Does anyone else feel that division between 'Left' and 'right' only serves to further divide us?

submitted by Freshly_Squeezed from self.conspiracy

Being fairly new to this site I was hoping that I'd be able to find a site free of the simple dichotomy of the left and right that plagues Reddit, Twitter and many other places online. I saw a post about the leftwaffe or some dribble. Hopefully the conspiracy community here is a more free minded.

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[–]whereswhat 36 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

There are lots of us who recognize the divide and conquer tactics being used out there. You are not alone.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Punch across not up.

[–]Aureus 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I consider myself on the right but I don't care about spreading division against anyone. Even many leftists aren't bad people. If someone wants to set up a commune, more power to them. If someone wants to be a leftist on this site, that's fine, as long as they don't want to censor others.

However, I do think that the biggest threat against freedom are super-rich "progressive" people who want to reduce national sovereignty and individual rights for the sake of "social justice". E.g. George Soros, Bill Gates, and the UN.

[–]whereswhat 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. Just because someone has a different opinion from you doesn't mean they are a bad person. I wish more people would keep that in mind when they comment on sites like this.

[–]Fat_Neckbeard 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm fairly left-leaning myself but I think conservatives deserve a platform too. It doesn't sit right with me that Reddit banned /r/rightwinglgbt...

[–]Whoscapes 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even know what I am politically any more. I just see this ugly "progressivism" has taken control of the left wing and I know I'm not that. I also know that I like my country, the UK, and I am tired of having it treated like it's awful. We're not perfect but we are still good.

In my workplace I see growing animosity towards white men because they make up more of the board than proportional to the population but I have no fucking clue why that is meant to matter unless you presuppose race and sex as centrally important in how you view the world. They aren't nothing but they sure as hell aren't everything.

[–]apoliticalinactivist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not just the rich progressives, just rich folks in general, lol. Both sides use the symbols/causes of the people to stoke the fight against each other so that the average person doesn't notice that we all are getting screwed. Just look at what happened with the covid relief bill in congress, they delayed two week to fight over the size of the corporate loans instead of pushing out the individual cash relief. No fight over payroll support, rent forgiveness, health care support, etc. People have to stay home for everyone's safety, but we're not going to make it financially possible.

The days of the "noble opposition", where the left and right had values and argued passionately so that we all ended up with a decent solution at the end of the day. I wish there was an actual strong socialist left to argue with a competent libertarian wing, but it's all theater and profiteering now; tokenist profiteering left vs. ignorant zero-government right ensures we, the people, lose.

Not sure how the UN reduces sovereignty and individual rights for social justice? They do it out in the open via "security" and economic leverage. "Justice" can sometimes play a part in providing cover to invade one country rather than another.

[–]Sh--t 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hallelujah first time I've seen my political beliefs written out on the internet

[–]Cindy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not so sure about Bill Gates. He might be astray, but I don't see him as a propagator.

[–]scamp 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what does that mean?!

[–]book-of-saturday 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

If you look from a foreginer's perspective, American elections are ridiculous. Two parties is not a democracy. Voting without an id, through obscure voting machines, then the superdelagates and lobbying. Even some Latin American countries (known for their corruption) have more transparent elections.

Funny how Americans see lobbying as something normal. It should be illegal that representantives listen to anyone other than the People they represent. Here in my country the government gives an equal amount of money to parties so they can spend on their campaigns. Lobbying is illegal. Elections here are still shit, but I can't imagine how worse they would be with legal corporate lobbying.

[–]NowYouCecyMe 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest, most Americans (at least that I know) agree with you. Most people hate that there are only two parties. The lobbying is ridiculous 100%, but the people in charge of changing the system are the ones who pocket the money from lobbying.

Voting without an id gets called racist because of old actually racist laws from right after the Civil War. Now, is it actually racist? Of course not. But people who suspiciously don't want ID voting use this excuse to continue the status quo

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are ridiculous. The entire system is built to keep the establishment in power whether that is democrat or republican.

