Saidit is being infiltrated and manipulated by paid shills. This is how the fall of Reddit started and if we aren't vigilant, the same could happen here.

submitted by EternalSunset from self.SaidIt

There is someone or a group of someones currently doing a concerted effort to manipulate the political views shown in the front page of Saidit. Whoever it is, it is going through a lot of trouble to do that, more than what a mere lost redditor with some spare time would probably be willing to go through. You have probably already seem some of those suspicious and clearly "propped up via alt accounts" posts with far more upvotes than should be expected alreadry, you have also probably noted that all of them are promoting the official narrative that the establishment demands everyone agree with. If you look at the comment section of those, you will also notice that sometimes the sockpuppet account that posted the thing is going through the work of posting several lenghty comments promoting the establishment-approved positions, even when simply confronted with short retorts. This absolutely does not look like the act of some bored democrat on his spare time, but the actions of some kind of organization that doesn't approve of the things that are said in this platform and want to prepare ground for an eventual swift. They want to slowly insert establishment views in the platform so that when the bots take over and this becomes another reddit-style hivemind, it will look somewhat grassroots in hindsight.

Remember: Reddit too used to be about free speech when it launched. They will want to want to infiltrate this place too and do the same here. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (19 children)

Yeah, it's the user formerly known as Socks manipulating the vote. https://i.imgur.com/FvI3LpT.png

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    [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

    Saidit is all I have, the only decent platform I can talk on without catching bans for wrong think. You have every other website catering to your ideology, why fuck with this one?

    look up those accounts in the image

    No need, even if I'm wrong about the details, you admitted to vote manipulation. Obfuscation.

    and his 4 or 5 accounts

    Which would be what exactly?

    because he's upset with me

    Of course I'm upset with you. You're fucking my shit up, dumbass. I can't believe how thoughtless, cowardly, and weasely you managed to behave. And you think you're doing a good thing. You really disappointed me. I think you should just go back to Reddit and leave us alone if you think we're so goddamned horrible and you're somehow the good guy in all this.

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      You are blaming me for your problems

      I'm blaming you for this: https://i.imgur.com/FvI3LpT.png. Your shit weasel tactics don't work here.

      AdmiralBradley, DrJoeBeaver

      Does not exist.

      AmericanBeaver

      Deleted, also obviously me.

      AmericanMuskrat

      Duh. Deleted.

      Dinosaurysus

      Deleted, I only used this when AM was banned.

      SloppyJoeBeaver

      Name got vetoed.

      Perhaps stop bullying me and the responses to your lies will end.

      Pointing out your vote manipulation and shit weaseling is hardly bullying. You're not a victim, you're the perpetrator.

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        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        You're spending the best part of 2 days solely devoted to attacking me

        Not soley, and this is important. How you ever going to stop being a shit weasel unless your bad behavior is pointed out to you.

        I can however provide approximate timestamps in text form

        You're trying to dodge the issue. I am not manipulating any votes. I am not tricking any people by coming on AmericanMuskrat and then SloppyJoeBeaver. I do not act as if they're separate people like you do with yours, talking about yourself in the third person . I am not upvoting anything twice. I am not going in any subs I have been banned from.

        You ARE fucking with the votes. Do you understand how that's wrong yet?

        centrist

        You misspelled libtard.

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          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          You posted an image with several usernames that are unrelated to me. But you know all this. Stop attacking me.

          Nuh uh uh, liar liar pants on fire.

          [–]serial 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

          THIS ENTIRE PROBLEM COULD BE SQUASHED IN TWO SECONDS, EXCEPT THAT THIS MORONS THAT OWN THIS SITE ACTUALLY WANT THIS SITE TO BE USED TO CREATE CHAOS.

          TO AVOID THIS PROBLEM, WHEN SOMEONE SIGNS UP A NEW ACCOUNT... THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO POST IN INTRODUCTIONS SUB... UNTIL THEY ARE ALLOWED INTO THE SITE AS A FULL MEMBER.

          BUT THEN, YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE COMPETENT MANAGEMENT OVERSEEING THE SITE.

          /u/usehername does not qualify as competent management.

          sorry, charlies.

          [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Your caps lock key is stuck on.

