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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'm down to add a few more subs to the 'default subs' list since it hasn't been updated in like a year. Especially something covid related. I like your list for adding actually OP: /s/911Truth, /s/ClimateSkepticism, /s/Coronavirus, /s/CorruptScience, /s/LockdownSkepticism, /s/VaccineInjuries, /s/VaccineSkepticism

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for being open to updating/upgrading. I really wish I/we'd thought of this sooner.

I don't want to bother you with this just yet, so maybe we want to wait until all the feedback comes in. We may want to take another survey on Monday afternoon for the weekday folks. However, if it's really easy to do now, then go for it.

I can compile a giant list (or a few lists or tables ranked by my subjective priority) for your consideration and/or folks to weigh in on. This need not be all about me, but a seed to catalyze discussion may be necessary. It might also be worth drafting up some other lists as multisubs: "NSFW" (with images) and "Unsuitable Concepts" (controversial words only). We can wait and see or you can ask me to fetch.

[–]thefirststone 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Browsing /all/new is every user's duty, so he can catch interesting news and insouciant spam. Always has been. Simple as.

Diligent users already see the "all" tab. Either they ignore it or they use it. There is a strong argument that /all/new should be a logged-in user's default front page. After all, you can bookmark other pages, if you prefer to see that.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

As d3rr stated:

the default "home page" will never be /s/all. This takes away the very little editorial power that saidit has, in choosing the "default subs" for /s/subscribed. This is where saidit can present itself as not full of /s/debatealtright or something similar.

And I agreed:

I'm not suggesting that be changed. I just want more user awareness about their options and that a deeper SaidIt is possible. IMO this is important to the new and occasional visitors who may be looking for more but don't know the ins and outs. We could add something to the FAQ.

It seems to me that we need to discuss:

  • new FAQ information related to this post
  • new default subs
  • resigning some default subs
  • which subs are "problematic" but worth knowing about
  • making lists of subs, perhaps around topics (and sharing them in /s/DiscoverSaidIt)
  • how we want to organize subs and topical information on Cassy projects

[–]skeech 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

jason carswell,

you are making this announcement because i had to spoon feed you and argue with you that this is even an issue.

management does not like to address its shortcomings.

this is why i would not write code behind you.

it would be like spoon feeding children.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Actually, I'm expanding on and repeating my previous announcement.

As I stated, I already knew about the issues. Thank you for pushing back and making me notice they are interrelated.

It doesn't negate the fact that your 3 posts belonged in /s/VaccineInjuries because there are doubtless going to be hundreds, thousands, and perhaps millions more and we don't need them all clogging up /s/news and /s/whatever.

It doesn't negate the fact that most of the SaidIt core users follow /s/All or have All selected in their preferences for the front page.

It also doesn't negate the need for better organization on SaidIt in the topical subs for lack of metatags. Future researchers will value the cumulative effort we put in now.

We can lobby d3rr to make some changes to the default subs. Here's an outdated big list of many of the best subs, IMO: /s/Surveillance/wiki/index#wiki_list_of_potentially_topically_related_saidit_subs Let's discuss them and others now. Also, bring up topics you like and we may already have a sub for it, or some that are related. Perhaps you want to moderate some. Talk it out.

I'm not management, but I do try to lead by example. Sometimes I get misunderstood and sometimes I just fail. Always I try.

this is why i would not write code behind you.

I'm not asking you to write code behind me, under me, or for me. You're unpredictable, volatile, and I suspect you're not too dependable. Regardless, in September we'll be discussing and outlining some ideas for the Cassandra Team projects and you are free to consider them and if you want to do anything for them, lead a solo project, or pick holes in our efforts and shit all over them. Criticism can be valuable too - but it's usually better when constructive. You can prejudge them before you even see them - or when the time comes you may volunteer as you see fit. Eventually we hope to develop a code-bounty system that will payout cash or crypto upon delivery. These projects are not for me. These projects are for our SaidIt and the expanding truth-seeker communities.

[–]skeech 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not management, but I do try to lead by example

you are management material. I have worked under many phd management people, and you have the necessary ingredients to walk on that level. you dont get emotional, that is most important..

no, i am not interested to write code for saidit.. i will admit that i am a loose cannon and i am unpredictable and i am not the most dependable person on the block.. but hey, writing code at the level that i write code has nothing to do with being at my desk at 8am and leaving at 5pm on schedule daily, lol.. dependable on my level is about drinking forty gallons of coffee and smoking four ounces of weed and playing some AC/DC real loud and getting this shit done FIRST FIRST CLASS.

but i dont wanna work for you... i wanna work for me.. my site is going to be so ultra simple that at first you will swear that it isnt even a social media site.. lol..

i just cracked my knuckles.

burp..

