Were you someone who was always against trans ideology or was there a moment where you peaked?

Aerozine · 2022-12-24T22:21:15+00:00

I realized that over 95% of these people aren't transsexuals. Research shows that transsexualism is most likely caused by prenatal and neonatal hormone imbalances. The rest of them are:

porn-addicted men
confused adolescents (often groomed by the porn-addicted men)
girls and young women scared of their own sexuality

After seeing so much filth from troons on the internet I probably wouldn't even go along with the fiction of a bona fide transsexual.

jet199 · 2022-12-24T20:36:22+00:00

I used to be a TRA and identified as non-binary.

I can't remember when I first peaked but I think it was an article by Debbie Hayton spelling out why the trans movement would actually backfire on transexuals.

Femaleisnthateful · 2022-12-25T00:59:52+00:00

For me, it was a process rather than a singular moment. I grew up in a very lefty family, and just reflexively assumed that transgender people had some sort of biologically distinct marker the way homosexual people do, and that transwomen were all the HSTS Blaire White types.

Of course, back in the day, nobody actually believed 'transwomen are women'. They were men with issues, mostly to be pitied. they weren't imposing themselves on others, and you just ignored them, or treated them humanely, and let them go about their lives. I assumed 'bathroom bills' were all in bad faith, because transwomen were visibly distinct from men. Ah, those were the days...

Over the years, I started to see things that bothered me. An article about a Dutch transman who sought and received assisted suicide because of a botched phalloplasty. She had transitioned because her abusive mother hated her and blatantly favoured her sons. I wondered why doctors would approve a transition under such circumstances?

A formerly female-only spa I used to go to in Toronto had to change its 'clothing optional' policy because men who said they weren't men demanded access.

Then, the debacle with Jordan Peterson and 'compelled speech'. I remember my sister telling me he was making a big fuss over nothing, because when have you actually known anyone who uses neopronouns like they/them in real life (spoiler: I now work with three). I did not like the idea of compelled speech and it felt very wrong to me, though I couldn't articulate why.

Then later, I saw a headline in the CBC about a transwoman fighting for her rights in B.C. I was already feeling I wasn't 'into' trans at this point, but I figured I should educate myself. And that's how I learned about Jessica fucking Yaniv. I kept waiting for the big LGBT orgs to publicly disavow what this pedophilic, racist, predatory nut was doing, but none of them would. It was clear they were all waiting to see how far he could take his case.

Then Meghan Murphy came to town and there was a massive outcry and counterprotest. I read articles about it on the news and noticed everybody was talking about her but nobody was talking ~to~ her. I reluctantly watched one of her events on YouTube expecting it to be extremist lunacy and surprise! it was just .... women talking about womens rights.

Lastly, meeting two AGP clowns while my boyfriend and I were out to dinner, minding our own business. Big hulking troons with caked on makeup, fishnets, etc. 'Zelda' disappeared to the washroom for an inordinate amount of time, while the other struck up a one-sided conversation with me, unbidden. Told me all about his lack of a job, how he always carried a gun, how nobody fucked around with them on the street because Zelda was ex-military (and looked it, too). Kept trying to convince me to go to the local drag bar. It was creepy as fuck and I was very aware that these were men, and I was very aware that if I said what I was thinking, there was going to be trouble. Any residual sentiment I had of being an 'ally' died that night.

After that encounter I started diving into the trans stuff in force, discovering r/gendercritical and r/dropthet, watching GC YouTube videos, learning about the real-life impact of gender ideology and legislation on women and gays.

Fiyanggu · 2022-12-24T23:26:56+00:00

People can do what they want but I don't see any need to normalize fringe behavior. They're the odd ones out, not the majority of the population. The ones pushing this stuff are the same grifters pushing BLM and Antifa. They want to control the narrative.

