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[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The people who want to prevent people communicating freely on sites like Kiwifarms are organised. The pressure exerted is not constant in time, nor aimed at everywhere at once.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok let's see. So cloudflare kicked dailystormer for fairly obvious reasons. And 8kun after the Nth time a mass murderer used it to spread their manifesto.

So I don't think "The people who want to prevent people communicating freely on sites like Kiwifarms" were behind those two.

So, according to your theory, there's a group of organised people, who organise to prevent people from communicating freely on sites like kiwifarms, and their organisation has produced exactly one result so far, and it just so happens, that that one result was also up to murdery business. But that murdery business was unrelated to their removal from cloudflare, in your theory? Then why does the CEO write that it was precisely because of the co-happening murdery talk, and not because of this organised group?

Meanwhile this organised group, who in the history of their organisation have gotten precise one website kicked from cloudflare, happened to target a website which was already engaged in exactly the type of murdery talk which the CEO was watching and reporting to the cops. Wouldn't this organisation have gotten the exact same effect (of getting KF removed as a CF customer) by doing precisely nothing and just watching as the murder chat bothered the CEO enough to pull the plug?

Do you see how your theory makes zero sense? Why do we need to introduce some new organisation to the mix, when they're already doing enough murder-talk to get themselves removed? The removal is sufficiently explained by the murdery-chats and doesn't need some new theory about an organisation.

And wait - a few minutes ago you were really sure there was some marketing which CF had made which referenced KF? Where is this marketing? Did you forget that you had already made that theory? Are you walking it back? Why did you think there was some marketing?

[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I make no claim of an organisation dedicated to attacking sites through cloudflare that is continually trying to do that. I claim that a push is being made now, by various "any means necessary" scumbags, some of whom may even think they are doing "the right thing", to deplatform, and now even erase from history, the site "Kiwi Farms".

Marketing is perhaps a misleading word. Optics, brand management may be more apt.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I claim that a push is being made now, by various "any means necessary" scumbags, some of whom may even think they are doing "the right thing"

But the point you are missing is - reality is sufficiently explained without needing to posit that there is some group out there.

Even if this group does exist as you describe - they didn't need to do ANYTHING at all given the CF CEO was ALREADY watching and reporting murderous chat on KF....this group could have watched passively as the murder threats that KF naturally generates were alone enough to get them taken off CF