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[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am not sure that your information about casualties is accurate. I heard that the Ukrainians attacked the convoy of Russian soldiers responding to the invasion and managed to kill thousands in a single strike.

Ultimately it is extremely important for Ukrainian to hold Russian territory if and when the negotiations take place because Russia will refuse to give back any of the land it holds. They will then argue that it is completely irrational for Ukraine to object to that. If Ukraine holds Russian territory that changes because then Russia will also be refusing to allow Ukraine to keep that territory.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Pure fantasy. Ukraine holds no territory in Russia.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

хороший

[–]YoMamma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

A small website like Saidit doesn't require FOUR copies of the same post.

Moreover, Ukrain'e strategy doesn't really compare with a very differen strategy 82 years ago. Whereas comparative strategy is essential for professional military approaches, its limitations are obvious in the present case. Ukraine MUST try new strategies to deal with the deadlock of the Russian invasion, and Ukraine's introduced (thanks to NATO) a number of new approaches. Ukraine's control of a small portion of Kursk will help them distract Russian invaders, while also getting them closer to the destruction of Kursk air bases. These two goals (among several others) are essential for Ukraine's attempts to eventually expel the genocidal Russians, while reducing losses of people and territory in Ukraine.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The Ukrainians control nothing in the Kursk oblast. They are hiding and dodging in small , rapidly moving mechanized units to avoid capture and destruction by superior Russian forces. This entire episode is pure disinformation, and nothing else, since that's all the Ukrainians have to fight with, by this time. This is simply another failed raid on Russia, like all the others. Those were also played up as great invasions, when they occurred.

There is no deadlock, the Russians are systematically colonizing and absorbing Ukraine.

[–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What are your sources? Russian disinformation on Twitter? Can you share the links here on Saidit? That would be much appreciated.

Meanwhile, locate reliable information that shows the section of Kursk that Ukraine is in at the moment:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=map+ukraine+in+kursk&ia=web

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

Wikipedia is pro-Western and pro-Ukraine, but they are aware that there is no territory held by Ukraine in Kursk. There are just some Ukrainian terrorists trying to avoid capture there, by moving around very quickly. Your sources are garbage.

Or possibly, you are confusing the mere presence of some Ukrainians wandering around with effective control. They aren't the same thing, at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2024_Kursk_Oblast_incursion#/media/File:August_2024_Kursk_Oblast_incursion.svg

Now, Wikipedia does acknowledge the "incursion", but, it does not acknowledge any effective control by Ukraine, of any territory, at all. You are not grasping that difference, I suspect. Also, Ukraine claiming control, doesn't mean anything, at all. Whether you like that idea, or not.

You'll notice that the largest settlement in the Ukrainian claimed region of control -- just 5,000 people, the village of Sudzha -- is simply listed as "contested" by Wikipedia.

Like I said, the Ukrainians control nothing in Russia. They're just wandering around there, and getting shot up.

Look, buddy, even the Brits are acknowledging that it's unclear whether the Ukrainians actually control any territory at all in Russia. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-foray-russia-border-region-040015689.html In other words, they don't!!

[–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Page info for the first image is: August 7, 2024 at 4:26:05 AM GMT+1

It's obviously not updated. You can easily find the appropriate news, as well as Putin's advisor telling him that "28 settlements are under enemy control", before Putin cut him off: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EEjvf5SeW6Y

Let's see the sources of your disinformation. Where did you get your information? For the accurate information merely select the link I provided above.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Look, buddy, even the Brits are acknowledging that it's unclear whether the Ukrainians actually control any territory at all in Russia. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-foray-russia-border-region-040015689.html In other words, they don't!!

[–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The link you've provided (though it's fucking Yahoo, which is worse than AI) confirms the news of the Ukraine troops in Kursk.

You've still not provided your sources for the first comment I replied to. May I see those sources? Twitter disinformation?

You also cannot refute Russian media discussing this at length, complaining about Ukraine troops in Kursk.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I didn't say there weren't some troops there. I said they didn't control anything.

[–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Putin's advisor says: "28 settlements are under enemy control": https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EEjvf5SeW6Y

This is part of the reason numerous normal news media covering the war are reporting Ukraine control in that region. The US also shared their info about the logistics. How much they control could be argued, but that's not the main issue here. There was extensive reporting today about Russians displaced by the Ukraine troops in Kursk, and the Russian troops sent to extract those displaced people.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most media are denying any clear control of any part of Russia by Ukraine. Who knows why this guy said that? Maybe he's just trying to increase military volunteer recruitment for Russians. It's working. The russians love this incursion! It's getting the people even more behind Putin!

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There isn't much point in responding to YoMomma or other shill accounts like ActuallyNot - they just exist to waste your time by continuously asking for more and more sources even though you've supplied more than enough, aka Sealioning [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning]. They don't seem to be "real" accounts, and often generate responses with AI.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ever since I stopped trying to figure out the US's motivations from a logical standpoint and started instead looking at this simply as a justification to manufacture, transport, and waste US armaments at a massive cost to US taxpayers, it all makes clear sense to me.

If they win in Ukraine, the multinationals get the natural gas, the government contracts, the farmland, and the rebuilding money. It's icing on the cake. But if they don't win, they still make massive profits. And the more arms that are used / destroyed, the more new weapons will be purchased to replace them. Why wouldn't they want to extend this war by any means necessary, including the expending of hundreds of thousands of lives they don't care about?

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We know from 1984 both sides are in collusion and the primary purpose of war is to destroy the surplus output of the working class so living standards do not improve. It's likely that Russia needs to have some things destroyed, tanks, planes, buildings.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is not good strategy just to play defense because it gives the enemy the initiative. When Germany invaded Poland in 1939, France and Britain declared war on Germany but did nothing. They should have attacked Germany from the west while much of Germany's military was in Poland. Instead, France and Britain hid behind the Maginot Line. The result of this purely defensive strategy was that Germany invaded and conquered France in 1940 by going around the Maginot Line.

By invading Russia Ukraine gains the initiative. Russia cannot just sit back and plan attacks on Ukraine. It is believed that as many as 8000 Ukrainian troops are involved not 1000. Also, Ukraine has not revealed the purpose of the attack.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If the Ukrainians can actually hold territory in Russia, more power to them! I don't believe they can. If they simply get all their men in Russia exterminated, as seems to be happening, then it makes Russia stronger, and Ukraine and NATO weaker. I believe that is precisely what is happening.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ukraine's goals for invading Russia are unclear. Presently, Russia has not launched an effective counterattack.

[–]jerryk[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They haven't yet killed them all. They have pushed them back.

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)