[–]Diddykingsmackin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is two parties, but it also isn't two parties. I could be wrong, but in many countries aren't coalitions formed after the election? In the US, the coalitions are formed before the elections. One party will absorb the idea group into its platform. For example, the green movement was absorbed by the Democrats while the strong pro gun movement was absorbed by the Republicans. In other countries, it seems like you would vote for the green party, who itself joins a coalition after the election. So even though there are only two parties, they each have a good chunk of single issue voters who only vote for the part due to the pre election coalition being formed.

[–]Amareldys 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one around here understands the electoral college.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

If only there were a third position. Hrm...

[–]Honkler 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unthinkable!

[–]Wrang1er 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Center?

[–]LarrySwinger2 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree. One hold some views that can be classified as left-wing and others that are classified as right-wing views. For example, one may desire a fair distribution of wealth, and simultaneously a strict immigration policy. Moreover, there's a trend to equate the DNC or the left at large with the deep state, and the republicans as the people who are fighting them. This is an absurd view. The deep state has historically opposed the left. Think about the red scare and Operation Gladio, which included false flag attacks that were pinned on communists, as well as the outright assassination of a leftist Swedish prime minister, Olof Palme. I suspect that the left is now allowed to be more dominant, because the deep state has successfully infiltrated it through Operation Mockingbird and the public is given a watered down and confused version that promotes hatred towards whites and especially white males, among other things. It's important to note that various Founding Fathers also opposed the two-party system.

a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil. - John Adams

Yes, a lot of people here have faith in the Republican party, and they're entitled to their views, of course. I think this is natural because the right is more the voice of reason right now, and that this is by design. In any way, I think polarization levels are still relatively mild here, it's nothing that bothers me too much. We're not Voat or /pol/.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this wholeheartedly, I certainly have views and opinions that would be me persona non grata in many political parties from either side of the isle. It's becoming more apparent that it isn't the 'left' or the 'right' that supports censorship but instead the establishment that aims to benefit from it.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you think the polarized division in your country could ever give rise to a third party?

I thought the Tea Party was supposed to be a kind of "pox on both your houses" vote, but I guess any independent voice that dissents from the Left gets easily picked off and branded as "extreme right" because they can't even get along with the Republicans...

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I cannot answer this relevantly, because I don't live in the US and don't know enough about their politics.

[–]piss 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tinpot theory: The only divide that really matters is the wealth divide. Anything else - politics, race, sex, etc. does not have any impact if you are part of the uber rich - you have fuck you money and can do what you want. You can not say this about any of the other divisions. The people who own the media, corporations etc. constantly pit the lower classes against each other by focusing in on these less important divides to keep them busy hating each other while the rug is swept from under their feet. Income equality grows year on year. Your rights are removed year on year, with the fear mongering around the less important divides used as an excuse to do so. Surveillance and control increases through the same means. Could it really be as simple as keep people busy hating each other so they leave the uber rich alone?

In a more general sense though there are lots of parties that would have interest in sowing discord. Divide and conquer can seem like a cliche but that's because it works lol.

[–]Tarrock 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It does. The billionaire class found out that they could use the people attacking them as attack dogs.

[–]Fat_Neckbeard 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Man. Occupy Wall Street feels like a million years ago now...

[–]yellow_algebra_31 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are a lot of people here who also don't like it. Someone commented (don't remember if it was here or another site) "it's like you get to choose between pepsi and coke every 4 years" for Americans. (Are you speaking of American "left" and "right" here?) I would rather focus on policies and doing well as a country. I'm tired of all this destructive stuff people do to get elected.

SaidIt tries not to police opinions too much so there's probably always going to be people saying stuff you don't like. That doesn't mean they speak for anyone but themselves. You can block individual accounts if you get a comment reply from them by looking at the reply in your inbox.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ay I guess as a non-American the constant us vs them mentality to jarring.

Maybe we can try to foster that mentality within the conspiracy community here.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

as a non-American the constant us vs them mentality to jarring

Just try to remember it's about another person's country, don't feel the need to get caught up in it (beyond being aware of international trends or whatever) because it isn't about you. People sometimes get caught up in something and forget who they're talking to online, that's all.

