Reddit Blackout & WotB - Welcome!

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Our home away from home for a spell.

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[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Copy/paste of u/FThumb's Reddit post, "Reddit is killing third-party applications (and itself).":

On July 1st, 2023, Reddit intends to alter how its API is accessed. This move will require developers of third-party applications to pay enormous sums of money if they wish to stay functional, meaning that said applications will be effectively destroyed. In the short term, this may have the appearance of increasing Reddit's traffic and revenue... but in the long term, it will undermine the site as a whole.

Reddit relies on volunteer moderators to keep its platform welcoming and free of objectionable material. It also relies on uncompensated contributors to populate its numerous communities with content. The above decision promises to adversely impact both groups: Without effective tools (which Reddit has frequently promised and then failed to deliver), moderators cannot combat spammers, bad actors, or the entities who enable either, and without the freedom to choose how and where they access Reddit, many contributors will simply leave. Rather than hosting creativity and in-depth discourse, the platform will soon feature only recycled content, bot-driven activity, and an ever-dwindling number of well-informed visitors. The very elements which differentiate Reddit – the foundations that draw its audience – will be eliminated, reducing the site to another dead cog in the Ennui Engine.

We implore Reddit to listen to its moderators, its contributors, and its everyday users; to the people whose activity has allowed the platform to exist at all: Do not sacrifice long-term viability for the sake of a short-lived illusion. Do not tacitly enable bad actors by working against your volunteers. Do not posture for your looming IPO while giving no thought to what may come afterward. Focus on addressing Reddit's real problems – the rampant bigotry, the ever-increasing amounts of spam, the advantage given to low-effort content, and the widespread misinformation – instead of on a strategy that will alienate the people keeping this platform alive.

If Steve Huffman's statement – "I want our users to be shareholders, and I want our shareholders to be users" – is to be taken seriously, then consider this our vote:

Allow the developers of third-party applications to retain their productive (and vital) API access.

Allow Reddit and Redditors to thrive.

[–]RandomCollection 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey everyone.

It looks like Reddit has decided to alienate its own platform. I suspect that Saidit and other competitors are going to see a surge, like Lemmy.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Glad to see you hear, welcome to the party!

[–]RandomCollection 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. Glad the backup was set up.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Hi, so did wayofthebern completely disappear on Reddit? I don’t even see it listed as a private community and all my wayofthebern posts are gone?

[–]risistill me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I bookmarked a link WOTB on my toolbar long before it went private.

If I click on the bookmarked link, I see WOTB with a standard reddit notice that it is a private community a more custom message linking us to saidit. And that's all.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's all still there, don't know why it isn't showing up as a private community.

[–]risistill me 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It shows to me (redditrisi) as a private community. All my WOTB posts are invisible to me, though and I cannot access WOTB. Are only the mods "approved members" right now?

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Basically, yes. We're still monitoring things there though there isn't anything really happening other than "join" requests. Some from members, most from suspiciously new accounts. We just use a canned reply about the API blackout with a link to bring them to this sub.

[–]risistill me 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thank you! Reddit periodically unsubscribes me from r/WOTB, so I couldn't tell.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Reddit periodically unsubscribes me from r/WOTB

That's bizarre. I know you've mentioned that before and we've had a few other members (and even a couple of mods, if memory serves) complain of the same thing.

[–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's happened every time I think to check. I just refuse to take a hint. (-;

I should remember to check more often. Technically, reddit can ban me because I keep posting and voting in WOTB while (involuntarily) unsubscribed.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I should remember to check more often.

A suggestion for the next time it happens:

Make a short Reddit Post describing this effect that you have (just then) personally witnessed, and tell others how to quickly check to see if it has happened to them, and how to fix it. There may be hundreds out there, unknowing.

Relaying personal experience is better than saying "some person said this happened."

[–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, if the "indefinite" protest ends and I remember to do the OP. (Feel free to remind me, if I forget.)

I seldom remember to keep checking my own status.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

It seems to still exist, just tucked away.

my wayofthebern posts are gone?

Even when you look though your own post history?

[–]risistill me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

yes.

If I log into reddit as redditrisi (risi is "still me"), I see the OPs I've posted in WOTB, but no comments that I've posted in WOTB.'

On edit. No, I see nothing that I have posted in WOTB, neither the OPs nor the comments/replies. I see only what I posted in other subs.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As I said to someone else, that's just mean of Reddit.

Even if you are blocked from seeing anyone else's words, you should still be able to see your own.

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Denying someone access to their own property should be illegal, not only mean.

