1000 lies against China, PART 2: The Tiananmen Square Massacre Hoax ($5000 reward inside)

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The 1989 Tiananmen Massacre is one of the constantly brought up narratives to show why the Chinese government is a brutal and bloody totalitarian regime. Except there are three versions of the event out there. Which one is true?

 

Western version 1:

Military came into Tiananmen square and massacred peacefully protesting "pro-democracy" students, rolling them over with tanks. Up to possibly thousands of students died.

Western version 2:

The mainstream version of Tiananmen was actually a lie. Students were peacefully escorted out of the square. However, the Chinese government massacred a different set of protesters (not students, but workers). This mainly occurred on a street called Chang An Avenue, not in the Tiananmen Square.

Chinese/tankie version 3:

The protests were a coup attempt by the CIA/George Soros/Skull and Bones where they spread propaganda to get students to protest. CIA-backed "worker" protesters started mobbing and lynching soldiers in Chang An Avenue before the soldiers started shooting back at them. Around 200 people in total died on both sides.

Because the Chinese don't believe they can compete with CIA propaganda, their go to method is to censor all speech that the CIA tries to manipulate. This is especially true for the "Tiananmen Massacre".

 

 

Version 1 is the mainstream version that everyone knows, so I assume I don't need to post any evidence. However, as an example:

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre

massacre of hundreds if not thousands of unarmed peaceful pro-democracy protesters in Beijing

 

Now let's see if there's any evidence for versions 2 and 3

1. Testimony from the renown Tank Man photographer from AP News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0oV5DwIDZo

Well what I saw wasn't pretty. There was a dead soldier on the ground where the burning armored car was. The door of the burning armored car came out and another soldier came out to surrender and the mob moved in on him and started beating on him with clubs and sticks. I don't think he made it, but I was attacked, somehow talked my way out of it and managed to get back to the AP office. I'm very fortunate, I'm very lucky that that happened. The short amount of time I saw there was some very nasty stuff going on.

2. Taiwanese activist asking why there needs to be lies when fighting the enemy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSR9zgY1QgU

3. BBC James Miles was at the Tiananmen event:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm

Tiananmen killings: Were the media right?

4. Wikileaks / US cables - no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

5. Reuters reporter who was at Tiananmen, Graham Earnshaw

https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story

6. Jonathan Spence, Both China and the West have distorted the truth about the | The Week UK

https://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/22535/both-china-and-west-have-distorted-truth-about-tiananmen-square-protests-and-massacre

In an equally disturbing betrayal of history, Western human rights activists and liberal commentators have also spun the story of Tiananmen, creating a fairytale version of events that bears little relation to what happened in those bloody days of June 1989.

7. Japan Times - Which Tiananmen narrative is true?

https://web.archive.org/web/20190607080938/https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/06/06/commentary/world-commentary/tiananmen-narrative-true/

8. Jim Mann LA Times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUR9sAZYins

9. Jay Mathews, Washington Post reporter

https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

The Myth of Tiananmen

10. Liberation News, Tiananmen: the Massacre that wasn't

https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/

11. NBC VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJ6gHFME0w

angry mobs attacking with rocks, pikes and Molotov cocktails. Soldiers trying to flee the vehicles were slugged. Army later claims entire crew was killed. THEN the army opened up with bullets.

12. The Geopolitics Behind the Tiananmen Square Incident - The Geopolitics

https://thegeopolitics.com/the-geopolitics-behind-the-tiananmen-square-incident/

13. NY Times article (1989) questioning the validity of a news report in Hong Kong

https://web.archive.org/web/20210303122347/https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html

There is also no evidence of machine-gun emplacements on the roof of the history museum that were reported in the Wen Wei Po article. This reporter was directly north of the museum and saw no machine guns there. Other reporters and witnesses in the vicinity also failed to see them.

14. Former Indian Foreign Secretary at Tiananmen, Vijay Gokhale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycrOIrORKvw

(13:18 mark) first time he realized that foreign media was not free

15. CBS News - There Was No "Tiananmen Square Massacre"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

16. CS Monitor - New story emerges of an infamous massacre

https://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0603/p01s04-woap.html

What actually did happen June 3 - 4 is still often confused with myth and misreporting.

17. Robin Munro (works for CIA-front: Human Rights Watch) 1990 article, Who Died in Beijing and Why

https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/china_law_prof_blog/files/munro_who_died_in_beijing_and_why.pdf

From Munro's wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Munro

There was no massacre in Tiananmen Square.. But on the western approach roads... there was a blood bath that claimed hundreds of lives. To insist on this distinction is not splitting hairs. What took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents--precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.

18. Video footage of the workers inciting violence during the Tiananmen event from Chinese media, censored by Youtube:

Censored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMXV1smwR0

Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20200604205421/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMXV1smwR0

So we at least know version 1, which the entire world believes, is a lie and have video footage and testimonies of version 3 being partially true. Info on the US/CIA/Skull and Bones/George Soros coup attempt will be posted in another thread.

PART 1 - Global MSM and politicians lie about the Chinese threatening Canadians in HK: https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/9wz4/1000_lies_against_china_threatening_canadian/

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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I clicked just one of the links you have in that list

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

Here's what it says

But there's no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing

My friend the source you cite as authoritative has no question about the fact of a massacre around the square...

In order to hold onto the $5,000 you will need to geofence a shape inside which you believe there were zero deaths. Then if anyone finds a death outside of your shape, you can point to the geofence as why you aren't paying the 5k. If I were you, I would basically start with a box around the tanks and army dudes in the square, that way no deaths are probable within your box

[–]Insider[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you clearly didn't read the post or are purposely giving a strawman argument

Version 2 and 3 still says there were riots and deaths. Chang'An Avenue is on the outskirts of Tiananmen. MSM tends to portray the event as either Versions 1 or 2. I've clearly debunked Version 1.

Version 2 is the sentiment that the CCP sent in tanks to purposely massacre worker protesters (not students) on Chang'An Avenue. Except evidence shows that the workers were the ones who initiated violence and came prepared with Molotov cocktails (a CIA signature).

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Someone is the CCP's little whore.

[–]Insider[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Facts don't care about your feelings. Like I said, $5000.

Interesting that you can't disprove it and need to rely on astroturf tactics like insults and character assassination.