LyingSpirit472 · 2022-12-24T20:41:14+00:00

If there would be a moment to peak and go past "let them live and let live", it would be the moment when the TRA's made "Why can't I have sex with anyone I want to have sex with? We should be allowed to force lesbians to find me attractive so I can have sex with anyone I want!"...and the woke society LET THIS become a major talking point.

A full decade or more was spent on "consent is king for everything, if someone doesn't want you, don't push them or demand it", to get pushed by extremists as far as "if you show any romantic interest in a person, you're literally raping them", to let any person who cares about and respects women to go die alone, unloved...and then the biggest incel shitstains on the planet who openly use trans rights as their cheat code to get to the top of Oppression Olympics use this to get the incel's single issue of "I want to force people to give me sex" into the discourse of trans rights, and everyone LET THEM WIN.

The rise of wokeness and personal respect for everyone has for their fellow human being is a good thing, but when the woke side let the incels win because they wore a pretty dress when they demanded it, that was absolutely disgusting.

ReconNinja · 2022-12-25T08:55:24+00:00

I can't point to any one thing to call the peak, but there are a few.

1) Not really a peak at all, but I just observed trans rhetoric and behavior over the years from various outlets like the original TumblrInAction. Nobody with the truth on their side needs to act the way trans activists do. They deny empirical reality, exhibit obvious signs of delusional narcissism, rationalize away obvious fetishism, invert their own ideological narratives on a whim whenever it's convenient, act abusively if you aren't 100% on board with affirming and celebrating everything they say or do, and so on. Worse still, they prey on lonely, often mentally ill teenagers online, acting eerily cultishly. This subsaidit is full of examples of all of these things.

2) I learned about John Money. He coined the terms "gender" and "gender identity" (words I have since endeavored to stop using, but still slip out out of habit at times); The experiment he used to derive the whole idea of gender as completely socially constructed and not a psychological extension of human sexual dimorphism, in addition to being horribly inhumane and outright illegal in one respect (he made case study subject David Reimer and his brother, both children, simulate sex acts on each other and recorded it), discredits that very idea. He, and seemingly the entire psychological establishment, just pretended otherwise and kept going with his narrative.

3) One of my least favorite archetypically trans behaviors is their tendency to invade online social groups, gun straight for moderation positions, and reshape the whole group around celebrating themselves; You can't voice dissent under threat of banning you or destroying the group altogether if it's sufficiently widespread. I thought my small, private, extremely niche group of best friends would've been a safe haven from this, but I was wrong. A member who had been dormant since the beginning suddenly became active, came out as trans, and started influencing the whole rest of the group to the point that I had little commonality with them anymore. I could've tried putting my foot down and removing him the moment I sensed incompatibility, but I try not to mirror behavior I hate in others under the pretense of "it's okay when I do it." Now that uncritical trans support has become the de facto litmus test for moral purity in spaces and among people that aren't explicitly right wing (which I also don't belong with, because thinking for myself has led me to become very heterodox), I don't even know where to find friends anymore without running the risk of others ejecting me over the trans issue and sending me back to square one.

lunarstrain · 2022-12-25T17:47:49+00:00

I was one of the kids who was exposed to transgenderism and all of the stupid SJW radicalism when it was very niche via Tumblr at age 13. Messed me up for a few years, it wasn't until I started reading Kiwi Farms habitually in my later teens that I got my head on more straight and "peaked". I've gone through many different stances since then and ultimately I can't see "true" transgenderism as anything other than a form of mental illness. Not one to be demonized, but to be pitied. Sometimes I make rude jokes or rant out of frustration, they are a pretty unreasonable group of people these days, but when I am confronted with someone who is clearly very mentally ill, it's hard not to have some kind of compassion unless they're a truly awful individual.

Newzok · 2022-12-25T00:11:22+00:00

I don't know actually. I used to think of them as an outlier and not really care other than going, "glad I wasn't born that way". I think it was once people started getting woke about things and non-binary became a thing, around 2015. It was the tone. The simultaneously sanctimonious and patronising tone I'd seen in rad lefties as a youth, girls desperate to be identified as bold and righteous, who will see you as the enemy if you're not 100% on board. Somehow this fake shit made its way into everything. But I still hadn't met a trans person nor a trans activist. And I'm active on the gay scene(though not the one full of young party people).