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You think you own the input you gave reddit? Reddit disagrees.

[–]risistill me 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As "author" of my posts, I own the copyright in whatever I write that is original with me (not something I quoted, for example), yes. Reddit gets to use whatever I post. It's in the reddit user agreement. Same is true for every board on which I've ever posted.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes, even when I look through my own history it doesn’t show up. It’s almost as if it was banned? I thought it was just private for the last few days?

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I was trying to archive some old memorable posts from our sidebar, which I still havee access to, but it just archived the "private" page.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yay, thanks. I can see it again.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps it’s because I’m not approved (even though I’m a member of the sub). Can you make me an approved member of the original sub so I can see the sub? I assume being approved allows me to see my comments and post there while it’s still private? Thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s so strange. On my mobile app I can’t see it. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

it just archived the "private" page.

HAha.

There's a trick: the archiver has a Reddit account. Approve that specific account for viewing, and it should work.

The account name should be somewhere on the archived private page.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Excellent, that worked like a charm!

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Now, you do realize that means that anybody can archive parts of this "private" subreddit, right?
As long as they have the URL of what part they want?

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

NOW you tell me.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really don't see a problem with it.

For example: Now (https://archive.is/DajiU) and Yesterday (https://archive.is/sldTa)
and the day before (https://archive.is/YSkMT) for completeness.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Neither do I really.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's nuts, and mean.

Naughty Reddit designers!

I (somehow) was able to check, and yes, your stuff is still in existence. Once things unlock, it should still be there.

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    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    While the community is set as private, it appears that rank-and-file members can't see their old comments and history.

    Damn. That's cold.

    You should still be able to see your own words, even if you are not allowed to see anyone else's.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm guessing that IF r/WayoftheBern opens back up (we don't know how long this is actually gonna run) there's gonna be quite a bit of archiving going on.

      [–]shatabee5 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      I miss my over 300k meaningless karma. 😢

      lol

      [–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      It's just internet points. I had considerably less, but I honestly don't care about it.

      [–]shatabee5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It's my sole validation....without it I am nothing...

      just kidding.

      [–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      How do I know if I have value if I don't get approval from a corporation? /s

      [–]shatabee5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      oh, no, a tool of the security state propaganda machine doesn't like what I'm saying!

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        How do you feel about Facebook nowadays?

        Same as always, I've always hated it.

        [–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Sterile, boring, carefully managed and manipulated.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        And too many users are oblivious to the personal information they're putting out there, ripe for abuse. Sadly, most tech users are totally clueless. My nephew bought a used late model SUV with Bluetooth installed that hadn't been wiped either by the previous owners or the dealership and within minutes he knew who they were, where they lived, the names and numbers of everyone they'd had phone contact with, etc.

        [–]yaiyen 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        The bad thing about saidit its not user friendly compare to Reddit. It remind me of linux, so much potential it had but wasted it. So linux never went mainstream

        [–]Maniak🥃😾 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Are you comparing it to the unusable utter shit that is new.reddit? :)

        Because compared to old.reddit, outside of a few missing features and a buggy night mode it should all (mostly) be there.

        It even has a mobile app! (Granted it hasn't been updated in ages and doesn't seem to be on the play store anymore, but shush)

        [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

        From the Tech wing of the Old Jokes Home:

        Actually, Linux is user-friendly. It just chooses its friends carefully :-)

        [–]yaiyen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        🤣🤣🤣

        [–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Hello all- hoping to see Reddit cave on this, but I'm not holding my breath.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

        Reddit Blackout: Over Six Thousand Communities Go Private To Protest 3rd-Party App Shutout

        [–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

        What I find interesting now, is which subs are ignoring the protest. r/politics, r/news, r/democraticparty, a lot of the shill controlled 'lefty' power subs.

        [–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Hi, this is u/redditrisi (because I could not either log in or start a new account as redditrisi and could not start a new account as sockofredditrisi).

        I don't venture outside WOTB much. Are those subs modded by people who also mod umpteen other reddit subs?

        [–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Yes they are.

        [–]risistill me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        O, my prophetic soul!

        My question was not purely rhetorical. I was maybe 25% uncertain.

        [–]stickdog 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well, at least we know the CIA stance on Reddit's API. Total control or bust.

        [–]InumaGaming Socialist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Anti-war holding it down for that side

        Endless war and Russian war footage countering that falsely advertised train wreck...

        [–]therazorx👹🧹🥇 The road to truth is often messy. 👹📜🕵️🎖️ 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

        The twitch stream tracking shutdowns had over 7000 subs about an hour or so ago.

