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[–]Canbot 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing progressivism. With thier power they have pushed society to the far left relative to rationality. Where truth is allowed to be spoken and debated it wins.

The powerful use intersectionality to divide and conquer. They use CRT to subvert thier greatest rival. And they push LGBT+ to normalize hedonism and bring back pedophilia. They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

As far as scaring off users, my experience is that everyone uses insults but to leftists it is far more emotional because they are used to echo chambers that only attack the right. The right is used to it being attacked.

Not only that, the left has many walled gardens to run to where they are coddled and congratulated for repeating the party line. The right has far fewer places to go, and anywhere they go they encounter paid agitators.

Even if no users ever ran, they would eventually be converted and this website would be "right wing" anyway. The red pill is inevitable.

[–]iDontShift 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing progressivism.

reddit, in its founding.. was an awesome place for everyone

those in power are pushing progressivism.

but then aaron schwartz died.

that was the day i saw censorship take over

it was instant

They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

unfortunately 90%, a majority of whom are GOOD but only good by following the NORM .. STAYED ON REDDIT

more are being pushed away now, but most still afraid to be seen as outside the NORM

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

reddit, in its founding.. was an awesome place for everyone

Things were far less political back then. That was before ShareBlue, before Acorn, before the tools they have now to propagandize. There are people on here paid to create controversy, to pretend to be right wing and be vile, trained to neutralize platforms that allow free speech. What Reddit was back then is not necessarily something saidit can be today.

[–]bootylicious[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Thanks for contributing the first comment. For what it's worth, much of what you write here is arguably the opposite. For example:

Every free speech platform becomes right wing relative to society because those in power are pushing [RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA]. With thier power they have pushed society to the far [RIGHT] relative to rationality. Where truth is allowed to be spoken and debated it wins.

The powerful use intersectionality to divide and conquer. They use CRT to subvert thier greatest rival. And they push [FASCISM] to normalize hedonism and bring back pedophilia. They can not be reasoned with, but the useful idiots can.

As far as scaring off users, my experience is that everyone uses insults but to [REPUBLICANS AND FASCISTS] it is far more emotional because they are used to echo chambers that only attack the right. The right is used to it being attacked.

Not only that, the [MAGATARDS HAVE] many walled gardens to run to where they are coddled and congratulated for repeating the party line. The [LEFT HAVE] far fewer places to go, and anywhere they go they encounter paid agitators.

Even if no users ever ran, they would eventually be converted and this website would be "right wing" anyway. The red pill is inevitable.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Wow, it took you this long just to come up with this contrarian nonsense?!

Literally no one is dumb enough to think Reddit, Google, mainstream media, Twitter, Facebook, etc are right wing. The fact that those in power are pushing leftist ideologies is indisputable. It is amazing that you have the shameless audacity to make such an idiotic statement.

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    [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    The websites you mention are helpful, but not the most powerful

    They literally are. By any rational measure, and by a huge margin.

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      [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Both the government and the media are controlled by the same people. That doesn't mean total control, all the time. The exceptions do not disprove the rule.

      The rules are that BLM riots across the country are allowed to destroy cities, kill people, ruin small businesses and countless lives, destroy cities and no one gets prosecuted and they are venerated by the media. The media and government act as one. Google manipulates search results, Twitter censors trending hash tags, Facebook shadowbans alternative news.

      The FBI gives immunity to state department employees who destroyed evidence to an active investigation under the guise of getting cooperation and the media never talks about the blatant corruption of both departments. Social media platforms do thier part to censor it too.

      Meanwhile a kangaroo court is held to overthrow a sitting president, complete with falsified data from the FBI. The following election is full of fraud and the people who protest it are called insurectionists and thrown in jail.

      Gay flags are painted on city streets as literal terrorists take over parts of Portland, in an actual insurrection, where they have a murder every week with zero prosecution and once again full support from government and media.

      The people in power have an agenda. That agenda is called progressivism. All the weak minded fools have been brainwashed into thinking it was all thier own idea as they carry out the will of the elite.

      [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      That's because I knew you might be defensive.

      Not only does that not explain the absurd claims it is an ad hominem. There is nothing "defensive" or emotional about my response. It is your insane contradiction that is defensive.

      "The powerful" you mention are especially the GOP

      The GOP are not powerful, conservative, or anti woke. Most of them are part of the swamp. They are controlled by the powerful, and certainly have about as much sway as the DNC but the false dichotomy that is the two party system is a scam.

      leading to extreme income inequality.

      Welfare is NOT a solution to income inequality. It is a political football thrown around to occupy the peons and have them fight each other over it. Neither party will ever do anything to reduce wealth inequality. They literally have fools begging to give more power to the wealthy with a promise that they will redistribute it back to them.

      The democrats and Republicans are on the same team, and it's not yours.

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        [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I don't think you can say every. Only the ones that get traction get bought out. If they bought every alternative they would get gamed by people spamming new sites and selling them.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        This is really fucking interesting. When i'm sharing stuff in some messenger groups, i'm in

        it quite often looks to me like: "far"-right and "far"-left subgroups often somewhat coincidentally "fight" for the same thing.

        And i wouldn't take this seriously if it didn't happen again and again. Continuously, so to say. For a fact.

        Maybe these labels just are bullshit themselves...

        [–]Gaslov 23 insightful - 7 fun23 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

        If you want your leftist echo chamber you literally have the entire rest of the internet.

        [–]_XEAL_ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Can we have here a fucking apolitical echo chamber or something?

        [–]jingles 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        Asking for anything in today's world that is apolitical is like an airplane that wants to fly without gaining altitude. You are living in a jungle and you will see jungle.

        [–]_XEAL_ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Bullshit. It shouldn't be that hard to have a space where you all people don't talk about politics on every fucking sub every 5 minutes. Just like IRL, not every place in the world is a jungle.

