My Apology To SaidIt (And An Idea)

submitted by JasonCarswell from self.SaidIt

I'd like to apologize to the SaidIt community for losing my shit earlier this month.

It was low pyramid and out of line.

Thumbnail image: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1987509/images/o-APOLOGY-facebook.jpg

SaidIt may need a new tool or something.

So far as I see it, SaidIt is primarily the refuge for Reddit rejects, a badge of honour in most cases. As the insane SJW Corporate-Left is doing this the SaidIt base seems to be leaning more right than left here. Eventually I expect authentic-old-left Progressives and Greens may not feel too welcome here, not to mention any Corporate-Democrat-SJWs or Republican-NeoCons. There isn't even a /s/Progressive, /s/GreenParty, or /s/Anarchism, yet there's an abundant redundance of AnCap and Libertarian subs.

We really need these subs:

/s/AltRight

/s/FarLeft

/s/Conservative

/s/Progressive

/s/GreenParty

/s/Independents

/s/InternetParty

/s/PirateParty

While we're at it:

/s/Agorism

/s/Anarchism

/s/AnarchoMarxism

/s/Marxism

/s/Technocracy

/s/Corporatocracy

/s/Totalitarianism

/s/Authoritarianism

/s/AntiAuthoritarianism

Yes, they are all very different.

Despite being an anarcho-lefty-truther I've been active on the alt-right InfoGalactic for years, so being a fish out of water doesn't bother me that much. Most people don't know half of what they think they know, including me, but one thing I know for sure, most people don't know jack about identity politics, nor see merits in other viewpoints, nor understand how everyone is being manipulated. Many don't want to, even if they say they do.

So when a MSM-brainwashed normie "skeptic" deep in ignorance repeatedly criticizes posted videos based on it's title or thumbnail image without even viewing it, I have a very serious problems with that. IMHO this is even worse than the countless ignorant capitalists crapping on socialism or vice versa, which is also a problem that will only get worse as the user base grows.

Censorship or blocking is not an adequate solution.

While Reddit culture seems to partly consist of time suck circle jerk debates around vague statements wide open to countless interpretations and refutations, I (should) have no time for that. But I also will not abide by my posts being besmirched by some uninformed "skeptic" asstroll who won't even view the content or simply poops on it potentially scaring others off who may benefit from it. I often post things I agree with or don't, stuff to ponder or amuse or rile. Some of it deserves a counter argument or derision. But if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about then I draw the line and either have to refute it or simply ignore it and hope no one else is discouraged from appreciating the post I took the effort to share for whatever reason.

For lack of flair, tags, or other rankings and labels, and after long deliberation I have come upon this idea that may be something of a solution...

First, for anyone who doesn't know, the back end culture of Wikipedia relies on an infuriating shorthand code/language of it's own. I hate the abbreviations, but do appreciate it when they link to their rigged rules to let you know how you allegedly screwed up. I'd like to partly emulate this.

I'm proposing a wiki page of canned responses.

If you find yourself explaining the same thing over and over, maybe you won't need to anymore. Obviously this is meant to supplement discussions not replace them.

There are no wiki page(s) for these dead-links that would point to more descriptive paragraphs or essays that may better expand upon these ideas. Meanwhile, just for now, these are simple statement-link examples of what folks might want to copypasta:

The last example might link to a wiki page's paragraph like this:

" Capitalism cannot exist without socialism. Taxes that pay the government and police and military that enforce the capitalism are entirely socialist. They claim to "protect" you but won't protect your health or education or rights to shelter, food, and work while civilized countries would. Socialism cannot exist without capitalism on some level, whether it's the individual level, business level, community level, state level, or corporate level. More balanced countries are more stable and happier, but they are far from fair and/or "equal". All governments are authoritarian to some degrees and feature socialist and capitalist elements to some degrees. "

Naturally someone would need to create /s/CannedResponses, perhaps with a different name, where refining and discussion and the wiki can develop. In the meantime, if people like this idea for lack of better ones, I propose we start a list of responses at /s/SaidIt/Wiki/CannedResponses to start with to be used first to see if an entire sub is even necessary. If under a couple dozen responses are used a dedicated sub won't be necessary.

