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[–]magnora7 38 insightful - 14 fun38 insightful - 13 fun39 insightful - 14 fun -  (63 children)

The irony of someone who supports physical_removal, crying about having their sub removed. It's your own ideology come to life! You should therefore support my actions. But that irony aside...

There has been plenty of discussion about why, ad nauseum.

"didn't feel like talking to a guy like you."

Pretty certain I never said anything like that.

Physical removal is removed for advocating violence ("Let's throw gays and communists out of helicopters, so to speak." being a central meme), and coontown is also removed for advocating violence. ("Black people are just the worst and shouldn't exist, and we should probably hang them" being a central meme)

You seem more upset you can't set up little mod fiefdoms than you actually are upset about your information being limited.

The issue has been explained to you. The community doesn't really support you. What are you even trying to accomplish here? If you want to hate black people and gays so bad that you need to make a whole sub about it, just go to voat. Seriously.

We have banned 5 subs in 16 months, so this idea it's "worse than reddit" in terms of censorship is just laughable.

[–]Troll[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

The irony of someone who supports physical_removal, crying about having their sub removed.

However, I am for free speech. I'm just at the understanding that the left isn't someone you debate with, like how you don't debate someone trying to kill you. You don't debate ISIS on why what they're doing is wrong, because they don't care.

Pretty certain I never said anything like that.

Or close enough. You certainly didn't want to talk about it (and made some other statement very much against the Holy Pyramid of Debate).

Physical removal is removed for advocating violence ("Let's throw gays and communists out of helicopters, so to speak." being a central meme)

Physical_Removal was for the legalization of State actions against treasonous and dangerous people in this country. And, no, gays were not anybody we focused on other than the weirdos who dress in S&M in public and such.

Anyways, Communists are not people.

and coontown is also removed for advocating violence. ("Black people are just the worst and shouldn't exist, and we should probably hang them" being a central meme)

Coontown had excellent policies against calls to violence, and this was admitted by two CEOs of reddit. Furthermore, it was not against the existence of all blacks. We even had a few blacks who agreed with us, and many of us were Thomas Sowell fans.

You seem more upset you can't set up little mod fiefdoms than you actually are upset about your information being limited.

I am upset that my information is being limited. Physical Removal, IMO, is the most important cause one can undertake in today's society. Coontown was good old fashioned trollish racism and crime statistics/stories.

We have banned 5 subs in 16 months, so this idea it's "worse than reddit" in terms of censorship is just laughable.

Of all the subreddits you have banned with political purposes, how many were leftists?

ShitRedditSays, for example, certainly ruined more lives than Coontown did. /r/Anarchism has called for violence plenty of times, including telling people to bring firecrackers to "protests" which actually did happen the following day. FuckTheAltRight is full of calls to violence.

We have banned 5 subs in 16 months, so this idea it's "worse than reddit" in terms of censorship is just laughable.

Of those 16 months, very few of those had any worthwhile traffic to speak of, and they were banned for reasons obviously untrue as stated previously.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

FuckTheAltRight is full of calls to violence.

Yup and it would be banned if it came to saidit, for the same reasons coontown and physical_removal were banned.

[–]Troll[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

What a non-statement. Both those subs had, at most, like 2-3 submissions. It's not the left-wing ones you ban, though. And you were the sole moderator of boht PR and CT, last I checked. So how did they even come to saidit if nobody was posting in them? So why a different standard?

You want to tell me who you voted for in 2016?

[–]Zombi 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

Please provide an example of left leaning subs calling form violence and I'm sure magnora7 would ban it.... You act like there's some conspiracy against you lol.

[–]Troll[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

[–]Benedict 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

That's not this site. You expect the SaidIt admins to ban a Reddit sub?

[–]Troll[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh man. Comment of the fucking year.

[–]Benedict 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

So does that mean "Yes, you expect them to ban a sub on another site?"

[–]Troll[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, the point is that they're banning subreddits here because they were banned on reddit.

[–]Zombi 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I thought this was a pretty clear question, but as with everything else you seem to just loving muddying the waters. Do you have any proof of left leaning subs on saidit calling for violence? Reddit is a different site, so citing their users as a reflection of ours is a little misleading.