        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Ok jew

        [–]_XEAL_ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Quality argument

        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)


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        [–]HeyBobby 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        It's not only that people are far-right (holocaust deniers for example) but many people on saidit seem mentally unhinged. Either way I just come here for a few laughs.

        [–]PopsicleToes 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I was dismayed by the sheer number of anti-vaxxers and C-19-is-a-hoaxers who want to arrest Fauci. I wish I could laugh along with you.

        [–]jet199 16 insightful - 8 fun16 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 8 fun -  (8 children)

        You are pissed because you got called out for your shit. More news at 11.

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          [–]jet199 7 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

          "Us" being all the voices in your head.

          How progressive to give them each their own saidit account.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

          Fuck you, Jet is awesome.

          [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)


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            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

            Could be worse, she could have a lying little shit weasel for a partner.

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              [–]bootylicious[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Thanks. This:

              those are the posts my personal Karma wishes to read, while driving over my dogma for fresh road killings of personal biases, IMHO.

              Is golden

              [–]zyxzevn 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (20 children)

              Ultra right?
              You just came to saidit and think to know everything..
              Probably you are here just to cause trouble.

              There are many bots here that pretend to be extremists.
              Some conspiracy people that think that one group is doing all the bad things, things like pro-trumpers are neonazis.

              The only real extremism today is enforced medical treatments, enforced "quarantine", critical theory for the basis of violence, government enforced monopolies, enforced censorship, etc.
              Note the words "enforced" and "violence" as they usually relate to extremism.

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                [–]HibikiBlack 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                I personally am a centrist. And a lot of users don't like the idea of me leaning towards authoritarianism. I think calling Saidit a right wing circle jerk is an over-simplification. Even with the openly fascist groups, a lot of users over here, me included, downright oppose capitalism. To me the NWO is mostly a capitalist movement.

                [–]bootylicious[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                What gets me is that a lot of us are pissed off about late stage capitalism (if i may use a Marxist term to differentiate between today and the US 1950s) while there are a lot of people here who buy into the oversimplified narratives and lies of 4 decades of GOP propaganda for the deregulation that has led to this extreme income inequality that's fucking up our lives in the US. There's more to the explanation, but in a nutshell, that's my way of seeing our similar interests on Saidit, and my concern that the considered solutions (several kinds discussed here and at DAR periodically) would nonetheless benefit only the super rich. Working with the democratic system is rarely considered viable, even if it will be difficult. And this of course is why the anti-democratic rhetoric of the right sounds so good to many here.

                [–]HibikiBlack 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                Capitalism is defective. Nationalism is the natural state of humans.

                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                that's fucking up our lives in the US

                Good thing you live in the UK then.

                [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                I don't think fascism has ever liked capitalism.

                [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                I didn't mean that the fascists liked it. Sorry if it sounded that way.

                [–]Omnipresenthuman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Who specifically are the NWO in your opinion?

                [–]Vulptex 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                2 years ago is exactly when everyone outside the SJW cult was radicalized to the alt-right in response to the former burning Minneapolis to the ground over mostly non-existent racism among the police. Donald Trump is a moderate regular right-winger with way too much ego and interests in himself and business. For that reason many liked his ideas but feared he would be too authoritarian. Now they think he isn't authoritarian enough, and because of the present chaos anyone who doesn't go the new party line 100% is automatically a liberal, almost as much as anyone who dissents against the SJW narrative is automatically a Nazi.

                [–]zyxzevn 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

                Your stats:

                saiditter for 3 months

                Bernie supporters that are now far-right.

                Something is completely wrong with that line of thinking.

                [–]jet199 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                Trump is a businessman. All businessmen who want to trade globally are somewhat liberal. Maybe your definition of liberal is wrong.

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                  [–]jet199 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)


                  Business relies on people from all countries and beliefs being able to trade and buy freely.

                  The world is bigger than your little bubble.

                  Liberalism means to be in favour of liberty, lack of restrictions.

                  It's not socialism, it's not the government providing services, it's not being nice.

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                      [–]SoCo 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                      Saidit currently is a mirror image of Reddit when it was younger, before corporate interests took over discourse. Reddit was right wing and the main news sub was r/conspiracy for the longest time. I tried making local state subreddits, but there wasn't enough people or interests yet.

                      [–]sproketboy 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

                      Found the fed.

                      [–]package 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

                      Oh my fucking god no one cares can all you lefty complainers please go back to whatever faggy discord chat you came from and stop shitting up the feed on here daily for no reason

                      [–]IndianaJones 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

                      I mean if you say something slightly controversial (and by "controversial" I simply mean right wing beliefs) on reddit, twitter and the internet in general, it gets censored to death.

                      So when a self-proclaimed free speech site pops up, of course they will be ultra right. Where else would they go? If reddit, twitter and the internet in general didn't censor right wing beliefs in the first place then there wouldn't be a large concentration of ultra right wingyness on saidit in the first place.

                      If the internet doesn't chimp out at anything slightly conservative then the ultra right wing people would be spread evenly, instead of being concentrated in one place. I think your grievances are very misdirected, although your heart is in the right place.

                      Anyway saidit is pretty cool. The amount of racism on this website has made me less racist and more mellow these days. Chicago nigago. Nigger nigger chicken dinner! Try saying these things anywhere else on the internet without getting (((removed))). Not an easy task.

                      Also, like /u/SMCAB said, I think debating is a waste of time too. It just makes you angry without any benefit. I find saidit to be refreshing because it reminds me of pre-cucked reddit in terms of political atmosphere, although it doesn't have to be political all the time.

                      Try posting on s/cooking or something. Make your own variant of the /u/FuckYourMom stew and post it there (famous saidit dish).

                      They believed Muskrat's lies.

                      I only believe him because I have daddy issues and I seek the validation of random 40 year olds from the internet. Not sure what people's reasons are for liking him, but that's my reason for liking him. He is also really nice to me. He also told me about Airplane! (1980) which makes me feel important because now I get to show my zoomer friends how cool I am by redpilling them about obscure boomer movies. Same with Event Horizon which I also saw recently.

