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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for posting. First, if you want to stamp out "racism" or "tribalism," you should probably start with the groups are the most ethnocentric. White people are the least racist of all groups and white liberals even show negative ethnocentrism. If white people are supposed to "not be racist", then you need to convince all other groups to not be racist/tribalistic too - otherwise, whites would just be taken advantage of by other groups who don't subscribe to the "individualism" of white people. In other words, not being tribalistic/racist is a prisoners dilemma that white people are currently losing because they are being chumps and allowing themselves to be abused by nonwhite tribalism. Islam and BLM are examples of this. Nonwhites also overwhleming vote for democrats[1][2] who impose anti-white policies, more immigration, and give them special priveleges - e.g., affirmative action and welfare.

When you can convince sufficient numbers of blacks, hispanics and other groups to give up thier racial identities, not vote democrat en masse (A task libertarians and the GOP have tried and failed at for at least 60 years), vote to end welfare and antiwhite discrimination (no easy task, given their low IQs) and for Jews to dissolve their ethnostate, Israel, then maybe we would be amenable to "not being racist." Until then however, your proposal is a bad deal and we reject it because we have to continue to defend white people from being abused by other groups like we are today.

Tribalism is an inferior human condition that only leads to chaos and misery.

Tribalism is simply a group evolutionary strategy that evolved because negative and positive ethnocentrism are what worked for passing on genes. If whites were "racist" but there were no nonwhites in their countries, then would be no chaos or misery from racism. By contrast, inviting low-IQ, highly tribalistic religious fundamentalists (like Muslims) into white countries to satisfy some lofty "universal morality" has objectively caused choas and misery.

If you are a racialist and a tribalist, you are rejecting the universal morality (for example, Christian morality) that allowed humans to flourish in favour of a system of thought that is inferior and primitive

A lot of problems I see with this. First, the same people who came up with these enlightenment ideas and were christians were also racists who owned slaves - e.g., our founding fathers. So this supposed "christian morality" or "universal morality" they allegedly held was apparently not a serious contradiction for most of these people. There is also nothing "primitive" about acknowledging racial differences in psychological and other traits. Ignoring them however would be unscientific (and primitive). Segregation in the US wasn't ended until the mid 1960s - so the vast majority of European success occured under a "racist" worldview - an apparent rejection of what you call "universal morality"

The civilizations that were on the winning side of history had all gotten over old blood rivalries

This is obviously not true - e.g. Romans and Carthaginians, Romans and Jews, British Empire was very racist. All of these groups dominated other ethnic groups and were often very racist about it. Jews now are sort of an international ruling class - and they are very tribalistic and successful. Also civilizations are only on the "winning side of history" for so long. If anything, I would argue a loss of tribalism and maladaptive ideas like anti-racism and "universal morality" seem to cause decline (e.g. US, British Empire).

in favour of the advancement of ideas and the pursuit of universal truth.

Ironic that you make appeals to religion and "universal morality" but then want to talk about "universal truth." If you're interested in "truth" why don't you look into things like race and IQ, or race and crime?

Slavery is the founding sin of the New World

Slavery has been around since the dawn of humanity and has been practiced by almost all cultures and races at some point or another

and the scars that it left on us are now being exploited by the international revolutionary movement in order to topple what is left of traditional western civilization.

I agree our problems seemed to largely be caused by multiracialism (partially a legacy of slavery) and the ethnocentrism of nonwhites. When you can convince these people to stop being so vindictive and exploitive of whites, then maybe we would have an interest in listening to you and not being racist

Nazis were obliterated because they were absolutely repulsive to the civilized, christian world

Ignoring your various presuppositions on what Nazis thought about race, the Nazis lost because they were outmanned and outgunned and made enough tactical mistakes to lose. There is no reason to ascribe a military defeat to lofty ideological flaws. It is also a great con that people today think the Allies were very repulsed by the Nazis on an ideological level. Both sides were "racist," but disagreed on the particulars and with Nazi totalitarianism. Britain still had almost all its colonies, the US was segregated (including the military), and Nazi eugenics programs were inspired by American ones. The Allies had way more in common ideologically with the Nazis than they did with people like you today. Most probably would never have gone to war with the Nazis if they knew what would happen to their countries would become. For instance - a 1943 survey indicated 90% of US whites would have rather lost the war to Hitler than end segregation.. Even people like Winston Chruchill held what people would call "anti-semitic" views. So, the idea that the Nazis were "absolutely repulsive" to the Allies or that the Allies were super anti-racist are both obviously false. The beaches of Normandy weren't stormed by people who wanted transgender bathrooms or a Black president.

[–]Jacinda 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have the makings of a great essay here that deserves wider circulation. With a little polishing Amren or Counter Currents would probably publish it

Thanks

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

White people are the least racist of all groups and white liberals even show negative ethnocentrism.

If white people are supposed to "not be racist", then you need to convince all other groups to not be racist/tribalistic too - otherwise, whites would just be taken advantage of by other groups who don't subscribe to the "individualism" of white people. In other words, not being tribalistic/racist is a prisoners dilemma that white people are currently losing because they are being chumps and allowing themselves to be abused by nonwhite tribalism.