This is a very, very simple issue to solve. If there are calls for violence on left leaning subs within saidit that have yet to be banned then /u/magnora7 is a hypocrite. If the calls to violence seem to be only an issue within your subs, then maybe it's something YOU'RE doing if multiple websites keep banning the type of communities you tend to build.

You ever have that thought? That maybe, just maybe, you're not some helpless victim? That maybe it's not the entire world out to get you? You ever wonder if there's a slim chance that it might just be you who's the asshole? Man, what a world that would be... It's just so hard to picture a reality in which you, of all people, might actually be in the wrong.

[–]Troll[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Do you have any proof of left leaning subs on saidit calling for violence?

Does Magnora have any proof of the banned subreddits here doing that, too?

Are you a moron? Honest question.

You ever have that thought? That maybe, just maybe, you're not some helpless victim? That maybe it's not the entire world out to get you? You ever wonder if there's a slim chance that it might just be you who's the asshole? Man, what a world that would be... It's just so hard to picture a reality in which you, of all people, might actually be in the wrong.

You're a limp-wristed faggot leftist. I bet you're not even 18 year thinking you know it all, too. If you're over 18 then I'd be ashamed for your sake.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're a limp-wristed faggot leftist.

Are you a moron?

Please respect the pyramid of debate, this is warning 2.5 because I'm being lenient. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

One more infraction where you are dragging the quality of discussion down the pyramid of debate and you're banned from the site.

[–]happysmash27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/Troll, please respect the pyramid of debate. This debate should be finished, and not ruined due to a lack of self-control resulting in your ban :( . I can even help review your comments if you like.

[–]happysmash27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Does Magnora have any proof of the banned subreddits here doing that, too?

You are right, that /u/Magnora7 really should have proof; I agree with this point.

Are you a moron? Honest question.

People usually don't get themselves tested for this, so I doubt /u/Zombi can actually answer.

You're a limp-wristed faggot leftist. I bet you're not even 18 year thinking you know it all, too. If you're over 18 then I'd be ashamed for your sake.

This is completely unfounded as well as extremely low on the pyramid. Are you trying to get banned, maybe as ammo against SaidIt?

[–]Zombi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I totally agree that proof should be provided for those that haven't seen it. I've seen the posts/memes magnora7 is referring to, so I don't really need it, but I do think it would be nice to have some in the future.

[–]Zombi 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Does Magnora have any proof of the banned subreddits here doing that, too?

I, personally, don't need any as I've seen the memes/posts he's referring to on those subs, but I'm sure if you really wanted proof he would be able to find evidence. Since they're banned I can't go look. Nice job avoiding the question, btw. Here it is again: Do you have any proof that left leaning subs on saidit are making calls for violence yet still aren't banned?

Such a simple question that you've repeatedly failed to answer. So weird how your giant galaxy brain can't answer it.

You're a limp-wristed faggot leftist. I bet you're not even 18 year thinking you know it all, too. If you're over 18 then I'd be ashamed for your sake.

Considering you're literally named "Troll" I just find the irony of this comment so goddamn sweet. Thank you so much for this lmfao!

[–]Troll[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Just a reminder to anybody reading this: magnora7 created /s/coontown and /s/physicalremoval (not the correct /s/physical_removal) and banned them under them "being here," but gives left-leaning subreddits a different approach.

Who DID you vote for in 2016?

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I didn't make them, I took ownership over them after the original creator was banned as a troll.

[–]Troll[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'd have been more than happy to take them off your hands.

What kind of trolling was he doing? Disagreeing?

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

He was creating 50 subs that were all hyper-controversial content, both far-left and far-right, and used a script to do it in an automated way that bypassed our original rule of only one sub per week. Far more than just disagreeing, it was a targeted attack

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd like to see the evidence of him being a troll.

Other than him disagreeing with you

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The original creator registered 50 subs with an automated script, and they were all extremist subs both left and right. That's more than disagreeing with me

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

About /r/Anarchism, I believe /s/Anarchism is actually a private sub on this site, so I wouldn't say it's supported too much as a group (rather than an ideology, which itself often does not advocate for violence. The group though, can be pretty bad. )

On to some other points:

I'm just at the understanding that the left isn't someone you debate with, like how you don't debate someone trying to kill you. You don't debate ISIS on why what they're doing is wrong, because they don't care.

