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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Depends how you mean left? Socially left? Economically left?

If by the economic metric, plenty, especially outside of America. The initial attraction of socialism and similar leftist ideologies for its actual target demographic, workers, was always to alleviate their suffering, improving their living standards and end their exploitation by capitalists. A noble goal, even if they disagree with socialism I'm sure most here sympathise with those goals. Those who are members of trade unions (I'm not referring to the mostly corrupt class of trade union bosses here but the actual workers) are just people who want to get by and ensure their safety and income are secure in their work. Even plenty of the radicals in the "Old Left"-style parties, who care more for class struggle, are like this.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Can't speak for the population at large but as a leftist, more so center Libertarian, I can say I understand the validity of your points and your drive to be in a society of only your own people. I'd agree enough to fight for it too, if this was still the 18th century. The world has already become too global.

To me, it's a noble cause to help the rest of humanity by sorting out what issues arise from multiculturalism and fixing them. Whether it be policies or at the very worst some miscegenation necessary similar to what happen in the US, where the average African-American is about 20% white and the majority assimilated. My perspective may be somewhat bias because in University I'm around the smarter minorities, where all the races get along just fine.

Concerns about the white race being erased and everyone becoming mixed doesn't persuade me. People have the freedom to marry who they choose and there is no doubt many like those in this community will only stick with other whites. Pure races will still exist. Ethnostates for all individual races should exist, and so should multicultural societies. Current multicultural societies shouldn't be forced to change though.

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    [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Current multicultural societies are full of people who hate each other

    Sure, but as I said most aren't hating each other. See how many whites are participating in BLM protests, for one.

    It doesn't happen as much as the media would have you believe especially between blacks and whites.

    I don't watch the media. It's from a study.

    Ancestry in 23andMe African Americans Unlike previous estimates of the mean proportion of African ancestry, which typically have ranged from 77% to 93% African ancestry,2–4,48–62 our estimates, depending on exclusions, are 73% or 75%.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

    [–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How old are you? You sound a lot like me at 16, not yet having grasped that this doesn't work. "More freedom" sounds nice and everything, but the truth is that it's not what people want and it never works.

    People have the freedom to marry who they choose and there is no doubt many like those in this community will only stick with other whites.

    So no, this is wrong. Race mixing is objectively wrong because it's antiwhite.

    And the rest of your post is antiwhite defeatism.

    [–]MostBasedRedditor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe Jimmy Dore? Been a while since i listened to him. Young Turks for their credit use to actually go against media narratives to stay on leftist values but I'm sure those days are long gone.

    Alt right in general is home to what would become most of the dedicated Socialists/Marxists like Eric Striker for example. All that is left of leftists now are shit libs

    [–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    A decent amount of leftists become leftists because they have been taught, since birth, to hate us and our ideas and never even think in passing about their validity. It's like being surprised at a bear rifling through your garbage instead of knocking on your door and asking for leftovers.

    Most leftists genuinely believe they are doing the right thing, and many have ideas that would, in part, line up with ours (at least in a general sense) but have been perverted by globalism and Jewish (or rather Satanic propaganda) to make them harmful and non-viable. Many leftists simply aren't informed and refuse to be taught, and focus on the wrong things with the right ideas. If you separate the ideas of Mussolini or Hitler or other Third Positionist thinkers from their words and boil them down to their core, many of the core beliefs they hold are similar or identical to those of most reasonable leftists, however the latter lacks certain ideas and elements in their beliefs that the former thinkers had.

    [–]antireddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There may be some dissident leftists that are sincere. In terms of media figures Glen Greenwald and Jimmy Dore come to mind. They are left wing outcasts that are largely shunned by the MSM though, although certainly not demonized or deplatformed the way the dissident right is. In terms of mainstream leftists no, they are almost all frauds, and in terms of "woke" leftists, IE leftists that focus on shit like BLM or immigration, they are all frauds, at least the white ones.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But are some leftists genuine people who sincerely wish to see a more equitable, inclusive society, for example?

    Not leftists, these are liberals. Anarchists are liberals. Real leftists are CLASS WARRIORS, they do exist but they're very rare and called 'class reductionists' by the liberals who've destroyed their revolutionary potential.

    [–]Mr_Tee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Krystal Ball, Jimmy Dore and people from r/stupidpol. They seem to be good...

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can't have a sincere leftist because liberalism is an insincere ideology.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I can't believe you really think most of society is pretending not to be racist just to spite you lol

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What do you mean by pretending just to spite him?

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ask OP

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    They are indeed spiteful people, but spite can be expressed in many ways. A more accurate version is, they are spiteful people who wish to assert a morality over society that harms people like me. A new hierarchy that favors people like themselves.

    And as we know, “not being racist” isn’t a criteria for anything these days. You must, to hear the left tell it, be ANTI-racist. And we all know the insane policies that are associated with that movement.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you not realize the irony of playing the victim card as an excuse to persecute other people? Do you consider it a violation of other people's rights that you are allowed to live in America and have the same constututional rights as everybody else?

    And as we know, “not being racist” isn’t a criteria for anything these days.

    No lol, I don't know that. I see a great deal of difference between societal perception of a racist and a non-racist.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't feel I'm playing the victim at all. It's just the reality of what I see happening.

    The left has been redefining racism constantly. Seems silly to not acknowledge that. Might as well just give up talking to you if this is how you're going to engage.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't feel I'm playing the victim at all. It's just the reality of what I see happening.

    Good, because you aren't entitled to special treatment.

    The left has been redefining racism constantly.

    No, the alt right has been attempting to redefine racism, but it means the same thing it always has. Bigotry against a racial or ethnic group.

    [–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But are some leftists genuine people who sincerely wish to see a more equitable, inclusive society, for example?

    No.

    Edit: This is a real common myth among conservatives in particular. "The left doesn't understand that their goals are actually counterproductive if they want fairness and justice!" Right. They don't care. The ones that are consistent quickly become weird fringe mavericks who are mostly known for getting into spats with leftists.