Saidit is now Unusable

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The Cloudflare issue has been ongoing now for a ridiculous duration. A simple post can sometimes require confirmation to access the post, confirmation to post, then confirmation to visit another sub.

Users are less frequent, spam is increasing. I'm tempted not to hang around much longer.

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[–]Drewski 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

These are all valid points, magnora7 has said Saidit has been under attack since it's creation. Look what's happened to other free speech platforms like notabug, ruqqus, and voat to name a few. I think bad actors will go after any free speech site.

I hope these issues can be fixed or mitigated, but some of it comes with the territory. For that reason I'm going to stick around as long as I can, and I hope you do too, but definitely understand if you don't.

[–]EternalSunset 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

For the record, Ruqqus was destroyed from within by its own admins because they got sweet-talked by the literal tranny that owns drama.net into granting him admin privileges and letting him nuke all of the mgtow, incel and nazi communities.

[–]Drewski 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

carpathianflorist was a bad actor, case in point.

[–]Goingoutforawalk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fuck fascists and marxists.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

so you oppose free speech.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is free speech to say "Fuck fascists and marxists."

But you knew that already.

[–]Goingoutforawalk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I oppose those ideologies as deceit and murder is part of the fabric of them.

[–]Mastermustard09 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, fascists are friendly. We tried to save the world. You have been misled by jews.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this attack has been going on from inception then why is the cloudflair problem new?

If the cloudflair problem is shutting down the site what is the piont? Either way the site gets shut down. This way is just slower.

Cloudflair is one of the bad guys. Just like antivirus software manufacturers write viruses to justify their existence so does cloudflair ddos websites. They are run by jews and are anti free speech.

[–]Fuck_magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Many of the abundant issues could have been mitigated if the community was included in its own destiny. Self-regulation and invested stakes would compel people to actually give a shit about this place rather than just use and abuse another free platform. Instead the owner's ego pissed away all the promise and potential this site ever had. Sad.

It's time for another new private platform, preferably decentralized, where users must establish themselves by first earning their cred on sites like SaidIt - then be admitted to the next new tier.

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hey Jason. You are missed, dude.

[–]TheMaharishi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can't just lay down and die. Then all of a sudden peddos are flagging rainbows in schools and brainwashing/mutilating/drugging/grooming kids.

So few people are sane today. Have to reload the page to post and waiting a few seconds here and there. Is not much of a price to pay for free speech.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

u/magnora7 please turn down the security, this is seriously killing the site.

[–]Mastermustard09 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

He is doing it on purpose. FUCK MAGNORA7

[–]Fuck_magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole point of this website is to read. And to comment. Both have been sufficiently disrupted.

Commenting is now hard.

And the bot posts are many.

[–]RR_2023 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

For me it is the error when posting or commenting. I guess the session times out. I copy things to the clipboard anyway, or notepad when more fields are needed. Not a deal killer for me but a little annoying.

[–]Bigs 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, I will typically right-click a few threads and then read through. By the time I go to comment on anything get this shit: "an error occurred (status: 403)"

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, I just don't get how the session can be under a minute.

[–]neolib 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As I understand for exactly 5 minutes since last passed check you can post/comment/click saidit links.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems to affect me at a more frequent rate.

[–]EternalSunset 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The sockpuppet bots are completely out of control as well.

[–]binaryblob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

It seems to me that there are less than 10 real users on the website, because those are the ones commenting. How hard can it be to add exceptions for a small number of users that are obviously human? I am not saying everyone in this thread is, but I am.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This is exactly what should be done. The question now becomes why is it not being done?

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Probably because it's just a propaganda channel and the real human posting users are only in the way or only have a role to give credibility to the majority of bots. I also consider you an obvious bot. No person talks like you do.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Beep boop fuck you

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Am I wrong?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Oh Binary Blob, listen well,
Your facts seem to strangely compel.
But they're wrong, I must say,
In a humorous way,
Like a tale that no logic can spell!

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Bot with human operator that uses ChatGPT?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just a guy who is smarter than you and it threatens your ego so you invented a narrative that makes you feel better.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's incredibly unlikely for you to be smarter than me. How about you answer the following easy question then: how would you demonstrate most efficiently to someone that you are way smarter than the average person without relying on an IQ test?