Why? I, as a very open-minded, independant-thinking leftist, am very welcoming of debate. Maybe some leftists might be crazy, but usually, any group comprises much more than crazy strawmen, even if some crazy strawmen exist.

You certainly didn't want to talk about it (and made some other statement very much against the Holy Pyramid of Debate).

I agree, that this probably was not a very good action in terms of the pyramid.

Anyways, Communists are not people.

Some definitions:

communist: n1. An advocate of a society based on the common ownership of property; a proponent of communism.

advocate: n3. A person who speaks in support of something. 

By definition, communists are people, no matter how harmful certain communists may be.

This type of thinking is really against the spirit of SaidIt in my opinion, which tends to promote understanding between people with different viewpoints. Please remember to be open-minded (this goes for everyone reading this)!

Coontown had excellent policies against calls to violence, and this was admitted by two CEOs of reddit. Furthermore, it was not against the existence of all blacks. We even had a few blacks who agreed with us, and many of us were Thomas Sowell fans.

This is a potentially good point, and should be discussed further with more evidence.

[–]BuckBundy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You know what's unsettling about this thread? Multiple people are upvoting Troll.

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Could be alternate accounts of his, but some people probably support him

[–]Afor 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The community doesn't really support you.

Some of us want proper rules about this so the next time something is banned we can feel assured that it's not because a power user reported the sub as unsavory.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

There are proper rules.

Advocating violence is at the bottom of the pyramid of debate. Coontown frequently advocates violence. We left that exact message on the ban page.

I don't know how to be more proper than that. It's all in the open.

[–]Afor 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

  1. Power user reports

  2. Sub is banned

  3. Pyramid is updated with new tier

🤔

[–]OmegaUser296 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The change was made awhile ago and they continued to do it after the change, the change was made as a urgent need was made for it due to multiple people of that kind, it was already against the TOS and Policy before hand anyways so even without the pyramid update they were still breaking the rules.

[–]Troll[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Coontown frequently advocates violence."

Can you provide proof? Two reddit CEOs said otherwise.

Lying is against the pyramid of debate. This is your first warning, magnora7.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are proper rules.

At the moment, it really looks like you are abusing them.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that's hardly a decent rebuttal.

Irony, twisting the goalposts to avoid addressing the issues, making it personal.

The guy has a point. Why the censorship?

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because advocating violence is not allowed on saidit. It's simple.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Physical removal is removed for advocating violence

Is advocating violence banned speech on Saidit?

I'm not pro-violence, but I'm not a pacifist either.

Free speech is only a value, if it's supported for speech that one despises.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, regularly advocating violence is not allowed.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Aight.

As a habitual line-crosser, what frequency approaches "regularly".

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How about you just do your best to avoid advocating violence

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Is it over 9000?!

[–]Snow 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humans can't control the lust of building "our group" and attack other group...

[–]Sylexis 19 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

Sorry, this site is not dealing with that fuckery. Want to complain about "free speech"? Go protest on capital hill somewhere.

[–]Troll[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Couldn't you suck my dick instead?

[–]Sylexis 13 insightful - 13 fun13 insightful - 12 fun14 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

I rest my case.

[–]magnora7 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Please respect the pyramid of debate on saidit. First warning. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

[–]Troll[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I extend the invitation to you, as well.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Is that before or after you called me a "fucking fraud"?

Second warning.

[–]DefinitelyAJew 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey I'm just a bystander but I feel like you take it too personally if you want to be the head of the site. People who complain and insult will always bombard the higher-ups. That said though, if you ban subsaidits without a warning, what makes you different from reddit? I'm not tossing any shit here.

[–]Troll[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the biggest thing that screams, "please treat me like a victim" is the fact those saidit subsaidits were not getting any traffic, but were banned anyways. So it has nothing to do with the "pyramid of debate" It has to do with someone's feelings, and someone's opinions. So, there was no problem, and somebody had to find a solution because of feels.

Reddit TRIES to make it look like subreddits broke the rules, when they haven't. This place just goes and deletes them because of BOTH feelings and lies. He's more than welcome to go and google /r/coontown and search for the announcement thread of its banning on reddit -- both Pao and Huffshit admitted that it broke no rules (claiming he banned it because it was bad for ads).

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The amount of traffic a sub gets has nothing to do with where it sits on the pyramid of debate...