What's the ethnocentrism like among the high IQ?

It is commonly hypothesized that higher cognitive abilities promote racial tolerance and a greater commitment to racial equality, but an alternative theoretical framework contends that higher cognitive abilities merely enable members of a dominant racial group to articulate a more refined legitimizing ideology for racial inequality.

Several studies document strong negative associations between “general intelligence” (i.e., a weighted average of scores from several batteries of cognitive ability tests) and a composite measure of racial prejudice based on scaled responses to statements about personal comfort with being around other races (Deary et al. 2008; Hodson and Busseri 2012).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845100/

I believe this ethnocentrism happens far less in universities. It might just be that ethnocentrism breeds more ethnocentrism in a modern society, and most people in universities are liberal. So a solution to this dilemma is just sending the low IQ minorities elsewhere, utilize efficient screening for immigrants and not having a race focus necessarily.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Seems to have worked for every single civilization that has ever existed on the face of the Earth quite well. Name one that wasn't ethnocentric or downright chauvanistic?

Also pursuit of 'universal truth' and ethnocentrism are not mutually exclusive. You sound like someone who just read 'Babies First Book About Human History' and regurgitated its ideas.

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not talking about chauvinism on a general sense, but about explicit racialism and ethnocentrism. Rome was very far from being these things, it was culturally chauvinistic yes, but definitely not an ethnically based society.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not talking about chauvinism on a general sense, but about explicit racialism and ethnocentrism. Rome was very far from being these things,

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard today. Well done.

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Care to explain?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do I have to explain simple facts to you? Read some bloody Tacitus. Man had explicit and repeated things to say -- positive and negative -- about the innate qualites of different ancestral peoples. Roman cultural chauvanism for him was merely the logical extension of Roman ethnocentrism.

Also was no fan of the Jews and his description of their qualities states that they're racial. I don't know what fantasy books you've been reading but in no way were the Romans unaware of the different qualities certain groups posess.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

RACE was NEVER a guiding principle of western civilization

Europe was ethnically pure up until recently.

Nazis were obliterated because they were absolutely repulsive to the civilized

hahahahha, they were repulsed because jews had already control over the Uk, the US and the soviet union and decided to destroy those who could take power away from them.

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Europe was never ethnically pure, it was always ethnically chaotic and modern european countries are a result of the ammalgamation of different ethnic groups.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Which are all white europeans, they are very close genetically between each other.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It was racially pure.

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Before 19th century cientificism the concept of race barely existed at all.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So did the concept of atom or bacteria. That doesn't mean they weren't real.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

10,000's of ideas that are now known to be accurate were not known or described before the 19th century. That does not invalidate them.

This is denialism for retards and you're just doing a bad E. Michael Jones impression.

I'm Catholic and love the man but don't enjoy this. It's embarrassing.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Race absolutely was a concept pre 19th century.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But they didn't call it that so it didn't exist!! Also, now that we've changed our collective minds since those ugly days when it did exist, it doesn't exist anymore either!

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How’s it going? I’m curious if your history teacher ever showed you things like this. Mine didn’t.

https://historythings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/usconstitution2.png

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Study: The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation

http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

In models, tribalism or rather ethnocentrism is the most effective survival strategy for various groups of people. Egalitarianism is quickly subverted by those practicing ethnocentric survival strategies and we've already seen this happen in real life with Jews in Western nations. There's a reason they push egalitarianism on everyone else while remaining the most ethnocentric group on the planet, it allows them complete dominance and parasitism.

[–]shecknoggle 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

america is the most diverse and it's going into chaos and misery lol

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The chaos and misery is a result of spiritual degradation and moral collapse, and not of racial differences among the population. White americans have become extremely degenerate, more so than the hispanic immigrants you view as a threat.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and not of racial differences

You are clearly denying reality here, america is collapsing because every racial group wants to take down whites and whites are not even aware of it.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you are a racialist and a tribalist, you are rejecting the universal morality

Yes, I reject your bourgeois values.

Christian morality

You mean slave morality?

allowed humans to flourish in favour of a system of thought that is inferior and primitive.

The master morality of ancient Greece and Rome was far superior.

No succesful civilization was ever tribal.

We're not tribalists. We're racialists.

pan-european greco-roman christian culture

Just leave out the Christcuck nonsense and you're describing what I want. And guess what, pan-European means no non-Europeans.

RACE was NEVER a guiding principle of western civilization,

Bullshit. Before 1945 Europe never imported nonwhites en masse.

What made the West great was its embrace of universalism, christian morality and also the incorporation and tolerance of certain elements produced by other civilizations.

No, that's what's destroying the West!

Slavery is the founding sin of the New World and the scars that it left on us are now being exploited by the international revolutionary movement in order to topple what is left of traditional western civilization.

No mention of Jewish subversion? No? Then you have no idea what's actually going on.

Nazism was similarly a revolutionary movement that was the result of centuries of irrationalism and romanticism, as well of the imperfect and incomplete christianization of the German people, and seeked to overthrow traditional Europe in favour of a new "perfect" society based on the concept of race.