        Edit: Found the link : 7969 as of the time of this comment.

        [–]3andfro 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

        Does anyone know the total number of Reddit subs for perspective on nearly 8000?

        [–]InumaGaming Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Link

        [–]3andfro 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        And there's little WotB, near the bottom of that long list, in the 50K+ category.

        [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, but all WotB members are above average :-)

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

        7978 out of 8304 pledged at the moment, so the numbers may still be increasing.

        But that's just the reporting on one twitch stream. There could be others going dark without registering their intent.

        The problem with counting subscribers (which would be a lovely number to have) is overlap.

        [–]3andfro 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

        Thanks. I had no idea the blackout covered such a large % of subs. 👍🏽

        A call for a general labor strike wouldn't approach that level.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

        I had no idea the blackout covered such a large % of subs. 👍🏽

        Well, "percentage of subs" can mean many things. That is a very high percentage of subs that said they were gonna do it doing it, but out of the millions of subreddits that currently exist, not so much.

        Of all the subreddits with over 10,000 people in them, we don't know the percentage of that group.

        [–]3andfro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

        That was the Q: how many subs are there in total, even a ballpark figure.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The extra problem is this: If you divide subreddits into "functioning" and "non-functioning" subreddits, we do not know how many of the about 8000 dark subreddits are on which side of the line.

        You could assume that the 8000 are all in the "only 7,500 actually functioning subreddits," (to arbitrarily choose a number), but you'd be wrong.

        [–]3andfro 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Seems the same issue would arise for that (inflated?) total number of subs from Maniak's comment.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Alternatively, you could go to subredditstats, choose one of their criteria, and scroll waaaay down to the Xth sub on that list and see how "actual" the Xth sub actually is.

        If it turns out that the 5000th sub ranked by "comments per day" is pretty dead, well, there ya go.

        [–]3andfro 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        So we don't know, and probably can't know, how many subs and how many users (even with overlapping membership across subs) are participating in the blackout. Not surprising, but a tad frustrating.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Not surprising, but a tad frustrating.

        Even more frustrating (maybe): Reddit could know. And probably does.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

        how many subs are there in total, even a ballpark figure.

        Well, Maniak grabbed and dove into the Pushshift Data Dump, looking for WayoftheBern, and found it in a "ranked by posts+comments" ranking at #714 out of about 13.5 million alleged subreddits, each with an individual name.

        We're on line 714 out of 13575389

        Best "ballpark" I can give you. Upper bound of "number of subreddits" : 13,575,389. You could theoretically crawl through the same database and see how many of those 13.5 million would count as "actual" subs, if you could define the term by "total comments+posts."

        Simply see what line the smallest "actual" sub is on, and Bob's your uncle.

        [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

        Well, Maniak grabbed and dove into the Pushshift Data Dump, looking for WayoftheBern, and found it in a "ranked by posts+comments" ranking at #714 out of about 13.5 million alleged subreddits, each with an individual name.

        Addendum to this, I used a "subreddit_counts.txt" file that was made specifically for this purpose, and those subreddits include the "user subs", with a fuckton of subs named "u_{username}", which explains the 13.5 million.

        Going up to the first lines where the count is at least 1000 brings me to r/discountharmony at 1000, still with a lot of user subs above that. Whether or not they should be counted as proper subs is another question.

        In any case, and that's without having information about which ones are actually active, the number of subs that have any kind of significance when it comes to usage and traffic is way, way, WAY below the 2.8 million number that was asserted in the thread above.

        The 100k mark (for posts + comments) is crossed at line 12075 with r/imagesofflorida at 100001.

        On the other end of the list, the #1 sub is r/askreddit with 746,740,850 posts+comments, that one is participating in the blackout.

        #2 is r/politics, that one is as usual being an establishment bitch.

        Then r/funny, r/pics, r/worldnews, r/memes, r/teenagers, r/nba, the only remaining ones above 100M. Of those, only r/worldnews and r/memes are not participating.

        So basically, as far as content is concerned, the top 8 subs have more than 1.5 billion posts+comments. Of those, about 1.2 billion are blacked out.

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        with a fuckton of subs named "u{username}",

        Don't suppose you could send a "string counter" program through to tell how many "u/" and "r/" strings there are in the database?

        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        The 100k mark (for posts + comments) is crossed at line 12075 with r/imagesofflorida at 100001.

        In my head I was estimating about 15,000 "actual" subreddits, whatever that term would actually mean.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Thanks for that update.

