Saidit is its own worst enemy - a combination of mean and stupid - which keeps Saidit very small and ultra right-wing

submitted by bootylicious from self.SaidIt

Muskrat, with his multiple accounts, follows a long line of users who attack other users here on Saidit. His recent attack on a user here in /s/Saidit was also based on false information, but no one seemed to care. They believed Muskrat's lies. Saiditors like debates, and the most popular posts are often in /s/Politics when there are controversial issues to debate. Saidit is in a unique position online to develop debates that aren't merely circle-jerks, like one sees at communities.win, etc. But inevitably a number of Saiditors will drag down the discussion into mean and stupid ad hominim. (And many users will genuinely debate; I want to appeal to you.) I don't propose any changes to the rules or their enforcement, as has been discussed for years and abused by admins and moderators. I want to note that: if you want to enjoy debates at Saidit, try not to bully users who have differences in opinion, and Saidit will grow. (I've seen dozens of reasonable users come and go in the past 2 years because of the bullies.)

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[–]Canbot 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing progressivism. With thier power they have pushed society to the far left relative to rationality. Where truth is allowed to be spoken and debated it wins.

The powerful use intersectionality to divide and conquer. They use CRT to subvert thier greatest rival. And they push LGBT+ to normalize hedonism and bring back pedophilia. They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

As far as scaring off users, my experience is that everyone uses insults but to leftists it is far more emotional because they are used to echo chambers that only attack the right. The right is used to it being attacked.

Not only that, the left has many walled gardens to run to where they are coddled and congratulated for repeating the party line. The right has far fewer places to go, and anywhere they go they encounter paid agitators.

Even if no users ever ran, they would eventually be converted and this website would be "right wing" anyway. The red pill is inevitable.

[–]iDontShift 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing progressivism.

reddit, in its founding.. was an awesome place for everyone

those in power are pushing progressivism.

but then aaron schwartz died.

that was the day i saw censorship take over

it was instant

They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

unfortunately 90%, a majority of whom are GOOD but only good by following the NORM .. STAYED ON REDDIT

more are being pushed away now, but most still afraid to be seen as outside the NORM

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

reddit, in its founding.. was an awesome place for everyone

Things were far less political back then. That was before ShareBlue, before Acorn, before the tools they have now to propagandize. There are people on here paid to create controversy, to pretend to be right wing and be vile, trained to neutralize platforms that allow free speech. What Reddit was back then is not necessarily something saidit can be today.

[–]bootylicious[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Thanks for contributing the first comment. For what it's worth, much of what you write here is arguably the opposite. For example:

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing [RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA]. With thier power they have pushed society to the far [RIGHT] relative to rationality. Where truth is allowed to be spoken and debated it wins.

The powerful use intersectionality to divide and conquer. They use CRT to subvert thier greatest rival. And they push [FASCISM] to normalize hedonism and bring back pedophilia. They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

As far as scaring off users, my experience is that everyone uses insults but to [REPUBLICANS AND FASCISTS] it is far more emotional because they are used to echo chambers that only attack the right. The right is used to it being attacked.

Not only that, the [MAGATARDS HAVE] many walled gardens to run to where they are coddled and congratulated for repeating the party line. The [LEFT HAVE] far fewer places to go, and anywhere they go they encounter paid agitators.

Even if no users ever ran, they would eventually be converted and this website would be "right wing" anyway. The red pill is inevitable.

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    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't think you can say every. Only the ones that get traction get bought out. If they bought every alternative they would get gamed by people spamming new sites and selling them.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    This is really fucking interesting. When i'm sharing stuff in some messenger groups, i'm in

    it quite often looks to me like: "far"-right and "far"-left subgroups often somewhat coincidentally "fight" for the same thing.

    And i wouldn't take this seriously if it didn't happen again and again. Continuously, so to say. For a fact.

    Maybe these labels just are bullshit themselves...

