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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

imagine still doing gay christian vs pagan larping in the year of our lord 2020. i would call you extremely online but nobody even does this anymore, you're extremely online but somehow indulging in long-dead jewish d&c memes... cmon bruh

[–]Minedwe[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I posted this because there are still fags around who spread the gay "Muh dead Jew" shit and I wanted to post this to counteract that and similar garbage.

I also haven't written an overly wordy multi-paragraph in a while, and I didn't have much better to do.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Pretty much every nationalist movement in the 20th century was explicitly Christian or if they were secular they were neutral or pro-Christian. There weren't any that were anti-Christian, espousing atheism, a new age religion, a return to paganism etc:

    Explicitly Christian

    Austrian Fatherland Front - I don't consider this to be fascist, rather corporatist/reactionary like Salazar's Estado Novo Portugal but I'll include it anyway.

    Belgian Rexists

    Croatian Ustase - also pro-Islam for Bosniaks, many don't count them but I don't know much about them so I don't know whether they were actually fascist or not.

    Hungarian Arrow Cross

    Polish National Radical Camp

    Portuguese National Syndicalists

    Romanian Legionaries

    Slovak People's Party

    Spanish Falange

    Yugoslav National Movement

    Secular but neutral or pro-Christian

    Italian Fascism

    German National Socialism

    British Fascism

    Unsure

    French Popular Party - they attracted Christian members but I can't speak French so it's difficult to find out the general attitude. Assumedly they were secular and neutral or pro-Christian.

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      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm sure someone more familiar with theology than me could come up with something. I assume it would be similar to the line of thought that had Dante putting Brutus and Cassius in the inner circle of hell with only Judas as company for betraying Rome.

      One could argue that the racialist state is divinely willed in the same way that Rome and other states and empires have been viewed historically. The state is divine, the state is racialist, therefore racialism is god's will; something like this I guess. I mean beyond that you could simply say god created the separate races for a reason and the less godly we have become the more our race has suffered and become mixed, this could be seen as evidence that race is tied to god.

      I'm not a christian and I don't know anything about theology or how a racialist christian understands it though, this just seems like the obvious ways of thinking about it to me.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      There weren't any that were anti-Christian, espousing atheism, a new age religion, a return to paganism etc:

      Didn't NS have elements of that with people like Goebbels, Himmler, and Rosenberg?

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I mean in terms of official policy, the official line of NS was secularism and they promoted Positive Christianity. NSDAP was definitely the least pro-Christian of them all though.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I wonder had they won the war would Positive Christianity or revival of ancestral faiths win out.

      [–]Minedwe[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      It doesn't need to be derived from it. But even so, it is easy to build one: Christianity's main goal is to end suffering on Earth as much as possible and save as many people as possible. It has been proven that separation into ethnostates and homogenous societies is best many times throughout history. Therefore, if every race has their own ethnostate, violence as a whole in the world would undoubtedly drop in most scenarios, and the Jewish-endorsed murder and crime that exists in many nations would be rendered extinct.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      This is nonsensical idea. An ethnostate for everyone is a liberal fantasy. Groups compete for limited resources. The strong take over the resources of the weak and increase their reproductive fortunes. It is ridiculous to expect that a country with exploding population will keep its ethnics in its territory. Common sense and masculinity dictates that they expand into other countries. Every nation in history has been built this way. Respect muh borders and sovereignty is liberal drivel that works only under an American enforced world order.

      Did Russia grow to the size of a continent by respecting the borders and homogenity of its neighbors? No, it wiped out Kazans, mongols, tatars, sibirs and a hundred other nations. The Aryans were alien to Europe at first. They conquered Europe, cucked the local men and took their women as their own. That's why the majority Y-chromosomal lines in both Eastern and Western Europe are Aryan( R1a and R1b).

      It is the natural right of every nation to fight for their survival and attempt to expand their influence. Jews kicking out inbred Arabs in Palestine is no more immoral than Englishmen conquering lands from red Indians. This concept of a home for everyone only makes sense in a world where there is a superpower already maintaining a world order.

      The US navy guards the sea lanes, facilitating world trade, the US military upholds the international order and prevents countries from invading and expanding into each other, and its military and economic might allows a liberal world where genocides and ethnic cleansings are relatively rare. However, the price is that in exchange for having your little hovel sized countries, you are forced to obey the globohom diktats of Washington DC.

      This world is falling apart in front of our eyes. As American power wanes, the future of micro states grow grim. Azerbaijan just took a bunch of land from Armenia. Russia took crimea from Ukraine and is en route to annexing Belarus. Turkey is annexing parts of northern Syria. A world of ethnostates for everyone is utterly impractical without a global hegemon to enforce it.