        [–]therazorx👹🧹🥇 The road to truth is often messy. 👹📜🕵️🎖️ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        I wonder how many of the shills would follow us here...

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        I think shills will go wherever they think the action is.

        [–]Maniak🥃😾 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        But the absence of a downvote button may fry their lone braincell.

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Great point, hadn't thought of that!

        [–]3andfro 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I've seen 3 new-to-me usernames dropping shell-worthy ugliness today.

        [–]ExplodingToasterOven 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        You're obviously just an un-person and a thought-criminal. :D

        [–]3andfro 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Or maybe I'm just a hologram, but what neck-bearded basement dweller would've coded Mock and Roll moi? ;D

        [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Nailed. "ugliness" is right!

        [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        Reddit suffers a major outage after thousands of subreddits temporarily shut down

        "A significant number of subreddits shifting to private caused some expected stability issues, and we’ve been working on resolving the anticipated issue," Reddit told Engadget in a statement. At 1:26PM, the company said the outage was resolved and things were back to normal, barring the protest.

        [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I can see this happening if they hardcoded subs for optimization. Their mistake is that this is a temporary solution that should have been fixed

        [–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Leave it to Reddit to have "a major outage" because of less activity and resource usage.

        [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        You've got hundreds of thousands of bots pinging subreddits they can't access, effectively a DDOS.

        [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        I need to grab my tiny violin to be sad for them then :'(

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–]InumaGaming Socialist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          There's a new saying too:

          F around and Find Out

          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          As of last week, the number of participating subreddits was just over 3,000. But by Monday morning, the number had climbed to more than 6,200 communities, according to a Twitch stream tracking the protest. With the blackout, participating subreddits have posted brief messages alerting users that they are protesting the company’s planned API changes. Most have committed to a 48-hour blackout, but at least 60 subreddits say they plan to protest “indefinitely” until the company walks back its changes. Many are also urging users not to browse Reddit at all. Some have also set up Discord servers to encourage subscribers to stay off of Reddit.

          [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Some have also set up Discord servers to encourage subscribers to stay off of Reddit.

          Whoever came up with Saidit as a WotB escape hatch was pretty sharp.

          [–]InumaGaming Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I watched One Piece community decide to move and Warframe is going Mastodon.

          Some of the fighting game subs are staying but we are watching the Digg effect

          [–]yaiyen 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          I have a bad feeling that they will try to take down saidit by posting very provocative post, just like they did on discord so mods have to become more strict

          [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Eh, the rest of Saidit, is a bit 4chan-y. It would have to be a hell of a post.

          [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          don't underestimate them

          [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It has already started.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          That’s their standard MO. They send in provocateurs to get subs banned.

          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          We already have tools in place to hopefully counter that, those provided by SaidIt and our own unique arsenal.

          [–]yaiyen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          So this was just off day for you guys, thought reddit made the sub private lol

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Which brings up a question: the "sub is private" page is supposed to show a block of text that describes why the sub went private (blackout), for how long (back on wednesday) and with a link to the SaidId mirror.

          Did you get this but just focused on the big "sub is private" part or did you somehow get a version of the page that didn't include this text?

          We got a few approval requests today even though everything is supposed to be explained right on the page, which is kinda weird, especially when they come from regulars :)

          [–]yaiyen 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          This is what happen when you are too paranoid and don`t read whole thing🤣

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          At least you're not alone in doing that, but still, the whip you'll get! :)

          [–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          This WOTB Reddit sub has a message about the blackout in addition to directing folks here.

          [–]possiBri 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          obv I'm not yaiyen lol but just to throw in my experience: I forgot about the protest, tried to access the sub and then did get the message about the protest and the link here. I use a version of "old" reddit so I can only say that at least for me I did see the full message =]

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Ok so at least you got the expected Reddit behavior, that's something :)

          Maybe there are issues with the new.reddit or mobile app versions but... well... those have always been absolute shit so it would be expected :/

          [–]3andfro 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Hello, all!

          Around this time 8 years ago, another Great Migration began. We'll see whether this exodus is temporary or becomes permanent.

          [–]send_nasty_stuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I came to saidit during the reddit banout of 2018

          Here's a catchup on some of those 2018 events.

          https://rareddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/9fud2i/rthebanout2018_from_start_to_finish/

          Long story short myself and many other unwelcome users came here to saidit and have been here ever since. AMA.