    [–]Gaslov 23 insightful - 7 fun23 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

    If you want your leftist echo chamber you literally have the entire rest of the internet.

    [–]HeyBobby 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    It's not only that people are far-right (holocaust deniers for example) but many people on saidit seem mentally unhinged. Either way I just come here for a few laughs.

    [–]PopsicleToes 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I was dismayed by the sheer number of anti-vaxxers and C-19-is-a-hoaxers who want to arrest Fauci. I wish I could laugh along with you.

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      [–]jet199 16 insightful - 8 fun16 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 8 fun -  (8 children)

      You are pissed because you got called out for your shit. More news at 11.

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        [–]jet199 7 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

        "Us" being all the voices in your head.

        How progressive to give them each their own saidit account.

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        Fuck you, Jet is awesome.

        [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Mm

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            [–]bootylicious[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Thanks. This:

            those are the posts my personal Karma wishes to read, while driving over my dogma for fresh road killings of personal biases, IMHO.

            Is golden

            [–]zyxzevn 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (20 children)

            Ultra right?
            You just came to saidit and think to know everything..
            Probably you are here just to cause trouble.

            There are many bots here that pretend to be extremists.
            Some conspiracy people that think that one group is doing all the bad things, things like pro-trumpers are neonazis.

            The only real extremism today is enforced medical treatments, enforced "quarantine", critical theory for the basis of violence, government enforced monopolies, enforced censorship, etc.
            Note the words "enforced" and "violence" as they usually relate to extremism.

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              [–]HibikiBlack 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

              I personally am a centrist. And a lot of users don't like the idea of me leaning towards authoritarianism. I think calling Saidit a right wing circle jerk is an over-simplification. Even with the openly fascist groups, a lot of users over here, me included, downright oppose capitalism. To me the NWO is mostly a capitalist movement.

              [–]bootylicious[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              What gets me is that a lot of us are pissed off about late stage capitalism (if i may use a Marxist term to differentiate between today and the US 1950s) while there are a lot of people here who buy into the oversimplified narratives and lies of 4 decades of GOP propaganda for the deregulation that has led to this extreme income inequality that's fucking up our lives in the US. There's more to the explanation, but in a nutshell, that's my way of seeing our similar interests on Saidit, and my concern that the considered solutions (several kinds discussed here and at DAR periodically) would nonetheless benefit only the super rich. Working with the democratic system is rarely considered viable, even if it will be difficult. And this of course is why the anti-democratic rhetoric of the right sounds so good to many here.

              [–]HibikiBlack 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Capitalism is defective. Nationalism is the natural state of humans.

              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              that's fucking up our lives in the US

              Good thing you live in the UK then.

              [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              I don't think fascism has ever liked capitalism.

              [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              I didn't mean that the fascists liked it. Sorry if it sounded that way.

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                [–]Vulptex 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                2 years ago is exactly when everyone outside the SJW cult was radicalized to the alt-right in response to the former burning Minneapolis to the ground over mostly non-existent racism among the police. Donald Trump is a moderate regular right-winger with way too much ego and interests in himself and business. For that reason many liked his ideas but feared he would be too authoritarian. Now they think he isn't authoritarian enough, and because of the present chaos anyone who doesn't go the new party line 100% is automatically a liberal, almost as much as anyone who dissents against the SJW narrative is automatically a Nazi.

                [–]zyxzevn 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                Your stats:

                saiditter for 3 months

                Bernie supporters that are now far-right.

                Something is completely wrong with that line of thinking.

                [–]jet199 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                Trump is a businessman. All businessmen who want to trade globally are somewhat liberal. Maybe your definition of liberal is wrong.

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                  [–]jet199 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                  Nope.

                  Business relies on people from all countries and beliefs being able to trade and buy freely.

                  The world is bigger than your little bubble.

                  Liberalism means to be in favour of liberty, lack of restrictions.

                  It's not socialism, it's not the government providing services, it's not being nice.