                      If you are at least 40 years old too, I'll consider switching sides. Just kidding of course, sides are a social construct. Why can't we just all get along...

                      which keeps Saidit very small and ultra right-wing

                      What you may be looking for is an internet forum-styled website known as They are very accomodating to your views. You may enjoy that website more than Just a hunch though.

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                        [–]IndianaJones 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                        100% agree. If we censored things now then we'll just become reddit.

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                          [–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                          Only things like glorifying violence or advocating for certain peoples' death. For the most part it still allows saidit to do what it wants.

                          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                          I only believe him because I have daddy issues and I seek the validation of random 40 year olds from the internet

                          Thx bby, but you don't have to take my word for it. Despite all this, the shit weasel had already confessed before making this post.

                          [–]IndianaJones 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                          Woah, evidence on saidit?? What a rare occurrence. Well shit negro that's all I had to see.

                          [–]johndoyle 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

                          This website is what I assume the conversations in special ed are like

                          [–]NuclearBadger 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

                          I call my friends faggots and niggers in real life. Whether they're gay or black is irrelevant.

                          I talk to people in a proffessional tone when I don't trust them.

                          Why do you care if this site grows? Is having 100 friends not enough to keep your ego at bay?

                          [–][deleted]  (4 children)


                            [–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                            People that can think for themselves express themselves in different ways, so stop trying to control how people speak.

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                              [–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              But you're saying, even in your title, that small groups of people are bad, and that "ultra right wing", whatever that is, is bad.

                              Why does it matter?

                              Quite frankly makes no sense because on a political chart apparently I lean left, but the freaks in charge have made it an impossible sacrifice to the bottom.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

                              Meh, It's true that people should make an effort to raise the level of discourse, but I've been in far worse places that Saidit. I think one of the main issues right now is how the front page is constantly being manipulated. With more interesting content people have more themes to talk about. This is something that can be countered by the community itself, just group upvote the good posts, it would make the job of the shills way harder. However, /u/magnora7 something needs to be done to repress the accounts engaging in vote manipulation. I'm not saying that we should just use force right away but something needs to be done about it. What do you think we can do to help as a community? Recently socks and/or Phoenix was seen by Muskrat engaging in vote manipulation, I'm sure there's something that can be done against that.

                              [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

                              Op is another socks alt, btw.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                              Hardly surprising!

                              [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

                              I agree this is a problem, and why a forum that has no votes but still uses the reddit format may be a new thing to try on the next forum.

                              The fake upvoting problem is an issue, and the real deal is these people have infinite IP addresses and can spoof their browser credentials. I've made scripts that detect activity like logging in and out to too many accounts too quickly, but even these rules can only block a certain IP. And if they have a completely different IP address every single time they make a page request, then there is literally no way to block them.

                              We at least have it fixed so when a user is banned from saidit, their votes go away as well, which helps remove the effects of vote manipulation. But the reality is, they just keep creating accounts with unique credentials each time, and so I have no way to differentiate those accounts from the accounts of regular users other than the behavior of the account... I have done some work developing algorithms good at detecting accounts that vote too quickly all together on a the same post or comment, and then autobanning all those accounts. But the result is they just make 10 more new accounts every time. This has been going on for years and I'm honestly not sure how to better engage it than we already are. I am open to suggestions, but also the amount of programming work necessary to get marginal improvements on this issue is rather steep.

                              We also built the block buttons, so posts by known troublemakers can be blocked by the users. We've really given the issue a fair shot many times over, but the real problem is that the vote system will exist to gamed in the first place. Another idea I had is to make a forum that limits the number of IP addresses a user can have, using the fact that the browser credentials and IP are randomized every time as a giveaway to shill activity. The problem is many VPNs mimic this behavior as well so it's again tough to differentiate between shills and normal users. Which is of course what they are trying to do, to pretend to be normal users while hijacking the information stream.

                              I think the real answer is a no-vote forum, where the threads are sorted by who left the last comment, old school style. But even this can be hijacked with enough volume. I really hate to say it but the text-based forum is in trouble because I have been thinking seriously for 5 years about this issue and I don't have a better solution than what we currently have. So many forums have failed because of it. Any better solution requires a team of people working 24/7 to monitor each post and comment individually as it arises, which is a ridiculous amount of work that requires a ridiculous amount of money. We have 10 volunteer content admins which helps but it only goes so far.

                              Anyway, if people have ideas, I'm listening.

                              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                              Just spitballing, but what about allowing everyone to see who votes for a thing, suspicious accounts can be reported to admins. I am pretty sure the vote manipulation is still ongoing.

                              [–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              That could be a privacy issue. To be honest I'm even skeptical of letting admins see that information, and imo there's absolutely no reason they need to be able to see what someone saved. And preferrably deleted content is either wiped off the server completely or only visible to the author.

                              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              I'm not a huge fan of people seeing what I upvote or don't. That causes hurt feelings too, if someone didn't upvote their forum buddy or whatever. I don't know another way to do it though. I'm just looking through all the stuff now that got absolutely ignored because of this nonsense hogging up the front page.

                              I can't believe he's fucking with Saidit. For a lot of us this is the only place we can speak our minds without catching a ban. He has the entire fucking internet that caters to his ideology, why's he got to mess with what little we have?

                              And even worse, he thinks he's doing a good thing and we're all evil right wing fascists. This Noble Lie bullshit is horrible, because the people lying aren't noble at all.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                              That's fine dude. I'm just thinking about creating larger mod teams so you don't have to deal with the whole mess alone. Have people interact and keep an eye on bad faith users, and be more active when it comes to upvoting the good stuff. That way the community can regulate itself. We have defeated socks/Phoenix in this fashion already and I'm sure we'll do it again.