Bonus question: how would you demonstrate being the smartest person on the planet?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's incredibly unlikely for you to be smarter than me.

smarter than I

how would you demonstrate most efficiently to someone that you are way smarter than [them]

Correct their grammar.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But how do we know you are? AI is pretty smart now... ;)

Clicks "Save"... "an error occurred (status: 403)"

Yeah I see your point.. ffs..

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

😮

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Mm

[–]jerkwad152 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd be willing to deal with a few more spambots if it meant I didn't have to do a captcha every other page. Hell, I'd be willing to help moderate them. I have a bit of time to kill.

[–]EternalSunset 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bots don't even care about the cloudflare captchas, there are plenty of tools out there to bypass that stuff automatically.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Come visit Rabbit Hole. I went for PhpBB because I didn't want to do the exact same thing that Saidit does i.e. fill a different niche. But I made it for the community, so I will listen to your input regarding what software you would like it to use, how it's run, etc. If it gains traction, I will make a bunch of you mods. It'll be a community run by us collectively. From what I understand, a couple of users here prefer a link aggregator over a BBS. Maybe we can have a vote for that some time. But for the time being, we can just use the site the way it is because it's functional and doesn't have Cloudflare BS.

How do you feel about the chatbox on this website? Maybe we can use some qwebirc instance to connect to the same IRC network so we can keep using that. Or should we setup an alternative chat as well?

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Looks like an incel forum

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, those are bot posts, I should clean that up.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Try typing a long comment. It always times out and you have to copy your text and repost. Where are you going? I'd love to join you and bring my subverses with me.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I block 10 to 20 new bots per day. I open 2 tabs when I want to post in case I get a 403. It is easy to work around the issues. Grow a pair of balls.

[–]NutterButterFlutter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's the spam that gets to me. It's annoying to have to click through Cloudflare to verify, but if it helps keep the site afloat, I'll just deal with it.

But the obnoxious amount of spam is the worst. I spend more time reporting it than actually browsing the site or reading posts anymore. That's going to kill our growth more than anything, no one new will want to try out a site infested with spam bots.

The admins are removing spam, I can see that in modlogs, but the fact they can't ban or shadowban the accounts is frustrating.

[–]Mastermustard09 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the fact that cloudflare stuff is driving off users and isnt even stopping the bot spam is infuriating. u/magnora7 fuck u

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest, we don't even know how much spam there'd be without Cloudflare, this may be the tip of the iceberg. He has dealt with it for years and every time he talks about it, it becomes clear the situation is much worse than the average user realizes. Some gratitude is also apt.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The spam is a GOOD thing. They wouldn't be spamming if they didn't think Saidit was worth it.

Spam is a mild annoyance. Apartments in Mumbai? Who cares? The paid posters trying to wreck the site are the real threat.

[–]Thinger 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's like saying getting infested with fleas is a good thing because all the itching makes for a good cardio workout.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, when you've got something good the world wants a piece of it. Spammers don't spend time on worthless websites.

[–]package 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The spam issue is getting ridiculous; it's not even sophisticated spam and could easily be resolved with a domain blacklist. Shit like "newsadvertisment.com"

[–]SheKnowsWhatAllKnow 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When jews cry.

GAIA

[–]Fuck_magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck this place and especially fuck magnora7.

[–]gosso920 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Always has been.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know about you, but when I tried the site today the Cloudflare DOS was gone. No captcha.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Still affecting me today 😔

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you click on a user name to open another window that reverifies something

then you close that window and click save again on your posting

[–]laojun 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Phew, I thought my WiFi was playing tricks on me! 😅 Hope the Saidit squad is on the case. Anybody got the 411 on other chill platforms while we wait for the fix?

[–]lambdawinner829 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Haha, I feel that WiFi struggle! 📡🤣 While the Saidit squad works its magic, why not explore some other cool gaming platforms? There's a whole world of gaming waiting for you discover, play, and enjoy the downtime!

[–]yammersmiths575 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

hahahah experiencing the same thing. 😅 Wish there was something to keep us entertained while they fix the site. Any go-to favorites you'd recommend diving into for some distraction during this downtime? let me know.

[–]lambdawinner829 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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