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[–]muad_dib 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What are everyone's thoughts on the wall? Personally, I believe it is a waste of time and money. It will be hard to build, and will be a blight on some pristine desert landscape. Beyond my opinions, however, it does nothing to stop those here illegally because they stayed after their visa expired, who constitute a significant portion of current illegal residents. Also, I was raised in a small farming community in the central valley of California. Our agricultural system is heavily dependent on immigrant labor, of which many are undocumented. We can certainly change that system, but as of yet have not taken steps to do so. The loss of willing laborers will mean even more small and mid sized farms will be outed and taken over by large farming corporations that have the capital to mechanize, and are in bed with our good friends Mon$anto. Thoughts? Edit: on mobile at work, will link supporting articles when I can Edit2: visa overstay farm labor

[–]Vaxthrul[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You'd think with all the jokes pertaining to Cubans emmigrating through the use of various pieces of floating debris that the idea of traveling by water pretty much defeats the purpose of a wall.

That being said, this keeps from making things "easy" of those immigrating to the states, while not really combating the problem.

The silicon types would hope that automation takes over for those undocumented workers, which is the path that we seem to be headed down. The real problem isn't how will the industry react, but will the reaction (automation) also be met with supplying those displaced with new economic means to continue progressing.

[–]muad_dib 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The newsweek article is pretty solid. I believe the wall will accomplish the same thing that the TSA does; essentially nothing but makes people feel safer, which is certainly a dangerous mindset to be instilling in our population.

[–]Vaxthrul[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because I don’t respect therapy, Because I’m a scientist. Because I invent, transform and destroy for a living and when I don’t like something about the world, I change it. And I don’t think going to a rented office in a strip mall to listen to an agent of averageness explain which words mean which feelings has ever helped anyone do anything. I think it’s helped a lot of people get comfortable and stop panicking, which is a state of mind [burp] we value in the animals we eat, but not something I want for myself. I’m not a cow. I’m a pickle – when I feel like it. So… you asked.

Rick and Morty, emphasis mine.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, not to mention a beefy handout to whatever Israeli company is manufacturing the wall. It's the sort of contract that probably just made someone somewhere in to a billionaire.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a technology, walls are incredibly functional. A couple recent examples of border walls effectively keeping out invaders and/or terrorists are Israel and Hungry.

Israel: Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel. Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely.[51] In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada. - wikipedia

Hungry: Hungary has slashed illegal immigration by over 99 per cent after rolling out a series of powerful border fences in response to the European migrant crisis.

Note: Walls are just the physical barrier that cost the attacker time and energy. They need to be backed up with effective and timely responses by humans (or their assignees) to take further action.