                              [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                              Thanks. I think we are doing alright overall too but there's always room for improvement. Having 10 content admins like saidit does is helpful. The real danger to having too many content admins is that one of the shills infiltrates an admin position. I think we've avoided this so far, but it's tough.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                              If you see giving room to content admins as dangerous, well It's just a matter of trying to create communities so that everyone can contribute to detecting and punishing shills.

                              Take some advice and don't do the same thing I did by trying to solve everything alone.

                              [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                              well It's just a matter of trying to create communities so that everyone can contribute to detecting and punishing shills.

                              That's called reddit votes, and it's already proven that system is far too easy to hijack.

                              The fact I already took on 10 content admins shows I'm not trying to do it alone.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                              That's fine just remember we have your back too.

                              [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                              Thanks, I appreciate you all that help saidit be the best it can be

                              [–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              Look at me promoting Saidit in the comment section:


                              I'm more hyped than ever dude so you keep yourself strong too. That goes to our brother d3rr as well.

                              [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              I do see you telling people about saidit and it's awesome to have your help. Saidit has definitely grown because of your continued work, and the work of many others who share links and tell others about saidit.

                              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              Neither mods or other admins are able to deal with something like this. Admins are not able to access the server console and execute whatever code they want, only magnora can do that. Additionally, reddit's admin frontend was never open sourced, so afaik we can't see IP or other identifying info, and viewing someone's votes isn't as simple as it is on reddit.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                              Hypocrite. Full of the same shit for years. You refuse to give up any power, even a little to open up the system - meanwhile you'll always have ultimate power and keys to the kingdom. You've lost your credibility, time, and the quality of SaidIt by insisting everything be done your myopic way instead of opening up everything. You don't just need your team. You need a trusted-team AND an inspired community plus ongoing open communications using an open management system. This is not new, but you won't even consider it. And morale is for shit, thanks to lost potential and opportunities. SaidIt could have been so much more. YOU fucked up.

                              The block button increases forum slide and further removes the user from any responsibilities or care about the site at large. It was always a shitty unfinished tool.

                              More heads are better than one dictator head.

                              Even if you take another 5 years your brain can never solve this alone.

                              Restore order by putting power in the people's hands.

                              [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                              You need a trusted-team AND an inspired community plus ongoing open communications using an open management system. This is not new, but you won't even consider it.

                              You mean like the admin team of 10 people and all the subreddit moderators and the voting system that we've been doing for a long time now? Your anger isn't helping, and your ideas aren't novel because we've already implemented them.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

                              Firstly, general name-calling has gotten way out of control, especially in chat, and is IMO the primary catalyst for all this forum sliding and uncivil culture.

                              You mean like the admin team of 10 people and all the subreddit moderators and the voting system that we've been doing for a long time now?

                              Give me a break. I very well recall your new arbitrary top-down decree, as usual, without consulting the community until it was demanded amid ongoing problems, and then poorly done. From with your new take on the old rules, SaidIt's been MUCH shittier since, sliding towards Voat, Poal, and Ruqqus culture. Regardless and critically important: it is still NOT a bottom-up open system. FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest) was invented for YOU because you could not manage well nor ethically.

                              Most importantly, you've completely failed to have consistent communications with your community on how things are managed, much less anything else (goals, promotion, support, growth, etc.). I've said for years that SaidIt needs a newsletter, regular developments (besides the Canary), some special announcement links (ie. sidebox under the broken search), regular PSAs (public service announcements), noob tutorials, advanced guides, better FAQ content, etc.

                              I've not been very active lately, however I've not been so out of the loop to miss too much - such as admin announcements.

                              Your anger isn't helping, and your ideas aren't novel because we've already implemented them.

                              What isn't helping is your lack of leadership skills and refusal to open things up transparently and fairly. You may have PARTIALLY implemented some of my ideas, and others', but that doesn't mean they're actually functional, much less optimal, or even effective when they are utterly incomplete and still top-down.

                              Further, this is the first time you've bothered to acknowledge anything I've shared in many months - maybe even a year. You either unblocked me or decided to not ignore me and finally engaged. Regardless, you may continue to flounder further hiding behind backhanded bullshittery, or can employ our community's collective assistance by actually listening instead of insulting folks.

                              Playing it "safe" means you're incapable or afraid of experimenting and trying new things to improve SaidIt. Stop worrying about "what if" and take action. If it fails then undo it. If it succeeds move on to the next improvement strategy. Your "leadership" efforts thus far don't indicate any legitimate worry about SaidIt's numbers anyway.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                              Magnora may have his flaws but he is no tyrant. He is still offering to listen to options, It's just that he seems to has trust issues about the people who handle content on the site. The community by itself can already do a lot of the things you say, I myself wish I could get more involved in such things but the posting and fighting by itself already drains me.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                              I didn't call him a tyrant.

                              He hasn't listened to many folks in years.

                              He has issues that aren't limited to trust.

                              But so do we all.

                              Yes, the community can do much, but it's either limited, unguided, or needs the extra validation of the ultimate authority: admins. Otherwise it's just gangs with empty threats, limited to harassment at worst or forum shaming at best. /s/SaidItCommunity was started to develop new ideas and more, but I've since been preoccupied with other priorities.

                              Ask yourself, how much more important are your posts (that revisit old news) than investing in and developing our online communities?

                              magnora7's centralized top-down management style holds SaidIt back more than he can possibly realize and everyone else just talks and talks with few who are able bothering to do anything to improve anything - so I've given up trying with SaidIt folks. That's why I was going to start some Lemmy instances, but now I really don't care about them much either. SaidIt users suck, expecting free shit, giving nothing, complaining that I'm asking for "free" help (when I pay). Local communities have their own set of pros and cons, but at least we're taking action, getting results, experience, and positive results. So my focus starts local first now, bottom-up, then expands outward - like my first sub /s/DecentralizeAllThings.