      If America vanished tomorrow, there would be nothing to stop Russia from simply taking over Ukraine, Belarus and the balts. There would be nothing to stop Turkey from taking over Greece. There would be nothing to stop Iran from taking over Iraq and Saudi Arabia. An Iran like that could hold the entire world hostage with its oil power.

      Reality is that small nations have to be part of a larger realms in order to have protection. The microstate of Austria can't defend itself, however as part of Germany it can and project power on a global scale. You are a teenager who hasn't thought this through yet

      [–]Minedwe[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This is nonsensical idea. An ethnostate for everyone is a liberal fantasy.

      Liberalism and ethnonationalism are mutually exclusive. The only nonsensical idea is this one.

      Common sense and masculinity dictates that they expand into other countries.

      That's what armies and wars are for.

      Respect muh borders and sovereignty is liberal drivel that works only under an American enforced world order.

      Except that is 100% untrue, mass immigration and leeching are mostly modern inventions. Look at the progression of world borders throughout history. If your idea was true, then we would be a united Earth under one group of people by now. There is a maximum level of expansion. A single government and group can only expand so far before stretching too thin, having a civil war, or other calamity befalling it.

      This world is falling apart in front of our eyes. As American power wanes, the future of micro states grow grim. Azerbaijan just took a bunch of land from Armenia. Russia took crimea from Ukraine and is en route to annexing Belarus. Turkey is annexing parts of northern Syria. A world of ethnostates for everyone is utterly impractical without a global hegemon to enforce it.

      Your definition of "microstate" seems to be VERY extreme. Austria, Armenia, Belarus, etc. are very large tracts of land with millions of people residing in them. And yes, of course their neighbors have historically wanted pieces of them, but this is a consequence of religion and politics: Russia feels Belarus, a historical substate of them, should once more be under their direct governance. Azerbaijanis and T*rks undoubtedly hate Armenians for being practically White and Christian (Jihad, and so forth). Austria has historically been in conflict with Italy and Germany over Church disputes and political squabbles.

      If America vanished tomorrow, there would be nothing to stop Russia from simply taking over Ukraine, Belarus and the balts. There would be nothing to stop Turkey from taking over Greece. There would be nothing to stop Iran from taking over Iraq and Saudi Arabia. An Iran like that could hold the entire world hostage with its oil power.

      Again, I don't see how this is relevant. Yes, of course tehre will always be land disputes. I never said a world full of ethnostates would somehow remove war completely.

      Reality is that small nations have to be part of a larger realms in order to have protection. The microstate of Austria can't defend itself, however as part of Germany it can and project power on a global scale.

      This is wholly untrue. Look at the Austrian and Austro-Hungarian Empires. Being engulfed into Germany in the 1930s obviously helped Austria in some ways but to say it can't survive without that happening is completely false.

      You are a teenager who hasn't thought this through yet

      The first part of your statement is true, but the latter is not. Just becuause you want an excuse to go on a global crusade and wipe out anyone you don't happen to like doesn't mean that I'm somehow wrong for disagreeing with your "ambitious" plans.

      [–]weaselWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The only scriptural arguments I have heard are the fact that the bible uses the term “nations”, and the Tower of Babel myth. It’s literally that weak.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Would you rather live in a 1/2 Black Christian country or a 100% non-Christian all White country?

      Sorry, I edited in "all White", that was my intended question.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      How cucky, degenerate, and Anti white is the 100% non christian country? And how much freedom of association do I have in the 1/2 black christian country?

      [–]weaselWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Freedom of association in a 1/2 black country? Good luck with that! 😂

      [–]Minedwe[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      I wouldn't care either way. If I go to the former, it would be rather easy to support segregation and/or seperation. And for the latter, converting people is the duty of all Christians, so I'd simply go about converting as many people as possible.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      it would be rather easy to support segregation and/or seperation

      One more thing, there are Jews so you can forget segregation and/or seperation and all the anti-degeneracy stuff.

      [–]Minedwe[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Then the latter. Easier to comvert people than to resist Jews alone.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Would you rather live in a 1/2 Black Christian country or a 100% non-Christian all White country?

      Sorry, I edited in "all White", that was my intended question.

      [–]Minedwe[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Then definitely the latter.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      There is a perennial truth, a natural law irrespective of time and place. Just as the laws of physics are universal and ubiquitous, the moral law is eternal. It is built into our conscience, that's why it was said that ignorance of the law is no excuse, because it is engraved onto us. I believe there is a higher being, a comsic mind as envisioned by Plato. We are emanations of his mind.