Partly true, but they were right about almost everything. Their revolution was the way forward for Europe. Their defeat was the greatest disaster we've ever experienced.

Nazis were obliterated because they were absolutely repulsive to the civilized, christian world

You mean the Jewish lobbies and banking system?

and plunged Germany into a dark age.

Is that what you call shooting rockets into space? A dark age? Seriously? The dark age is now.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You mean the Jewish lobbies and banking system?

Did the Jews make Japan declare on the US?

[–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Beware ww2 Discussion is dangerous territory

[–]Zoomer1212[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who should anyone view society in terms of master vs slave? Slavery is anti-christian by definition. Nobody has the right to feel so superior to others to the point of enslaving them.

Regarding Jews, they ARE an ethnocentric group. If you think their influence is nefarious you shouldn't be seeking to emulate them. Jewish ethnocentrism is exactly what leads to the problems you love to complain about. Judaism is a pre-christian religion and is stuck in a more primitive form of morality, just like the germanic pagans were.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nobody has the right to feel so superior to others to the point of enslaving them.

You clearly came here without understanding what we want, we do not to enslave anybody, we simply want non whites out of our countries.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now go read The Selfish Gene and get back to me.

The future will be inhabited by ethnocentric tribes, period. Every other group will have it's lunch eaten, i.e. go extinct.

[–]Nombre27 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok zoomer.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews seem to be doing quite well with tribalism haven't they, shlomo?

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    [–]antireddit 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    He probably lives in Israel.

    [–]Zoomer1212[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    That's what I'm talking about, the fact that this is even a discussion shows us how rotten our society is. The fact that black americans are increasingly ethnocentric and hostile is a threat to our society. Their existence is not. This ethnocentrism must be fought with christian universalism and morality. Normal people just want to live their lives and raise families and under normal circumnstances (absent revolutionary and ideological indoctrination) would not hate their brethren based on physical characteristics.

    [–]arainynightinskyrim 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Ethnocentrism is the natural state of humanity and the only group that does not understand it are whites.

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      [–]Minedwe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Complete bullshit. What's with all the leftist propaganda and demoralization posts here lately?

      It's also clear to me that you have never actually read or studied the Bible. Maybe the Talmud, though.

      [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      What's with all the leftist propaganda and demoralization posts here lately?

      I'm not sure if people realize but clicking "fun" on a post puts it to the top.

      [–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It does? I thought it was the equivalent of a downvote or ridicule-type thing, or at least functioned that way de facto. Thanks for the info.

      [–]insta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      "Fun" is just saidit's downvote button. Saidit was wrong to not include a downvote button.

      [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Just letting people know it still puts posts first when searching by "top" so I think the designer intended for it to be another upvote.

      [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I have a handful of questions for you.

      If you are a racialist and a tribalist, you are rejecting the universal morality (for example, Christian morality)

      Can you explain how? I struggle to see the contradiction.

      The civilizations that were on the winning side of history had all gotten over old blood rivalries in favour of the advancement of ideas and the pursuit of universal truth.

      Are racialism and tribalism also not ideas that people arrive at through reasoning? Do you define those terms exclusively as ethnic grudges and nothing else? Is that the definition that proponents of those ideas use? Moreover, aren't you appealing to strength rather than to truth with your phrasing here?

      No succesful civilization was ever tribal. The ethnocentric barbarian tribes were all eventually assimilated into pan-european greco-roman christian culture, and this assimilation is what made the development of the modern west possible.

      Do you know what "barbarian" means? Do you know where that word comes from and what significance it carried for the societies that used it? How do you reconcile that with your opinions about tribalism? I also find your claims that all barbarians were "assimilated" into a unitary culture or religion completely farcical - if that was so, why do the Germans today call themselves German rather than Roman? You could certainly make the argument that cooperation between the Romans and the barbarians was beneficial for European development, but that's hardly a result of "assimilation".

      There are a lot more questions that could be asked about the rest of your post if we prioritise thoroughness.

      [–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If you are a racialist and a tribalist, you are rejecting the universal morality (for example, Christian morality) that allowed humans to flourish in favour of a system of thought that is inferior and primitive.

      Is Christian morality supposed to forbid you to defend your home against invaders?

      [–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You undermine your own point in the first paragraph:

      If you are a racialist and a tribalist, you are rejecting the universal morality (for example, Christian morality) that allowed humans to flourish in favour of a system of thought that is inferior and primitive.

      I agree, it is better to have a moral framework that enables large-scale cooperation.

      The civilizations that were on the winning side of history had all gotten over old blood rivalries in favour of the advancement of ideas and the pursuit of universal truth.

      So now the civilizations that made this leap (which might have its roots in biology) should take in the members of those who didn't? I guess you're going to tell us we should take in not just Middle-Easterners in general, but specifically Sunni and Shia Muslims and make them live together in our countries. What could possibly go wrong?

      [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Christians have no answers to declining religiosity. You and Ben Shapiro can scream at the top of your lungs about going to church but there's no real path forward for you.

      I'd respect your position more if you went just full theocracy and converted people by force. At least that would be a plan forward. As it stands now you're simply asking the rapist nicely to stop raping you.