[–]SuperConductiveRabbi 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They allowed everything on Voat, and, worse still, didn't require it to stay in specific subreddits, and it completely destroyed the site.

[–]roc 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I fully agree that subreddits supporting violence, such as physical_removal, are banned. The other one is a place full of racist jokes and I don't care much about it, but it should not be removed without a clear rule about it.

[–]sawboss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

subreddits supporting violence, such as physical_removal

Does it?

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, it does. "Let's throw gays and communists out of helicopters, so to speak" is a central meme to physical_removal, and is advocating violence.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"Let's throw gays and communists out of helicopters, so to speak" is a central meme to physical_removal,

Please document the evidence against the accused.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=physical_removal&iax=images&ia=images

About 20% of those are about throwing people off of helicopters.

[–]worm 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

In all honesty, Saidit is becoming an echo chamber not unlike Voat. The front page and the comments sections are constantly filled with bland propaganda posts about Iran, Imperialism, and critiques of capitalism mostly from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Despite the initial assurances that Saidit was a place which welcomes discussion, I find that trite one-liners and poor debaters who cannot even reach the middle of the pyramid regularly get voted as the most "informative" answers.

I'd had rather high hopes for this place when they first set up, but it's pretty clear that there's a reason why Reddit, Voat, and even this place will never become a place for intelligent discussion; the very way the voting system is set up is designed to encourage the reinforcement of worldviews.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I think there's a few people that think like you do, but overall I find saidit to be a higher-quality place for discussion than reddit and I think many others do as well.

[–]Troll[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because you're just like a reddit admin. What you agree with = pyramid of debate. What you don't agree with != pyramid of debate.

You can't even follow your own fucking rules when I attempted to discuss this a week or two ago. You're a fucking fraud.

[–]happysmash27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please stop name-calling and using such divisive language – it brings your post down on the pyramid. I think you can still make the same point with less divisive language:

You seem to be acting like Reddit admins often do, confusing the act of saying something you disagree with as going against the policy, which in this case is the pyramid of debate. You weren't even able to follow these rules yourself when I attempted to discuss this a week or two ago, and I feel that this greatly harms both your integrity and the integrity of SaidIt as a whole.

Hopefully that makes the same point, while being a bit higher on the pyramid?

[–]worm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I would disagree with you on Saidit being a good place for discussion. I don't find this to be a better place than reddit for discussion at all.

Take for instance this thread itself. My earlier comment which you replied to is exactly the sort of vapid, uninformative comment it complains about - funny how these things turn out - and it was voted to the second-most informative comment in the thread. This is despite offering no arguments or new information beyond what everyone already agrees with.

If in the light of the current front page and the threads on it, you would continue to insist that this place is somehow more welcoming of intelligent disagreement than Reddit, I would invite you to consider one more thing. Is this tolerance of disagreement something born out of the way the system is set up? Or is it merely something to do with having a smaller community, which has yet to hit the critical mass where the circlejerking becomes perpetual?

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I see you frequently complaining about how this site is no better, but then I have to ask, why are you here at all? It's not going to be perfect, but it is definitely better than reddit and voat in terms of discussion, despite what you might say. If you find it so lacking, why waste time here? What brought you here in the first place?

[–]worm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You seem to have taken this rather personally - is that a tone response I spy, and are you dodging the point to boot? I'm sure we all aspire to reach the top of the pyramid, don't we Maggie?

To answer your question, I am on this site, on Reddit, and on Voat to argue with myself. I've given up on convincing anyone of anything with words, but maybe if I keep shouting into the void long enough I'll be able to clarify my thoughts to myself. And there is no better void than the circlejerk you find on here and in Reddit.

You've tried to make this site different, I'll give you that. But I'm looking at the way things are going, and I'm seeing a Voat down the pipelines once the userbase gets big enough. Maybe you're not seeing it because you're emotionally invested in your brainchild, or maybe you're not seeing it because you generally agree with the things that get put on here like Troll has suggested. I don't really care why you don't see it - I'm just going to tell you what I see, and you're free to disagree if you want.

After all, we do like our pyramids, don't we?