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                    [–]SoCo 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                    Saidit currently is a mirror image of Reddit when it was younger, before corporate interests took over discourse. Reddit was right wing and the main news sub was r/conspiracy for the longest time. I tried making local state subreddits, but there wasn't enough people or interests yet.

                    [–]sproketboy 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

                    Found the fed.

                    [–]package 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

                    Oh my fucking god no one cares can all you lefty complainers please go back to whatever faggy discord chat you came from and stop shitting up the feed on here daily for no reason

                    [–]IndianaJones 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

                    I mean if you say something slightly controversial (and by "controversial" I simply mean right wing beliefs) on reddit, twitter and the internet in general, it gets censored to death.

                    So when a self-proclaimed free speech site pops up, of course they will be ultra right. Where else would they go? If reddit, twitter and the internet in general didn't censor right wing beliefs in the first place then there wouldn't be a large concentration of ultra right wingyness on saidit in the first place.

                    If the internet doesn't chimp out at anything slightly conservative then the ultra right wing people would be spread evenly, instead of being concentrated in one place. I think your grievances are very misdirected, although your heart is in the right place.

                    Anyway saidit is pretty cool. The amount of racism on this website has made me less racist and more mellow these days. Chicago nigago. Nigger nigger chicken dinner! Try saying these things anywhere else on the internet without getting (((removed))). Not an easy task.

                    Also, like /u/SMCAB said, I think debating is a waste of time too. It just makes you angry without any benefit. I find saidit to be refreshing because it reminds me of pre-cucked reddit in terms of political atmosphere, although it doesn't have to be political all the time.

                    Try posting on s/cooking or something. Make your own variant of the /u/FuckYourMom stew and post it there (famous saidit dish).

                    They believed Muskrat's lies.

                    I only believe him because I have daddy issues and I seek the validation of random 40 year olds from the internet. Not sure what people's reasons are for liking him, but that's my reason for liking him. He is also really nice to me. He also told me about Airplane! (1980) which makes me feel important because now I get to show my zoomer friends how cool I am by redpilling them about obscure boomer movies. Same with Event Horizon which I also saw recently.

                    If you are at least 40 years old too, I'll consider switching sides. Just kidding of course, sides are a social construct. Why can't we just all get along...

                    which keeps Saidit very small and ultra right-wing

                    What you may be looking for is an internet forum-styled website known as reddit.com. They are very accomodating to your views. You may enjoy that website more than saidit.net. Just a hunch though.

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                      [–]IndianaJones 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                      100% agree. If we censored things now then we'll just become reddit.

                      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                      I only believe him because I have daddy issues and I seek the validation of random 40 year olds from the internet

                      Thx bby, but you don't have to take my word for it. Despite all this, the shit weasel had already confessed before making this post. https://i.imgur.com/FvI3LpT.png

                      [–]IndianaJones 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      Woah, evidence on saidit?? What a rare occurrence. Well shit negro that's all I had to see.

                      [–]johndoyle 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

                      This website is what I assume the conversations in special ed are like

                      [–]NuclearBadger 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

                      I call my friends faggots and niggers in real life. Whether they're gay or black is irrelevant.

                      I talk to people in a proffessional tone when I don't trust them.

                      Why do you care if this site grows? Is having 100 friends not enough to keep your ego at bay?

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                        [–]HibikiBlack 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

                        Meh, It's true that people should make an effort to raise the level of discourse, but I've been in far worse places that Saidit. I think one of the main issues right now is how the front page is constantly being manipulated. With more interesting content people have more themes to talk about. This is something that can be countered by the community itself, just group upvote the good posts, it would make the job of the shills way harder. However, /u/magnora7 something needs to be done to repress the accounts engaging in vote manipulation. I'm not saying that we should just use force right away but something needs to be done about it. What do you think we can do to help as a community? Recently socks and/or Phoenix was seen by Muskrat engaging in vote manipulation, I'm sure there's something that can be done against that.

                        [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

                        Op is another socks alt, btw.