                              [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                              Well, I can't consider myself to be religious by most standards. Religion tends to be dogmatic and I can't say I always follow certain principles. But a lot of the traumas in my life have let me to believe that there is a certain sacred aspect towards ethics themselves.

                              /u/magnora7 You should listen to this too. One of the things that let me to the information war was, well, I've always been paranoid towards technology and the way people slowly became more and more hyper-connected to each other with everyday that went by, and I began to wonder, what if someone, the government or whatever, started using technology for evil? As I navigated the Internet in a naive fashion and became familiar with the way Post-Modernism screwed up the level of discouse, it let me to have a huge mental breakdown and I got involved with the far-right groups. (I learned the things I know about the Holocaust from them)

                              Now the most obvious thing to do from the ethical point of view when it comes to leadership, would be, well think of a plan of taking down the bad guys. I've always thought about doing something like embracing rebellion, but I've never had quite the motivation to go all out in such a fashion until I found out about the Vatican being behind the destruction of my hometown. (Which by the way, sorry again for my behaviour back then but It's like another personality was created in me that I couldn't control and was in a frenzied state for months)

                              Either way, outside of Saidit itself, I've thought of ways of exposing people to my ideas and theories and people actually love my content in mass. I always promote Saidit while I do this at the same time and yet despite people loving my ideas in mass, the hard truth is that most people are too apathetic and cynical like to believe they can even make a difference at all and give up without even trying.

                              Now It's not like the censorship is there and people are confused, they are exposed to and legit like my stuff, but are beaten by their own defeatism regardless... And that right there is enough to drive anyone into depression.

                              But despite all this, there's something deep inside that tells me that there is a lot of value in what I do and that I was always supposed to do this. And that there's meaning in the things I've done and the people that I've touched along the way. That's why I keep up with my work over here despite everything that happens. It seems that the larger my collections grows, the more determined and frustrated the shills get in taking me down but I also keep getting better too. It's crazy how much we've exchanged blows with each other at this point.

                              Either way I'm just trying to narrate what has motivated me as time has gone by. I hope it gives you an insight about what to do from now on. I would appreciate for you to stay around a little longer until I can share a large part of my records with you guys.

                              [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                              I would appreciate for you to stay around a little longer until I can share a large part of my records with you guys.

                              Post less, organize more, until it's all done, then resume as you were or evolve with new habits. Your records would be better if people could search through them with or without context (on WikiSpooks, InfoGalactic, Projex.Wiki, torrent, IPFS, TOR, etc) on their own time with their own agendas, rather than have them wait for you to repost.

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                              This is the one type of case where shadowbans might be a good course of action. But iirc you might have to tweak a few things to get their votes to not count, I think that was broken in reddit's final open source version.

                              The only other thing I can think of is removing voting rules altogether, then the most determined party wins.

                              [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                              Shadowbans only slow down their process slightly, because of reddit they know all they have to do is logout or look with a private browser mode to see if they're banned or not. It's 10s of hours of programming for me, to result in a few minutes of annoyance for them. Not worth it, unfortunately. Furthermore I have a moral issue with shadowbanning in general, I think it's a form of gaslighting for the real people who get caught up in it.

                              The only other thing I can think of is removing voting rules altogether, then the most determined party wins.

                              Yeah that's kind of where I'm at with it too. The thing is, they're always the most determined party, because they're being paid to do so. They will always have the most time and energy to devote to manipulating the forum. This somehow has to be taken in to account when designing a new forum. There needs to be a way to disempower the busybodies and empower the people who post infrequently. Which is the opposite of how it works now. But at the core, if they can create infinite anonymous user accounts, then we have no real defense. So I think something like limiting the number of IP addresses per user might be the way to go.

                              Or another user suggested that maybe new users could be restricted to a certain sub, and then get community approval before they can post to the rest of the site. But the downside with this, is that the moment this approval system gets hijacked by some shills, they'll approve a thousand more shill accounts, then the whole system is shot again.

                              Another idea is to make people pay $5 to register an account, with no refunds if they get banned. This would make shilling extremely expensive. But it would also certainly deter real users, and it would be awful for anonymous truth telling because it ties back to a cash account, which is kind of against the whole point of this site.

                              It's a real pickle.

                              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                              I've dealt with this on reddit before, you'd be surprised how many of them don't check for shadowbans. Just make 100% sure they're not real users before you do it, and remember, mods can still approve their posts if it was a mistake.

                              You shouldn't need to program it yourself, the functionality comes with reddit. If you set a user's _spam flag, they will be shadowbanned. I think you'll have to fix the votes, but that's it unless saidit's changes broke something else too. Alternatively you could make one that only shadowbans votes.

                              There's also is_suspended but you already have a replacement for that, and _banned which I would never use if possible, that's the one that logs the user out of their account and blocks their password. For shadowbans there's also a flag that keeps their profile page visible.

                              A script could auto-ban accounts from a certain IP, but it sounds like that's not going to work here, and it's not really the greatest thing to go by anyway. A cookie might work for some cases, but probably not this one.

                              In the case of real users I think an automated message explaining their ban would be a good idea, I got it working without much trouble.

                              [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                              Actually I don't think we inherited any of that functionality unfortunately. They stripped out all the admin controls from the open source. D3rr had to make a new ban system from scratch basically when we first started. Unless you're talking about some mod-level functionality I'm unaware of, I don't think we have it.

                              I would be down with an automated message to the person banned. But on the other hand maybe it's good sometimes if they don't know they're banned, similar to shadowbanning. Saidit currently doesn't explicitly say "you're banned", I believe it just returns errors when the banned user tries to post or comment something. Which I think is a reasonable system.

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                              Oh shit! There was no need to make a whole new ban system. They only stripped out the frontend. The functionality is still there, you just have to make a button to enable it (or don't, it may be a good idea for only you to be able to perform shadowbans). I know these things because I've tested it out myself. If you look through the source code you can see the _spam and is_suspended attributes, and they do work. u/d3rr I feel bad for you now.