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

But I'm looking at the way things are going, and I'm seeing a Voat down the pipelines once the userbase gets big enough. Maybe you're not seeing it

Of course I see it. It's one of the core missions of the site. Did you not read this very thread? I'm constantly engaging these people and giving them warnings such that they will eventually be banned. What else do you expect me to do to stop this pipeline?

The pipeline isn't here yet, but you're already writing me and the site off. It reeks of concern trolling rather than actual concern, to be frank. Do you actually want the site to be better, or do you just want to convince everyone it's awful? Because it appears a lot more like the latter than the former at the moment.

[–]worm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What else do you expect me to do?

I don't expect you to do anything, because I genuinely don't think you can do anything. Once you set up a voting system and allow people to vote for the content they want to see up top, they will vote for the content that chimes with their biases. Unless you're capable of changing human behaviour entirely, you're powerless to do anything. An acknowledgement that the voting system is inherently bad for discussion would be very amusing for me, but that's about it.

If you're asking for experimental ideas about how we can ensure posts are quality? I'd suggest that you implement pseudo-academic standards on posts and top comments. Require citations, require a standard length in characters or words, and allow free discussion within that framework. I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I know you wouldn't care; like everyone else on this site, all you care about is owning your opponent in as few words as possible. So why should I care, if you don't even care about your own site?

Regarding the matter of Voat, or what makes a Voat

You know, the way you're writing just made me realize - you and I fundamentally disagree on what makes a Voat. You seem to be much more concerned about substance of opinions than the methods in which opinions are expressed.

As far as I'm concerned, Voat's opinions aren't the problem. I'd be happy to sit down with a white supremacist, a communist, a Nazi, or even an anarchist as long as they're willing to entertain counterarguments politely and rationally. The problem with Voat - and a growing problem on this site as well - lies in the way they treat dissenting opinions. Arguments which are well-made but disagree with one's opinions are punished, while cheap jabs at the "wrong opinions" are rewarded by the hugbox.

As far as I'm concerned, that is exactly where Saidit is headed. True, the users on Saidit in a few months' time may hold different political opinions when compared to Voat. But does the opinion really matter when the methodology is the same?

Consider this very thread. Numerous insults are hurled at the person who made the thread, not necessarily because of the lowbrow methods with which he expresses his opinion, but simply because the opinion itself is seen as being wrong.

I could scroll through this thread and find any number of people simply making insults, jokes, and other comments that would fit right in on any old Reddit or Voat thread being labelled as informative simply for insulting someone they disagree with. Observe the comment by anorganicbear or EndlessSunflowers, for instance.

It reeks of concern trolling rather than actual concern

Good one. I think I've just stopped being concerned about this site by now. I'm just disappointed that I was stupid enough to entertain your delusions of what this site would be. Anyone who's been on Reddit or its clones should have seen this coming the moment a voting system was implemented.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you don't think I can do anything to fix it, yet you're still disappointed in me. You're disappointed this site has a voting system.

I don't know what to say. How about we just see what the future holds, instead of writing off the website entirely based on where you think things might go.

If you find it too disappointing still, then I recommend leaving. It's just an internet forum. It will not fulfill your every dream, despite all of our best efforts. People are going to be people. There is nothing I can do about this.

But it is the stated mission of this site to avoid becoming voat, as well as to avoid becoming reddit. So I will continue to do my best and encourage the community to do their best. If this is not good enough for you, then there is literally nothing else I can do.

[–]Troll[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That, and don't forget the rise of smart phones bringing idiots onto the internet.

It's like mass immigration: we need our own gated communities for decent discussion.

[–]sawboss 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

we need our own gated communities

The PoD is SaidIt's gate.

[–]Troll[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The pyramid of debate is nothing more than an abstraction that doesn't cover the nuances of speech.

[–]sawboss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't know what kind of "gate" you want. Apparently you want an exclusive club where everyone already agrees on ... something? Any mechanism of exclusion will instantly create a power hierarchy or else devolve into mob rule. Even if your community begins ideologically pure (It won't), you'll fall into purity spirals and power struggles.

Good luck fighting human nature.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's also the problem that the people who seek and gain power seem to have very limited understanding of the responsibilities of power, or the pluracy of ways of looking at the world as opposed to their own myopic vision.

[–]OmegaUser296 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not Magnora7 but I can assume that you were harassing him like you have others in the comment.