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I've directed animation, live-action, and many creative projects - cooperatively. I despise authority almost as much as I loathe lies, so I avoid it or taking it at all costs - even at my own detriment. I don't get emotional much online, though I am passionate. In person I often don't have the time or focus to not be as emotional. Also, I'm not consistent / reliable / timely on many fronts. I want to be, but not enough to create the good habits necessary.

I don't want you to work for me. I hope you might consider some stuff in September (or later if I'm not timely), and then choose to take them on for your own reasons - or choose not to, as you like.

[–]skeech 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

in a nutshell, you need to do a ground-up from scratch rebuild..

the first thing that you want to do in designing a web application is focus on laying out the tables of the mysql database, and drawing up mockups of the various pages of the site.

the mysql tables should be able to store the relevant information that is required to render the various pages that you have mocked up..

rough draft mockups can first be made up with a marking pen or with a crayon..

final mockups should be developed as actual html and these static pages should be delivered to your development team along with the mysql database tables and sample queries.

i am a big fan of developing web applications using C language(gcc compiler) on a nice tight and thin linux box.

number one, maybe we want to shitcan that cloudflare nonsense and we would want to handle any of that functionality directly inside of our custom developed web server software.

the web server would be VERY stripped down and simplified and would also be the actual web application.

no more apache server.

web server and web application would all be wrapped up into one application that would bind to port 80.

very nice documentation about how to write a web server in C language for linux:

http://www.beej.us/guide/bgnet/html/

(i have at one time read every character of the above linked document from beej, i read it character by character... i know the entire thing by memory, or at least i did)

i do not take shortcuts.

also, it is so easy to have the site be rendered on the clearnet AND the darkweb using the same code.

video: brain research laboratory

https://youtu.be/8On7rktFZME

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you dont get emotional,

Unless socks is involved.

[–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Editorial discretion is for normies who don't log in, tbh. Weak argument.

But I agree on the other stuff. I'd like to have a way to see all the "problematic" subs in one place, in fact.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Editorial discretion is for normies who don't log in, tbh. Weak argument.

I agree, but I respect the M7D3 founding concepts for SaidIt. /s/Cassy will be different and have an open process - but it won't be wild chaos either.

I'd like to have a way to see all the "problematic" subs in one place, in fact.

That is a terrific idea!!! It might be worth having at least two of them though. "NSFW" and "Unsuitable Concepts" (I do not like to /s/WatchPeopleDie, but there aren't words I need to avoid.) I stopped categorizing SaidIt subs a couple years ago (long story) so you can ignore the bottom majority of this wiki post, but the top is important about MultiSubs that combine multiple subs into one feed. There are Linked-Multisubs and User-Multisubs like the many I've created in /u/JasonCarswell, in the sidebox listed below the subs I moderate. You can copy my user-multisubs to your own user's profile where you can then customize them - or you can just start your own lists.

Here's one linked-multisub off the top of my head:
/s/911Truth+ClimateSkepticism+Coronavirus+CorruptScience+DebateAltRight+LockdownSkepticism+VaccineInjuries+VaccineSkepticism

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I do not like to /s/WatchPeopleDie

There is some potential advantage found there for people who wish to continue living.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not suggesting it be censored. I'm just differentiating the controversial content. Perhaps there are other differences we should consider too that I haven't thought of.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Isn't /s/debatealtright hidden unless you're a subscriber? Much like /s/lbgdropthet ?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The mods choose if they want to be on /s/All or not or are private.

Typo: /s/lbgdropthet
IFIFY: /s/LGBDropTheT
I checked if I was subbed or not.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah but I thought some were removed.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. Why would it be?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

insouciant spam

s/all/comments is a great place to catch spam comments. Those often lead to other spammer accounts, as it's common for them to interact.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I do this already, and I still miss stuff.

[–]Fisuxcel 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I dont like the default subs. Imo if I join reddit like forums it should not automatically subscribe to anything.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The default used to auto-subscribe new users to all subs. But the subs were chaos without management. Worse, new subs are being created all the time and people were/are not aware of them, much less not auto-subscribed to them. I don't know if they consulted the community when they picked their preferred list, or consulted the community when they decided to implement it. I understood their decision but was never for it.