About me, for anyone who cares.

For well over a month I've had a fucked up lower back, a chronic problem that has intermittently haunted me for more than half my life. Just when it seems like it's getting better an unprepared sneeze or just rolling over in bed can make it worse than before. It's like someone sledge hammered my tail bone and the nerves in my balls and shooting down my legs is paralyzing at times. So far I've managed to be able to limp from my bed or kneeling chair to the bathroom at the worst of times. TMI: Wiping is the worst.

My mom has been waylaid with similar problems since Christmas, like my grandfather. I hate my dad but finally had to call and ask him to help and he got me some groceries and Tylenol that I'd long since run out of. While it is not over that helped a lot. I still don't know what I'm going to do after tomorrow. Call him again I guess. The first couple weeks of this month I just ordered pizzas I could barely carry from the front door so now I'm broke.

Fortunately I'm feeling better now, but I'm not out of the woods just yet. When the pain is the worst, so is my mind fog. My brother turns into a monster when hungry, my ex would get angry when exhausted, and while I can take those just fine and a lot of other shit, pain isn't something I can handle well. Despite all this, it's not worse than suffering the inescapable fog and unrelievable tortures of so-called anti-depressant Big Pharma poisons.

As for my mindset two weeks ago, in pain I had far less patience or inclination to write longer comments or even bother. The day of my abysmal outburst I was trying to clear out my messages to earn a sense of accomplishment. I'd already passed on delving into the obvious argument for healthcare in civil societies. I don't exactly recall the other steps on how I lost it but I was far over the edge. An uninformed twat twisting logic, regurgitating mainstream crap, feigning skepticism when they clearly hadn't even viewed the content presented, and further filling my messages with idiotic blatherings despite my insistence he fuck off didn't help things. Rage is a rarity in me but there it was. I then checked out for a while in fury, in pain, in Same of Throwns, and in deep reflections when I could think straight. Ultimately he can go fuck himself, but to the rest of you I apologize for my outbursts that were way out of place on this forum. Is this an excuse? No. Do I demand forgiveness? No. This is just my explanation from my viewpoint and my apology to the community.

This was not entirely fruitless. I learned a HUGE lesson before much more was at stake. If either of my projects achieve a modicum of success then there will be masses of praise and disdain and conflict to deal with and I will need to be ready, sooner than later. SaidIt and Sayers will also need more tools for the growing user base and increasing global censorship issues.

I'll still be around but I hope to be more focused on my original projects developing here on SaidIt. Not restricted by antiquated Reddit ideas, and even if I'm not dialed in to the latest news, I intend to continue developing SaidIt culture in the best way I know how, including making a fuck tonne more subs. I've decided I'm NOT going to un-mod myself without reason. Fuck everyone that wants to limit the number of subs a person has or cast judgments on mods who haven't done anything wrong. Call me on my shit when I do something wrong or develop bad habits but NOT before, and certainly not without adequate explanation which I have yet to hear. But I've digressed.

In the 1990s and 2000s there were dozens if not hundreds of TV stations and the countless commercials I worked on were seen by the largest international mass audiences in history. Since then audiences have more channels, moved online, and diversified further. Fortunately I was just an anonymous well payed animator for the best and worst of my work at the end of the golden age of CGI. This time it's all different. And this time I'm not pushing mobile phones, junk food, toiletries, or running shoes. I'm going to peddle uncomfortable truths and anti-authoritarianism and I intend to do it as openly and transparently as I possibly am able.

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So you have realized that people's political opinions are "canned responses" or more accurately memes in the original definition of the word. Man, you are so close to an epiphany here. I'm rooting for you.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Complicated memes. And the "canned responses" can be as long or short as is necessary, hopefully illuminating, with supporting links and citations.

It seems pointless explaining the same thing a dozen times to a dozen people in a dozen posts.

[–]Entropick 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

really regret hearing of your physical maladies. suffering is miserable. you are an asset and a pleasure to read, i hope you get some relief and a break, i wish you all the best.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words.