I prefer "anti-corruption". I've never really been a close part of the conspiracy community but uncovering real corruption and malicious plots is so important. I'm grateful for everyone helping with that. I hope it can stay focused on the important parts.

[–]FlippyKing 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm glad more and more people are seeing the divide and conquer thing for what it is.

I think the labels do not really matter. What matters is if we engage with each other honestly, addressing real tangible things and speaking from our own experience and knowledge. I have a feeling I'm going to say this a thousand times over the next couple of days, but as people like me migrate over from reddit as refuges, let's take it as an opportunity to realize it is the same divisive BS that has us all here: start from a place of agreement, the way Socrates does in Plato's dialogues. We are not separate, and we shouldn't be divided. We do not have to accept the way any media out let or media personality frames an issue. If we speak of real things and from our own experience, we will end up agreeing far more often than those who want us divided could ever imagine.

[–]slushpilot 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for saying what I've been shouting on Reddit but could never find agreement with. I'm new here. I think I love this place.

[–]Orion 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, memes aside it's dumb to reduce politics(or anything) to left and right. Having 'conflicting' opinions and being open to new ones is often just part of critical thinking, it's disappointing how polarized social media in general has become.

[–]AFutureConcern 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The left/right distinction is as such because we live in a society in which the left controls everything. "Left-wing" is that which agrees with the egalitarianism of our ruling elite; the definition of "right-wing" is then, "not left-wing". Therefore, if you have unorthodox views, you are right-wing by definition - whether you are an anarcho-capitalist, a monarchist, a fascist or a radical centrist, you will be put in the right-wing bucket.

That's what makes it so hard to escape the dichotomy - the very idea of escaping it would be counted as right-wing.

[–]bad_fem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How in the world does "the left" control everything? If that were true, Trump would have been removed from office. It's fairly clear that conservatives run the country, but also play the victim to the point that they have hordes of mindless followers believing everything they say and thinking they're supporting "the underdog" for it.

[–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The left controls:

  • Social media - Reddit, Twitter, Facebook
  • Big Tech - Google, Apple
  • Activist groups - ADL, SPLC etc.
  • Universities - Something like 90% of professors are leftists
  • Hollywood/TV - Constantly pushing for leftist goals, attacking trump
  • HR/PR departments - full of Social Science grads

The legislative power conservatives have is worth nothing in comparison. Under Trump, the culture has shifted leftward at perhaps an even faster clip than under Obama. Now you see communist movements such as Black Lives Matter and associated far-left ideologies such as Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory attaining mainstream acceptance. The fact that these have gained so much ground despite their utter ridiculousness and the election of Donald Trump shows that whoever the figurehead is does not really matter.

In reality, conservatives play a foil to the left; only ever reacting to their narrative framing, and compromising each time so that the left get what they want eventually. If you pick a position on issues and don't budge on them, you'll eventually find yourself on the "far-right".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

media eventually doesn't matter compared to has real power

[–]DimDroog 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

I have views all over the board, and hate being pinned down on them.

I will talk to anyone, no matter if I agree with them or not.

[–]horsedickponysoldier 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is not left right division. This is us vs. totalitarianism. Either repeat the narrative or be crushed. It doesnt matter how left you are. Tow the line or get unpersonned.

[–]Lyinglikelarry 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. I’m from a liberal bubble and my politics are Marxist feminist but it seems like the mainstream “left” in western countries is ultra elitist and rather than gatekeeping over race/ethnicity they gatekeeper over some language and virtue signaling. Hard to unite everyday Americans if they dont even know what you’re saying 🙄. Plus while I agree with them in values I think their politics are really dangerous. I’m very worried about police abolition without socialism, private security replacing police is a step backwards for EVERYBODY.

I know that’s like a lot but I feel like the convo is so dominated by catch phrases and rehearsed argument no one can have an honest conversation about how to make like better for regular people and what that would look like.

