I can't believe leftists STILL deny that Antifa exists

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I've found this line of reasoning so stupid that I can barely bring myself to listen to their arguments.

For obvious reasons, Antifa can't exist as a formal organization, but they still operate and strategize as a group, organize online, and have dozens of registered far left groups supporting them (and are probably secretly involved with them).

Not that we try to help our opponents argument here, but is there something I'm missing? How can anyone genuinely believe this?

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They don't believe it and when someone said that antifa isn't an organization in r/Denmark I found it very efficient to just straight up ask them to denounce communism and antifa.

You know they are being dishonest, so when that happens you just need to convince everyone else that they are dishonest.

I would just preface it with something like "Ok, but just so I don't get the wrong impression that you're just defending them because you support them, could you just denounce communism and antifa so we get that out of the way?" or something to that effect.
When they then dodged which they ALWAYS do, then their reply would get massively downvoted. Please note that r/Denmark is far left leaning too.

tl;dr: they don't believe it and ask them to say that antifa is bad

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can anyone genuinely believe this?

They don't. Why in the world do you think they do?

Leftists lie. They shamelessly lie, especially about what they believe, because they have figured out that most people make accommodations for sincere beliefs no matter how crazy they are.

It's why leftists constantly scream about how they "don't feel safe". Because they know that if they really seem to "not feel safe", then many people will try to accommodate them. And if the only thing that makes them "feel safe" is giving them whatever they want - banning a speaker, censoring ideas or criticism - oh well, it must be done.

It's why you can find them in blatant contradictions, correct them, and they go on repeating the same contradictory views.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't believe leftists STILL deny that Antifa exists

Nor should you?

Can we do away with this boomer mentality of, "It'S aLL a BiG MisUnDERsTanDing!! :)"?

The counterclaim that they are not organized because, "look at their name, they're all just anti-Hitler!" is so beyond ridiculous that I'm stunned when people keep listening- you see obvious contradictions in any "title" of an organization be it DPRK, USSR, etc. and a drooling quasi-vegetable can tell you it's not related to their hierarchies. The second someone defends their argument with shit like this, you should dismiss them completely. They're not rational and they're not "misunderstood" and you are not going to get anywhere by arguing with them.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're basically a bunch of communist sleeper cells/lone wolf groups.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Training videos of them showing how to do violence to "Nazis".

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Good. I hope conservatives get beaten to shit so they finally wake up and fight back. This is literally how the SA was formed.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is literally how the SA was formed.

I know, but very few people do. Normies are told on (((TV))) the SA were just mindless thugs that hated Jews et al.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Normies have no idea what the SA was.

[–]VarangianRasputin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They deny it because it's convenient.

[–]Invicta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When leftists do this in online conversations, they are trolling you. Just ignore it.

When certain congressmen like Nadler, and media organizations do it, they're showing partisan loyalty.