Surfer Kelly Slater: “It’s sad to see the celebrated division by the ‘virtuous’ vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated why are you concerned/worried about anyone else’s status … unless, of course, it doesn’t protect you? ... So much brainwashed hatred in people’s hearts regardless of vax status.”

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[–]JoeyJoeJoe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gnarly dude.

I wonder if the mob will now turn on Kelly Slater? One of the most chilled out dudes on the planet.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

This is a disingenuous argument made in bad faith.

I literally don't care if an antivaxxer doesn't take the shot. What I do care is that both of our hospitals and ICUs in my county are 100% full. This is preventing me from having access to emergency medicine. The people in ICU are 99% unvaccinated covid cases. Regular medical vists are very hard to schedule, and elective surgeries are nonexistent. And just try getting an appointment with someone like a pulmonologist or a cardiologist.

I don't care if you're vaccinated or not. But if you want to die, die at home and don't clog up the system. And don't kill my grandmother.

[–]jamesK_3rd 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please stop with this trope.

It's fine for you to believe such fairy tales, but spouting such nonsense just makes you either look really foolish, a true believer, the mark, or all of the above. I'm inclined to believe it's the last.

[–]rubberbiscuit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe the government should lock you in a rubber padded room so that you don't injure yourself and need emergency medicine at all.

[–]FlippyKing 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Besides that fact that your post is all bullshit, and your county is probably no more full than it was the year before the renamed every flu case "covid", or many years. If they are full, it is full of relatively healthy idiots (in an extremely unhealthy country) who ran in a panic after taking a meaningless test that came up positive, and they are probably as vaxxed as you are.

ICUs have been shut down because they are not profitable and his has been going on for decades. Whole hospital wings, when it isn't whole hospitals, have been shut down to save money and increase profitability, and this also has been going on for decades. Go back to reddit where the kool-aid flows freely.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Check for yourself: http://www.hospitalbed.space/

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your county is probably no more full than it was the year before the renamed every flu case "covid", or many years. If they are full, it is full of relatively healthy idiots (in an extremely unhealthy country) who ran in a panic after taking a meaningless test that came up positive, and they are probably as vaxxed as you are.

ICUs have been shut down because they are not profitable and his has been going on for decades. Whole hospital wings, when it isn't whole hospitals, have been shut down to save money and increase profitability, and this also has been going on for decades. Go back to reddit where the kool-aid flows freely.

I guess you missed where I say: "your county is probably no more full than it was the year before the renamed every flu case "covid", or many years. If they are full, it is full of relatively healthy idiots (in an extremely unhealthy country) who ran in a panic after taking a meaningless test that came up positive, and they are probably as vaxxed as you are.

ICUs have been shut down because they are not profitable and his has been going on for decades. Whole hospital wings, when it isn't whole hospitals, have been shut down to save money and increase profitability, and this also has been going on for decades. Go back to reddit where the kool-aid flows freely."

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I supposed you could link to proof of those figures?

I ask because we had similar figures in the UK press and they turned out to be junk.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Check for yourself: http://www.hospitalbed.space/

[–]BossBrick 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The vaccinated are getting the virus and going to the hospital to bud

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure, that is true. But vaccinated people don't end up in the ICU.

[–]BossBrick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yes they do

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent points

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

hospitals were always full before covid

they need to hire more doctors

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Check for yourself: http://www.hospitalbed.space/

Also, my county had a second hospital built in the last 5 years, more than doubling the bed space and ICU bed numbers. The second one is also 100% full.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol hospitalbed.space

Great site. Obviously can't be trusted. Go with your own experience. Ever try going to an ER for something before covid? Hours long waits. They always ran at capacity for max profits.

[–]rubberbiscuit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yahoo News doesn't allow comments anymore? Too much freedom to point out the propaganda in their news right there on the site?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Indeed - let's just think about ourselves, rather than the potential spread of a virus. One of the outcomes of the "me me me" movement of the 1970s. But now the rich 'boomers' from that period are much more financially well off than the younger generations that have been left behind economically. So if you wonder what selfishness will get you in a society, look around.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus. It doesn't stop you catching the virus.

This is the problem the article is pointing out, there's a whole lot of silent assumptions in the pro-mandate crowd make which are just plain wrong.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus.

It does reduce the spread of the virus, because the more people who are vaccinated, the more people have antibodies to deal with it and are thus less likely to have it for long periods and thus less likely to spread the virus to others. This i show innfection numbers have reduced. Even those who believe in 'herd immunity' appreciate this. The less likely one is to suffer from the virus, the less likely one is to spread it, because they are contagious for a shorter period.

It doesn't stop you catching the virus.

Yes, you can still get the virus, but you are less likely to pass it on, for reasons noted above.

This is the problem the article is pointing out,

The article is misleading, for reasons I note here, among others.

there's a whole lot of silent assumptions in the pro-mandate crowd make which are just plain wrong.

I think the assumptions are not silent, but instead well documented in medical science research, testing, and billions of doses of vaccines, as well as reductions of infections between periods of new strains.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why are you saying the infection rate has dropped when many countries are seeing their highest ever infection rates?

It might reduce the spread by a small about but in the real world that doesn't have much effect.

Most cases are caught in hospital, care homes, work, the family home where people are together for hours. Being 40% less infectious might make a difference when you are passing people on the street but in those situations it has next to no effect.

And let's face it we only had lockdowns and compulsory masks because zero symptomatic cases were supposed to be a major risk of spreading infection. So are you saying that was nonsense and those cases were actually no problem.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you saying the infection rate has dropped when many countries are seeing their highest ever infection rates?

Different countries get the highest levels at different times. See the graphs here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Select the country you want to see and there is a graph which shows a periodic reduction of the number of cases.

It might reduce the spread by a small about but in the real world that doesn't have much effect.

The opposite of this. (The spread has reduced significantly, whcih has allowed for the reopening of businesses. Where do you get your news and information? With respect, this is well known.)

Most cases are caught in hospital, care homes, work, the family home where people are together for hours. Being 40% less infectious might make a difference when you are passing people on the street but in those situations it has next to no effect.

Again - where would one learn false information like this? Most of the 352 million documented cases (millions undocumented) were not caught in the hospital, but instead in public areas.

And let's face it we only had lockdowns and compulsory masks because zero symptomatic cases were supposed to be a major risk of spreading infection.

No...

So are you saying that was nonsense and those cases were actually no problem.

No...

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just barely past the peak and "it's dropping". Two weeks ago it was the highest it's ever been. It's still very very high but it has gone down precipitously.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

*sigh*

HERD. IMMUNITY.

Same shit applies for virtually any vaccine in existence... If everybody doesn't vaccinate, outbreaks happen.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's not true.

Before covid we were told we needed 90% to be vaccinated to avoid outbreaks not everyone.

However that really doesn't apply to the covid vax anyway because it doesn't stop you catching or spreading like other vaccines do.

We have 100% vaccinated and boosted places like Gibraltar having large omicron outbreaks.

So I'm thinking, how have you managed to miss this?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Before covid we were told we needed 90% to be vaccinated to avoid outbreaks not everyone.

Only countries which achieved over 90% of vaccination are Cuba, Portugal and United Arab Emirates.

because it doesn't stop you catching or spreading like other vaccines do.

Not sure about omicron variant, but it did reduce chances greatly with alpha and delta variants (alpha variant being completely eradicated), vaccines were one of the best.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By what percentage did they reduce it and how do that work out in the real world?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they should go back to the drawing board and make a safe vaccine that stops spread. I'm pro vax when one works.