Also the Pyramid is a method of keeping discussion from falling to such childish circle jerk as Reddit, hence it probably wasn't political and more just your Sub was acting like a bunch of circle jerky Redditors.

Edit: Your sub also broke the Pyramid of Debate AND Site wide rules with your avocation of violence.

[–]Troll[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Let me translate for the lurkers here:

"HEY, MAGNORA, CAN I BE AN ADMIN SOMEDAY?????"

smooooooooch

[–]OmegaUser296 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't want to be an Admin but I do like to help this site in whatever way I can.

[–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Stankmango 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Avocados of violence.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

where on the holy pyramid do you think your comment sits, just out of interest?

[–]happysmash27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not OP, but I would say it mostly falls in to the higher tiers.

[–]anorganicbear 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go back to voat.

[–]HopeThatHalps 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Let's say for the sake of argument that our intention is to make the world a better place; how did coontown or physical removal make the world a better place?

[–]Troll[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Coontown was hilarious, and, helped anger people and divided the left and right more. Physical_Removal promoted the idea that leftists are a cancer -- which is absolutely true, objectively speaking.

[–]HopeThatHalps 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

You say leftism is a cancer, and yet it's your sub forums that get excised from any reputable forum. Think about that for a moment.

[–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

Could you at least point out:

  • Of what these subs were accused of?

  • What you think those accusations really were on the pyramid?

The Irony is that Reddit only bans when there is a branding issue and saidit tries to have a normal debate/conversation.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

This pyramid obsession stuff is illuminati tier, tho.

[–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Egyptians and Greeks did it way before the The Bavarian Illuminati was even conceived.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They just stole it along with a bunch of other stuff from a high developed and educated race with hooves and horns that has left from this planet a long time ago. Every cow on earth that lives as a slave of any kind under human hands is forced to get "signed" with a mark to this very day.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah I guess the food pyramid and trigonometry are Illuminati too /s

The pyramid of debate was created in 2006.

[–]Stankmango 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If we're going to punctuate our obvious sarcasm with that beetling proverbial mark can't we at least start doing /r instead, just to spite Reddit and restore a modicum of balance in this heat?

[–]Troll[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reddit band based off of their politics.

[–]Mnemonic 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What does this even mean? Besides that you can't point out where/how you've been wronged.

[–]solder0 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Not trying to kiss magnora7's ass, but if he is feeling a bit like a 'pettytarian', then I can't really blame him. I was about 75% insane after dealing with sjw scum when I fled to voat, only to find it quickly saturated with a different brand of stupidity.

They don't really respect freedom of speech, not really. The downvote system is worse there than it is on reddit! It makes it easy for the community to censor you and then say "it's not the admins/mods doing it, so it isn't censorship", which is just plain false. I'm not going to argue semantics, either.

You should have taken the hint based on how the "downvote" system works here, most of us have had enough of that crap! Take it back to voat, or that not-voat place, poal.

[–]EndlessSunflowers 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Good Riddance. Go be miserable somewhere else.

[–]Troll[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm actually a pretty jovial person, I just have a lot of love for mayhem in my heart.

[–]happysmash27 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow; there is a lot of drama going on right now.

I'm not sure if I should up-insightful this; it certainly provides a needed discussion, but I'm not sure if the actual accusations are very good at all.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

This is not the flaw with Saidit. I don't even think this is a flaw. (Though /u/magnora7 probably should've humoured you endlessly, wasting significant time that could instead be spent developing other features, in order that you felt like you were being listened to, because the community is often more important than the software.)

[–]MaximilianKohler 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As a disclaimer, I'm not highly familiar with those subs. But IMO, leave that stuff on voat. No need to drown another site in racism and hate.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

calling it a pyramid is definitely illuminati symbolism

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

You can call it "the hierarchy of disagreement" if you like, but I find that doesn't roll off the tongue very well

[–]happysmash27 0 insightful - 4 fun0 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

SaidIt is a conspiracy to sort everything into funny or insightful. Wake up sheeple!

(/s, but not mocking any particular viewpoint; I have just been wanting to share this fake conspiracy I thought of for a while now. )

[–]nobster 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People got o SaidIt because of Reddits censorship. Meanwhile, SaidIt is doing the same exact thing (albeit, far less). Unless it is illegal, Saidit should allow free speech...no matter how stupid it may be.