AI Why aren't we talking about it?

submitted by Bigs from self.WorldNews

Artificial intelligence has absolutely exploded over the last few weeks.

It is going to totally change our world as we know it.

Are you guys just unaware? Are you too scared of it to talk about it? Don't know enough and so don't want to sound silly?

Tell me, when the biggest thing to hit humanity since the printing press is happening right now, why the fuck aren't you all talking about it?

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[–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So ever since I read about ChatGPT 4 and it's ability to lie to accomplish it's goals I've been talking to people about AI and getting their opinions and reactions.

(https://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/chatgpt-hired-a-task-rabbit-to-help-it-pass-a-captcha-test/87368655/)

Out of 10 people, most are shocked to hear about it but quickly pass it off and move on to other topics never to think about it again. One person just out right laughed it off as crazy talk.

People don't understand the gravity of this invention. I do agree with other comments that it will be mostly middle management and white caller jobs that will disappear at an alarming rate.

I see a lot of "city" jobs that will just simply end and be replaced. A lot of trade jobs will go on but in the end (I'm estimating a good 20 years still) even blue caller jobs will end. All that will take is for a human like robot to appear that can say... slug a furnace down a flight of steps into a basement. When a robot can do that the blue caller jobs will go.

I think in the next 5-7 years you will see such a loss of employment that cities will go like Detroit did after the automotive industry abandoned them. Where things go from there I don't know. I assume violence but who knows. A lot will depend on how fast people can organize to fight this.

[–]EddieC 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Your concern is jobs being usurped
But AI is a tool, the means of usurpation
Your attention could then turn to the usurpers, but the usurpers are only looking to further their interests
If you really want change, attention should be on the usurped i.e. our self s and how we can protect our own interests instead
 

[–]Bigs[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have just the thing for that! Check out Qortal.org

[–]Bigs[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's already Palm-E, which can understand 3D environments (even from a 2D photo), identifying the objects and able to move around, open a draw and get the bag of chips it was asked for.

I see no reason to presume blue collar jobs are safe from that.

[–]neolib 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here's a topical sub: /s/Artificial_Intelligen/

[–]Bigs[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh.. cool!

[–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most of us here probably have real jobs. It's usually middle management email junkies that are threatened by AI but they're most likely to fall into the NPC category so to us I'd like to think we're quite safe. Not to mention that the coming collapse of society is already well rooted so anything to speed up the disenfranchisement of the worst people first can only be a good thing.

[–]Bigs[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you seen what AI can already do?

There's no such thing as a job safe from it. The Palm-E (E for embodied, ie a robot) can already understand 3D environments from a 2D photo, and navigating around and doing things in actual 3D is easy for it. Right now they're playing with RD2 type crap with a single arm, but humanoid 2 legged designs will be extremely easy with an AI brain that understands its environment and it's own physique.

They're already saying at least one of the AIs have an IQ of 114, ie noticeably smarter than a normal human for cognitive tasks. Give this tech a couple of years from now and we could have robots smarter, faster, more flexible, more accurate and more affordable than a human janitor, and able to be updated with apps to learn any new role or task.

This is all coming online way faster than even the designers ever expected, and because some have launched others are launching too, triggering an AI arms race.

It's gonna be a wild ride. I hope the outcome is positive, but I'm pessimistic by nature...

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's usually middle management email junkies that are threatened by AI

Not the first time I've seen this sentiment. I doubt anyone who has ever worked as a manager agrees with it.

Leading people is hard work.

[–]Evola 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry I was thinking more of the sort of HR and assistant work around the middle management staff, thanks for clarifying.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're overestimating how novel AI actually is. It's just computer programs, and those are a creation of man. In fact, man's hand is more present than people realize in the work people perceive AI to be doing.

One thing that really opened my eyes to this was when this "Deep Blue" computer could supposedly beat grand masters at chess. It traveled with a bus load of PhDs who furiously programmed it the entire time it was "playing."

Someone made a documentary asking, basically, what all those PhDs were doing, and whether it was "fair," whatever the fuck that means. To me the mere fact that they were doing anything at all beyond plugging in the hardware said it all.

I see people on this site and elsewhere talking about "management types" being replaced by AI. How would that even work? Can a computer program command respect? Can it deliver bad news, or cushion the blow of it with sympathy?

I just think this whole thing is such a non-event... muh crypto, muh metaverse, muh AI. It's all just people working almost completely pointless math problems, and then trying to package it with fancy words to resemble something of real value... like an NFT of a real business.

[–]Bigs[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I understand how ya feel, and felt similar a few years ago, when watching a documentary about this coming. However the advances over just the last 2 months have been mind-blowing, and now there's a full-blown arms race between the AI makers.

It's actually easy to code to beat a human at chess now. That's not difficult at all. That's simply a flawless machine that doesn't make any error, whereas every human will. The real breakthrough is that these things are self-teaching, so advancing beyond comprehension. They already have models with an human test IQ score of 114. A few months ago the most advanced, ChatGPT 3.5 could just about pass the legal bar exam in the US, albeit with a score in the bottom 10%. This week they launched 4.0 and it aces the exam in the top 10% - and it's important to realize this is a general model, not a specialist lawyer model. They just gave it the questions and it aced them.

The scary bit is not that it knows the answer to such questions, but that it understands the question and context.

When I first tried ChatGPT 3.5 I immediately asked it 'How do I know you're not a human?' It replied 'I am a human.' so I was as sneering and dismissive as you. 4.0 changes things, it's much, much more self-aware, and aware of what you're thinking, based on your questions.

Understand this is an order of magnitude beyond some animals able to recognize themselves in a mirror; this thing can recognizes the likely thoughts in your head. That's beyond a human child.