new & returning users and auto-mod of posts from new accounts

submitted by panel30 from self.SaidIt

Noticed this so I thought I may as well make a post about this:

Posts from new accounts are auto-removed in a lot of subs. It doesn't explain to the poster what happened. When this happened to this account I had to ask in chat to figure out what was going on, and it was confusing and took some time. I used to post here but I've been away a while so I didn't realize about the auto-mod thing, and I thought I just couldn't post.

Maybe this process can be improved somehow so it's clear to new or returning users what's going on? Eg maybe the automoderator could send a message "automatically removed bc new acct, pls message for manual approval" or something.

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[–]HongKongPhooey 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yes, this should really be improved. People don't realize their posts are being pulled, and it really should notify you. Iirc s/news and s/politics are karma gated at 100, but most of them arent

Unfortunately I don't think this is likely to happen. The source code is archived, site owner Magnora7 seems uninterested in investing any more time in Saidit, and he has alienated the users who were able and inclined to help

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AutoModerator can already send notifications. If you're not getting them it means the sub's mods chose not to use them.

[–]HongKongPhooey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AutoModerator can already send notifications. If you're not getting them it means the sub's mods chose not to use them.

Ahh interesting, didn't realize that, never actually gotten a notification on my alt accounts. It still seems like a strange thing to allow a sub on s/all to pull peoples posts without telling them its being pulled and why

[–]panel30[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I just figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it. It's nice to see someone else has noticed this too.

does anyone know when and why the source code was archived? was it automatic due to lack of commits or was it done on purpose?

[–]HongKongPhooey 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Usually a repository is archived when the owner no longer plans to maintain the code, I doubt it was for inactivity as there is some activity right before it was archived just a couple months ago

https://github.com/libertysoft3/saidit

I see the last merge/pull request appears to be from a handle I recognize as belonging to admin Vulptex, so he's your best bet if you want more info

[–]panel30[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Ah ok. Thanks.

/u/Vulptex? If you want to answer and have information, do you know why the saidit source was archived?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The owner of the repository quit helping saidit. The owner of saidit itself won't use git at all for some reason. In fact the last few commits have not been applied yet because he insists on copying & pasting everything manually. He seems paranoid about breaking changes, but I doubt any new code would lead to anything super serious that can't be reverted (but that's why you have backups on the VERY off chance it does), and copying and pasting leads to inconsistencies and is actually more error-prone.

[–]panel30[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Oh. Thanks for the reply. Interesting. So it's at least a little more active than it looks.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Not at the moment. The owner of saidit hasn't been on at all in months. I don't know why, he said he's been traveling a lot so maybe he got a new job or something. But he does still use reddit occasionally.

[–]panel30[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh. Well nevermind more active. I guess I was being hopeful.

We could always fork to a new repos if we wanted to develop it more actively right and work with a repos that isn't archived? Since whoever it belonged to has archived it?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, but I don't know when we'll be able to actually get the site updated.

Also, my last batch of commits is faulty, and I warned them not to use it. I added more advanced IP tracking, but the only method I could figure out was logging the user's IP on EVERY request. That's going to fill up the database real quick and slow everything down. What I need is a way to only update the IP's last-accessed time instead of adding a whole new entry every time. But with the way it's set up I know of no way to read the logs, only write to them. Another thing that would be good is to drop the IPs after a certain amount of time, but I don't know of a way to do that either.

[–]panel30[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, but I don't know when we'll be able to actually get the site updated.

Hm, ok.

You all do a lot of IP tracking huh? Gee. It would be nice to find a way to make things more workable with less of that, just for everyone's safety. I guess you do that for DDOS protection? It does sound hard to be able to read or edit the logs without being able to read or edit the logs.

It sounds like things are under development then? People might like to know how the development is going. Maybe people would even want to help.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AutoModerator is capable of making both replies and PMs when removing something. If a sub isn't making use of that it's something you'll have to take up with the mods.