"Pleasure to read". I blush. You're the first to say that. I'd mount that on my wall if I was that kind of person, instead I'm just the kind who'll say that I would if I were.

I hope you'll like my grand story, coming soon to /s/BittersweetSeeds and whatever /s/Trutherism101 turns into. I'm impatient to share but I must be organized about it and get the ducks lined up /s/GlossedOver/wiki/.

Going on 2 good days. So here's hoping I'm getting past it.

[–]HeyImSancho 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Long read; I don't think beyond passive suggestions, and trying to step up to the plate to provide solid common sense, and a little more, there's much you can do.

Those rating systems, or 'canned' responses will end up abused. Anytime we as a species restrict each other, there's always fallout, there's always someone left bare. I think it's better for people to grow a thick skin, and continue on with the precious time in each of their days. Realize you may not be here, and you'll have much higher quality time.

As far as meeting personal goals? A forum is a great place to measure said goals against a wide varying of opinion, and troll, but it may not be the proper place for implementation.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As long as the "abuse" is not low pyramid or intentionally deceptive I don't see why it can't be used and called out when improper.

If I can read more content and reply faster, with better crafted words rather than some of the lazy responses I've seen (and done) then why not?

As far as meeting personal goals? A forum is a great place to measure said goals against a wide varying of opinion, and troll, but it may not be the proper place for implementation.

The development of my open source projects on this forum (/s/GlossedOver/wiki/) are not about "personal goals". Maybe my projects will fail. Maybe someone else will improve upon my model and go beyond. Maybe someone else will think outside the box in another extraordinary way. If I don't try we'll never know.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't disagree with effort, and I'd also agree that give an idea that's good, and someone usually will run with it.

As to any 'blowouts', I guess I missed it, and sometimes perhaps its necessary in the right circumstances.

[–]scotchbingington 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Tell us more about the animation you did...

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB5A91949E4C9B463

The M&Ms one is my fav

[–]Optimus85 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I liked the Kraft Dinner Kraft Mac N' Cheese commercial. I guess you need dinosaurs playing guitars to sell that shit. Pretty cheesy commercial but the 3d models and animation were amazing. Even by today's standards, it would take a lot of computational power to render that scene.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Rock'N'Roni" was just one of many.

I bet today's computers could render it all pretty quickly.

It did take a lot of render power in 2003 but it was manageable in house with six or seven boxes. We had experienced streamlined processes (ie. test render little patches rather than the whole image), a great render manager system, and the best animation team in Toronto at the time (I have no idea what's been going on in animation for the last dozen years). I was lucky to be there working with animation legends at the very start in 2000 for a while and again in 2003 for a while. It turned really corporate after a relocation and expansion, but by then I was selling out in NYC.

Of course, all the video back then was NTSC 720x540 or 720x486 with a 0.9 aspect ratio due to cathode ray tube television pixels not being 1:1 square. Not only that but we'd do spots at 24 frames per second, like film, and do a 3-2 pull down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down) to stretch it out. Some spots we could even do at 15 or 12 frames a second (ie. Teletoon). It's all about economy with style.

I can tell you I'm so fucking sick and tired of Kraft Dinner. No, we didn't get free samples. I'm talking about from before, when I was a poor student in animation college, as well as this and last month when I was out of groceries with nothing to eat but KD or plain pasta with salt and pepper. I still don't know why someone doesn't sell the orange powder separately in bulk. Scam.

[–]TrueProfit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a WinCo grocery store in your area. They sell the yellow cheese powder in their bulk bin section. You can buy it by the ounce. It’s pretty cheap.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd love a bulk store anywhere nearby but alas no.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I animated on enough cereal commercials to make you diabetic and later realized they were all pushing sugar and theft and often bad grammar. Most cereals were soooo good someone just had to steal them. Cookie Crisp started out with the cookie crook, then the cookie crook with his crook dog, then the dog lost the mask. "Me want Honeycomb!" Really!?! I honestly don't know if this was just stupid ad men (and sooooo many of them are stupid yes men who love underling yes men), if there was some financial precedent and template, or if there was an organized malicious plan from the corporate overlords. (50 cereals to chose from. 2 political parties, only 1 away from a dictatorship. The illusion of choice.) Ironically by the time I realized this a few years in and made my decision I never got a chance to put my foot down to say no to immoral children's commercials. Coming down the pipe they just never came my way again. I'm glad I didn't have to create studio drama.