      My view is that all religions have tried to encapsulate the eternal truth and have faced various degrees of success. Thus the commonality of certain myths like the deceptive servant, giants, dragons, a lucifer/trickster like entity, a satan/death god type entity and a sun god/Jesus/Jupiter type entity. They are recollections of the same metaphysical past.

      Thus there are some similarity of moral guidance as well. Don't steal, don't rape, cheat, kill etc. You can consider them from a biological lens as well. These are evolutionarily adaptive behaviors that are essential to a tribe's proper functioning. Thus you have commonalities like patriarchy, sexual conservatism, homophobia and respect for elders.

      However, that being said, religions are very different as they all haven't encapsulated the full truth or have many additional add ons that are products of the evolutionary history of their tribes. Islam is an extension of Arabic culture, Hinduism is an extension of Indian history and culture. Christianity is an amalgamation of Jewish messianism and Greek philosophy.

      While Christianity encapsulates some basic moral goods like all religions: Patriarchy, respect for elders, honesty, chastity etc, it has many glaring negatives. It is an inherently globalist, multicultural religion. Any person can enter into the Christian brotherhood by sprinkling holy water. Christ does not care for your blood and ancestors, he only cares that you worship the Jewish demon Yaweh.

      Pre-Abrahamic religions were inherently nationalistic. You were born into a tribe and its faith. The faith was the story of your nation and its divine origins. The faith and nation were one, thus faith and blood were one and the same. In Christianity and Islam, blood and faith are separate. Its proto-globalism in which it seeks to meld the world into one by uniting all in a common Christian spiritual brotherhood.

      Christianity is inherently liberal and humanist. The Greeks, Romans or Persians would never have come up with liberalism. The idea that all men have intrinsic value and deserve respect would've been laughable to the, justifiably so as it bears no evidence in nature. Hierarchy and eugenics are natural to them.

      Christianity holds that all men have souls and are thus have intrinsic value. From this one line, all of liberalism and humanism emerged. Humanism is just Christianity without God. From there its a short jump to equality for all, rights for all and so on. The Christian driven by this belief will strive to prevent abortion of down syndrome children, give food to 67 iq niggers in Somalia and balloon their population, and forgive Jews hundreds of times despite catching them red handed.

      Catholics love to talk about based Catholic church putting restrictions on Jews, but they also forget that the church saved Jews from extinction several times. The people is Germany, Poland and other places many times rose up in anger and simply slaughtered the Jews. The Catholic church often swooped in and barred total elimination. The Church itself was a customer of Jewish usury. The Vatican has long been indebted to Rothschild banking.

      Lastly Christianity is anti-Aryan in spirit. It is not of a warrior spirit that seeks to conquer and explore. It instead preaches contentedness, pacifism and meekness. It is people's natural desire to take pride in their history, to conquer, to celebrate strength, beauty and power. Christianity inverted the morality, and made strength, beauty and power things that were something to be ashamed of. You should feel bad for it. It is good to be meek, it good to be weak. The poor man is morality superior to the rich man by virtue of his poverty. Its anti-eugenic.

      I could write rebuttals to the rest of your arguments but this reply is getting way too long

      [–]Minedwe[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They are recollections of the same metaphysical past.

      Many of those things are simply common natural things that can be observed. Nothing metaphysical about snakes being an object of fear, or an abnormally tall person being thought of as something incredibly special and mystical.

      Thus there are some similarity of moral guidance as well. Don't steal, don't rape, cheat, kill etc. You can consider them from a biological lens as well. These are evolutionarily adaptive behaviors that are essential to a tribe's proper functioning. Thus you have commonalities like patriarchy, sexual conservatism, homophobia and respect for elders.

      These are common logic. They are hard wired into us.

      Christianity is an amalgamation of Jewish messianism and Greek philosophy

      Christianity has little in common with Greek philosophy, from my experience with the latter. Especially in regards to homosexuality and the importance of social status and money.

      It is an inherently globalist, multicultural religion.

      This is simply false. I already debunked this in my essay. Respecting people of other races or at least looking at them as humans is not multiculturalism. Treating all humans as extended family is not either. If your 6th cousin came around and demanded you let him fuck your wife and let him eat all your food, you would tell him to fuck off and go back to his immediate family. Same thing with other races: Let kin take care of kin.

      Pre-Abrahamic religions were inherently nationalistic.

      This is becuase ALL humans are inherently nationalistic and tribalistic. This is a survival trait God hard-coded into us.

      Christianity is inherently liberal and humanist.