I think I peaked a couple of years back. Just the complete unity in media opinion, work places catering to it in the same way, Pride becoming more about trans stuff than gay stuff(actually anything previously dealing with gay issues), the total abolition of rational discussion on reddit/twitter... It rubbed me as mighty suspicious. And lo, what do we have here? Covid discourse. A similarly total unity of opinions, by the same media corps. To my mind it showed the whole tranny thing as a big media/propaganda campaign among many. Who bankrolls this? Billionaires connected to big pharma/Blackrock, somehow also getting government to dance to their whistle. Getting this kind of coverage is expensive.

And then we find out that discourse on twitter was controlled by the US government. And that the removal of employees in Japan made divisive topics go away.

Anyway I'm ranting now. But goddamn it's all a big op. For what reason I really can't fathom, other than sowing discord in otherwise coherent political groups and making money on medical services. But it fucks people up. In more ways than one.

Musky · 2022-12-26T03:43:44+00:00

I supported transgenderism completely at one point, love the fags and dykes, but then the ideology got too warped. So I disliked TRAs but figured the trannies themselves just wanted to lead their own lives and still supported them overall. Then I start seeing all the kinksters being creepy and I think well, some of these are bad dudes but they're not all like that. And then my niece dated a trans identified girl. It was obviously a typical girl. There was nothing male about her. And she spent countless hours dreading this supposed transphobia she would encounter. Nah, I was with that girl when she used male bathrooms in some pretty redneck states and nobody gave a single shit. She was her own worst enemy and it was because of her trans ideology. She couldn't appreciate a good fart either, which is the gold standard litmus test for maleness. I think that was maybe 3 years ago.

Dirkpytt · 2022-12-25T11:41:59+00:00

Back in college around 2013-2014 we had this classmate who had all the signs of being one of those terminally online tumblr users, screeched about how doctor strange was being "whitewashed" into a straight male for the MCU, complained to the teacher when surveys only gave the option of male or female to which the teacher replied "pick whatever is closer to what you think you are". It was non stop things like that

RedEyedWarrior · 2022-12-26T00:59:57+00:00

I stopped supporting transgenderism completely back in 2019. But it was a long process that began in 2015, which you could argue was when I peaked. In the middle of 2015, after two years of reading Pinknews, Gay Star News and LGBTQ Nation, and 6 years of reading Wikipedia articles, I was completely in support of the trans ideology. Including supporting self-ID laws, non-binary identities and allowing children to get sex changes. Why was I so ignorant? Because I was raised to believe that the western countries were the good guys, and this shit was emerging from western countries. So I accepted this shit without question. To be fair, I was warned not to believe everything typed on Wikipedia. So I should have known. The only excuse was that I was 20 at the time. Which further reinforces my belief that people under 30 shouldn't be allowed to vote.

But events in 2015 and 2016 caused me to question what I was believing. First, I heard about a referendum I'm Houston TX on an ordinance that would have banned discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. And it was rejected 2-1. I was disappointed, with the result. But part of me believed this ordinance would have passed if the ordinance only covered sexual orientation. But I still wanted the whole package to pass. Even though I've never even been to America.

In 2016, I came across TumblrInAction. That was when I heard about SJWs. I was already aware of people like that, and I found these people obnoxious. So I kept posting on the subreddit to laugh at SJWs. Which lead me to watching YouTubers like Bearing. Which lead to me finding Blaire White. Who is a tranny, but even he was against atrocities like transgender children, hate speech laws, non binary identities and self ID laws. So I listened to the other side. I side I initially believed was homophobic - only to learn that no, not all critics of LGBT ideology are homophobic. Watching Blaire White did reinforce my support for trans people, but I stopped supporting non-binaries and child sex changes. So it was still an improvement on my part.