                              Make a test account and use the console to set its _spam attribute, then post stuff with it and play around with mod tools (spoiler: most of them don't work), then try is_suspended and maybe _banned.

                              I have tested the global ban on saidit and it does not send a message, but it does remove the post and comment buttons like a subreddit ban. I think it would be helpful for real users to know why they were banned.

                              [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              I'm sure d3rr just built a new frontend if that's all that was necessary. I didn't work on this portion of it so I don't know the details, only d3rr does, but he deleted his saidit account so tagging him is especially pointless.

                              If you can figure out how to code the sending of an automated message upon banning that might be good, but I still think that maybe the extra of delay of shills and bots having to figure out they are banned might be worth it, especially if you were previously suggesting shadowbanning...

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              It's a completely different backend. u/d3rr was apparently unaware that the backend for admin tools was included, so he rolled his own quick one. But if you need someone shadowbanned, use the console to set their _spam flag. Since they're separate functions a message would not be sent for shadowbans, but would for normal bans (or suspensions, if you want to switch to that). Iirc you have to program the system account to send a PM automatically when a ban or suspension is fired.

                              I do think suspensions might work as a replacement for users who became unbannable after the 500 error happened when attempting to global ban them, which seems to be getting more common.

                              If I have time I can make some changes myself and test them, assuming the github is up to date. I could add a frontend for shadowbans and suspensions. I'm guessing the reddit admins have a completely separate program from reddit that they use to take these actions.

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                              Actually it's in_timeout, not is_suspended. That might be ruqqus.

                              Anyway you can see the in_timeout property here:

                              The _spam attribute comes from a superclass and is the same as what's used for sub bans, and I think posts and comments and messages too.

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                              u/d3rr I saw this line:

                              # TODO: refactor to self._spam
                              if self.is_global_banned:

                              Accounts already have a _spam property, it's inherited, I think from thing, along with _deleted. Enabling it causes the user to be shadowbanned.

                              The code for "chucking" an account (password lockout) with the _banned property starts on line 556.

                              In, at line 952, you can see where the profile pages are blocked for _spam, _deleted, and in_timeout. Here's the shadowban one:

                              # hide spammers profile pages
                              if vuser._spam and not vuser.banned_profile_visible:
                                  if (not c.user_is_loggedin or
                                          not (c.user._id == vuser._id or
                                               c.user_is_admin or
                                               c.user_is_sponsor and where == "promoted")):
                                      return self.abort404()

                              [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                              Money is only one way for people to take a stake in their online community.

                              Give them a say with authentic direct democracy, among other bottom-up concepts, and actually let their voices be heard, recognized (without insults), and seen in obvious results and actions.

                              Yes, invested people will actually care, but it's not all about money.

                              [–]iamonlyoneman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                              Maybe if you and the rest of your alt accounts would boost better content the front page would look better?

                              [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                                [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                low quality bait. do better.

                                [–]Airbus320 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                Ok shill

                                [–]pretty_innocuous 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

                                Popularity is the enemy of quality

                                Fuck off, faggot

                                [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                                  [–]pretty_innocuous 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Essentially what you're saying is that we should behave such that Saidit appeals to women, normies and teenagers, yet you don't seem to realize how detrimental that move was a decade ago for the extant Reddit community.

                                  What am I saying; of course you realize! You're an obvious globohomo shill!

                                  [–]tyranicaloverlord 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                  Meh, whatever, welcome to what the internet was before 2005. I love it, let the shit posts fly, let the racists say their bullshit, let the leftists spout their nonsense. We need discourse, it's the only way to move forward.

                                  Kudos to saidit for what they are doing: Anti porn and anti calls to violence.

                                  [–]Anman 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I'm seeing community politics here all the time in posts like these... But somehow... Despite visiting nearly every day. None of this effects me.

                                  So I guess you're just doing it wrong.

                                  Also you have mistaken "ultra right wing" for "less retarded". But this place is still very retarded. Man, the conjoined reddit twins that exist here is sky high tard farming.

                                  [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                                  I only use one account at a time tho and don't hide who I am, although I was behind the joke accounts u/yabut and u/JaysunCarswell. You don't see me logging onto a block of accounts to upvote shit, I only make extra accounts when I'm feeling crazy or to make people laugh.

                                  I also very much try to avoid even accidentally upvoting shit twice.

                                  You fucked up because you don't remember which of your alts are known and which aren't. When I saw so many Socks accounts logging on at once I knew it was nefarious. You're still gambling on people not knowing those are your accounts I guess. The evidence is damning. You even admitted to it in chat.

                                  And here you are still being a shit weasel, trying to weasel your way out. You need to learn to act like a man.

                                  Edited to add screen shot of you confessing if you're going to disparage my character.

                                  [–][deleted]  (7 children)


                                    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                                    Shit weasel, you got caught. You calling me a liar and accusing me is pathetic.


                                    [–][deleted]  (5 children)


                                      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

                                      The issue is you manipulating votes. I'm used to your libtard tactics: gaslight, deny, obfuscate. I just focus you back on the truth.

                                      You need to reflect on your behavior.

                                      [–][deleted]  (2 children)


                                        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                        Calling it a lie doesn't make it a lie. If your views are this warped over being caught red handed manipulating the vote count, you ever stop to think all your other beliefs are similarly ill conceived?

                                        [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Don't forget sealioning too

                                        [–]peety 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

                                        oh noes! i am mean and stupid, oh dear.

                                        [–]SMCAB 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                                        There comes a time in one's life where debating is no longer useful. This comes with age.

                                        You have never, and will never change anyone's opinion, that has to be done on one's own, and it's rare.

                                        Debating is useless. I have no room for it in my life, especially with an establishment leftist, I'd rather stick a rusty butter knife in my jugular vein. It's about the most mind numbing thing one can do. Right and wrong is subjective, like it or not. Debating is a useless tool.