So much fast junk food it makes me sick thinking about it. I was consumed by the craft and spectacle of bright shiny glam in a plastic artificial world and sooo eager to please with my tenacity and talent. I wasn't thinking about the corporate consumerist superficial culture.

Countless cell phone services, cable services, and dial up services. We'd be animating on several competing mobile services so when a client came in some of us had to turn off our monitors for their meeting so we'd take a break. James Earl Jones (aka voice of Darth Vader) asked if we wanted to read his fortune because we had a reflection sphere to map out the specular lighting to apply to our Verizon animated computer monitors that complained about slow dial up. We were too shocked and speechless. I worked on a Victoria Secrets commercial but was pissed I didn't get to go to the shoot.

Soooo many "sexy" razors, shampoos with vitamins, maxipads with wings, dancing contact lenses, allergy medicines, vitamin mosaics, pet flee repellent, macho strong sponges, a school bus full of children skidding out onto a frozen lake to crack through the ice and sink, and countless music videos. I refused to work on the first Zoloft anti-depressant commercial, not because it's Big Pharma poison, but because they wouldn't let me redesign their crappy depressing character you still see to this day. Apparently there was a lot of market research on it. I just thought it was a terrible design. A lot of famous directors do commercials but their names are never on them. Many of them do fuck all and only show up once or twice. Many of them are a nuisance offering shitty ideas or indecision oblivious to the endless hours of wasted work they create. Depending on the studio, anywhere from a quarter to a half of the directors are actually very competent - and half of them are fantastic people besides (ie. my role model heroes).

Sadly, I never did get to archive off much of my work. After my animation it often went to rendering then post production and I was lucky to grab whatever scraps I could as I was always busy working on the next thing in the pipe.

YouTube deleted a bunch for some reason so here's all that's left on my old YouTube account (I forgot the password that Google made me change ~2011), a better quality version of my solo rigged and animated M&Ms commercial (rendered by another guy and based of the famous designer Jonathan Adler who showed up maybe twice to say "it freaked his shit out"), I worked on this short a bit in 2004 and this short a bit in 1999 or 2000, and ironically they wouldn't fucking recycle in the studio, though that was more because Manhattan wouldn't. There's much more out there but I couldn't find those I remember off hand. From 2000 on, Frank, Mark, and I animated several Hershey's Kiss spots that started http://www.GuruStudio.com/ in Toronto. (I find it ironic that I was pushing big eyes back then when no one else was, BEFORE Bratz came along. for example ) Most of these sketches are from back then too: off of my 2000-2010 partly archived WickedSunshine.com. Last time I checked I was the only Jason Carswell on IMDb but there's only a dozen credits there for things that have credits.

One of the worst projects I ever worked on, and my only television show, was A Little Curious, a cringey craptastic childrens series produced in a rush to fill space on a new (1998) HBO children channel. Funny thing, a dozen years later my nephew watched regularly with my mom. The animation team was good but the management and direction not. Above all I absolutely despised the "nephew art" character design. After years of not having it, I finally found a piece on first glance that I'd been wanting to get for my demo reel back then because it was not too bad (after it left my hands). At 4min10 seconds you can watch my Too Light! Too Dark! animation I did. I was living in NYC but flew back to Toronto in 1998 when I moved from Click3x to Curious ?ictures and needed a new visa. I was declined so I was stuck in Toronto for a month. Curious arrange for me to have a work station at Alias, the 3D software company we used, where I developed my own faux-bezier tool for Mr. String. I heard they put that bit in for some awards. I never saw it rendered before. It looks like shit. I'm afraid to see what my other animation on the show looks like, but there's no way I'm going to watch a whole season of that crap to find my scenes. (Turns out the end credits are accurate per the episode and easy to check. I don't remember how many scenes I did, but I'm sure they're all rushed and craptastic.) Not only that, it's clearly obvious someone pulled back and raised the camera, thus widening the frame, changing the angle, and mucking up my Mr. String shapes, but worse they had to move the ceiling up (and tilt the walls) - and they didn't move the top constraint of the string so he no longer swings properly as there's a stiff part at the top, crooked at that! I'd consider cropping it if it wasn't rendered so shitty. On the up side it was fun to animate to a great voice performance that is a good example of extreme vocal acting that I might want for my /s/Trutherism101 project.