In 2017, Canada passed the compelled speech act. This lead me to become even more weary of transgenderism. Also that year, more countries passed self-ID laws, which left me concerned. By 2018, trannies began dominating discourse topics that were supposed to be about homosexuals. By 2019, this had gotten incredibly annoying and frustrating. On top of that, I stopped watching Blaire White because he became obnoxious. Later that year, Mister Metokur posted his infamous video about sex change operations. And that was when the remainder of my support for transgenderism vanished. How could I be on board with brutal surgeries that don't achieve what the patient wanted, or at least was told what he wanted. So now I no longer support transgenderism. I see it as a danger to society.

cephyrious · 2022-12-26T13:31:37+00:00

If you ask any old, conservative person if men can become women or vice versa you will be laughed at. The main emboldening issue for the whole trans ideology is that before the 1950s, if you asked any old, conservative person if black people should have the exact same rights as white people, or if men should be able to marry men, you would get the same response. So obviously, since the world has accepted that racism and homophobia are morally wrong (and I agree), they just assume that it is the same regressive attitude they need to overcome this time. They are morally right, and history will prove it, they think. But the problem is that they are not making a moral claim, like previous civil rights groups did. They are making a claim about reality, and we have more objective ways to determine the truth of reality claims. And those ways are pretty much not agreeing with them in any way, shape or form.

Airbus320 · 2022-12-25T20:20:57+00:00

I peaked when I saw jews was funding it

UncleWillard56 · 2022-12-25T15:41:53+00:00

I'm not against it as a treatment for a mental disorder, which is the line we're being fed as far as gender dysphoria. But as per usual, it's turned into this toxic cult instead of just a treatment for a condition. I do not understand how it went from individuals treating a perceived condition to we now run the language, it's a mortal sin to refer to us by our birth name/gender, and you can lose your job if you don't respect pronouns. Again, it's part of the toxic, tribal culture that has resulted from people valuing what they are incidentally, instead of what they've achieved.

FlyingKangaroo · 2022-12-26T09:07:53+00:00

When I was a child and young teenager I obviously didn’t have a clue about it and didn’t care (would probably be against), unfortunately something in my teenage years had changed.

I met two girls from my school (different classes) who became my friends. I met the first one because I was “paired” with her during a certain event made by our school, when we had to do certain charity activities. We talked more. A few months later she was absent for a long time and the second girl (friend to both of us) told me that something difficult is going on but she isn’t sure she can tell me - the absent one is in hospital. My mind wondered is it a cryptic way to say she has a cancer or something. I was very worried. Some time later I contacted the absent girl on Skype. We talked and she revealed she is a FTM, wants to transition and prefers a male name, etc. I wanted to be supportive because she was my friend so I switched name and pronouns while addressing her. I wanted to let her know I support her. At school, no teacher knew (I think?), she was only using it in private conversation with her closest friends (including me and third girl).

During our teenage years she was still trans, after going to high school in that other school she began to used a male name and pronouns and unfortunately all teachers used it too. All students as well, although I believe there were some who were secretly joking or just acted suspicious. It was also a small private school so it can explain something too. She was always a tomboy but of course her style became much more “masculine” in high school, aka looking like a depressed boy in a hoodie, even shorter hair but not super short.

She was also weird, she had some smart talents but also dated online from a young age (which was super weird for me), said she had “boyfriends” from far away parts of the world (Asia), I learned one day accidentally she also liked some Facebook pages about ecchi when she was ~13. Grooming in plain sight but I didn’t even think much about it.

Our trinity was close because we all seemed like “outcasts” and were introverted and had some more niche interests. Eventually the third girl came out as bisexual sometime, later pansexual and somewhere after it - nonbinary. She began to use in private conversations neutral pronouns which sound really cursed in my language. I agreed, not to hurt her feelings.

