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Some goods news - "Identity politics is in retreat in Hollywood"
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[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (11 children)
Okay, and? It's not as if this is any way praiseworthy. The studios, the critics, and pretty much everyone else in a position to get a soundbite or quote attached to their name spent years telling us that we're a bunch of bigoted, piss-ignorant troglodytes for not eagerly lapping up their incessant pushing of IdPol in our various entertainment media.
Every single time that we complain about trashing a good IP with tokenist race-swapping (especially the blatant replacement of white redheads with blacks), pandering genderspecial bullshit, or faux-empowering "rawr FEMINISM" (Ms. Marvel and Ghostbusters, to name two especially egregious examples), we're told to sit down, shut our fucking mouths, and accept that we're wrong, they're right, and this is how it's going to be from now on.
The only reason that they're backpedaling now--and I very much doubt it'll get very far--is because they're standing to lose the only thing that truly matters, the money.
[–]ClassroomPast6178 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (10 children)
You’re on the money.
One of the funniest things to happen over the years was the reboot of the reboot of Charlie’s Angels. Prior to release Elizabeth Banks was doing the rounds telling everyone that the film wasn’t made for men, and then when it absolutely bombed, she blamed men for not going to see it. It is almost as if they have forgotten who the audience is for action/action-comedy films actually is (something Marvel and DC needs to learn). I predict that we will see the greatest example of woke hubris when LOTR:TROP is released to much praise from the critics and almost no viewers. They’re already getting their preparations in, just like they did for Obi-Wan, the fans are toxic and racist and that’s why it failed.
The moneymen won’t care though, they’re just going to be pissed that they can’t sell the merch (anyone want a half price Rose Tico action figure?) and no one is interested in the product tie-ins.
[–]LyingSpirit472 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Even beyond action/action-comedy, the bigger thing that needed to be learned is the same refrain: It's not ABOUT identity or not, it's about "Is this movie good, or is it shit?" It's like the Buffy the Vampire Slayer example we talked about yesterday here- fans are happy to support franchises with women/minority leads, they'd be happy to support progressive/"woke" media... AS LONG AS THE PRODUCT IS GOOD. Moviegoers just don't want to spend 100 bucks and 2 hours of their life they'll never get back to see a movie they know is shit, and the "shame moviegoers into the theater to see a bad movie" method only works once and they pulled it on Ghostbusters 2016, and now it'll never work again.
There's been enough successful "woke" movies that were also GOOD movies to show the answer is "Make GOOD MOVIES with diverse casts and people will see them", not "make woke movies and hope people will pay 100 bucks to spend two hours baaing at a sheep that looks like them or wants to have sex with things they want to have sex with."
[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Rose wasn't introduced for diversity.
She was written in because they originally wanted to do a love story between Rey and Finn but the actors had zero chemistry in the first sequel. They added the character of Rose so at least one of them had a love interest. The actress was then cast solely on how much chemistry she had with John Boyega, nothing else. They screen tested actresses of multiple races and nationalities. And they picked well, when I saw them on set I didn't know who she was and I literally thought she was his girlfriend he'd brought to set for the day. It's just they couldn't find anything relevant to do with Finn's character once they'd split him up from Rey.
[–]alladd 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (7 children)
this shit is kinda hilarious though. like rose tico is now a character in star wars, forever.
decades from now people will still find jar jar and rose tico toys and laugh at them.
[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (6 children)
JarJar is way less annoying than Rose Tico, she actively stopped Finn having a character arc and spouted some absolute bollocks about self-sacrifice being wrong, in a movie that is supposed to be about resisting fascism to say that is just terrible writing.
[–]alladd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (5 children)
LOL and the writing responded by giving her nothing to do in the third one. that's what you get when you don't want to be a hero in a story about heroes.
[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (4 children)
Never watched the final film, never will.