[–]anarchy753 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm from Australia and it's always been so foreign to me that Americans seem to be such a dichotomy. Sure we all have our views down here and it usually goes one way or the other, but with American people commenting on stuff it's always "I scraped my knee today, FUCK THE LEFT IT'S THEIR FAULT" or "It rained today and I got slightly wet because THE FUCKING RIGHT RUIN EVERYTHING."

I swear people take every single situation and try to tie it to the political party they don't like. You disagree with someone on a completely non-political point and their immediate response is "YOU OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THE [insert side I don't support]" or "TYPICAL TRUMP SUPPORTER/HATER."

America. Calm the fuck down. Keep your political views to a minimum outside of distinctly political places because I guarantee you, the person you're talking to almost certainly doesn't give a shit. If they do, it's probably because they're just equally insane over the split between left and right and either want to jerk you off for agreeing or argue for disagreeing with no actual goal of having any form of insightful debate.

[–]Canbot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There will always be left and right. The only thing that can change is if we are able to have a dialogue or not. That is why freedom of speech is paramount. That is why we need to "cancel" all the people and organizations that censor. We need to unify against the people who use and preach black block tactics, deplatforming, name calling, use ad hominems, and guilt by association. And it is going to be a hell of a fight to do that because right now these are the favorite tactics of the left in particular, so trying to establish dialogue will be seen as anti left.

[–]PRSanon 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If the left and the right agreed to return to what the United States was originally intended to be, then we would be a union primarily for the causes of defense, trade, and treasury. We could redraw some state lines, make the left cities into city-states, and the left could have sovereignty over themselves and the right could have sovereignty over themselves.

The only people it would screw over are the ruling elite.

[–]fapofrivia 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. However, the left seems more determined than ever to eliminate all right wingers. Its not a game they arent willing to play and even seem to enjoy it.

[–]bad_fem 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you simply referring to the major social media companies banning conservatives? Because that IS a problem, I'm certainly not ok with it, but that also doesn't represent "the left" - it represents a handful of rich tech bros with way too much power. Trump fires dissenters and replaces them with people who suck up to him - how is that not also a major concern of yours?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There must be some option beyond right and left... a third position!

[–]denverkris 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why I'm pro Jo Jorgensen in 2020. Imo the other two parties are total shite for a centrist, or literally anyone who's not extreme far in either direction.

[–]rman 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly I think the left vs right divide loses focus in that it tries to force a choice between two bad extremes - I often find myself lamenting the loss of libertarian values on both sides because every step each side takes it seems to lose one after another - there are issues on one side or another I can slightly identify with but the push to correct in each case always seems to lose focus on what being an American historically has been about - freedom. Freedom to be yourself, to do what you want as long as it doesn’t impede other’s freedoms, to be free from serfdom... it seems to me that the more time goes on both sides seem to want some version of “big daddy government please save me” and that can never be a good thing. I don’t think I’d find anyone who thinks the left doesn’t want this (unless they have deluded themselves completely) but I think that the right seems to think they don’t - though it I would argue it is apparent in their push to give gov more power (Military, police, regulations on personal freedoms) - and to let the big corporate threat run rampant by removing restrictions on their behaviors, bailing them out and treating them like people - but big business doesn’t sleep at night, doesn’t kiss their children to bed or long for anything but more money. We need a revolution of thought - we need a neolibertarianism... I grew up in the country and moved to the city as an adult and I cried last time I went to visit where I grew up - sucked dry by big businesses, basically a ghost town... the destruction of Main Street America is very real and is now reaching the cities with this shutdown - the future of corporate slavery is coming upon us and we are too busy smacking each other in the face armchair politicking about who “slammed” who on Twitter ... I’m saddened every day and have been trying to come up with ways to fight this. I think this site might be a good start - perhaps not, but the false dichotomy of left and right has left people like me without a banner, and based on earnest conversation with many, it seems that I am not alone.