                                        So if that makes me a circle jerker, or wanting an echo chamber, fuck it. I'm here to be mean to establishment leftists. Establishment anyone really. Don't like it? Cry harder, or fuck off, either way you ain't changing shit.

                                        [–]peety 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                        i have not debated much, but sure, there are those whose mind will never be changed. but if speaking to someone, make them question their views. maybe that could help them change their mind on their own. i think most people realize certain truths at different degrees of realization or maybe don't realize at first, but later on experiences changes their view to realize truth and not propaganda.

                                        i'm over 50 and until ~10 years ago, i didn't really have a viewpoint worth speaking of. didn't care. growing up with no guidance can do that to you. now i'm still learning. better late than never.

                                        [–]SMCAB 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Fair enough. Even though you are the anomaly, not the general norm, it makes sense.

                                        I've been balls deep in this shit since I was in my teens, now 43, the rest of my life will be peaceful and drama free, talking to a CNN watching useful idiot about anything doesn't do anything good for the blood pressure. In my world, there is literally no need for it.

                                        Anyone who advocates against their own liberty is useless to the greater good. Throw in the fact OP and his many alts are literally being paid to obfuscate here, what's the point?

                                        [–]iamonlyoneman 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                        • claim to have been here two years
                                        • submit only three posts, ever . . .
                                        • . . . in the one month your account has existed
                                        • cry about lack of quality posts

                                        Fuck off back to reddit, loser

                                        [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

                                        So we are just ignoring the group of paid trolls who consistently do whatever they can to disrupt the site, including posting mean and stupid content? Deliberately?

                                        [–]jet199 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

                                        I can't believe anyone gets paid to troll saidit.

                                        Maybe someone gets paid to run bots.

                                        [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

                                        Yup, they sure do! It's pretty easy to pick them out, they're the ones that post mean and stupid content just to be disruptive. They also defend the power structure against criticism, something nobody would ever do without being paid.

                                        [–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                        something nobody would ever do without being paid.

                                        reddit mods

                                        [–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                        I don't do power structure, that's a woke way of thinking.

                                        [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Nobody would ever defend the US power elite without being paid to do it

                                        [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I might make another website with rules like that, but to tighten the saidit rules to that degree at this point would appear reactive and would go against the original mission we've continued for 5 years

                                        [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                        Not ignoring so much as can't do anything about it beyond what has already been done... I can remove accounts all day but they can just keep making new ones and after 5 years it's at a stalemate as they appear to have infinite time and interest in doing this. I am open to new ideas about how to deal with this if anyone has any

                                        [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                        they appear to have infinite time and interest in doing this.

                                        It's literally their job.

                                        The whole idea is to grind us down and make us abandon what we're doing. Don't let the bastards win. A good step in the right direction would be the "block" function not letting the shills see any of your posts. This would really hurt them, and when they made new accounts, those get blocked too. It would go a long way towards locking them out of shitting on the quality content that Saidit treasures.

                                        [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


                                        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I am open to new ideas about how to deal with this if anyone has any

                                        It's about fucking time to open it up. If it's not already way too late. We've been over all of this before.

                                        This was ALWAYS going to be the problem that will always get worse. It would have been much better to have had a few years of experience under our collective belts on this.

                                        Ethical FOTPACH management for a self-regulating community is the only solution I know of.

                                        Fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest.

                                        Of course now my enthusiasm for SaidIt has gone to shit along with the admin-permitted forum sliding, and many others have already given up, so good luck with your mess and getting your ship right.

                                        [–]Pixietree 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                        I don't think saidit is a right-wing circle jerk, but it does lean a little that way since there isn't any other places to go. I personally lean left, or at least lean towards egalitarianism. There are a lot of right-wing views but there hasn't seemed to be to much closed mindedness (aside from maybe a rew). Also there are "left leaning" people that call out the hypocrisy of "the left". They get labeled as "right wing" and get censored. So there is a chance for well rounded debates to take place. There are idiots everywhere, so there are bound to be some on saidit that have too much time on their hands and shit post a lot. I just wish we had more hobby post and subs outside of politics that reddit had.

                                        [–]Airbus320 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)


                                        [–][deleted]  (12 children)


                                          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

                                          Also, Socks confessed. I can't believe he's still trying to weasel out of it. I know screen shotting chat is bad form, but I had a feeling it would be necessary:

                                          [–][deleted]  (8 children)


                                            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                                            Yes, it's you admitting to vote manipulation.

                                            [–][deleted]  (6 children)


                                              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                                              Moot point really since you have already admitted to it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                              I bet you're kicking yourself for that one. Really puts a damper on your gaslighting.

                                              [–][deleted]  (4 children)


                                                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                                Your behavior after the fact is really a disappointment to me. You are not a victim, you are the perpetrator.

                                                Did you ever consider this is Providence? I never have those logs on usually. Repent, sinner!

                                                [–][deleted]  (2 children)


                                                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                  I have a feeling this is Providence. You getting caught was an act of God. You could see this as an opportunity to improve yourself.

                                                  leave me alone, ffs.

                                                  Leave my favorite forum alone, stop manipulating votes.

                                                  God forbid anyone disappoint you

                                                  Luckily it's pretty hard to do.

                                                  [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                                                  if you want to enjoy debates at Saidit, try not to bully users who have differences in opinion, and Saidit will grow.

                                                  Agreed, plus, argue with sources and citations and rational arguments in good faith - otherwise you may be trapped by sealioning.

                                                  [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                                  [–]Evola 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)


                                                  That's just a buzzword used by the communists who can't answer to reality so have to come up with a name for the Socratic method.

                                                  [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                                                  Clearly you don't know what sealioning means. Anything can be weaponized, even "just asking questions."

                                                  Sealioning - a harassment tactic under the guise of sincerity by trolls in online discussions to pester others with repeated disingenuous questions and persistent requests for evidence for basic claims, aiming to erode the patience and goodwill of targets to make them seem unreasonable.


