banned from saidit /s/altunitedkingdom - need a way to report moderators against free speech

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i was banned from /s/altunitedkingdom for speaking them the truth

saidit is still skeptical to censorship, there should be a way to report moderators against free speech of any sub and with enough reports then the moderator should be removed from owning that sub

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[–]Invicta 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

report moderators

IIUC, saidit is "free speech"-friendly in that the admins of the site will not censor you. That doesn't mean individual communities on the site can't kick you out.

The other side of "free speech" is "freedom not to listen". Your recourse is to join another community which you find more friendly, or start a community of your own.

[–]BravoVictor 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Please link to your comments "speaking the truth" so we can decide for ourselves.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://saidit.net/s/altunitedkingdom/comments/56if/you_cant_become_european_youre_born_european/

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    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

    i dont need to bend over and approach them in a less disagreeable manner, i'll tell them straight up how it is

    yes i am interested, it's important and someone has to educate all those dim-wits

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

      I disagree. kim4432's comment there is at least a contradiction.

      If the sub bans ideological opponents it needs to take itself off of /all and state that in the sidebar, in accordance with mod rule 4b. /u/VantaFount and /u/magnora7 do you have comments? This will likely continue to be an ongoing issue on SaidIt and this sort of thing is what SaidIt's policies were meant to prevent, no? I feel bad pinging you but you are the only ones who can act as administrators and maintain site policy. Is there a better way to deal with these issues?

      [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Do you know how to check if a sub is on all?

        I'm not sure how to.

        They would also need to add a statement in their sidebar that they are censoring opposing opinions in order to comply with rule 4b.

        [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          mods should be able to remove their sub from all but only an admin should be able to add it back again.

          why do you think this would be helpful?

          Whether or not a sub is on all should be made publicly accessible.

          I think that's a good idea too.

          [–]tuesday 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          It also occurs to me that mods should be able to remove their sub from all but only an admin should be able to add it back again.

          why do you think this would be helpful?

          Because. Let's say that a sub removes themselves from /all (in order to comply with Rule 4b so that they ban certain posters) but that immediately after preventing specific people from posting, they then switch back to /all (in order for their sub to attract new members) well, what are they doing? They get to eat their cake and have it too. This becomes the exact same situation as reddit is now, where mods have all the power over a sub to enforce any stupid requirement they want.

          It defeats the purpose of creating saidit.net in the first place.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Do you think it would work if we could just report it to the admins if we noticed a sub doing this? Without restricting when they can take themselves on or off of /all?

          [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

          So you're proposing I ban about half the comments on saidit? Not going to happen. We enforce the rules the way we do for a reason.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          I think that /s/altUnitedKingdom is taking moderation actions that are in violation of SaidIt's stated rules.

          I think they are not in compliance with sub rule 4b (as are several subs that have been removing opposing comments that do not drag the discussion down the pyramid of debate). I think it's a bit of an ongoing problem, and it doesn't seem to be getting addressed. Maybe more admins are needed? Idk. That's what I meant about it being a larger problem, there are several subs that don't seem to be complying with the stated rules and surely the problem will only grow as SaidIt does, new mods arrive not understanding the differences from reddit, etc.

          It seemed like an important rule to help keep SaidIt from going the way of reddit censorship, I assume that's why the rule was written.

          I think an admin needs to look at /s/altunitedkingdom and determine if they are in compliance with saidit policy. And if they are not, take whatever action admins deem necessary based on how they want to run the site.

          It seemed like an important enough issue, that's why I pinged the admins.

          [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          Okay I will take a look at this issue and keep an eye on the sub. Thanks for pointing it out.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Another sub /s/PinkPillFeminism has this same problem: they may be off /s/all but similarly to /s/altUnitedKingdom there is no note in the sidebar stating that opposing opinions are removed (as per mod rule 4b)

          as noted here: /s/SaidIt/comments/56ow/its_been_two_days_can_we_get_an_update_on_the/jpt8

          [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          They're already off of /all so the issue is resolved.

          Can you just enjoy the site more instead of playing content cop all the time please? I appreciate the help, but these things are being taken care of.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          It matters to me that the site rules reflect what's actually being enforced.

          From my perspective it appears as if it's not being taken care of. I already didn't message earlier regarding PPF because I didn't want to bother, but then there wasn't a reply so it seemed like it wasn't being taken care of so I messaged.

          [–]theoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Magnora7 it will get ridiculous trying to enforce the rules you have as the site grows. You need to fix the site structurally so you don't need to do that. I say let people have their own rules and make moderation optional. Start by just having a button to disable moderation and reveal posts and comments.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Eventually when saidit becomes bigger and bigger, powerful people will once again pay big amounts of money to moderators in exchange for their sub, and once again, saidit will turn into reddit

          free speech should be allowed on every sub, regardless weather the mod wants or does not want freespeech on his sub

          moderators dont own the sub, they are renting it from the saidit administrators

          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You can always go back to reddit if you want to spread your antiwhite sentiment.