[–]ctvzbuxr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

No, the truth is, there are lots of people these days who don't belive property rights exist. These people would, if their ideology was brought to it's logical conclusion, steal the last shirt off your body and not have a shred of remorse about it. We have large portions of the population who are brainwashed by Marxists, who would bring western civilization to the ground. These people would, if they got their way, have you shot dead in the ground if you refused to surrender your means to defend yourself to their government. This is not an artificial divide. We are not people who ultimately want the same thing but are just played against each other. No. Our society is undermined by very evil people who need to be put in their place if we are to survive. That is the truth.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yet many of these brainwashed Marxists would argue that people who oppose them are fighting for the same things you oppose here and make the same arguments you have just made. For the sake of discussion what ideology do you prescribe to?

[–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Libertarian.

[–]VulpesLeonesque 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So am I. The main distinction I perceive isn't left/right but authoritarian/libertarian. Fascists have also historically been very keen on disarming people for easier disposal.

[–]america_first_1776 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Left" and "right" as we know them are two parts of the kosher sandwich, with us filthy goyim getting crushed in the middle.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Votes for the most pro-Israel president to ever live anyway. Lol.

[–]72ndGender 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not exactly a conspiracy theory when it is happening constantly on every media platform in existence. The rules obviously want us fighting with each other. They want us to try to force our viewpoints on one another. They detest libertarian ideology and the NAP.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. I am so sick of the extreme views on both sides. Why can't we get along tbh.

[–]quipu 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. The important conflict is between authoritarians and libertarians. Most of the mainstream "left" and "right" just represent different flavors of authoritarianism, because the current zeitgeist assumes that government should take control of the people in some way.

So what if one neighbor has a hippie farm commune and the other has a small factory? Both scenarios are fine with me, as long as neither one tries to prevent me from doing what I want in my own space. Left and right libertarians can coexist.

Both the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right want to limit how I live my life. I'm not OK with either proposition.

[–]Evola 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Left wing is just feminine desires and right wing is masculine desires. Women were kept out of politics to prevent left wing infiltration.

[–]AFutureConcern 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This seems intuitive to me, but all the polls I've seen show only a small difference in voting preferences between men and women. What is your reasoning here?

[–]Evola 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Small differences make a big diffidence in scale. Women mostly just follow what their husbands vote for in any case.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and men only become leftwing in hopes it will get them laid

[–]brightlightbellend 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What utter bollocks. Women's suffrage in the UK was caught against by left-wingers, as women as a block are small c conservative. It won't've been much different in the US.

Remember, the establishment left has taken on a load of traditional conservative positions. Particularly around freedom of expression, speech & censorship.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Left is a very important distinction to notice, because Communists will kill you.

Left/Right corresponds to feminine/masculine and r/K. For a more accurate division, see CSR theory.

[–]cant_even 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Call it what you wish; "Left/Right" or 'R/D'. As you've determined, the labels are meaningless, the principle is what you need to understand.

Weaponized division is the worldwide method of keeping ThePowersThatBe™ in power. Witness the colonial practice of creating 'countries' that always had a minimum of two squabbling tribes. This ensured the 'tribes' would exhaust themselves fighting each other and make it easy for the colonizer to prevail.

Since about 1965, the U.S. has devolved into one of Winston Churchill's map-drawing abominations, and the only thing missing is the identity of the true "colonizer".

[–]BravoVictor 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To some extent. There are very real philosophical conflicts that separate the right and left, but a lot of the tribalism I see does seem ginned up beyond that.

I went to a party the other day. I was probably the only politically conservative person there. One guy casually mentioned that a beach town he enjoys going to is almost completely shutdown because of Covid, and a lot of the businesses are going bankrupt, adding, "But it's mostly a pro-Trump town so fuck them".

I didn't say anything, but I was surprised at the causal hatred expressed towards complete strangers who are otherwise providing a community he enjoys going to. What the fuck is wrong with the politely left that encourages that sort of mentality?

[–]Amareldys 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you familiar with horseshoe theory?