Many times I've considered doing regular announcements covering the latest subs. They wouldn't need to be by any schedule, as long as subs weren't unfairly omitted. There are many other things like this that might be good for SaidIt as a community. Many of them could be auto-generated too, with a coder or few.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Same. Maybe offer me a list and show me metrics but don't force me into subscription.

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    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Now try s/all/comments to view by activity level.

    There's also a 'notall', but I've forgotten the link for that view.

    [–]dissidentrhetoric 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    The Default should just represent the most popular subreddits i think.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    How do you measure popularity? Some are much older than others. Some already have the special privilege of access to the front page. Some are popular but not public and some are not allowed to be public for their controversies.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    some are not allowed to be public for their controversies.

    I'd like an s/all and s/all/comments that's genuinely ALL subs. Maybe excepting those that really want to be a private conversation.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed.

    Needs a good new term. Libre? Open? Free? AllPlus?

    Or maybe current "All" needs a downgrade to make room for the genuine all (except private)?

    Subscribed / Most / All ?

    I feel like we discussed this a couple years ago.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Easy, number of posts, votes and comments.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Easy, number of posts, votes and comments.

    What's the magic ratio equation, and how does the sub's age factor in? And who's going to write a script to tally all this up?

    What if there's an important topic that doesn't get a lot of traffic? ie. /s/Fulfillment and /s/WellBeing are new and /s/Cooperatives and /s/FLOSS I have sadly neglected, but IMO it's critical. Obviously I created those but there are many others like them by others that could and should also be included.

    [–]dissidentrhetoric 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I would have thought daily hits or something like that or maybe total subs.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    sucks having to unsubscribe to everything every time I make a new name. Probably annoying to new people trying to figure out how to do that. Best to keep things simple, let people start subbing to things they're interested in.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Knowing is half the battle.
    Many newbs and casual users don't know all the tricks, like subbing, much less how to find their subs of interest - especially when they have unusual names.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    anyone coming here will have been to reddit and will know how it works. Find subs thru all and thru searching for them, and anyone on the internet knows how to use a search bar.

    so we'll just auto subscribe everyone to everything basically, even obscure ones with unusual names. Those making such subs probably know their sub will be hard to find and maybe they want it that way.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    anyone coming here will have been to reddit and will know how it works.

    You assume too much. I didn't come from Reddit, and I know of others too. Now I'm trying to bring folks from Facebook, and other realms here.

    Find subs thru all and thru searching for them, and anyone on the internet knows how to use a search bar.

    Do you know what the last batch of subs I made are? Most folks don't unless they are brought to their attention. Old-Reddit/SaidIt search is for shit, and so is DuckDuckGo, etc. Until there's a good search here you can't rely on it.

    so we'll just auto subscribe everyone to everything basically,

    That's how it first was, but even then once you had an account it didn't automatically subscribe you to all the new ones.

    Those making such [obscure] subs probably know their sub will be hard to find and maybe they want it that way.

    And for those of us who try to make clear topical subs, what then?

    You're arguing to be argumentative.

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Yep I was aware of this and I think the saidit admin was probably compromised since the beginning to make sure it was never really going to be a threat to the US deep state control of social media. Probably that d3rr guy.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Yep I was aware of this and I think the saidit admin was probably compromised since the beginning to make sure it was never really going to be a threat to the US deep state control of social media. Probably that d3rr guy.

    I don't think so. I think it's just inept management.

    Originally it started that you were automatically subscribed to all of the subs that existed. The catch was that for all the new subs that were created thereafter you had to self-subscribe instead of automatically be added.

    Then because they thought it was too much, too many subs, overwhelming, or whatever, magnora7 (and d3rr) decided to create a "select" list of default subs and have people automatically have those when making a new account. They didn't ask the people which subs they wanted to include on the "default list". It was decided for us.

    SaidIt is not remotely as open as it could be.

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Yeah the default list was too big. They should have started with 20 general purpose subs and let it grow organically but it seemed to me whoever was setting it up knew what they were doing but they implemented everything in such a way that it would fail to grow.

    -1 app notifications don't work. Those notifications are critical for anyone trying to grow a community. When every other social media is yelling hey, come back, people are replying to you, what happens to the one that stays silent?

