Happy to see this sub isn't filled with hate for vegans!

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Hello my fellow vegoons!

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[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

That's because it's been open for 9 months and has 4 posts, including this information-free one.

Just wait for your people to start posting hate, and you'll get the treatment that you're accustomed to receiving.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a warm welcome xD

[–]pierogi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's not the vegans who post hate.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Sure it is! As morally superior humans, vegans are quite rightfully able - nay, obligated to look down on lesser humans and tell them their disgust. A typical example: https://imgur.com/a/pYyY6d8

No currently living person is morally acceptable. People who aren’t activists reorienting their entire lives around acknowledging and combatting the evils of the world aren’t even on the scale. And people who are such activists are (in the words of one of my friends who is close to that community) "only making comfortable sacrifices that let them think of themselves as a good person within their existing comfortable moral paradigm, instead of confronting the raw terrible truth." IE "If you think you’re one of the good ones, you’re wrong".

The average meat-eater isn’t even on the scale. The average vegetarian still eats milk and cheese, and so is barely even trying. Even most vegans probably use some medical product with gelatin, or something tested on lab rats, or are just benefiting from animal suffering in some indirect way.

[–]pierogi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Seems like you have an inferiority complex. Also your "typical example" of "vegans looking down on other people" is some weird note taken completely out of context that isn't even an actual example of your claim?

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

LOL. I back up my claim with evidence and you bat it aside like it doesn't exist.

You seriously are not aware of the moral superiority of vegans? They don't eat meat, while the rest of us force animals to suffer? You don't see how that qualifies them to not only look down on us, but shit all over us every chance they get? You haven't seen it? I find it unbelievable.

[–]pierogi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LOL. I back up my claim with evidence and you bat it aside like it doesn't exist.

You didn't "back up" your claim. You said vegans posted hate and it's why society treats them badly, yet your evidence of that is one (1) post of some random notes that could have been written by anyone (an internet troll, for example) and even if they were written by an actual vegan, where's the context of that? What if the vegan in question took in a friend into their home and set some ground rules, is it really so outrageous to not want meat in your plant based household? I don't think so.

You seriously are not aware of the moral superiority of vegans? They don't eat meat, while the rest of us force animals to suffer? You don't see how that qualifies them to not only look down on us, but shit all over us every chance they get? You haven't seen it? I find it unbelievable.

I don't rape people - does that automatically make me morally superior to rapists? - in my opinion, yes. Do I "shit on them every chance I get"? No. Do you know why? Because I don't spend most of my day thinking about abusers and comparing myself to them. I have a life of my own that doesn't revolve around rapists and their lives. You sound like you carry some guilt around eating animal products and are extremely insecure when confronted with vegans who - in your own words - are morally superior. They informed themselves on the subjects of factory farming, climate change and the ethics of eating sentient beings and made a tough but much needed change in their lives & on the other hand there's you who clearly wouldn't be able to commit to such a change and instead of asking yourself why or just moving on with your life you feel the need to put down the people who make you insecure about continuing to support animal abuse.

From my personal experience with the many meat eaters, vegetarians and vegans I know, meat eaters instigate 100% of the arguments about the different diets/moral stances of vegans and vegetarians, their ""arguments"" are usually weak and ignorant like "I couldn't give up meat", "how do you get your protein", "soy makes you feminine" etc. Vegans and vegetarians are a huge minority and they can sure as hell read the room and know they won't have a good discussion in an enviorenment of otherwise 100% meat eaters. Changing someone's mind on something they have literally been doing for their entire lives is close to impossible and generally a waste of time, which is why 99% of the time vegans and vegetarians just keep to themselves and don't bring up their different lifestyle to people who aren't openly interested to changing their own minds or at least open to a have a healthy debate.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You sound like you carry some guilt around eating animal products and are extremely insecure when confronted with vegans who - in your own words - are morally superior.

LOL no. I love meat, and would raise, kill and butcher my own meat if it were in the least bit plausible.

They informed themselves on the subjects of factory farming, climate change and the ethics of eating sentient beings and made a tough but much needed change in their lives & on the other hand there's you who clearly wouldn't be able to commit to such a change

Haha, there you go. Reciting chapter and verse about how you're so morally superior. So easily you begin the chant.

99% of the time vegans and vegetarians just keep to themselves and don't bring up their different lifestyle

The evidence doesn't support your assertion. You presented no citations in support of your argument. How do you tell if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

[–]pierogi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Haha, there you go. Reciting chapter and verse about how you're so morally superior. So easily you begin the chant.

What chapter, what verse, what chant? Lmao. Imagine being so butthurt over people making choices that lead to better, healthier and more empathetic lives, I guess you don't have to imagine that but still.

The evidence doesn't support your assertion. You presented no citations in support of your argument.

What evidence lmao??? Your one random note that could've been written by you, for all I know? I said it's my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - what did you want me to do, film every interaction I have ever had with other people so I can cut it into a long ass clip of all the times I've seen meat eaters harassing vegetarians and vegans for no reason at all just so you can have "evidence" of people being shitty to them? Come on, dude

How do you tell if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

I am NOT even vegan dude nor did I "tell you" that, lmao, take your head out of your own ass for a second, please!! On another note, how do you tell if someone's a meat eater? Don't worry, they'll come onto a forum specifically meant for vegans to talk shit about them and then get defensive when confronted :DD

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

better, healthier and more empathetic lives

You just can't stop telling the world how morally superior you are. That's why vegans get such pushback: their self-perceived moral superiority enables them to scorn others, and when those others scorn back, it is received with genuine outrage. How dare the peasants criticize the nobility? Dirty deplorables!

[–]finistratbob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the way, yes. I also very often notice the hate towards vegetarians and especially vegans. I understand that there may be different opinions and different reasons to adhere to this way of life. For example, perhaps someone is against cruelty towards animals, someone does not eat animal products, and someone else has many other reasons. And it is probably normal that someone else does not accept this and lives by their own standards, but for some reason decides that he has the right to condemn ...