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[–]BISH 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

It has nothing to do with Zika.

They began adding a pesticide called pyriproxyfen to the water supply in Brazil.

https://necsi.edu/the-case-for-pyriproxyfen-as-a-potential-cause-of-microcephaly-from-biology-to-epidemiology

Zika was another fake pandemic.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It has nothing to do with Zika.

That's the case the author was making as well

They began adding a pesticide called pyriproxyfen to the water supply in Brazil

Aha. Now that does seem like the most plausible explanation, and the author didn't seem to make that connection. Thanks for the info

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aha. Now that does seem like the most plausible explanation, and the author didn't seem to make that connection. Thanks for the info

On the other hand the city with the most microcephaly was Recife, where they didn't use pyriproxyfen but instead used bti, a bacteria.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fika virus

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I'm guessing not. Pyriproxyfen is recommended for use in drinking water by the WHO, but microcephaly was restricted mostly to Brazil, and within Brazil, mostly to Bahia.

https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/expert-reaction-is-a-pesticide,-not-zika-virus,-causing-microcephaly

But it is true that it might not be Zika.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11033-020-05349-y

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It's certainly not the fake Zika pandemic.

And it's very interesting that you pointed out that the WHO is pushing for this pesticide to be added to the drinking water.

Anyone who trusts the WHO in 2022 is a volunteering candidate for the Darwin award.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

It's certainly not the fake Zika pandemic.

I admire your confidence. But they may well be related, with the noise from different standards of diagnosing microcephaly.

And it's very interesting that you pointed out that the WHO is pushing for this pesticide to be added to the drinking water.

The point being that a metric shitload of water supplies have this pesticide.

Anyone who trusts the WHO in 2022 is a volunteering candidate for the Darwin award.

FFS.

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The point being that a metric shitload of water supplies have this pesticide.

Source?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You want the link to the WHO recommendation?

Or you don't believe that more than one region of one country follows the WHO recommendations?

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

You want the link to the WHO recommendation?

No. Find a link to a country that currently adds this to their drinking water without uses.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Water treatment is generally a local government thing.

It's one of 7 insecticides that the WHO recommends as allowable in drinking water. There will be a metric fuckton of towns and cities around Africa, South America and South East Asia where there is a malaria or dengue (or Zika) problem.

I don't have a list of which cities use which one.

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The point being that a metric shitload of water supplies have this pesticide.

So you're just making things up.

Par for the course.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

That will be true. The pesticides recommended by the WHO will be the ones used. And there will be fucktons of instances.

[–]SoCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Moderna made some Zika vaccines with a few hundred more million in taxpayer money. They didn't really work so well, so they didn't get much attention. They got some rural town to say they helped and then swept it under the rug. They didn't have mRNA yet.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is some research into Zika vaccines with government sponsors. But I can't find any data showing that the moderna one had a government partner.

I don't suppose you could point me to your source on that?

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been awhile and what I said was based on memory, and reddit went into censorship mode, removing most of my history I normally referred back too. The whole (Internet) history of vaccines has been rewritten with a corporate marketing hand recently, making things especially tough to find anymore....but

There was a mad rush to make Zika vaccines, with some help from big money and cutting approval corners through the USD Fast Track program. One of the first that went into trials from the US was GLS-5700 by Inovio Pharm (partnered with South Korean company GeneOne Life Science), a somewhat DNA based vaccines. There was also a gold rush of similar world wide pharms looking to experiment with emerging DNA based vaccines in Zika-land, not just US based Bethesda, but also Bharat Biotech from India and more.

I'm no longer finding much about the vaccine I recalled, by Moderna, which was not DNA/RNA based and was deployed in the areas of recently acclaimed Zika outbreak, with not so wowing results. Yet, this should have been more around 2017/2018.... but all I see now is a flood of PR about Moderna's 2019 mRNA-1893 zika vaccine, and possibly this was an earlier one mRNA-3704, both, as their names imply, mRNA vaccines of the same Covid caliber. From the best I can tell, the mRNA-1893 was approved for USDA fast track in early 2019 and got started with phase 1 clinical trials right away.

Moderna was deep with government partnership and attached to their financial teet....not that that is necessarily a bad thing. They even had taken 100's of millions of taxpayer money to develop a swine flu mRNA vaccine, but they never got it completed. This is part of what lead to the NIH lawsuit trying to take patent rights and profits away from Moderna with those lawsuits, as they worked closely with government scientists trying to perfect the mRNA technique doing that, then went solo whipping up the Covid vaccine. These lawsuits help preserve that history.

If you are interested in digging more, hopefully what I provide gives a good starting point.