                        [–]HibikiBlack 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                        Hardly surprising!

                        [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

                        I agree this is a problem, and why a forum that has no votes but still uses the reddit format may be a new thing to try on the next forum.

                        The fake upvoting problem is an issue, and the real deal is these people have infinite IP addresses and can spoof their browser credentials. I've made scripts that detect activity like logging in and out to too many accounts too quickly, but even these rules can only block a certain IP. And if they have a completely different IP address every single time they make a page request, then there is literally no way to block them.

                        We at least have it fixed so when a user is banned from saidit, their votes go away as well, which helps remove the effects of vote manipulation. But the reality is, they just keep creating accounts with unique credentials each time, and so I have no way to differentiate those accounts from the accounts of regular users other than the behavior of the account... I have done some work developing algorithms good at detecting accounts that vote too quickly all together on a the same post or comment, and then autobanning all those accounts. But the result is they just make 10 more new accounts every time. This has been going on for years and I'm honestly not sure how to better engage it than we already are. I am open to suggestions, but also the amount of programming work necessary to get marginal improvements on this issue is rather steep.

                        We also built the block buttons, so posts by known troublemakers can be blocked by the users. We've really given the issue a fair shot many times over, but the real problem is that the vote system will exist to gamed in the first place. Another idea I had is to make a forum that limits the number of IP addresses a user can have, using the fact that the browser credentials and IP are randomized every time as a giveaway to shill activity. The problem is many VPNs mimic this behavior as well so it's again tough to differentiate between shills and normal users. Which is of course what they are trying to do, to pretend to be normal users while hijacking the information stream.

                        I think the real answer is a no-vote forum, where the threads are sorted by who left the last comment, old school style. But even this can be hijacked with enough volume. I really hate to say it but the text-based forum is in trouble because I have been thinking seriously for 5 years about this issue and I don't have a better solution than what we currently have. So many forums have failed because of it. Any better solution requires a team of people working 24/7 to monitor each post and comment individually as it arises, which is a ridiculous amount of work that requires a ridiculous amount of money. We have 10 volunteer content admins which helps but it only goes so far.

                        Anyway, if people have ideas, I'm listening.

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                        Just spitballing, but what about allowing everyone to see who votes for a thing, suspicious accounts can be reported to admins. I am pretty sure the vote manipulation is still ongoing.

                        [–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        That could be a privacy issue. To be honest I'm even skeptical of letting admins see that information, and imo there's absolutely no reason they need to be able to see what someone saved. And preferrably deleted content is either wiped off the server completely or only visible to the author.

                        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        I'm not a huge fan of people seeing what I upvote or don't. That causes hurt feelings too, if someone didn't upvote their forum buddy or whatever. I don't know another way to do it though. I'm just looking through all the stuff now that got absolutely ignored because of this nonsense hogging up the front page.

                        I can't believe he's fucking with Saidit. For a lot of us this is the only place we can speak our minds without catching a ban. He has the entire fucking internet that caters to his ideology, why's he got to mess with what little we have?

                        And even worse, he thinks he's doing a good thing and we're all evil right wing fascists. This Noble Lie bullshit is horrible, because the people lying aren't noble at all.

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                          [–]iamonlyoneman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                          Maybe if you and the rest of your alt accounts would boost better content the front page would look better?

                          [–]Airbus320 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                          Ok shill

                          [–]pretty_innocuous 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                          Popularity is the enemy of quality

                          Fuck off, faggot

                          [–]tyranicaloverlord 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                          Meh, whatever, welcome to what the internet was before 2005. I love it, let the shit posts fly, let the racists say their bullshit, let the leftists spout their nonsense. We need discourse, it's the only way to move forward.

                          Kudos to saidit for what they are doing: Anti porn and anti calls to violence.

                          [–]Anman 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                          I'm seeing community politics here all the time in posts like these... But somehow... Despite visiting nearly every day. None of this effects me.

                          So I guess you're just doing it wrong.