          (Ironically I first went to reddit when DIGG collapsed in 2010)

          [–]LabryonGlobalismRuins 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Yep, this time it’s 3 days short of The Ides of June 😂

          [–]3andfro 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Many of us moved to the hastily created k4s in response to the dkos Ides of March diktat. iirc, it was closer to this time of year that Thumb created WotB when k4s sadly succumbed to mod drama.

          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

          For RES users, just found out there's a version for SaidIt, instructions are here: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/je/res_for_saidit_supports_chrome_opera_firefox_and/

          u/FThumb and u/Maniak, just FYI

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

          Have been using it since the first day :)

          It triggers an error in the extension console, but it mostly works, night theme included. Except for a few issues that I tried fixing via the sub stylesheet, but that one doesn't seem to be working on saidit. It removes the banner and ignores the rest for some reason...

          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

          Can't believe you've been holding out on me all this time.

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

          That'll teach you to trick me into the mod thing everywhere!

          [–]InumaGaming Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          They got you!

          Your running game is weak!

          [–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I don't run. Which may be my mistake :/

          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

          yawn.

          BTW, I found another post saying that enabling RES in SaidIt disables it in Reddit, and that seems to prove out: https://www.saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/688o/res_port_for_saidit_replaces_res_original/

          What a PITA.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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            [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I like the cut of your jib, matey.

            [–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            Never had an issue, at least not on chrome/brave. Have the two extensions clearly separated, and each only triggered on its specific domain.

            [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

            Enabling in Firefox, disabled RES in Reddit for me.

            [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

            Same. It also removed it from my add-ons list (instead of just parking under the "disabled" list) so I had to search for it in add-ons and enable it there after first disabling the SaidIt version.

            [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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              [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              That's been suggested by various people, not sure how much traction the idea has gotten due to concerns about how many WAYers would actually make the migration. There's also the possibility that this platform could eventually get compromised in the same way. Just speaking for myself, I think it's an idea that should be given greater consideration considering recent events.

              [–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Doesn't Firefox have a way to specify which domains an extension is enabled on?

              If one is set to reddit.com and the other to saidit.net, as it is in Chrome/Brave, there's no reason why they would interfere with each other.

              Unless the Firefox version of the extension is bugged out and thinks it's the Reddit extension being updated :)

              [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              It no doubt has to do with how it's added to Firefox. For the Reddit version as I recall, you just clicked on "add this to Firefox" but the instructions for the SaidIt version I posted earlier links to a zip file that you download and extract and via a convoluted mechanism add to Firefox. Checked the Firefox add-ons page for RES and also their website and there's only the one for Reddit.

              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Hi friends. Happy Monday!

              [–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

              Hello Reddit Refugees!

              [–]3andfro 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              This refugee thing seems strangely familiar....

              [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

              Meta request: Can we import all the post flairs from reddit? And allow customizable user flairs?

              [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

              Customizable user flairs are enabled but the post flairs will have to be added - manually, most likely, I don't see a way to import them but I'll check with our resident Maniak to be sure. No problem if it has to be manual, it's not like the other place is keeping me busy!!

              [–][deleted]  (29 children)

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                [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                Interesting. It looks like the rank-and-file user still can't edit their flair-

                It let me edit mine....

                [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                We found the problem and it's now apparently been fixed.

                [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Yay! also https://www.saidit.net/s/wayofthebern/comments (my preferred method of reading the entire sub all at once) works over here too!

                [–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Funny, never even clicked on that tab :)

                Made me notice that the rounded borders are only for link posts and comments on the 'normal' pages (for some reason) but hey, the shadows are still working, that's the most important.

                [–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                It looks like the rank-and-file user still can't edit their flair- when I try, it gives me "flair selection unavailable".

                Not just the rank & file. User flair edit is enabled in the settings and yet... "flair selection unavailable"

                Might be a SaidIt thing. Not everything is working :)

                (such as traffic stats :'( )

                [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

                Well how annoying, it's set to enable this. Do me a favor and do a test post and try to set the post flair? You should be able to do this as well.

                [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

                I couldn't set my user flair either. Maybe because I'm a brand-new user?

                I was planning to use "Post No Toasties" :-)

                [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

                Post No Toasties

                I just manually added yours, see if you can edit it.

                I wonder if people have to be added as approved users to get the "privilege" - not how it works on reddit, but who knows?

                [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

                Thanks!

                No, I cannot edit it.

                [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                Meanwhile, I've added you as an approved submitter, would you mind trying again just to see whether that makes a difference?

                [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                "approved submitter" worked. Are there "approved doms" too? :-)

                [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                We could create one just for you!! (not really)

                [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                    Great flair BTW!!

                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    No idea, I just kept toggling switches in the user flair options. I think I may have found the less-than-obvious-but-important switch but we shall see.

                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                    Aarrgh! Let me do some research to try and figure out why.

                    [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                    Maybe the "make a flair" option needs to be added to the list of selectable flairs? Currently there are none available to select from.

                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                    Okay, added that, see if it changes anything.

                    [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                    test post

                    Works for me.

                    User flair, not so much.

                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    I toggled the user flair options off and back on, can you see if that made a difference?

                    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    If worse comes to worst, we can add each user's chosen flair. The reason this doesn't work well usually is because people like to change up their flair as the mood strikes them.

                    [–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                    Sup digital nomads!

                    [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                    For the KOS refugees, it's just a Monday.

                    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    Funniest part is that I was migrating in a different path and have a similar story...

                    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                      [–]InumaGaming Socialist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      We find an oasis...

                      We get the water we need...

                      Build as we can...

                      Then head into the desert to make another oasis...

                      The life of a digital Nomad is a harsh one...

                      [–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                      WotB is the only subreddit I ever look at, though I am subbed to a few, and I'll admit to looking around r/funny from time to time. If this (SaidIt) were where I knew I could find all the posters and commenters from over at Reddit all the time, I would just come here. If there's a real migration going on, I'm in.

                      [–]Maniak🥃😾 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                      At the very least, ThisSub isn't going anywhere, so if Reddit executives insist on blowing their platform up, a kernel of the Reddit WotB will be here :)

                      And on the plus side: no shitty new.reddit version that some profit-hungry dipshits try to force down the users' throats \o/

                      (And on the very plus side, I don't have to carry this stupid underscore around here)

                      [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      20K subs here. Isn't that ~ 25% already?

                      [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      20K subs here. Isn't that ~ 25% already?

                      So I checked (as is my wont...)
                      According to a March 2022 archive of this place, fifteen months ago, it had 19,741 "readers." Now 19,750.

                      So most in here now had already gotten their lifeboat papers in order. Which give us a theoretical advantage.

                      Including being on Page Two of the most-subscribed-to subs. https://www.saidit.net/subs/popular/

                      (As a side note, if you are logged in, that page also gives you a list of all the subs you are automatically subbed to, just in case you want to unsub from any of them.)

                      [–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      I'm impressed.

                      [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                      Great to hear. We really should be looking at it as a more long-range alternative because I'm thinking the writing is on the wall at Reddit.

                      [–]Promyka5When in the course of human events... 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      I'll hate to lose my posting history, but it's a small price to pay for the kind of autonomy that seems to be available here on SaidIt. Here's to a smooth migration, if it comes to that!

                      [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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                        [–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                        I get depressed about that too, but then I remember that human beings, especially cowards, have an imperative for self preservation.

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                          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                          There have been too many seriously close calls already

                          That most of us never heard about, unfortunately.

                          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                          For those who haven't seen Command and Control about a deadly accident at a Titan II missile complex in Damascus, Arkansas in 1980, I would highly recommend it, it's chilling. The thing that struck me most was the lack of knowledge and experience at the highest levels of command that the silo operators sought help from; the general who had been recently appointed to oversee the nuclear program had ZERO knowledge and experience with nuclear weapons. Ultimately, it was the specially trained "fire" crews that saved the day, many of them losing their lives as a result.

                          [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

                          But hey, I'm sure that there'll be something on the teevee tonight to take my mind off of it...

                          While we're attacking frontally,
                          Watch Brinkally and Huntally,
                          Describing contrapuntally
                          The cities we have lost.
                          No need for you to miss a minute
                          Of the agonizing holocaust. Yeah!

                          -- Tom Lehrer, So Long, Mom

                          [–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          And there's a lot of that particular group.

                          [–]ageingrockstar 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

                          Don't know why this site didn't go with the name Seddit. That spelling has the bonus of hinting at sedition.

                          [–]hfxB0oyA 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                          Ooo, nice!

                          [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                          Hmmm, I like it!!

                          [–]InumaGaming Socialist 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                          You know what amazes me?

                          I pointed out Digital Migration a long time ago...

                          Now we have to do it and get the internet decentralized again.

                          Thank you tech monopolies for screwing it up so bad, the internet is chaos again!

                          [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                          Eh... But isn't that the nature of things like Greenwald leaving the intercept, Dore leaving TYT, Tucker leaving Fox or O'Keefe being booted from Project Veritas.