people become part of their own identity and it's practically impossible for them to see any wrong in what those people are doing. This doesn't seem to be a problem here but it has taken hold over at ruqqus.

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                        [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

                        Yeah, I figured there was more to the story. Mods are not allowed to censor things they don't like unless they take the sub off of /s/all. You got banned because you kept changing it back to appearing on /s/all even though a condition of being on /s/all is that you don't do that. When the admins took your sub off of /s/all for you, you kept putting it back on and that's what got you banned.

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                          [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

                          Then what were you banned for?

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                            [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                            For much more than that and you know it.

                            I talk back. I'm not banned. (Yet. And not planning on it. But not shutting up either.)

                            [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

                            And how do you know that?

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