[–]Futon_Everlasting 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like there's a larger divide between earnest people of various political dimensions who just want to talk seriously and solve problems and a huge set of deeply cynical people who can't take anything seriously and make life difficult for those who do, as if it were threatening. I'm OK with the deep cynics having their spaces, but can they let the rest of us have conversations? And then there's the people so serious, but operating on some philosophy that keeps them from making any sort of peace with others - a cynical philosophy perhaps? I bend liberalish (but seemingly less every day), but value conservatively-minded people who can civilly explain where they're coming from.

[–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Except that only one side is against free speech at the moment. Engineered or not, only one side is furthering the divide by not allowing conversations to happen.

[–]Middernag 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Left-wing and right-wing are part of a Zionist control mechanism, absolutely correct, which is why they demonize Fascism which would undo and make that control impossible. However, you're still trapped in the "us" tube.

Who is "us"? Americans? What makes you an American? Wasn't the admittance of other races as Americans part of what got you into this position in the first place? Us is how they destroy your communities, because they extend it to other cultures and races, which unnatural and unsustainable as is currently being witnessed.

If "us" was referring to your family and race, you're on the right path, if it was referring to all people, then you're still very much within the paradigm, good luck.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fascism should be demonized. Any authoritarian ideology should be fought against.

[–]Middernag 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, because your television, and the media owned by their enemies told you so. I wonder, what would you think of yourself if you were defined by your enemies?

[–]Sumkindafing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Left and right is there to create the illusion of choice. Nancy Pelosi pretends to be against trump whilst giving him more funding towards the military industrial system. They don't give a fuck about you! They just pretend to have your best interests in mind whilst actively working against them. You have a choice of Trump or Biden now voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. That's why things increasingly get worse and they don't want you to have medicare for all.

The UK has done something similar making a spineless cunt called Sir Kier Starman Labour leader. A knighted person head of the labour party who as also a zionist. If you are still working in a left right paradigm at this point you're a moron.

[–]JimCuckoldCornette30 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly think the 2 political parties is a shit show , also believe we are controlled by Israel , look at the sub reddits banned today and the one page they showcased as banned was thedonald which trump is seen as a hero in Israel but in America he's the scap goat , they fund all sides and further cause division in this country. PS they own Hollywood the Media banks etc etc

[–]Vigte 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100%.

There are organizations for both sides (CFR, Bilderberg for left, CNP, :e Cercle for right...), which target separate demographics (communists, socialists, subjective types vs the christian conspiracy conservative demographics) - and have a different end goal in mind (globalist communism vs nationalist fascism); but both believe in the same "all seeing eye" religion at the top.

[–]Bigfoot69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why America needs viable third and fourth parties!

[–]Fat_Neckbeard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To quote Walter White, "You're goddamn right."

Right-wing and conservative voices are being drowned out by being lumped in with racist and homophobic viewpoints. As someone who is a left-leaning libertarian, I'm smart enough to know that Republican =/= Racist, Homophobic, White Christian Devil. I also think there's a lot of positive stuff about Trump that doesn't seem to make it into the news media these days. He's probably around the same level that Hillary would have been even though I trust neither of them and I do not trust Biden either.

Politics is fucked in this country.

[–]Tallest_Skil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Eat shit for defending leftists.

[–]kfn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think a foreign government is involved. Maybe China trying to take focus off coronavirus so we don't become too independent from them.

[–]Zednix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Now they are playing up race in a way to act as another layer of division. Identity politics is designed to do this very thing. It divides everyone by their characteristics and claims to be against discriminating against the very things they are using as tools to beat your head in with.

[–]Freshly_Squeezed[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Censorship - regardless of ideology or party politics - should be fought against at all costs.

[–]Odysseus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes

[–]hector_died_of_aids 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ya and it's a contrived dialectic. the real spectrum is authoritarianism (communism, fascism...) on one side and self rule (anarchy) on the other. the point is state power or not. it was a propaganda scheme to reframe it as 'which flavor of state power'

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

of course, the sheep fail to realize the true enemy... the bankers..

-buy bitcoin

[–]SoAlive0513 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They fear the anti-establishment centrist event

[–]binrobinro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. But have you ever tried to have a reasonable discussion with a leftist?