I think religion can stop people from reaching a deeper spiritual experience. I don't know what the nature of god is, but I know what religion teaches us isn't right.

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I usually have dreams of things to come. They are weird dreams about power, myself in different times and common events related to synchronicity. Because of that, I'm sure that destiny and a higher power exist to some extend, but it surely isn't what we are told since we were little, if I was chosen for a mission, why are so many others not that lucky? I refuse to believe in a just and fair god.

I like to practice active imagination in order to make sense out of the whole thing sometimes, I've seen things to come many times, althought right now I usually have nightmares. I wonder how different the spiritual experience would be if it wasn't because of the influence of the mainstream religions?

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[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I went to an exhibition about Tantra at the British Museum recently and apparently most languages don't even have a word which translates to "religion" in English.

In the east what we call their religions usually get called "ways" or "paths". It's more a way you live your entire life, and part of your destiny, rather than a separate set of beliefs and practices you can clearly divide from everything else. And when you have paths it means everyone has to follow their own path, you can't attack someone for worshiping a different god because you can't know what their path should be.

The exhibition might be of interest to you. They might put more of it online now the UK is going back into lockdown but they have some articles up now. https://www.britishmuseum.org/exhibitions/tantra-enlightenment-revolution

[–]TokLwdSaNthg 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is it that so many philosophers both ancient and modern have so long been discussing psychological questions without having arrived at the truth?

"Those men were precursors of the eternal truths of the true spiritist doctrine, for which they have prepared the way. They were men, and therefore subject to error, because they often mistook their own ideas for the true light; but their very errors have served the cause of truth by bringing into relief both sides of the argument. Moreover, among those errors are to be found many great truths which a comparative study of the various theories thus put forth would enable you to discover." - Allan Kardec, The Spirits Book, 1857 http://ssbaltimore.org/e-books/

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Start from the premise, "In the beginning, God created..."

Before God, there was nothing.

Everything that exists - everything we perceive - everything with which we interact - exists within God's creation. Each of us as well. Our connection to God is quite direct. Just as God created all things, God created each of us. That puts us neither superior nor inferior to all the rest of it. We are each another element of God's universe.

The problem with most organized religions is that they exist based on the premise of "we're better than those other people over there". But in order for God to be all-powerful (kind of the definition, no?), then God must have created "them", too.

This deep instinct of ours to divide God's creation into "what we like" and "what we don't like" is what makes it so difficult - perhaps impossible (though I'm not sure of this)... - to accurately perceive the universe around us. To achieve this "universal" perception is the true spiritual quest. That's why truly spiritual people have no desire for violence. No matter who or what you attack and destroy, you are by definition attacking and destroying part of God's creation. How can that be productive?

[–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No serious tradition has ever been built on liberal universalist egalitarianism, the premise itself denies the very existence of quality and hierarchy which are prerequisites for Truth, Beauty and Goodness to be possible. What a load of babble.

[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As to "load of babble", I accept the charge. Talking about this subject never yields anything but babble, but it is a series of hopelessly off-the-mark words I happen to enjoy, so I engage.

What you address here - quite correctly - is the most paradoxical element of the spiritual path. How do we simultaneously promote beauty and goodness, while recognizing that one person's "good" is his enemy's "bad"? Violence results from taking ourselves and our individual perspectives too seriously. Interestingly, however, even violence is clearly part and parcel of reality (watch a cat with a mouse or colliding galaxies), so where's the problem? For me, I prefer peace and calm to violence and anger, so I promote acceptance, but even this is just a preference on my part. As you say: babble.

The third term you use is different, however. Truth needs no prerequisite. Truth is what is. Full stop. What is around us (and includes us as well as all we do, think, or perceive) is Truth. Truth has neither quality nor hierarchy. You may prefer parts of it and reject other parts, but that doesn't in any way diminish the reality of what you reject, which lies in its simple existence.

Lastly, regarding a serious tradition, I have been engaged for twenty-five years now in a tradition that traces its roots back to before Christ. While the words I use here are seemingly unrelated to the tradition to which I refer, I definitely was exposed to many of my concepts there and continue to find them reinforced in that tradition. Whether it is "serious" I have no idea. Those who sincerely follow it have never represented more than a handful.

Have fun with this stuff. What better is there for us to do with this wonderful - and ever changing, including that we die - life we've been granted?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like me when I was on a lot of drugs.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The Catholic Church has two thousand years in experience with this. If you deny it, you are on the path to atheism.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I deny the beliefs and interpretations of pretty much all major religions. They get some parts right, but then, so do others. I am a creationist. You must think I am on the road to atheism, no?

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I will pray for you to meet the Father before you go to hell.

You are on the road to atheism as long as you deny all what was archieved for more than two thousand years, yes. As long as you believe in the atomization of your feelings, you will become alone and grow a hole in your soul that will beg to be filled with anything. And that is the core problem of our society today.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Believe in the atomization of my feelings? What do you mean?

The Creator isn't the way you think, the way they taught. Jesus spoke words which were misremembered, or changed due to the influence of evil. It's near useless to suppose that anything written about him contains enough objective truth to work with.

I'll never be an atheist, because I experience objective reality way too often to ignore the fact that there is a Creator. I am open to what that means, but I have already figured out that all of the named-gods of human history are no more than demiurgic figures who have been used to further evil. I can experience these things without giving away my soul to some demonic god from the desert.

If Jesus were to alive today, people like you would bow to him. Then, when he leaves and all you have left to your connection to the divine are his apostles, you'll bow to them.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Surely we're meeting him everyday if he's everywhere.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will pray for you to meet the Father before you go to hell.

Wow. You speak as though you know God's will. Do you command God? Or just speak for him? Are you the voice of God?

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

" If you deny it, you are on the path to atheism."

Organized religions are ran by people. There is nothing inherently spiritual about them. All doctrine has been written by men. With that in mind, your assertion is false. There are many other beliefs besides atheism. One does not find God through the writings other men. Prophets did not gain their wisdom by following doctrine blindly.

"The Catholic Church has two thousand years in experience with this."

Are we meant to fill in the blank here? In the context of the above writing in which you are replying to what is 'this'? Because I assure you, I've read it over several times, and there is nothing I can attribute the generic and all encompassing term 'this' to.

In short, you have done exactly as all religious zealots do. You have made a vague prophetic statement, signifying nothing, and then attempted to instill fear in others. You are clearly without shame. I wouldn't trust you to lead me to a Taco Bell, let alone a messiah.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yay

[–]Views 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://home.theopenvista.net/BuddhaMind.html

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeshua is the only way.

[–]Rah 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The Catholic Church has two thousand years in experience with this. If you deny it, you are on the path to atheism.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The Catholic Church also has an army of pedophile priests. Why would you trust such an organization? The Pope speaks from the mouth of a snake

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Because for every pedophile priest there is at least three out there doing a great job. For every malignant pope, there are dozens of Viganos and Schneiders.

God only allows evil in this world so a better good can be created later on.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Wow 25% peados is great odds.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, you do not want to run the numbers on that, because those ChiMos are super rapey. They are out there swinging their dicks around and just destroying lives by the thousands.

I think people will do better off finding God without first being lead to an old man's crotch. Thanks, but no thanks.