                          Also you have mistaken "ultra right wing" for "less retarded". But this place is still very retarded. Man, the conjoined reddit twins that exist here is sky high tard farming.

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                          I only use one account at a time tho and don't hide who I am, although I was behind the joke accounts u/yabut and u/JaysunCarswell. You don't see me logging onto a block of accounts to upvote shit, I only make extra accounts when I'm feeling crazy or to make people laugh.

                          I also very much try to avoid even accidentally upvoting shit twice.

                          You fucked up because you don't remember which of your alts are known and which aren't. When I saw so many Socks accounts logging on at once I knew it was nefarious. You're still gambling on people not knowing those are your accounts I guess. The evidence is damning. You even admitted to it in chat.

                          And here you are still being a shit weasel, trying to weasel your way out. You need to learn to act like a man.

                          Edited to add screen shot of you confessing if you're going to disparage my character.

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                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                            Shit weasel, you got caught. You calling me a liar and accusing me is pathetic.

                            https://i.imgur.com/FvI3LpT.png

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                              [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

                              The issue is you manipulating votes. I'm used to your libtard tactics: gaslight, deny, obfuscate. I just focus you back on the truth.

                              You need to reflect on your behavior.

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                                [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                Calling it a lie doesn't make it a lie. If your views are this warped over being caught red handed manipulating the vote count, you ever stop to think all your other beliefs are similarly ill conceived?

                                [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                Don't forget sealioning too

                                [–]peety 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

                                oh noes! i am mean and stupid, oh dear.

                                [–]SMCAB 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                                There comes a time in one's life where debating is no longer useful. This comes with age.

                                You have never, and will never change anyone's opinion, that has to be done on one's own, and it's rare.

                                Debating is useless. I have no room for it in my life, especially with an establishment leftist, I'd rather stick a rusty butter knife in my jugular vein. It's about the most mind numbing thing one can do. Right and wrong is subjective, like it or not. Debating is a useless tool.

                                So if that makes me a circle jerker, or wanting an echo chamber, fuck it. I'm here to be mean to establishment leftists. Establishment anyone really. Don't like it? Cry harder, or fuck off, either way you ain't changing shit.

                                [–]peety 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                i have not debated much, but sure, there are those whose mind will never be changed. but if speaking to someone, make them question their views. maybe that could help them change their mind on their own. i think most people realize certain truths at different degrees of realization or maybe don't realize at first, but later on experiences changes their view to realize truth and not propaganda.

                                i'm over 50 and until ~10 years ago, i didn't really have a viewpoint worth speaking of. didn't care. growing up with no guidance can do that to you. now i'm still learning. better late than never.

                                [–]SMCAB 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                Fair enough. Even though you are the anomaly, not the general norm, it makes sense.

                                I've been balls deep in this shit since I was in my teens, now 43, the rest of my life will be peaceful and drama free, talking to a CNN watching useful idiot about anything doesn't do anything good for the blood pressure. In my world, there is literally no need for it.

                                Anyone who advocates against their own liberty is useless to the greater good. Throw in the fact OP and his many alts are literally being paid to obfuscate here, what's the point?

                                [–]iamonlyoneman 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                • claim to have been here two years
                                • submit only three posts, ever . . .
                                • . . . in the one month your account has existed
                                • cry about lack of quality posts

                                Fuck off back to reddit, loser

                                [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

                                So we are just ignoring the group of paid trolls who consistently do whatever they can to disrupt the site, including posting mean and stupid content? Deliberately?

                                [–]jet199 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

                                I can't believe anyone gets paid to troll saidit.

                                Maybe someone gets paid to run bots.

                                [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

                                Yup, they sure do! It's pretty easy to pick them out, they're the ones that post mean and stupid content just to be disruptive. They also defend the power structure against criticism, something nobody would ever do without being paid.

                                [–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                something nobody would ever do without being paid.

                                reddit mods

                                [–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                I don't do power structure, that's a woke way of thinking.