    -2 Search doesn't work. What is the point of posting about a topic when once it slid down the new posts list it is buried forever with not even a search to find it?

    -3 upload to imgur doesnt work.

    -4 Much of the time the thumbnail image doesnt work.

    You could message d3rr about any of that and he made it clear he was quite happy with it as it is even though the number of users was rapidly dwindling.

    There was so much they could have done to make saidit better than reddit. They could have done hashtags like twitter. They could have allowed embedded images and videos in posts like telegram and twitter. They could have introduced encrypted direct messaging. They could have added a mailbox to allow users to receive external email yet after going to all the effort of setting it up and encouraging thousands former redditors to join they did nothing except ensure the restrictive format remained unaltered.

    The exact same thing they do on reddit and even that communities.win site. They work to prevent the users from composing compelling informative posts by not allowing images snd text in the same post.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    There was zero management on creating subs other than a wait time and then later a 40 max. THAT was the problem, always was, and still is.

    We needed sub curation. M7D3 failed completely on that front. I and others were willing to do it.

    LONG ago I recommended a site-wide notice area above or below the SaidIt search section in the sidebox (like in my CSS on /s/DecentralizeAllThings). This notice area would be brief with a few links to the latest news, updates, notifications, etc. They failed on that front too.

    Yes, search sucks. I've got an indie-server and rented a VPS for decentralized platforms (Lemmy, Movim, NextCloud, PeerTube, Mastodon, etc.) and all we've got up is Docker and https://Projex.Wiki. /s/Cassy needs expert help. I'm absolute shit at web admin stuff. YaCy would be the decentralized search engine that could crawl SaidIt, WikiSpooks, Communities.win, and all the truth-seeking sites we can think of.

    Imgur uploads was broken for a couple years, then was fixed and worked since so far as I know. Haven't had problems.

    The /u/d3rr is dead. Long live /u/smokeDrugs. He might help you.

    Yes, hashtags/metatags was at the very top of my wish list. I don't know about embedded media, but I offered to host an archive if someone with code skills could make it. Don't know anything about encrypted direct messaging other than there are lots of Android apps for that. Mailboxes would have been great.

    More important than all of these is the closed nature of the SaidIt management of magnora7. Because he refused to open it up for discussion nor improvement, because he simply hands down dictates, because he won't let others help manage SaidIt, it can only be as good as he allows by lazy default.

    The exact same thing they do on reddit and even that communities.win site. They work to prevent the users from composing compelling informative posts by not allowing images [a]nd text in the same post.

    I don't know exactly what this means. I'm trying to set up a couple Lemmy sites. I'm guessing they won't be much better. If I could code I'd set them up and set up an archive/search system to backup and share all the posts, media, etc. ideally with a good decentralized opensource gallery app (rather than having the Projex.Wiki be a large image bank).

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    I joined mastadon.social. Excellent format. They have it all. Even hashtags and really, hashtags are like virtual subs right? Thats how I like to think of them. I think a mastodon.saidit would be a good thing.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    There are a few issues with Mastodon. /s/DecentralizeAllThings/comments/9cuq/mastodon/

    Hashtags rule, potentially.

    Finally got a Lemmy instance up less than 24 hours ago. Mastodon is lower but on my list.

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Here are links to a couple of test posts I made on Mastadon. I think it's pretty neat. Nice short link URLs too.

    https://mastodon.social/@raven9/108505158630863562

    https://mastodon.social/@raven9/108501515319031045

    I havent tried Lemmy.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Lemmy is a decentralized Reddit-like feed forum. Simpler than SaidIt, but decentralized and well supported.

    Me: https://fosstodon.org/web/@JasonCarswell

    Somehow the Mastodons are supposed to be a decentralized network. I haven't played with it enough to know how to interconnect to "follow" you. Or to interconnect federated Mastodon and Lemmy.

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah like you just said Mastodons is supposed to be decentralized. I've been looking more closely at it. The mastodon.social appears to be their main server as it has the most users by far and this guy Eugen is the lead developer and admin.

    So look here https://mastodon.social/about/more

    So scroll down and look at all the servers they banned from connecting with their mastodon.social. I mean like WTF !! Why are they gonna go to all that trouble of setting up this distributed network and then ban everyone else from connecting with their server?

    ...and that Eugen character does nothing but post pictures of cats. Weird.

    [–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh yeah I see how this works... I followed you even though we are registered at different servers. It just asked for my @user@server address and that was it.