"Nitpicking" (for lack of a better word) trans-identified people's physical features to prove they don't pass ultimately just harms us

submitted by stoptheearth from self.TumblrInAction

I was at first going to say it harms women but it's applicable to everyone, nevertheless I'll use women as the primary example since I am one. Square jaws and sharp chins, facial hair, thick eyebrows, deep voices, hairlines, wide foreheads, broad shoulders, narrow hips etc etc exist on women. We say TRA enforce gender stereotypes, but aren't we doing the same with physical stereotypes? Feels like we're throwing women who don't fit in the traditional image of dainty femininity under the bus to out the fetishists.

Ex. if Frida Kahlo was some obscure undocumented figure, she'd probably be labeled as trans nowadays solely based on her facial features. Either by TRA crying she was a man deep down, or ironically by anti-TRA claiming that she was a man in a wig.

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[–]cephyrious 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You raise a good point. Now that trans women who are attracted to men feel emboldened to present as women on dating sites, and not necessarily be upfront about the transness, it makes men second-guess women with any masculine feature. Especially if they are also tall. Which is sad, since I don't mind a woman with certain such features, but I wouldn't touch a trans woman in a dating setting with a 10 foot pole. Or any pole. Or any limb.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a feature, not a bug. You turn women against transgenderism because deep down, most of them don't want to be accused of being a man. Women tend to be liberal leaning and tend to be okay with all sorts of liberal ideas as long as it doesn't affect them.

I'm sure we've all read stories of a husband trooning out to his Trans Ally wife who promptly divorces him.

The potential threat of being misidentified is a lite version of that. You turn it from being a theoretical that's easy to ignore into a negative they are confronted with.

[–]stoptheearth[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I understand your point, it just bothers me that friendly fire is needed to make other women realize this. But it also seems efficient since they end up offended when they're told they look trans lol

[–]shatnermouth 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The most masculine featured woman will still be unmistakably female, whereas the fakest and most surgically altered to look like a bimbo man will still be unmistakably male. I agree it's mean to make fun of people's appearances since it's besides the point - you can always tell.

[–]stoptheearth[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Genuinely curious, what do you think about Jazz Jennings? Or Blaire White?

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They'll never pass

[–]shatnermouth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jazz looks more and more like a sad gay boy with moobs as he ages. Blaire White I don't really watch videos or anything of, but I'm sure like anything else, a mask can only convince so far. I guess you can make the argument that a completely rebuilt face can be transformative, but there are still signals. They're subtle but they're there.

[–]xoenix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans ideology breaks social contracts. I once had a job interview over the phone and accidentally "misgendered" the caller because she had a deep voice. I was briefly embarrassed, she was probably used to it, but we moved on and had a good working relationship. I wasn't suspecting she was stealth trans.

These days however... what should I think?

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And here's another thread pointing out, for the 1000000th time, that trans agenda = classic gender stereotypes. It's no different from when women who are tall, strong or outspoken or sporty were considered "not ladylike".

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes you are seeing the regressive nature of trans ideology. Whereas previously the liberal ideal was to allow people to be true to themselves and defy gender stereotypes, i.e. women can be masculine in ways and men can be feminine in ways... Gender ideology says the opposite, if you are a woman with masculine traits you are probably a man, and if you are a man with feminine traits you may be a woman.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Frida Kahlo had a box. Trannies have septic axe wounds. There's no need to get nitpicky.

[–]stoptheearth[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well yeah but I was talking about her facial features

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She had a mustache, some women do, I wonder why they don't shave or they could pluck or laser it maybe. But they still look like women, just ugly. A man will just have a Different face, hard to describe but you can always tell.