There's more crap out there too but this has become tedious. If I don't toot my own horn no one else will. Long humblebrag over.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I also will not abide by my posts being besmirched by some uninformed "skeptic" asstroll who won't even view the content or simply poops on it potentially scaring others off who may benefit from it. I often post things I agree with or don't, stuff to ponder or amuse or rile. Some of it deserves a counter argument or derision. But if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about then I draw the line and either have to refute it or simply ignore it and hope no one else is discouraged from appreciating the post I took the effort to share for whatever reason.

Discouraging people from looking into new ideas is a shill's #1 goal. They're literally running interference.

I'm guessing that a couple of those brainwashed bastards have presented this post as a success story.

On the bright side, there's literally a PR conspiracy that's dedicated to suppressing the interesting information that you're submitting.

You can be confident that the Information that you share with the community matters, because someone's trying to suppress it.

We appreciate your dedication. Keep it up.

Don't let 'em get you down.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isreal just had at least a couple hundred accounts banned from Facebook for meddling in African elections. These numbers are light, but it what came up in the search first: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-ban-archimedes-disrupt-election-20190516-story.html

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

An uninformed twat twisting logic, regurgitating mainstream crap, feigning skepticism when they clearly hadn't even viewed the content presented, and further filling my messages with idiotic blatherings despite my insistence he fuck off didn't help things.

I assume that was me. If so, I'm sorry. Not about what I said, but about my timing; I knew there was something problematic going on in your life due to your uncharacteristic behaviour, and I persisted in deliberately irritating you despite this. This will not happen again.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This will not happen again.

Did you get a new job?

You're here, so I don't believe it.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For the most part well modded and active subs already do this canned response thing. Veterans in quality subs are johnny on the spot with filling new people in. I think the name you're looking for is s/copypasta. There's a user named r/marquisdepaid on reddit that might be able to help you with the idea you are putting together. Tell him I sent you if he asks questions.

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

/s/Anarchism does exist, but is a private sub.

I personally think libertarian communists and capitalists are compatible, and should try going in the same sub.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems wrong that it's private.

I don't see the compatibility but I'm open to ideas. Of course it depends what kind of capitalists you mean. What would you call that sub?

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Eventually I expect authentic-old-left Progressives and Greens may not feel too welcome here, not to mention any Corporate-Democrat-SJWs or Republican-NeoCons.

Ideally they should not feel unwelcome.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Why? Because we don't conform to your beliefs? So much for freedom of thought.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

you should not feel unwelcome

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Either you changed it or I misread it as "should not feel welcome".

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I didn't change it. I don't need to be sneaky like that.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm not sneaky. I was admitting that I likely misread it. Now that you've confirmed that, I can say I'm sorry for my error.

(Unless you changed it and claim you didn't. Then who's sneaky?)

At the time I thought it was out of character and more extreme than usual from you. Now you see how double negatives easily confuse the feeble minded.

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Unless you changed it and claim you didn't.

NO.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

You seem defensive. Are you sure?

(Here's your goat. Here's me getting it. Here's me tickling it. Here's me trying it on for size. Here's me loving your goat the harder it resists.)

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You seem defensive. Are you sure?

I am reminding myself that you don't understand what that implies, and that it doesn't serve me to exploit your lack of understanding. All interactions are voluntary.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're reactions are a trolls wet dream.

Initially I made a mistake, but your responses are too rich to ignore.

I was teasing you. I won't persist in continuing to get your goat.

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

/s/CannedResponses is now created.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks!

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome :D