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[–]astronautrob 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Man all that for a bad flu, terrible. Really just laughable at this point. We've gone from end of the world to bad flu season in a couple weeks and no one bats an eye. Funny how quickly the sheep can be redirected these days.

[–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm batting an eye, I know lots of people who care deeply. Lots of people have lost their jobs, they care a lot too.

I think people are just starting to figure out what I posted, we're ahead of the curve quite a bit on this narrative when it comes to the mainstream news. They're going to try and downplay it as much as possible, obviously. However some people are definitely deeply concerned.

I understand the frustration though, because a lot of people are just sleepwalking through life and this whole covid thing have made those people more apparent than ever. But don't write off everyone

[–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Stop the virtue signalling my friend. We all care but it's not mutually exclusive to also caring about other things like the economy crashing or people losing their jobs, uptick in domestic violence and child abuse, suicides, depression, or any number of the other preventable causes of death that the news hasn't brainwashed you into caring about, etc. Get off the virtue signalling train and start having an honest conversation about this pandemic. We expect better of you magnora. When I look at your touted pyramid of debate I don't see virtue signalling as one of the options for a acceptable debate avenue. We got tricked and we need to start speaking honestly about instead of playing their games. We all have grandmother's mother's father's who are older and we all care about those individuals but again not exclusive to caring about what else has gone on. Idk what you mean by "we're ahead of the curve" either. From the post I've seen from you and some others, youve been pushing the fear mongering like everyone else. Now we just switch the narrative and say it's "turning out to be" much lower? Lollollol that's what most of us have been saying from the beginning. So again stop the virtue signalling, we all care it's just that some of us have already realized we've been tricked and have been trying to tell the rest of you for weeks now. All we've heard is "OH MY GOD WE just don't know how bad this could be!!!" And "wait and see!!" And more fear mongering type statements. So idk what you mean by people are starting to see what you're posting, you've been pushing the fear mongering from the start. Sorry just calling it like I see it.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop the virtue signalling my friend. We all care but it's not mutually exclusive to also caring about other things like the economy crashing or people losing their jobs

My entire post is about how the flu is much less of a big deal than everyone thought, so I'm not quite sure of your point.

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

The flu has a death rate of about 0.1% usually, so at 0.3% it really is just a bad flu... Which I would've vehemently disagreed with 5 weeks ago, but now it's becoming clear that the death rate was vastly overstated through a combination of bad scientific methodology, government-overreach, and a corrupt hype-driven media.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the end, it will be a 0.03% rate, plus a huge bolus of death certificate fraud.

[–]the_hun 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Which disproves man-made-in-a-lab conspiracies; it's not weapon grade. It was the bat-eaters.

[–]magnora7[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The mortality rate doesn't prove or disprove that it was man-made.

It seems likely it came out of China's only level 4 biolab located in Wuhan, since they were specifically doing coronavirus mutation research. Either that or some western power made it and leaked it in Wuhan to frame China. Or it could be natural.

My money is on it being made in China and accidentally leaking out. Second most-likely is it mutated naturally. Third-most likely is the west framing China scenario. In my opinion. I haven't seen evidence to rule out any of those 3 scenarios out entirely yet though.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'm with you, only i think it came from fort detrick originally.

[–]Robin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You think "EVALI" is of any relation? I've never heard of that before tbh.

Great site btw!

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Certain aspects fit, such as the male bias. The timing and location also kind of fits. So it could be a cover for otherwise hard to explain deaths. Then again, one wouldn't expect it to die down, so I'm not sure. Did it really do that? Or was it masked by other stats? Short of doing autopsies on the affected, who can say?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very true. I honestly didn't even take this into consideration. But everything you said is completely valid. And it's funny how at one point the MSM was making a point to say it was "vaping products strictly from China" (iirc) that were causing this issue.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent. Thanks Robin!

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This bit seems to have data entry probs:

November 2019

ABC News reported in April 2020 that the National Center for Medical Intelligence (based in Fort Detrick) had warned the White House that "a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting."[40]

In late March 2020 Reuters reported that Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy in the last quarter of 2019 may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.[41]

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not really, there are still probably multiple strains, and there are credible reports of "inserts" that are very odd in the structure of the virus.

Further, at this point, mere civilians like us can never verify anything like a bioweapon, that we have no chance of verifying ourselves, so everything we believe about these things is based upon the logical structure of who we trust and find credible, which for most people at the moment is itself dealing with "viral" media that is as dangerous as it is contagious...

The meta, the virtual, is what informs us over real life and death issues in 2020, and people are probably also going to start to stop believing even what they see with their own eyes, and start believing deep fakes.

At some point we will learn that we need trust a lot more than money, and losing trust is just as deadly as losing oxygen. Just ask the people who were probably killed by unnecessary ventilator application.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

mere civilians like us can never verify anything like a bioweapon, that we have no chance of verifying ourselves, so everything we believe about these things is based upon the logical structure of who we trust and find credible

well idk about that. The sequence is out there, y'know? The papers about how to make viruses that aren't classified have been published. Sure there's probably some classified stuff but there's a lot that's not. We can do some amount of investigation ourselves even with little expertise.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

But why did china have so many cases of people collapsing in the street then?

Why did china have to lock down entire cities, with rioting, zombie traffic jams, spraydowns, and welding people into their homes?

My overreaction was because what I saw in china was genuine death, panic, fear, and a clearly overwhelmed medical system, plus the censorship.

Why has no other country experienced that? Do you think there is a chance some of the wuhan videos that leaked out were deep fakes? Do you think there are different strains? Or that something else could have been causing those people to collapse?

So much contradictory information and it is like tv journalists just change their tune from day to day, and censor both serious, non-esoteric doctors AND david icke at the same time. To me it seems like they are not so much disputing their facts, as denying them the chance to be popular, and preserving their spot as the only credible sources, when they are not credible.

Which is freaky, spooky, and plainly tyrannical. Which is to say, you can use youtube as a platform, but if you ever have success, for any reason, you get censored and your users redirected to propaganda.

That is also plainly evil. So who owns and calls the shots at youtube? Youtube music head is a guy named Lyor, and he is from a certain country in the middle east.

[–]Robin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I haven't seen the videos, but if it was man made, I suspect it might be more likely to lose characteristics it was engineered for than if it emerged naturally. So maybe it was more dangerous than the current version.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So you think they might have engineered and released a viral bioweapon that degraded in the wild to mutate to be less dangerous?

That is a pretty wild speculation. Would not then there be different versions of this virus captured in different locations?

That is one of the things that confuses me the most, where are the scientists who are collecting strainss from multiple locations confirming it is the same thing, and whether it is mutating?

[–]Robin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's hard to see a virus, never mind a statistic about a virus. Just within China, how to understand a Wuhan rate of 4.9%, other provinces rate of 0.16%? Mutations and different strains is one possible explanation.

You might think, given how much the next pandemic was prepared and planned, there would not be so much confusion and ignorance about it. Do masks help or don't they? You might think... I'm confident that most people are really trying to help people work out what's going on. But probably not everyone.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The mass media being operated for profit and foreign agendas(not patriotic for the united states), is a core component in all of these problems.

So some of us are becoming the media and using the internet to morph our own solutions into reality, and facing a literal mountain of bullshit as every tactic that works is coopted and used to create more propaganda.

Nice to meet you though, most interactions here today were not constructive so it is nice when someone actually answers a question, I hope I can for you some time.

[–]Robin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just read your 'Adventures Trying to Find Humans on the Internet'. I haven't spent much time on forums, but I can imagine it's frustrating. I read and appreciated your guide about infiltration. And I just noticed a link to R4A on your site - so it occurs to me that you may appreciate - which was way too long for most people's taste/stamina, but might be your thing. Well, that and/or any of the other episodes, of course...

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ive listened to 750 at least 5 times all of the way through, my work belongs on that program but robin is not responding for some reason.

Wait, are you mr upton? idk maybe?

I was listening to episode 209 this morning and one of michael rupperts talks, all of which age very well. Of course no one could predict they would be so nuts as to mine all of the dirtiest and difficult petrochems they could in the ocean, and cause earthquakes with fracking, which is all at the moment going quite pear shaped, as ruppert would have predicted though. They are giving you 30 dollars to take a barrel of oil off their hands lol. Tanker traffic jams, it is kindof funny.

fwiw also in the last 2 weeks I have received 4 threats of violence from my postings. So plz keep an eye on me.

Thank you for the kind words, please spread my site! And especially my meme book, that needs to go far and wide as fast as possible.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it must be you! did you get my emails from jmichael at protonmail? I have reached out to a lot of people, I am concerned my emails might be interdicted, you were one of the people I had really hoped to hear back from. (more than the one time)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There have been reports that it's already mutated multiple times, but like you said, everyone changing their tune every day makes things confusing.

So if it "mutated" multiple times, hypothetically, different countries/nations could be dealing with different "mutated off-shoots" of the original Covid-19, if you believe any of this.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is like the perfect propagandist hobbyhorse, shaggy dog story, horse and pony show, macguffin and monkey paw rolled into one.

Without real journalism and science, and without any rational way to debate(outside of our dialogue on saidit here), people with mass media channels with an agenda can just make up anything they want and threaten us with it while they do anything they want.

You think you could "fight back" but as with the fake lockdown protests at state capitals, even that would be co-opted.

You think you could just call it out for what it is, which David Icke and doctors are doing, but then you get censored as soon as your audience threatens the propaganda ratings.

Quite a pickle, that is why I am writing, that is what my books are about. But there is that thing about a lie traveling around the world while the truth is still getting its pants on. (and facing the threat of paramilitary violence and zerestzung tactics)

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Non peer reviewed paper from last week that lists over a dozen mutations, mostly pretty rare at the moment, but at least one (D614G) seems to be outcompeting its original form. Another one (S943P) is found only in Belgium and is apparently spreading through recombination - i.e. coinfection with other strains in one host allowing different mutations to recombine into a single, fitter, virus. Concerning stuff, especially with a new virus. They may favour re-infectability, i.e. shortening the immunity after a first infection, so the disease becomes an annual event. Note that as of last week Belgium had the highest case fatality rate in the world, >15% :-( - "In China, the CFR was higher in the early stages of the outbreak (17% for cases from 1 to 10 January) and reduced to 0.7% for patients with symptom onset after 1 February." So the first strain might have been really damaging to humans, and got outcompeted by one that was not as deadly but faster spreading (or just not as deadly, since killing people very fast is not a good way to spread widely).

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting, this is informative. Thank you.

17 percent to .7 percent then to .3 percent in california, idk man that is the backwards this plays in the michael crichton novel...

On the other hand it is chaotic, unpredictable, and if this is the key information, no one is saying it on tv, when this is what we need to be watching and making sure our statistics are correct, globally, or there will be no way to calculate any risk.

And idk about you, but if my own psyche is any indication, this "constant uncertainty all of the time" thing is getting old and we are going to start to see people less inclined to balance really start losing it. Plus the unemployment issue, and capital flow issue like rent strikes, and that is what makes me really think the people who are really in the know have a whole other thing going on that is going to either make that irrelevant, or use it to their advantage.

Because they are certainly not being forthcoming with relevant info like this and pushing agendas that nobody wants 24 7.

[–]definitelyanewuser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a viral bioweapon that degraded in the wild to mutate to be less dangerous


[–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And this will be the same thing we hear from all the politicians, power players, etc. Who have been pushing this fear mongering for the last 5 weeks. "I vehemently disagreed with the good science 5 weeks ago and instead of taking a wait a see approach we decided to use fear mongering and break the world economy. BUT NOW it's become clear that because of X and Y and Z, I have now seen the light!" No one can just admit they were wrong, it always has to be that I was wrong BECAUSE of SOMETHING. Dude you got tricked by the media and you were wrong, don't try and back peddle now. You sound like a politician. The government lied to us again, what's new? What's new is some people got tricked by the public health side of things. It was just a new tactic by the government to gain more control. You have to know this by now my friend.

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    [–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't forget the big brother app. that is of course key /also

    [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    lol if they call the virus off after black friday and say the economy needs us to spend, we may learn the true meaning of christmas.

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      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      N. Goldman stated:

      ...if all sorts of freedom-loving governments and organizations “flatter and even fawn before the Bolsheviks ... why shouldn’t supporters of Jewish ethnic and cultural independence follow the same path? ...

      That said, he also stated this, which resembles the current crisis we are in today:

      "The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

      The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.

      The forces preserving traditional society are "free market capitalism" in the social economic realm, and "democracy" in the mental political realm. The capitalist free market does not fight against the old economic order, nor does democracy lead a fierce hot battle against the forces of reaction which oppose the new order, therefore our transformative work will be imposed through the unifying principle of the militaristic spirit, the negative task of destroying the old established order will be completely solved and finished only when the all the human masses are all forcibly collectivized as uniformed soldiers under imposed mass-conformity of new order culturing.

      After destruction of the old order, construction of the new order is a larger and more difficult task. We will have torn out the old limbs from their ancient roots in deep layers, social norms will be lying disorganized and anarchic so they must be blocked against new cultural forms and social catagories naturally re-emerging. The general masses will have been first persuaded to join as equals in the first task of destroying their own traditional society and economic culture, but then the new order must be forcibly established through people again being divided and differentiated only in accordance with the new pyramidal hierarchical system of our imposed global monolithic new world order.

      Capitalism must be condemned as a fundamental misfortune caused by the wealth of capitalist power exploiting the false separation between the high rulers and the oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights, this second task will also be solved only by virtue of the great guiding principle of the subordinating militaristic spirit in which superior ranks impose order on inferiors, which will bring the true aristocratic principle of "might is right" in the new world order: "those who can rule - shall rule".

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      "democracy" in the mental political realm

      Very interesting word choices throughout that are pretty telling imo,

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      New Normal

      It's probably forever.

      [–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't think whether we have a new normal is up for debate any more. It's a question of which new normal. Certain aspects, like consuming and travelling less seem long overdue to me. Other aspects not so much...

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Thank you for the nice write up. It's easy for myself and others to get overwhelmed with how much info and misinfo and everything else that's flying around. This pneumonia graph seems pretty telling, nice.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This pneumonia graph seems pretty telling, nice.

      Proof of the misinformation.

      Funny thing about this particular detail is that the primary symptom that people in Wuhan were reporting was a "dry cough".
      The literal opposite of pneumonia.

      Hmmmmm..... I wonder what it could be....

      [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No problem. I've all this floating around in my head and figured it needed to be said.

      [–]HeyImSancho 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I paid close attention to this from the beginning; primarily I was looking for other things such as the economic impacts. Having that said though, I watched all the 'supposed' leaked footage out of China. I thought it strange as they've got complete control over communications, and I wondered how brave little commies were able to post the stuff.

      Fast forward to now, and the biggest tell tale sign this is all bullshit, is there are hardly any US, Italy, Spain, and videos from elsewhere. This is world takeover by the globalists, mixed in with an economic reset, and that twerps "new green shit deal".

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This is world takeover by the globalists, mixed in with an economic reset, and that twerps "new green shit deal".

      Agreed. It's so much worse than we yet realize.

      [–]Hellothereawesome 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      lol. Meanwhile 60 MILLION people lost their jobs. NICE!

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)


        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Watch out for January 2021. Trump really might be the last US president.

        [–]roastpotatothief 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        At first all the data was unreliable. It's not pure junk but close to it. Nobody thought the real death rate was 3-4%. It was always known that the data was pessimistic, for the reasons given above and others, but we just didn't know by how much. A 1% morbidity would still be very serious.

        The morbidity isn't the bad thing about covid. It's the rate of untreatable viral pneumonia. This keeps people in ICU for weeks consuming beds and people's time. So hospitals have to do harsher triaging.

        That said, lockdown is not the best treatment for this disease. Contact tracing, masks, preventing indoor crowds (especially pubs) are necessary. You also need a lockdown but only in nursing homes. This has also been known from the beginning, but governments have been ignoring the advice.

        [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        What do you think about the videos out of china where people collapse in the street and welding doors shut, etc? Why did wuhan have a zombie apocalypse reaction, and full on censorship, if there was nothing to hide and nothing dangerous?

        I cannot reconcile this, can you?

        [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        China's CDC was at EVENT 201. China's cronies are capitalists and internationalists. EVENT 201 is the smoking gun in my honest opinion.

        [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Did you catch the 201 number in the westworld finale sunday?

        It was written large in spraypaint in one of the riot scenes. The "21"s, "oro" and "119/911" numbering is gaslighting us, like it is so obvious, but anyone who "gets too conspiratorial" is very quickly labeled as a kook.

        But yes there is a clear agenda going on that matches up with the rumors of agenda 21, and I didnt even really believe it was real until bill gates' batshit over the last year being presented nearly as a messianic figure on cnn.

        I dont believe in numerology and the significance of sacred special digits, but other people clearly do.

        [–]roastpotatothief 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        I don't know that much about chinese politics. I can tell you about the French reaction is you like, or I can tell you about something different:

        When you have an epidemic in farm animals, you first isolate them into as small groups as possible. Then you see which groups are infected and kill the lot (if they are cheap like chickens), or else try to cure them (if they are expensive like cattle). Then you quarantine the survivors before letting them mix with the other groups.

        If you don't care about the welfare of your animals, their civil rights or social needs, this is the most effective way of eradicating an epidemic. Even even very minor epidemics can be handled this way, if it's convenient to do so.

        [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        There are no politics in china because it is a totalitarian single party state, everything that happens there is an expression of raw power determined in backroom deals.

        Politics is of necessity public, when there are no public debates about real power, that is when you have a dictatorship.

        You did not answer my questions though, the videos of people collapsing and welding doors shut are not politics, that is just a news report, did you believe them or not?

        And if you believe them why did this not happen anywhere else?

        [–]roastpotatothief 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)


        [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I cannot do your research and thinking for you.

        I can however give you a tip because I am nice, Jennifer Zeng at Epoch Times has a twitter that posted numerous such videos from wuhan in march.

        But if you have to ask, that is a sign your methods for getting information are not working very well, so you may want to work on that.

        4chan /pol and r/conspiracy have information, but you have to do the work of sorting through all the disinfo.

        The ratio is about 99:1, but the payoff is reality.

        [–]roastpotatothief 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        She posts an awful lot of videos but i guess you mean this one?

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I think there's a lot they know and aren't telling us about this. Some like the conspiracy theory that it isn't so bad and less will die from it. I like the conspiracy theory that it is worse than they are letting on though. Maybe you don't die right away but it stays in your body forever with no cure and makes life worse and causes fatigue and shit. Kind of like Lyme except this is spread by being near each other not a bug bite. I think you're mixing up 4% of total population rather than 4% of everyone who has caught it so far, which is not the entire population yet. Even Trump says he thinks 100,000 will die now. It may not have been "man made" or "genetically modified" but they're acting like that matters, Wuhan Lab was stockpiling viruses they had found and not being careful with them, if they just stayed in bat caves and humans left bats alone it never would have spread through humans. Or ok keep them in a lab but you need to follow strict protocols, those idiots weren't careful and probably shouldn't be allowed to mess around with viruses. I think Lyme disease got out in a similar way. Also rocky mountain spotted fever is on the rise. These things really suck, either they kill you off or just ruin your life.

        [–]edwwsw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        First some definitions:

        Mortality rate - #deaths by disease/total population.

        Case fatality rate -CFR - #deaths by disease/total diagnosed cases.

        The flu has a CFR of about ~ 0.1% (Source:

        For 2019 CDC estimates 35.5 million people got the flu or about ~11% of the US population. And 34,200 people died of the flu last year.

        So ok multiple that 34,200 by 3 to get your estimate for Covid-19 - 100,000 deaths.

        Now lets look at this another way.

        As of today (about 3 months into the Covid outbreak) we've had 67,682 deaths. Already this is almost twice the deaths of last years flu. Source

        The flu has a vaccine and a large percentage of the US population has some immunity to the flu because of that. The is no vaccine for Covid-19 at this point in time. So you're looking at a larger percentage of the US population getting the disease.

        Even assuming an optimist 15% of the US population has already gotten the disease, you need ~70% of the population covered to get herd immunity. So again optimistically at least 4 times more people get the disease - 67,000 * 4 = 268,000 deaths. If a lot of people get the disease all at once as we've seen in several European nations, that CFR rate for Covid-19 goes up even higher. In the US we've so far avoided overwhelming the healthcare system.

        Still think this is just a bad flu.

        [–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Idt the number you're using are correct. Here is the provisional death data Looks like from this site the number is at roughly 39000. We also know that this number is dramatic and that not all these deaths are for sure from COVID. We know reporting of COVID deaths are under suspicion. Not to mention that deaths from flu, pneumonia, hearth failure, etc., Etc. Are all down also meaning that a lot of these deaths are being attributed to covid when they shouldn't be. We know these things so to keep using these dramatic numbers to fit your narrative and fear mongering is disingenuous at best. In addition, a lot of your statements are general and not well thought out. To say that a large percentage of the population has immunity to the flu because of a flu vaccine is just plain wrong. What strain of flu are we talking about? You know every year they pick the strain of flu that they think are going to be the worst and thats what more or less goes in this vaccine they give you. You know that right? Sometimes they guess wrong and the flu shot does nothing. That's because there are different strains of the flu, it's not some monolithic thing that they give the same vaccine for every year. You following me here? So to say that the vaccine makes a large percentage of the population immune to the flu is incorrect. Sometimes the flu shot does absolutely nothing at all. I would even upgrade that statement to most of the time it doesn't do anything but that can be debated. So your general statements when taken at face value do support your narrative, as they were obviously intended to do, but the devil is in the details my friend. I know it's hard to get in those details when they don't support your narrative but they are there. Turn off the TV do some research you'll see we've been tricked. Get over your pride of being wrong and start having a honest conversation about this situation with people. Stop virtue signalling and let's have a genuine conversation about what's going on.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They are reclassifying deaths and if you even have the antibody; and die, then you died from COVID-19.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        yeah we would have way more dead right now if not for the distancing

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Problem is many studies show that the herd immunity for an immuno-supressing viral infection (COVID-19) is quite low, which then makes a vaccine even more implausible. But they'll defraud the American people as they did with Lymerix.

        [–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        ^ Absolutely this.^

        [–]edwwsw 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I absolutely agree that we should be reevaluating the complete quarantine approach to Covid-19. There is always a possibility no vaccine will be found for a vaccine is 2+ years out. But I do take exception to people pretending Covid-19 just a bad flu. Our population has no existing immunity to Covid-19 and its killing a lot more people than the flu. Doing nothing means we get worst result than Italy when the healthcare system gets overrun as it nearly did in New York.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Why then does Italy and Spain not have excess deaths; the decline in total mortalities was lower than all other flu seasons?

        [–]edwwsw 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Cite source for this because I read nothing that supports your assertion.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Euromono, has the mortality rates for the two countries. (europeanmomo); I have it saved somewhere and read it awhile back on UK column.

        [–]DreaX 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I love how people dont realize that if you are infected with this virus it can cause your already risks for shit to happen to go up! Magical right, like a heart attack will most likly kill an old fat guy, but once dead and tested positive they put covid, b/c the virus cause your blood to clot more, leading to what? A fucking heart attack! And ya no shit less pneumonia deaths because people with breathing issues r more likely to get a virus that is RESPIRATORY. It dont take a genius to know a bad virus can lead to other issues, and just because you see a person haveing a heart attack dont mean YOU know everything about that persons health, sometimes shit can get worse if infected with a guess what? An even WORSE virus, causeing death.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        but the 2nd wave!!!

        They had it simulated during EVENT 201; and now they are pushing it. They'll allow everyone to come back to work, and possibly fludge the numbers and blame the 2nd wave on conspiracy theorists, constitutionalists, etc.

        [–]Robin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Interesting how it has a year in the name, so rather than call it COVID-19v2.0, the next wave can be called COVID-20, like it's a whole new upgraded thing to which immunity cannot be expected from COVID-19 exposure.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Herd immunity is quite low for this strain of coronavirus. I posit that they named it COVID-19 for the reasons you've stated. But the goal is a racketeering enterprise. They will pool as much blood, plasma and DNA as possible to then patent recombinant kits, vaccines and diagnostics and proteins from strains of VBDs. It's ALL about money and monopoly. That's why they're pushing the antibody test that I reckon will be used to check the efficacy of the fraudulent vaccine. Since herd immunity is quite low, as studies have indicated, then an antibody test would be perfect to test the vaccine. The sickest of patients, those #silentwalkers #immune-compromised will thus test negative, and they will use those negative cases as a control to manipualte the efficacy of the vaccine.

        It's ingenious.