      Lolno. First of all, look at literally the entire 2000+ years before widespread liberalism became a thing (arguably in the early 1900s). Look at modern liberals and even the first liberals in the late 1700s they were inherently anti-Christian and still are. The Founding Fathers of the US were mostly atheists who only inserted references to an ambigious and undefeined God/higher power as a way to completely prohibit the curtailing of rights (which didn't work anyway). The French revolutionaries literally went about killing clergy and more or less banning religion (read: Christianity) and replacing it with theological liberalism/communism.

      All expressly Christian states I'm aware of have been nationalist and some sort of authoritarianism.

      Christianity holds that all men have souls and are thus have intrinsic value. From this one line, all of liberalism and humanism emerged.

      Not true at all. Saying someone has value does not mean you must go out of your way to serve them as a slave. And I don't know what your problem with humanism is, or your assertion that Christianity is humanist is based on.

      Humanism (from teh definition I know) isn't a bad thing, dedicating yourself to helping your fellow man that you have access to (who until VERY recently usually meant members of your own race). Christianity isn't humanist either, becuase it places lots of importance on the hereafter, and helping people to perservere through mortal challenges and be willing to sacrifice themslves in the defense of others.

      The Christian driven by this belief will strive to prevent abortion of down syndrome children, give food to 67 iq niggers in Somalia and balloon their population, and forgive Jews hundreds of times despite catching them red handed.

      This is completely untrue. First of all, why should we abort children for abnormality? As long as they are not allowed to pass on those genes, then there is no harm. Giving food to them is a product of liberalism. Christianity doesn't say you should kill yourself to provide for leeches who refuse to work. And forgiveness is between person and for God, not for international and racial politics.

      Catholics love to talk about based Catholic church putting restrictions on Jews, but they also forget that the church saved Jews from extinction several times. The people is Germany, Poland and other places many times rose up in anger and simply slaughtered the Jews. The Catholic church often swooped in and barred total elimination. The Church itself was a customer of Jewish usury. The Vatican has long been indebted to Rothschild banking.

      Thats because the Catholic church is inherently wrong, and a jew-controlled organization and has been for many, many years.

      Lastly Christianity is anti-Aryan in spirit. It is not of a warrior spirit that seeks to conquer and explore.

      "MUH ARYANS N SHEEEIT" is such a retard-teir argument I won't even engage in it. There is no such thing as the "Aryan race", Whites are what you refer to, and specifically Nordic Whites.

      Christianity inverted the morality, and made strength, beauty and power things that were something to be ashamed of. You should feel bad for it. It is good to be meek, it good to be weak.

      That isn't true at all. Strength Beauty and power are things to be respected and treated with a level of responsibility. If you are strong, use your strength for good and just purposes, not to greedily oppress or further yourself and the expense of your subordinates or community.

      The poor man is morality superior to the rich man by virtue of his poverty. Its anti-eugenic.

      No, The poor man is morally supeiror sometimes because the power of teh rich man and the methods with which his money was obtained were often underhanded and subversive.

      [–]Minedwe[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Sorry for the second comment, but something I forgot to clarify that I feel is important: As far as worth, your statement is only partially accurate. Yes, all people have a soul and therefore worth, however existential value does not translate to worthiness for certain (or any) rights/privileges, to the government, or a corporation, etc.

      For example, while a man and a woman may be equal in worth, they are NOT equal in ability. While a criminal and law abiding citizen are, once again, equal in worth, they should not necessarily be equal in right or privilege, or worth in terms of ability/trustworthiness to a company or other group.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Give me a biblical reason why you should have laws barring miscegenation, and why you should place an atheist white above a Christian black when it comes to forming a hierarchy of loyalty

      [–]Minedwe[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Firtsly I should state that not all policies and laws must come directly form the Bible. Secondly, on the topic of miscegenation, there are a few quotes from the Bible implying it is negative or even sinful. Even barring these, however, God put different races on Earth (or indirectly allows them to evolve from humans who were scattered across the planet), so wiping one out (with the obvious exception of the Jews) through such naturally adverse means would be illogical and bad for everyone involved.

      As for the question of an athesit White vs a Christian black, I would distrust both naturally. Atheist Whites have a historical tendency to fall to and promote liberalism, race mixing, communism, and democracy. Blacks, obviously have a biological tendency towards crime and lower IQ. Neither are good to associate with too much, however the Black would undoubtedly cause more abrasion with differences of culture, understanding, etc., making him more difficult to work with.

      [–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I once ran into a pagan who was a classical theist, so basically an actual Aristotilean. It was refreshing.

      I wish there were more pagans like that.