About 2 years later we all parted because these two girls (FTM and nonbinary) decided to cut contact with me, even though nothing seemed to me like they planned it. The reason was eventually that they found me too innocent, called me a bigot (for supposedly not agreeing enough with all queer stuff that exists), they focused more on their sexuality and I was too vanilla and not queer for them. At first I was confused over losing two close friends but then I came to realized it’s better that way for me and that actually their shenanigans were harmful for me, making me wither confused or depressed.

Then I realized how harmful the trans thing is, first I rejected the nonbinary variant of it (seemed much more illogical and based on stereotypes) but then I also saw such qualities exist in the “classic” trans identity too (FTM and MTF). I began to understand the pattern of anxiety, coming from toxic or abusive families, being an outcast and unhealthy obsessions, issues with body image. I understood that transition is not a way to help those with dysphasia, it harms their bodies and fuels their problems. As I saw with the FTM friend, even though she started transition (in a “social” way aka using new name and style change; supposedly she was taking hormones too which is weird because she weren’t 18 yet and we live in kinda conservative country) there was always something which would make her spiral into suicide thoughts. Nothing was ever perfect, there was only pain and confusion. I also felt bitter over how schizophrenic it all felt, using name and pronouns for someone who isn’t even a man but people around agreed to call her such if she demands so.

One day when she stood near me I got a glimpse of her ID with female name and identification info on it, I wonder if she ever changed it or not.

Beside these two whom I know irl, I knew online some people who turned out to be trans (all FTMs, one nonbinary). That being said, most of them trooned out after our contact loosened, there was only one FTM whom I know online while it was going on. She was also weird, self-harming, bragged out once that her father molested her out of the blue (some inappropriate touching while he came to her room; it seemed to me it didn’t ever happen before that accident she told me about). I think I was urging her to get help, tell school psychologist or something but she didn’t want to. I don’t know how we came to lose contact but I felt grateful in a way for being freed of burden of someone’s trauma.

Now I’m anti-trans in a way I acknowledge it’s evil and harmful (and gives a pass to many rapists as MTFs show us). I think maybe a portion of troons, rather the FTM variants (girls and women in general) might get help, because it’s due to trauma, body issues, etc. I can sympathize a bit but don’t support the trans identity.

I also felt wrecked in a way because I was often that girl who was perfect and had a burden of caring for others, my empathy made me hurt, people who were in charge (teachers) didn’t seem to care much and I was left to be occupied with pains of teenagers I knew, my peers or only a bit older or younger. I didn’t deserve to learn of such cursed things. These people turned out that way because they didn’t get proper help and it will continue to happen if we won’t change it, most girls will be harmed and will spiral into various forms of self-harm (including transition) and boys and men will find ways to harm themselves too or even assault others and go away with it.

Vulptex · 2022-12-25T17:01:16+00:00

I hate it because they're erasing gender dysphoria.

likesomecatfromjapan · 2022-12-29T14:41:38+00:00

Tbh I peaked when everyone came after JK Rowling because nobody read what she actually wrote and just started raging and burning their HP books (even funnier are the people who continue to make HP their entire personality while shitting on her constantly).

M1GarandDad · 2023-01-01T20:46:14+00:00

I peaked when "gender identity" stopped being a disorder, and started being an essential and immutable true self that everyone has.

They're clearly talking about a soul. It's not even a Christian concept of a soul, it's a Gnostic one where mind precedes matter, the body is a prison and all physical existence is an evil illusion. Well I don't believe in souls at all, so I can't force myself to believe in gendered souls, and I'm tired of pretending.

No, I do not have an internal feeling of being a man that is entirely separate from my male body parts and functions. I do not experience, as defined by this Queer Theory propaganda for toddlers, "who a person knows themself to be [...] a boy or a girl", because I have no idea what they mean by "boy" or "girl" in this context. None of them can define those terms without self-reference or sexist cliches.

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