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                                  [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                  Not ignoring so much as can't do anything about it beyond what has already been done... I can remove accounts all day but they can just keep making new ones and after 5 years it's at a stalemate as they appear to have infinite time and interest in doing this. I am open to new ideas about how to deal with this if anyone has any

                                  [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                  they appear to have infinite time and interest in doing this.

                                  It's literally their job.

                                  The whole idea is to grind us down and make us abandon what we're doing. Don't let the bastards win. A good step in the right direction would be the "block" function not letting the shills see any of your posts. This would really hurt them, and when they made new accounts, those get blocked too. It would go a long way towards locking them out of shitting on the quality content that Saidit treasures.

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                                    [–]Pixietree 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                    I don't think saidit is a right-wing circle jerk, but it does lean a little that way since there isn't any other places to go. I personally lean left, or at least lean towards egalitarianism. There are a lot of right-wing views but there hasn't seemed to be to much closed mindedness (aside from maybe a rew). Also there are "left leaning" people that call out the hypocrisy of "the left". They get labeled as "right wing" and get censored. So there is a chance for well rounded debates to take place. There are idiots everywhere, so there are bound to be some on saidit that have too much time on their hands and shit post a lot. I just wish we had more hobby post and subs outside of politics that reddit had.

                                    [–]Airbus320 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                    Nigger

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                                      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

                                      Also, Socks confessed. I can't believe he's still trying to weasel out of it. I know screen shotting chat is bad form, but I had a feeling it would be necessary: https://i.imgur.com/FvI3LpT.png

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                                        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                                        Yes, it's you admitting to vote manipulation.

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                                          [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                                          if you want to enjoy debates at Saidit, try not to bully users who have differences in opinion, and Saidit will grow.

                                          Agreed, plus, argue with sources and citations and rational arguments in good faith - otherwise you may be trapped by sealioning.

                                          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                          I learned it by watching you!

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                                            [–]DirewolfGhost 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                            You sound mean and stupid, so fuck off.

                                            [–]PopsicleToes 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                            I couldn't agree more. I was hoping for more reason and less baiting, put-downs, and name-calling when I came here. That was naive. : /

                                            There are good topical subs, music subs, etc. but news and politics subs are a hot mess. For having a different view, and for pleading for reason, I got told to eat sh!t. Sigh.

                                            [–]Entropick 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                            This would be considered pilpul, correct?

                                            [–]Evola 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                            Tone policing is probably more accurate and contemporary but I suppose it would fall under the pilpul umbrella.

                                            [–]blackpoop321 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                            Sounds like you just stepped out of your leftoid echo-chamber and discovered the real world with real people. Any platform that doesn't have draconian censorship inevitably turns right-wing.

                                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                            It can sometimes be challenging to walk a centre line without taking sides or to hold a differing opinion without running into conflict, but most here speak freely and honestly. That's to be respected. I like Muskrat, and I like most people I've met here even if some don't like me. So yeah, I agree that we shouldn't encourage bullying, but I don't consider to be Muskrat a bully. Stay chilled and enjoy the occasional shitpost to break up the seriousness of the news and politics subs.

                                            [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                            Today I see the lefties complaining this place is too right wing and the righties complaining about a left wing takeover. Both threads are high on the front page. Everyone's being a whiny bitch, so this gives me confidence that this site is striking about the correct centrist, free speech prioritizing balance for my tastes.

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                                              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                              Voluntarily mean, if i see fit, i am.

                                              Stupid people you literally can find anywhere. (What is "stupid" actually, you know ?) So i don't get your point.

                                              I'm quite radical. But sure as hell not right wing. These are your googles, you're looking through. Not a standard lurker's, so to say.

                                              Which obviously block your view on finer details.

                                              That is why you're crying citing some simulation of ((reasons)). Instead of searching for ways, to actually achieve something.

                                              Like reasonable, hands-on, on-point, non-bullshitters mostly actually do. Which mostly are right-wingers in US. What i can agree on.

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