They had one chance to make something great with the cast of the originals and they fucked it up, and the sad thing is they had a trilogy ready to go with the original Timothy Zahn Thrawn Trilogy….just needed minimal changes to take into account the main characters’ ages. It would have set up stuff like Rogue Squadron, introduced Mara Jade (who could have had an amazing series based on her Emperor’s Hand days) and all sorts of interesting characters and premises. Fuck Kathleen Kennedy. Oh and she’s going to kill Indy and replace him with Fleabag!
The destruction of Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Star Trek really is cultural vandalism.
[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Man, I'm not much of SW nerd, but even I get a bit giddy at the thought of having the Thrawn trilogy made into movies, those were some fucking amazing books. Instead, we got Mary Sue Skywalker, Severus Solo, and an insufficiently-cooked Emperor clone...
[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
i mean i love fleabag but i didn't watch that show for the rope tricks and action setpieces. in fact there weren't any.
[–]Datachost 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
I liked Fleabag, but it's very much become a case of it going on to ruin future media, because now every show with a female lead thinks it needs to be Fleabag and none of them actually have the script to pull it off
Like, did Jane Austen really need the Fleabag treatment?
[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
hell they didn't even have the writing to pull off killing eve after she left it
[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
So funny filming an entire movie in Glasgow then casting the lead, named Gordon, as a latinx. Talk about wasting the obvious creative choice right in front of you because you are too far up your own arse to see it.
[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun - 1 year ago* (1 child)
Apparently Glasgow council/Scottish government is shitting it, they spent a lot of money encouraging the production to film there and then supporting the production thinking that Glasgow would be the site of future Batgirl/DC shoots needing a Gotham City Set, and more importantly as an advert to the overseas film industry that Glasgow/Scotland is a good place to film (in the way that GoT did for Northern Ireland). That’s all gone down the toilet with the canning of Batgirl.
[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
They should be OK.
The same happened with City of Ember in Belfast and they still got Game of Thones and other high end TV stuff.
The main thing is all the right people in the council got paid.
[–]clownworlddropout 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Yes please, political correctness is poison.
[–]alladd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (9 children)
so it takes about 10 years to vote with your wallet.
[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago* (8 children)
Or just one.
There was an article posted up a while back that Sony was ditching wokeness solely because of High Guardian Spice.
Edit: found it, video not article
https://youtu.be/whuOB7c2o20
[–]ClassroomPast6178 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (6 children)
Just looked High Guardian Spice up, I cannot believe anyone thought that that was a good idea. The Wikipedia article shows the problem with pandering to that demographic:
Chiaki Hirai reviewed the first episode for Anime Feminist, describing it as a comfortable and "enjoyable show", praised the show's setting and story, and said that the "explicit LGBTQ positivity" stands out. However, she criticized the lack of English subtitles, saying it makes it hard for people with impaired hearing to watch the show.
They went to all that effort, but it still wasn’t good enough.
[–]alladd 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (3 children)
lol look at the description of the show that Rodriguez worked on prior to that one, danger and eggs
The show focuses on the adventures of a gender-free female lesbian child and her giant large-gamete friend
a gender-free female. who is a lesbian child. lmao
[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
She's the person who made this classic facepalm art
https://imgur.com/a/72hFnXz
[–]alladd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
lmao
every time they act like it's soooo mysterious and hard to understand being trans
then you read what they actually write about it and it's the dumbest shit. "i think in stereotypes and watch too much anime!!11"
[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
I think she was nearly 30 when she drew it too
[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
I mean it just looks like utter childish shit. I'm no big anime weeb but do people who watch anime watch it for this cutesy uwu shit? I thought the most popular anime are generally more gritty and violent weird stuff. Like Akira. Or Cowboy Bebop. Who the fuck wants to watch something that looks like a candy land fan fiction. Oh no King Candy and Lord Liquor are engaged tee hee hee.
[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Part of it's problem was it looks like a kid show but it's full of violence and gory so it didn't really appeal to anyone.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Nice, there's an incest orgy implied.
[–]L_X_A 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
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