          And let's not flame people, honestly that hurts more than helps.

          [–]agent_pecan 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

          This is a good idea

          [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          It is an interesting idea, but who approves people to go from the introductions sub to the rest of the site? If this approval process gets hijacked by shills then the site is over. That's the weak point of it. And also it would slow growth even more. But even with those downsides considered, it might be worth trying on a new website

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          It is an interesting idea, but who approves people to go from the introductions sub to the rest of the site?

          Trusted-team and community.
          AND importantly the trusted-team and community also watches others in the trusted-team for anyone failing to live up to their trust and the site's charter declaring the important values, ethics, goals, etc.

          If this approval process gets hijacked by shills then the site is over.

          Everything in the open. The shills can and will whine all day long, but without effective access they can't subvert it all.

          That's the weak point of it.

          Wrong. The weakness is in inaction, lack of communication, and lack of community input.

          _And also it would slow growth even more.

          Pure speculation.
          Doing something is better than nothing and policy shifts can be retracted if they fail.

          But even with those downsides considered, it might be worth trying on a new website

          Why not try here?

          [–]serial 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          It is an interesting idea, but who approves people to go from the introductions sub to the rest of the site?

          i think that i have suggested this before, and probably my idea got lost in the wash somehow..

          if the OP of a thread had moderator privileges over that thread... and he would have the ability to boot offensive users out of his thread ONLY, then threads would be less chaotic...

          notice the thread that i created using another userid about counseling...

          https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/9ns6/private_counseling_8637037633_call_toll_free/

          notice how a small brigade straight out attacked me... they said fuck you, etc... that simply should not be allowed and it should be the decision of the OP.

          what if the OP could just edit his original post to contain lines that look like this:

          ban /u/magnora7

          ban /u/usehername

          ban /u/jasoncarswell

          and if he put that into the original post then you could have a chrome extension that would hard core remove any comments in that thread that were made by those users.

          your site would rock and roll.

          yes, i am an internet doctor.

          if people did not have the ability to just run around and bully people and to crap all over threads, then people would be free to have intelligent conversations.

          if i run a thread about counseling and i boot you from it, you could always create another thread about counseling and present your view about things.

          as things are, it is impossible for anyone to discuss hot topics because the threads always get bombed by brigades... if you allow the OP to boot offensive users, the bombing will stop.

          [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I like the original idea of having a "newcomer sub" that requires whitelisting to be able to post to the other subs on the site. This is a good idea for a new forum website.

          The "OP bans users individually on each thread" idea isn't as good imo because it just causes censorship and infighting.

          [–]GeorgeCarlin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Are you overdosing your anti-depressants ?

          Or combining drugs in a way, i don't know so far?

          Just asking.

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          This is good but not new.

          We've discussed other ways to filter folks - including having two sites, one for everyone (including asstrolls) that users earn their way onto the second invite-only site for elevated discourse.

          [–]serial 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A BUNCH OF TRUCKERS BLOCK A BRIDGE OR SOMETHING.

          HEY, FORM A CIRCLE OF SEMI TRUCKS AROUND THE SAIDIT OFFICE AND DONT LET NO GLOWIES IN.

          [–]Entropick 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          OHHHHHHHHHH of course it's that person!!!

          [–]zyxzevn 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

          Not just paid shills. There are also activists that come in waves. After a subreddit moves to saidit, the activists that caused the ban of the sub are often following them, because these activists have no life and are insane.

          [–]jet199 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yep, when r/gendercritical moved the ahs crowd came to saidit and created some of their side subs and blocked everyone so they could stop others from creating and using them.

          [–]serial 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          how much do you think i get paid to do this shit? nada. zip. nothing.

          [–]GeorgeCarlin 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Are you insane, a little bit ?

          Going to wallmart and talking to people with your brainsize getting paid at least some slaves wage for it could be the smarter decision here, for a fact.

          Become a greeter today !

          [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          jannies do it for free

          [–]package 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

          As long as the admins don't start spending most of their time in private discord chats circle jerking about their hate for the saidit userbase, there's no need to worry. Unfortunately discord trannies seem very adept at befriending lonely admins and convincing them that sites are better with heavy handed manual curation.

          [–]Insider 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Just started using discord recently. Private chats in discord also get monitored for "fake news". I joined a discord channel for 2 days and it already got kicked off the platform for "pro-Russian" sentiment.

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Ruqqus admins really loved taking some tranny cock

          [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Chat functions are just poison for any kind of site, or channel, or whatever.

          They create a two-tier system, where the terminally online can gather and jerk it to their fantasies of being the creator's special friend. The site's regular users don't have time for this shit because they have lives. The terminally online don't, though. After a while anyone who's in the discord is the ingroup and everyone else is the outgroup, the enemy. It creates a system where the chat server users don't like anyone who's in their little tiny group, and since they have unlimited time, it's the most important thing in their empty lives.

          [–]iamonlyoneman 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

          I keep seeing these doom and gloom posts from users who almost never submit anything

          IF you don't like what's on the front page, submit more quality content.

          Also: bully stupid people mercilessly.

          [–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

          There's more than one way to participate on SaidIt beyond just posting content. Reading, voting, commenting, supporting, and caring are a few.

          I always appreciate rarer deep insights over endless bloviating ad nauseum.

          [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Granted, but comments don't get your post on the front page.

          [–]serial 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          i have a new recipe for mac and cheese.. after the noodles have sopped up the water, add elmers glue and just a pinch of brake fluid to give it a spicy twist.

          best served with your favorite alcoholic beverage during the holidays.

          enjoy.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yum, post in s/cooking

          [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

          Also: bully stupid people mercilessly.

          I actually agree with this as the correct alternative to silencing people. Well said.

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Smart people don't have time to waste on bullying stupid people - and who decides who's smart or stupid?

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          All people are capable of being an asshole.

          [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I do. Just ask me, if you have any doubts of someone's intelligence.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Now I know.
          Knowing is half the battle.

          [–]x0x7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          The fact that there are no downvotes is going to give them a hard time. They might be the same people that took over notabug. There they have infinite downvotes and with bots they've have been able to monopolize the site. On Saidit they won't have a silenced opposition.

          If they are the same as notabug I can tell you they work for pfizer more than any other client. Nothing pulls out the big guns like a damning discussion about Pfizer with facts, data, and academic backing. They attack sites with one twentieth of their resources trying to make it look plausible that they are just normal users. But put Pfizer in a pickle and they are willing to sacrifice that.

          [–]GeorgeCarlin 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

          Just stop stop inhaling that much glue and grow some balls.

          These guys will loose interest. No control of impulses on their end whatsoever because they hack themselves in their echo-chambers with short feedback-loops 24/7.

          A boxing match usually isn't won in one round, if i remember correctly.

          [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          These guys will loose interest.

          It's literally their job to post here. Interest has nothing to do with it.

          Why would anyone deliberately try to cast doubt that one of the leading Reddit clones has paid shills here to disrupt the site? Defending the interests of the powerful? Who does that, unless money has changed hands?

          [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          I think some people also don't want to believe it's true, because that would mean they've been reading shill opinions without realizing it and taking them as actual opinions. Fully realizing this is kind of a worldview shift if you've spent years reading forums. The denial is strong. It's like people who watch WWE wrestling don't want to hear how it's fake, even though deep down they probably know it is.

          The entertainment value of forums is diminished if one fully realizes half the comments are equivalent to reading a paid commercial billboard, and that forums are no longer the organic thoughtful places they once were. Letting go of the ideal of the internet as a window of worldwide communication and instead seeing it as a massive propaganda network, is a large very un-fun thing to realize, and some people are trying to hit the snooze button on that realization because they're still getting some enjoyment out of it yet.

          I think this natural psychological mechanism is working neatly alongside all the gaslighting shills and people who are paid to defend the interests of the powerful. It's like 50/50

          [–]SneakyBishop 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

          Some people are getting paid to post? I'm doing this wrong!

          [–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Top post already botted

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          It has been like this for for a couple of days now. It's always 20-something fake upvotes.

          [–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          So just how do you get a job as a paid shill? I have never seen a want ad for a "paid shill". How much do paid shills get paid?

          [–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          So what you seem to be saying here is that if we want to make sure our protected class of free speech warriors are kept safe, we need to gatekeep Saidit and shut down viewpoints that disagree with ours.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          shut down viewpoints that disagree with ours

          That's the extremist anti-censorship straw-man always used when basic custodial site management is required.

          The obvious bullshit response to that bullshit is, "So I guess you want child porn and advocating violence to run rampant here until this site is shut down?"

          The real matter at hand is NOT about different viewpoints.
          The real matter at hand is unfair BAD FAITH manipulators, deceivers, and liars.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          What we seem to be discussing here is the requirement of boundaries. The limits to what are acceptable seem pretty clear in the site rules, and nobody in their right mind would expect unlawful behaviour to be permitted. But to consider advocating shutting down bad faith comments that do not breach the rules is authoritarian and in breach of freedom of speech. You sir have every right to lie to me and insult me, for example, as you would in the real world. But do so, and you lose the respect of your peers. What point is there in public witch hunts if bad faith manipulators bring themselves into disrepute?

          [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Yeah, but who decides? At what point does the 'bad faith' label get turned into a cudgel? Remember when the term 'Nazi' referred only to people were actual neo nazis?

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Start with the worst ones that are prolific and obvious. Force them to distribute themselves across many aliases that inherently have less karma, longevity, and trust.

          This isn't about name-calling Nazis.

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I am in favor of free speech if it is some real user just disagreeing with the common opinion. When it is an obvious astroturf campaign like this though, then I think the site admins should take a look at things and make sure there aren't people manipulating the votes.

          [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Fair enough

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            [–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

            Blocking may work for the user in the short term but it will slide the forum disastrously.

            [–]serial 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

            hey, lets surround the saidit headquarters with semi mack trucks.

            sooner or later they will understand that we mean business.

            [–][deleted]  (17 children)

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              [–]GeorgeCarlin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              They are just dickheads. They don't understand what fascism actually is, mostly. Trying to slide in- and out of your ass quite brutally showing most of their personal weaknesses in the process.

              Because they don't know about methods actually getting anything heavier than a gnat to move itself.

              If you let them move you, maybe you've become a gnat.

              [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              All users should be informed. The reason why should be substantiated with proof. There should be like a trial.

              I've been saying this for yeaaaaaaaaaars.

              magnora7 doesn't want it because there'd be drama. Yes obviously. But have all the drama contained in /s/TownSquare or whatever you want to call it. Let the coliseum maniacs leer and cheer as they see fit. They can try to influence and skew the results but only the trusted-team would have the ultimate arbitration - with EVERYTHING IN THE OPEN. Meanwhile let the other subs live in more peace and tranquility.

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                [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                Agreed.

                There used to be more discipline from admins on this site, and generally any disputable problems and drama were from the lack of openness and clarity from magnora7. Things are now worse and less clear, again by his choices and lack of clarity, openness, and communication.

                We have and we do witch-hunts for the community to call out bad actors - and we should be prepared for them, whether rightly or wrongly accused. It can all come out, and users who have earned the trust or distrust of others will weigh in, and no matter how many bots and sockpuppets try they won't be able to penetrate authentic views with all their individual pros and cons. We need open "witch-hunts" in the /s/TownSquare but they need to be FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest). Whether it's justifiably getting bad-faith socks finally banned - or the other day Muskrat, HongKongPhooey, and SmokeDaddy in the worst ways chased off an innocent new friend I'd finally brought to SaidIt chat.

                First I've heard of /s/Houston. There are rules for folks who want to squat on their own sub. Power to them. There are many kinds of subs.

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I'm certain that calling for the Spanish inquisition is not going to have quite the virtuous effect as per your intent. Holding public trials is a bizarre response to disapproving of other users behaviour. It would have the effect of people self-censoring to avoid your wrath of public shaming.

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                  [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  Call the witch-hunts whatever you like, but some folks need to be publicly dealt with for lack of any other online tools or community power. Importantly, with open, transparent, logical, rational, and fair moderation of the "trial" people can not only learn better ways to analyze and react, but it also lets folks know what's going on, how they need to behave, and sets examples for more that inevitably sure to follow.

                  I don't give a fuck about trannies. Where did you get that stupid idea? From them? Musk, Usher, socks, weegs, Ed, and others can't be trusted. HKP and Smoke can, so far.

                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                  Fascism is the only correct way to run things, PRECISELY for these reasons. Imagine the Nazis had won WW2, would the soviets be subverting them? NOT A CHANCE. The USA? Done deal.

                  [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  More top-down corruption is not what we need.

                  Power to the people from the bottom-up is the only fair solution - and obviously it has to anticipate that half of everyone is stupider than average and as a whole everyone is much less corrupt than the ruling class who will try to infiltrate and subvert all bottom-up efforts.

                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Fascism is a political philosophy that precludes top-down corruption, but it can only work well in homogeneous divisions. The bottom-up approach has the same problem: unless you have homogeneity, you have harm to a significant part of the population. So the bottom-up approach works if you have tiny (neighborhood sized) political divisions, whereas fascism codifies that which would have been voted from the bottom up into law and order. These are very close to the same thing.

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                    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                    Horrux is a sincere Quebecois Nazi.

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                      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      I do not condone harm to people. Fascism is the least harmful of political systems.

                      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      Huey Long almost saved the USA from communist subversion. He was taken out.

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                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Huey Long

                        Was in a political office of Georgia and ran for POTUS about 90 years ago or so. Seemed to be a shoo-in for the job, but got taken out by a "LONE GUNMAN". He was a perfect Fascist, the kind that makes nations great.

                        [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

                        All that does is prevent you from seeing the shill's posts. It doesn't prevent the shill from disrupting conversations, which is their job.

                        [–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                        Allowing free speech for all means having to suffer the unfortunate consequence of having your conversation disrupted. Figure out a way so that you can ignore them or do better than them instead of turning into a butthurt Reddit jannie.

                        [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Speech that destroys free speech is the paradox of tolerance. We must not tolerate that which has as its goal the elimination of tolerance.

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                          [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

                          The fix is for saidit admins to hand out some IP bans to the worst offenders

                          [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          The worst offenders have infinite IPs, unique with every page request, that are not bound to any range or subnet. So IP bans are happening to them, even to entire ranges of IPs, but it accomplishes basically nothing, because they just make another completely different one.

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                            [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                            If anyone is honestly gaming points on a website where points run the show, they should be shut down regardless of what site or political leanings are involved.

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                              [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                              I'm not on reddit because reddit is obnoxiously left-leaning.

                              And no, I don't see how banning literally bots and shills is a problem.

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                                [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                Refer to your own username

                                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                                I get a new IP addy when I restart my router.

                                [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                                They could ban everyone from your ISP, that would be fun eh?

                                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                                That bans half of Houston.

                                [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                A sacrifice I'm willing to make

                                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                                Banning a million people to ban me also bans potential existing and future users in the area.

                                [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                                Houston is rubbish anyway

                                [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                                You can easily tell who's a shill and who's not: are you attacking the real posters and disrupting conversations, trying to distract from the real issues? Easy.

                                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                                Idk, you seem to think I'm one of the bad ones pretty often.

                                [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                If you do what the paid posters are doing, is there really any difference if money has changed hands or not?

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                                  [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                  Oh look, it's one of the paid posters.

                                  [–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

                                  It's so funny and kind of pathetic that you think, that it is crucial to the operation and running of the world's most powerful nations, for someone to sit on this 25-member Q-adjacent reddit clone debunking y'all's right wing grifter conspiracies. Leaning more towards pathetic than funny actually

                                  [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

                                  Actually, it is. One of the lessons learned from the Trump tragedy of 2016 is that they have to crush dissident voices early, before they can get a chance to start. Social media giants had all of the records, so all they had to do was press "rewind". Then they got to see what had happened. It started small, and grew as things got popular and people invited their friends.

                                  Best to crush it early, when it's small. And send people to throw doubt on the entire idea in the first place. Conspiracy? Yeah, like the conspiracy between the Democrats and the media to elect Hillary...oh wait that really happened. Like the conspiracy by the CDC to lie to us for Democrat political gain...oh wait that really happened.

                                  [–]Site_rly_sux 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

                                  Ok let's explore that thought a bit further if you don't mind.

                                  1. Let's say you work at a social media company. What exactly are you doing that could be described as "press rewind". Is someone at saidit comparing the (incredibly high) quality of conversation here, against the (equally highbrow) quality of 2016 discourse that was taking place at other companies?

                                  2. Do you think, for every single grouping of 25 member Q-adjacent Reddit clones,.someone is doing that analysis? And there're spies/fake conversationalists in each of them?

                                  3. What are we doing over here that's so dangerous to the establishment? Talking about vaccine denialism isn't helping prevent covid jabs which all happened in 2021. Seriously what is this thing happening over here which is causing such alarm bells within the establishment? And what is the establishment doing here to silence those alarms? By engaging people in text conversation?

                                  4. Why was trump so damaging to the democrat conspiracy, again? Is it because he showed everyone it was ok to be racist, then tried to sell nukes to Saudis? Was that the thing which the democrats had to scramble all bombers against?

                                  5. If the conspiracy was in order to elect hilary then why was she suddenly unimportant in 2020 election? Why wasn't Joe Biden the 2016 conspiracy candidate?

                                  6. Dare I even ask why you think the CDC lied for partisan gain? Wouldn't that be an instant sacking for the CDC spokesperson involved if you could prove it?

                                  Dude to be honest it sounds like you have such high opinion of your own importance to the establishment...like the saucy daily mail stories, Syrian regime propaganda, and people pretending to understand science over here, are such a massive threat to the establishment. It IS cringe. And it's more cringe when you double down

                                  [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                                  socks, at least your alt /u/Site_rly_sux can be trusted to improve SaidIt.

                                  /s

                                  [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

                                  you have such high opinion of your own importance to the establishment...

                                  If I wasn't inconvenient, I wouldn't be the target of so much harassment.

                                  How is it you seem to have a perfect memory of what every poster posts here? Weird, eh?

                                  [–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

                                  If I wasn't inconvenient, I wouldn't be the target of so much harassment.

                                  If you did post such stupid shit, people wouldn't call you out on it, you mean

                                  How is it you seem to have a perfect memory of what every poster posts here?

                                  Chipit there are like 24 people here not including me. And some of them are unforgettable. Seriously, u/raven9 tried to back up his arguments by linking me to a serb ethnonationalist fake news blog that was in the middle of a long series covering an alien invasion of earth. I won't be forgetting that.

                                  Weird, eh?

                                  I am happy to video chat with anyone on this site. You can look at me, talk to me, I will even show you around my house. And we can have a live video debate about whether the CIA are really here to study the deep commentary on daily mail stories like "sex doll washes up on beach"

                                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  the CIA are really here to study the deep commentary on daily mail stories like "sex doll washes up on beach"

                                  Oh fuck, I'm going to prison aren't I

                                  It wasn't me posting those things CIA! It was Russian Hax0rz!

                                  [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

                                  Chipit there are like 24 people here not including me.

                                  How is it that you have such detailed statistics on the users? Keeping a wiki behind the scenes?

                                  Weird, eh? Who does that? Who has the resources to create a tool like that?

                                  [–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                                  Incredible detail! Inhuman levels of detail! Noone could say there were 25 people unless they were keeping meticulous records, right, chipit?

                                  [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                                  I find it remarkable that statistics are being gathered in the first place. Who would invest such effort into a tool that does this? A social media influencer company, perhaps?

                                  [–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                                  A tool! XD

                                  A room sized supercomputer? A server farm? Amazon Web services CIA contract sites? A noa weather processing system?

                                  Or just me talking shit about there being very few people? No - site_sux can't just be making up a number, it has to be the feds. Think, chipit. Which Federal agency is in charge of talking shit about stupid daily mail boards and making up lowball numbers. Didn't Q say that was the dept of energy? It must be the doe right?

                                  [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                                  Where'd you get the accurate number from? A tool created to scrape the site and generate statistics is just the ticket. Who paid for the coders to create the tool?

                                  [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I think it's possible that some professor who is so inculcated in thier echo chamber that they developed the genuine belief that thier ideology is grounded in reality has ventured outside that echo chamber in the belief that they could defend those beliefs in the open.

                                  That sort of thing is exceedingly rare, but possible. I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. As long as they are making some kind of argument they should be treated as genuine.

                                  This is a good thing. It keeps this place from becoming an echo chamber itself. I think everyone should post content they don't agree with, but is the best argument they can find. Then rip it to shreds.