                                                  [–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                                  Oh yeah that happened to me the other day. I usually just call them a kike at that point and get on with my day.

                                                  It's still communist victim mentality however.

                                                  [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                                  It's got nothing to do with /s/Communism or /s/Victimhood. It's recognizing that someone is a timesuck intentionally wasting your resources and good will with stupid questions and circular banter. Do better than just name-calling, call out their bullshit accurately.

                                                  [–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                  I could never imagine that happening.

                                                  [–]DirewolfGhost 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                                                  You sound mean and stupid, so fuck off.

                                                  [–]PopsicleToes 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                                  I couldn't agree more. I was hoping for more reason and less baiting, put-downs, and name-calling when I came here. That was naive. : /

                                                  There are good topical subs, music subs, etc. but news and politics subs are a hot mess. For having a different view, and for pleading for reason, I got told to eat sh!t. Sigh.

                                                  [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)


                                                  /u/magnora7, the name-calling began the ruin of SaidIt. What happened to the Pyramid Of Debate rules?

                                                  [–]PopsicleToes 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                  Yeah, a reminder of those rules is good now and again. Not that everyone here will be Albert Schweitzer. ; )

                                                  [–]Entropick 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                                                  This would be considered pilpul, correct?

                                                  [–]Evola 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                                  Tone policing is probably more accurate and contemporary but I suppose it would fall under the pilpul umbrella.

                                                  [–]Entropick 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                  Thank you. I'm not angry, I do not hate (them, anybody) but I am very interested in understanding. I can now see how disingenuous manipulation of syntax and semantics are exploited by the special people to cover wrong-doing and twist responsibility back onto the wrong parties.

                                                  [–]blackpoop321 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                                                  Sounds like you just stepped out of your leftoid echo-chamber and discovered the real world with real people. Any platform that doesn't have draconian censorship inevitably turns right-wing.

                                                  [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                  It can sometimes be challenging to walk a centre line without taking sides or to hold a differing opinion without running into conflict, but most here speak freely and honestly. That's to be respected. I like Muskrat, and I like most people I've met here even if some don't like me. So yeah, I agree that we shouldn't encourage bullying, but I don't consider to be Muskrat a bully. Stay chilled and enjoy the occasional shitpost to break up the seriousness of the news and politics subs.

                                                  [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                                  Today I see the lefties complaining this place is too right wing and the righties complaining about a left wing takeover. Both threads are high on the front page. Everyone's being a whiny bitch, so this gives me confidence that this site is striking about the correct centrist, free speech prioritizing balance for my tastes.

                                                  [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                                                    [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                    Meh, we're just a bunch of assholes like everywhere else on the internet.

                                                    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                    Voluntarily mean, if i see fit, i am.

                                                    Stupid people you literally can find anywhere. (What is "stupid" actually, you know ?) So i don't get your point.

                                                    I'm quite radical. But sure as hell not right wing. These are your googles, you're looking through. Not a standard lurker's, so to say.

                                                    Which obviously block your view on finer details.

                                                    That is why you're crying citing some simulation of ((reasons)). Instead of searching for ways, to actually achieve something.

                                                    Like reasonable, hands-on, on-point, non-bullshitters mostly actually do. Which mostly are right-wingers in US. What i can agree on.

                                                    [–]Myocarditis-Man 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                                                    Still better than Reddit, where pointing out what is literally in the news everywhere (that vaccinated officials are still getting Covid) gets comments silently censored. Basically Reddit has become too mainstream, and has mutated into a place where nothing that doesn't kiss corporate/big pharma's ass is quietly suppressed.

                                                    Also, New Reddit (the design) nuff said. Okay, I'll elaberate. Every time I load a page with new Reddit, it feels like the computer is a fat guy struggling to climb the stairs.

                                                    [–][deleted]  (3 children)


                                                      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                                      Socks, you're fucking retarded, and an even worse liar than Rat.

                                                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      Funny, I was just thinking Socks is acting even worse than you too.

                                                      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      Where you been, the covid vaccine was a massive failure. The lockdowns were a massive failure. Everything you advocated for ended up being wrong.

                                                      [–]AntiAlphabetAction 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)


                                                      Cowardly subhuman whose extremist politics already control the whole internet feels like a big man in trying to stamp out the last bits of resistance left. Of course, he really is just a weakling: he has the state, mass media and most of society on his side and yet thinks he's playing a big role in the brave, courageous resistance against an imagined 'fascism'.

                                                      Everyone here knows that the most 'Right-wing' Subsaidits aren't even visible. Of course, socks, i.e. Saidit's biggest subhuman, won't be satisfied until Saidit is a bunch of Sandernista blowhards playing soggy cracker all day long.

                                                      Keep in mind that this subhuman shitheel relishes writing long rants about having Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson and the whole Trump family killed. He's a dangerous, unhinged lunatic who makes actual communists look like conservatives. On top of that, the degenerate fucker has almost certainly contracted a severe case of Schlong Covid by now, adding to his angst.

                                                      Unable to leave home because he has no Covid masks to hide his growing warts, he's taking out his anger on the internet.

                                                      Ban this subversive fucker! (AGAIN!)

                                                      [–]Questionable 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                                      Seems you are demanding a 'safe space' on behalf of 'silent victims' that you 'speak for'.

                                                      Why is anybody entertaining you?

                                                      I've seen dozens of reasonable users come and go in the past 2 years because of the bullies.

                                                      I don't care. People have lives. And to be quite honest, I think you need a punch in the face.

                                                      "saiditter for 3 months"

                                                      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      It's forever socks.

                                                      [–]Rastafoo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      Cry me a river

                                                      [–]ilovewhitepeople 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                      many of us like saidit how it is. not without issues. but some of these faceless accounts have become people whose comments i look forward to reading. if it's not for you, just leave.